LRH (L. Ron Hubbard)

[Padmé]

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)
However, Jimini is NOT LRH, and i get he is not the church either, that this is all about the tech and how to use it to our advantage.

Jiminii has been saying from the start that he is the viewpoint for Metteyya, and so was LRH... and also LRH has been communicating through him but that's a recent thing because a few days ago, nobody knew where he was and he went back to the future where he was created... but is also on another planet... but hey, anything is possible... maybe Jiminii is LRH... he's also been told that before... there has been so much toing and froing... I dont even know if Jiminii knows who he is any longer

Its cool though... he's just not used to communicating with humans...

[Bill Ryan]

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Many thanks, Jim, for all your contributions. Re this...

Posted by jiminii (here)
I came here to deliver the upper levels ,,. I am Sure captain bill was not given them
not with the church taken over .. no way ...

You may not be correct. As best I understand, you haven't yet done CBR's [many!] upper levels.

There's a huge amount there -- all researched between 1984-90, after he left the Church. The material there is radical, very extensive, and operates at the highest levels. The issue of one 'higher self' [potentially, as a matter of ability] controlling a number of human bodies is known and addressed.

[Sidney]

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Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)
However, Jimini is NOT LRH, and i get he is not the church either, that this is all about the tech and how to use it to our advantage.

Quote by Padme
Jiminii has been saying from the start that he is the viewpoint for Metteyya, and so was LRH... and also LRH has been communicating through him but that's a recent thing because a few days ago, nobody knew where he was and he went back to the future where he was created... but is also on another planet... but hey, anything is possible... maybe Jiminii is LRH... he's also been told that before... there has been so much toing and froing... I dont even know if Jiminii knows who he is any longer
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Neither do I. Maybe thats the whole point of all this.. As David Icke says "Remember who you are".....

[Padmé]

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Posted by Padmé (here)

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)
However, Jimini is NOT LRH, and i get he is not the church either, that this is all about the tech and how to use it to our advantage.

Quote by Padme
Jiminii has been saying from the start that he is the viewpoint for Metteyya, and so was LRH... and also LRH has been communicating through him but that's a recent thing because a few days ago, nobody knew where he was and he went back to the future where he was created... but is also on another planet... but hey, anything is possible... maybe Jiminii is LRH... he's also been told that before... there has been so much toing and froing... I dont even know if Jiminii knows who he is any longer
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Neither do I. Maybe thats the whole point of all this.. As David Icke says "Remember who you are".....

I'm not the one making claims here

[Sidney]

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Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)

Posted by Padmé (here)

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)
However, Jimini is NOT LRH, and i get he is not the church either, that this is all about the tech and how to use it to our advantage.

Quote by Padme
Jiminii has been saying from the start that he is the viewpoint for Metteyya, and so was LRH... and also LRH has been communicating through him but that's a recent thing because a few days ago, nobody knew where he was and he went back to the future where he was created... but is also on another planet... but hey, anything is possible... maybe Jiminii is LRH... he's also been told that before... there has been so much toing and froing... I dont even know if Jiminii knows who he is any longer
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Neither do I. Maybe thats the whole point of all this.. As David Icke says "Remember who you are".....

I'm not the one making claims here

I was speaking in general terms for all of us. Not the "you" meaning you personally. its all good.

[Hervé]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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And a question for everyone...

• Would it be helpful if I started my own question-and-answer thread on the subject?

[...]

Yes, definitely!

[jiminii]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Many thanks, Jim, for all your contributions. Re this...

Posted by jiminii (here)
I came here to deliver the upper levels ,,. I am Sure captain bill was not given them
not with the church taken over .. no way ...

You may not be correct. As best I understand, you haven't yet done CBR's [many!] upper levels.

There's a huge amount there -- all researched between 1984-90, after he left the Church. The material there is radical, very extensive, and operates at the highest levels. The issue of one 'higher self' [potentially, as a matter of ability] controlling a number of human bodies is known and addressed.

ok he's probably got them ... that is what I was able to do at FSO ... decide the week before what I was going to do and write LRH and tell him "highest evers cross the boards" and everyone goes in to non stop motion and every stat in every division and every post is highest evers ... never done before.

so all these yawns in the night ... I look up and pictures flash before me and all this charge goes
I didn't get it was him until I got on this website and he let me know .., a real presence and I got the cog

I didn't know what the yawns were .... or the warm pressure to the forehead ... I even protested it sometimes thinking it might be the enemy
now I know it is him

I am on the right track bill

thanks
jim

[Sidney]

Posted by jiminii (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Many thanks, Jim, for all your contributions. Re this...

Posted by jiminii (here)
I came here to deliver the upper levels ,,. I am Sure captain bill was not given them
not with the church taken over .. no way ...

You may not be correct. As best I understand, you haven't yet done CBR's [many!] upper levels.

There's a huge amount there -- all researched between 1984-90, after he left the Church. The material there is radical, very extensive, and operates at the highest levels. The issue of one 'higher self' [potentially, as a matter of ability] controlling a number of human bodies is known and addressed.

ok he's probably got them ... that is what I was able to do at FSO ... decide the week before what I was going to do and write LRH and tell him "highest evers cross the boards" and everyone goes in to non stop motion and every stat in every division and every post is highest evers ... never done before.

so all these yawns in the night ... I look up and pictures flash before me and all this charge goes
I didn't get it was him until I got on this website and he let me know .., a real presence and I got the cog

I didn't know what the yawns were .... or the warm pressure to the forehead ... I even protested it sometimes thinking it might be the enemy
now I know it is him

I am on the right track bill

thanks
jim

Would you mind translating that into language that regular people can understand??? That would be much appreciated, as your jargon is not easily understood. Thank you in advance. : )

[jiminii]

yawning could be a misunderstood word you past they can put you to sleep or charge from some painful incident ,.. maybe bill can give a better description I have heard one time it is blowing charge off death,
now i don't quite know what that means either .. because granting beingness is granting life ,,, allowing the person to be .. not granting beingness would be like making someone wrong which of course records in his mind and adds to the idea that if he is wrong then he feels invalidated and this negativity leads him closer to death
the upper levels are processing levels that will raise your abilities to higher powers ,.. but bill said something that indicated to me that Captain bill did get the upper levels ... I already have the upper levels even before I entered this body some of them are controlling many bodies ... when I decided to raise the statistics which are how we evaluate how someone is doing .. example he sells a lot of books so those statistics are high. and to prove that you probably did something you must say it before it happens .. so i wrote LRH "we will get the highest ever up to this point in time statistics" means if it is gross income it would be the most money the organization has gotten ever... Highest evers cross the boards would be every division and every staff members personal statistic .. and everyone one would go into non stop motion means I was able to control all the bodies and get them to do the postulate i sent to LRH ... and it was never done before at Flag ever ... like 6 million dollars in a week

LRH used to get in communication with me when I lay in bed and would have thoughts I wanted answer and I would look up and the answers would come and I would yawn madly with jaws wide open almost ready to rip apart for 4 or 5 or more seconds ... this time on this website I got his presence so real I almost could feel I could see him ... sometimes I get warm and pressure against the forehead .. and I think he is probing my mind to find something else . today is the first time in years that this started to happen again

get it?
jim

[Bill Ryan]

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Yawning -- not genuine sleepy-yawning, but when it's uncontrollable and really exaggerated, like when you just can't open your mouth wide enough and just can't stop -- is an indicator of a discharge taking place.

What it's all about and why it's happening, you might never know: but it's still a discharge.

[jiminii]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Yawning -- not genuine sleepy-yawning, but when it's uncontrollable and really exaggerated, like when you just can't open your mouth wide enough and just can't stop -- is an indicator of a discharge taking place.

What it's all about and why it's happening, you might never know: but it's still a discharge.

help me clean up these post bill .. you are my stable datum

jim

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Bill Ryan: " And a question for everyone. I know a great deal about Hubbard's techniques, and know how they work. I have had (highly beneficial) personal experience for over 25 years. I know many of the key players in the 'Free Zone' (outside of the 'Church', which I have never been part of). I knew Bill Robertson ('CBR') personally. I am on the Church of Scientology published Enemies List. I received a threatening letter from the 'Church' after my public statement about them in a video interview, basically saying they were [now] a mind control operation. And much more.

• Would it be helpful if I started my own question-and-answer thread on the subject?"

Hi Bill, many thanks for your endless considerations of everyone's feelings towards this specific subject. I can only say how I view it. It sounds like there is an opportunity to learn some new set of skills to help ourselves and better our surroundings which some of us may not be familiar with. Lovely. I doubt that in Avalon there will be many who will refuse to at least give some attention to anyone who declares that they got some tremendous benefits from a certain tried methods. Part of the purpose of the forum is to develop and enrich ourselves with tools and information, after all. You yourself have mentioned a list of other tools - yoga, meditation etc.

The problem may lay in the gathering of these tools related to a name of one person and under an organisation or a group, call it what you want. Many of us here are libertarians (freedom seekers!) who are not attracted to yet another system and method where one needs to be audited, ranked and where the talked about tools are not an open source information available to everyone on a first glance.

If for example, I would like to learn about any technique such as yoga , I may go and purchase a book, a video, I may join a group of practitioners or decide to do it alone, the point is I have the freedom of choice and I can be self taught. I do not need to be 'audited' or be under any 'roof' connected to an organisation or method of work which is handled by someone else in order to do that. I feel I can elaborate on the many things and some of the red flags that pop infront of some of the 'opposers' here, but a point of thought which is rather general and not directed towards anyone in particular is the sharing of personal experiences via a system and via these 'ranks', and having to be assisted with someone 'in the know'. Many of us here are system busters, we don't appreciate all the drama that accompany those heros who found methods of personal and society development, although these people are sure desreve a lot of credit, I think that you yourself know that when the focus is on the person rather than on the tools of imporvement then the essence is somehow lost.

If there is a way for you to share the tools, Bill, in a way that will specify the benifits and method of operation without always connecting it to all the drama surrounding LRH, auditing (whatever it is), and other organisations taking over. In other words, can this material stand on its own? If so, I will be most interested to learn more about it. Many thanks.

[jiminii]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Yawning -- not genuine sleepy-yawning, but when it's uncontrollable and really exaggerated, like when you just can't open your mouth wide enough and just can't stop -- is an indicator of a discharge taking place.

What it's all about and why it's happening, you might never know: but it's still a discharge.

ok I got an idea ... you can go through any of the post here and put in your opinion .. then we can get rid of all the 3rd party stuff
and I will just agree to it ...

the rest is open territory that needs to be explored

jim

[Christine]

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)

Posted by Padmé (here)

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)
However, Jimini is NOT LRH, and i get he is not the church either, that this is all about the tech and how to use it to our advantage.

Posted by Padmé (here)
Jiminii has been saying from the start that he is the viewpoint for Metteyya, and so was LRH... and also LRH has been communicating through him but that's a recent thing because a few days ago, nobody knew where he was and he went back to the future where he was created... but is also on another planet... but hey, anything is possible... maybe Jiminii is LRH... he's also been told that before... there has been so much toing and froing... I dont even know if Jiminii knows who he is any longer

Neither do I. Maybe thats the whole point of all this.. As David Icke says "Remember who you are".....

I'm not the one making claims here

I was speaking in general terms for all of us. Not the "you" meaning you personally. its all good.

I will jump in here with a suggestion which most likely needs a new thread.

So here it is, while jiminii is staying up 24/7 revealing to virtually the whole world who he IS (I am no one who can say he is or isn't what he claims, it is enough for my learning that he believe it), trying his best to get HIS message across. It can be comfortable to sit back and take him and his experiences apart. I have been aware that this usually happens when confronted with something unconfrontable. The claims he makes are outrageous to most, insulting to others and to some they strike a chord.

I chuckle to myself here as I realize that none of the above represent my response, which is best described as a mixture. But what I do perceive is a being who is giving his all to help wake up the slumbering and who has a sincere belief that we can (or already have [taken]) take the planet back, who promotes that we wake up to ourselves, that we actually claim our power and manifest our reality.

It doesn't matter if you believe his story, you have your own story.

As Nelson Mandala so famously said.

“Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.”

The suggestion is that we continue to share deeply of who we are without the necessity of invalidating another. As has Simon Parkes, as has Bill Ryan as have others lets pull out all stops folks.

[Padmé]

Posted by Christine (here)

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)

Posted by Padmé (here)

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)
However, Jimini is NOT LRH, and i get he is not the church either, that this is all about the tech and how to use it to our advantage.

Posted by Padmé (here)
Jiminii has been saying from the start that he is the viewpoint for Metteyya, and so was LRH... and also LRH has been communicating through him but that's a recent thing because a few days ago, nobody knew where he was and he went back to the future where he was created... but is also on another planet... but hey, anything is possible... maybe Jiminii is LRH... he's also been told that before... there has been so much toing and froing... I dont even know if Jiminii knows who he is any longer

Neither do I. Maybe thats the whole point of all this.. As David Icke says "Remember who you are".....

I'm not the one making claims here

I was speaking in general terms for all of us. Not the "you" meaning you personally. its all good.

I will jump in here with a suggestion which most likely needs a new thread.

So here it is, while jiminii is staying up 24/7 revealing to virtually the whole world who he IS (I am no one who can say he is or isn't what he claims, it is enough for my learning that he believe it), trying his best to get HIS message across. It can be comfortable to sit back and take him and his experiences apart. I have been aware that this usually happens when confronted with something unconfrontable. The claims he makes are outrageous to most, insulting to others and to some they strike a chord.

I chuckle to myself here as I realize that none of the above represent my response, which is best described as a mixture. But what I do perceive is a being who is giving his all to help wake up the slumbering and who has a sincere belief that we can (or already have [taken]) take the planet back, who promotes that we wake up to ourselves, that we actually claim our power and manifest our reality.

It doesn't matter if you believe his story, you have your own story.

As Nelson Mandala so famously said.

“Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.”

The suggestion is that we continue to share deeply of who we are without the necessity of invalidating another. As has Simon Parkes, as has Bill Ryan as have others lets pull out all stops folks.

I'm sorry, I didn't know I wasn't allowed to have an opinion... I have been following his posts from day one.... and who he 'is' does seem to change a lot... it's an observation... my observation... is that any less valid?

[jiminii]

Posted by Padmé (here)

Posted by Christine (here)

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)

Posted by Padmé (here)

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)
However, Jimini is NOT LRH, and i get he is not the church either, that this is all about the tech and how to use it to our advantage.

Posted by Padmé (here)
Jiminii has been saying from the start that he is the viewpoint for Metteyya, and so was LRH... and also LRH has been communicating through him but that's a recent thing because a few days ago, nobody knew where he was and he went back to the future where he was created... but is also on another planet... but hey, anything is possible... maybe Jiminii is LRH... he's also been told that before... there has been so much toing and froing... I dont even know if Jiminii knows who he is any longer

Neither do I. Maybe thats the whole point of all this.. As David Icke says "Remember who you are".....

I'm not the one making claims here

I was speaking in general terms for all of us. Not the "you" meaning you personally. its all good.

I will jump in here with a suggestion which most likely needs a new thread.

So here it is, while jiminii is staying up 24/7 revealing to virtually the whole world who he IS (I am no one who can say he is or isn't what he claims, it is enough for my learning that he believe it), trying his best to get HIS message across. It can be comfortable to sit back and take him and his experiences apart. I have been aware that this usually happens when confronted with something unconfrontable. The claims he makes are outrageous to most, insulting to others and to some they strike a chord.

I chuckle to myself here as I realize that none of the above represent my response, which is best described as a mixture. But what I do perceive is a being who is giving his all to help wake up the slumbering and who has a sincere belief that we can (or already have [taken]) take the planet back, who promotes that we wake up to ourselves, that we actually claim our power and manifest our reality.

It doesn't matter if you believe his story, you have your own story.

As Nelson Mandala so famously said.

“Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.”

The suggestion is that we continue to share deeply of who we are without the necessity of invalidating another. As has Simon Parkes, as has Bill Ryan as have others lets pull out all stops folks.

I'm sorry, I didn't know I wasn't allowed to have an opinion... I have been following his posts from day one.... and who he 'is' does seem to change a lot... it's an observation... my observation... is that any less valid?

it's ok to have an opinion ... I also need to clean up some stuff bill is helping me on

jim

[Christine]

I'm sorry, I didn't know I wasn't allowed to have an opinion... I have been following his posts from day one.... and who he 'is' does seem to change a lot... it's an observation... my observation... is that any less valid?

I apologize if anything I said was taken to mean that your opinion wasn't desired. I would never take the position of allowing or disallowing anyone's opinion. My attempt was to ask other members to come forth with what they are perceiving, I sense that many have been putting the pieces together and actually have much to say but are perhaps intimidated to speak.

I take no argument with your observations.

I used the opportunity of the conversation to ask that those who dare to open the vast interior door of who they are, that was my intent.

Again please accept my apology for any slight you felt, it was not my intent.

[Padmé]

Posted by Christine (here)

I'm sorry, I didn't know I wasn't allowed to have an opinion... I have been following his posts from day one.... and who he 'is' does seem to change a lot... it's an observation... my observation... is that any less valid?

I apologize if anything I said was taken to mean that your opinion wasn't desired. I would never take the position of allowing or disallowing anyone's opinion. My attempt was to ask other members to come forth with what they are perceiving, I sense that many have been putting the pieces together and actually have much to say but are perhaps intimidated to speak.

I take no argument with your observations.

I used the opportunity of the conversation to ask that those who dare to open the vast interior door of who they are, that was my intent.

Again please accept my apology for any slight you felt, it was not my intent.

Apology accepted and very much appreciated, thank you Christine.

[music]

Bill Ryan: Why are you so angry?

Not angry Bill, I think it reasonable to become concerned when people start talking about harnessing the power of the Avalon community to "make people ill" and "take down the cabal by making them ill". This is alarming stuff, and not terribly enlightened in my book.

Concern is also evident, not just my own, over the whole 30% elite/70% minions thing, and that when asked to elaborate the reply is that everyone here is in the 30% (could this be ensnarement by ego-feeding as we often see?). And what of the 70% of filler on earth? The minions (and that is a reprehensible term in itself), well, they are not important, toiling in "some field in China somewhere", to me this suggests that these people working hard to feed their families are somehow "less" than us here? Am I allowed to be concerned about that, Bill, without you trying to brush my concerns off with the old "oh, you are angry" "must have touched a nerve" "you have issues" chestnut? That is a cheap shot, in my opinion.

The reason I am passionate about this is that I value this forum and the people on it, and feel that one of the beauties of this forum is that it represents many viewpoints.

Also of concern is that plenty of people come on here with grandiose claims, but never have the mods offered the level of support to any one individual that Jim has received. People look up to the mods, and this level of support will in some way "pre-make up" many people's minds. This means you have an unavoidable responsibility. Jim appears to making the claim that he is in some way a "god", and not in the way of many enlightened souls who say "we are all god". In seeming to endorse this message, and by continually saying Jim has "something important to say", and using terms like "Jim's message" and "Jim story", there is a kind evangelical flavour that the perceived mod endorsement validates.

I am also concerned with other things, but you know what, I will do Jim the favour of keeping them out of his thread. If I have a concern, I'll post it myself and ensure that I am polite when I do. I may just go and remove a link I posted on one of Jim's threads, and place it in one of my own. I will explain why I do this: to allow Jim to tell his story, in his own words, without having to counter opposing views to his history and cosmology.

That seems fair to me.

[judymoon]

Im still trying to wrap my head around this story of one man and his god-like powers and how he attained them and why i should care, since its taking up so much space and attention on this forum.

I started to read through each of jim's posts and finally gave up. I need to learn a different langage to understand them. I believe he is saying he learned all this by reading LRH books and auditing himself.

Christine said to Padme = "I used the opportunity of the conversation to ask that those who dare - to open the vast interior door of who they are." That was beautifully said.


I said in another post that I was interested in the theory behind Dianetics because de-sensitising traumatic memories has been shown to be very effective in helping someone heal. I experienced that through my experiences with EMDR.

However, Jim doesn't sound grounded, or healed or even all that sane, to me. No offense intended.

The only people who seem to know, and enthusiastically agree with him, are other people who have LRH info / auditing background.

My discernment is telling me something is 'off' here. Not sure what it is.

Yes, I am intersted in the concept of 'opening the vast interior door' of who I am. But not if it means ending up like Jim. (!) And that is just my personal, possibily unenlightened preference.

Perhaps this method of spiritual evolution needs a different spokesman? To me Jim seems like a innocent and trusting lost soul, in the middle of a tornado of confliciting ideas, strange beliefs, and miraculous and non-understandable phenomenon. (forgive my spelling)

This just doesn't seem like a path to enlightenment. Agin - no offense intended, but its not even great sci-fi.