LRH (L. Ron Hubbard)

[WEAREONE]

have you no filter? To understand these things and yet not be able to express or share then in a more refined manner.... well, perhaps its me?

Posted by jiminii (here)

Posted by Prodigal Son (here)
Thank you Jim, this thread is fantastic. I have many questions, but I will start with this one:

I am one to believe that suffering never goes for naught, that it is entered into the Book of Life that when complete, will allow us to become God. If these "mistakes" that led to the reptilians making the galaxy a living hell 367 years into the future are "vanished" or "erased", are you saying they are completely removed from the Akash? And if so, how does that contribute to the evolution of mankind? In other words, what prevents it from ever happening again?

the reptilians will be sent to another 3d planet ... if they don't the galactic government will put sanctions on them so steep they will never see the light of day .... so the only ones left now are the cabal and their hybrids ... that will be flushed out .. soon I hope

80 trillion years ago there was a group of people call the peace bringers ... they were so powerful that everywhere they went they brought peace .. There was another group that were war mongers ... and they were a bit of trouble but the peace bringers thought that could train them and maybe they would change to the better ... but these war mongers decided to infiltrate and steal the tech and use is to try to take over the system ... and many wars happened ... We did not keep them at check until they could be trusted and we had no tech to rehabilitate them ... so 50,000 years ago the most powerful got together and admitted they were losing and they made a plan to salvage this sector of the universe ... and they sent some of their people down here to try to find ways that could free their people from these prison planets and also find ways to open up our powers ... Yes is is very dangerous to open up the powers again ... but it is more dangerous to NOT open up the powers ... because without those powers everyone would eventually be trapped and enslaved ... but we also had to learn how to make the powers safe so people with powers can live with people with no powers. We have proven we can do this ... so we will be given our chance. \

jim

[psydney]

Posted by Christine (here)
... My attempt was to ask other members to come forth with what they are perceiving, I sense that many have been putting the pieces together and actually have much to say but are perhaps intimidated to speak ...

I used the opportunity of the conversation to ask that those who dare to open the vast interior door of who they are, that was my intent ...

yes, christine, you're correct in part -- i am one of those who have been trying to put the pieces together and keep up with reading this fast developing thread; i am not intimidated. in my opinion, jim has made some amazing posts, especially the ones in the beginning, before he got bogged down with replying to everyone's comments, at which point the thread became chaotic. i'm more familiar with the inner, spiritual realm; but jim appears to be speaking about cosmic laws, how things work. (yes, i realise he's made some provocative statements, but somehow i'm not getting sidetracked by them.) on the whole, i appreciate his perspective, there's something about it that rings true for me and i think i can learn from him.

i know very little about scientology and would be interested in knowing more about "tech" from the freezone, will follow up on Bill's links.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by music (here)

Bill Ryan: Why are you so angry?

Not angry Bill, I think it reasonable to become concerned when people start talking about harnessing the power of the Avalon community to "make people ill" and "take down the cabal by making them ill". This is alarming stuff, and not terribly enlightened in my book.

So far as I can tell, jiminii has used the word "ill" exactly one time so far on this forum, and that time was in Post #9 of this thread:

Posted by jiminii (here)
This game is over. It is a very painful game, and it is causing ill effects on other systems too far away to even know about and everyone agrees it is a never ending painful game.
So this game is being undone in the future.

Prior to the post of music that I just quoted, the phrase "make people ill" was last used by Amzer Zo, in this post on May 4, 2013 (one week before jiminii joined us), quoting himself (Amzer Zo) from this earlier post of July 30, 2012.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by music (here)
Also of concern is that plenty of people come on here with grandiose claims, but never have the mods offered the level of support to any one individual that Jim has received.

This is not true.

I have not taken a position one way or the other on much of what jiminii is saying here. Such topics as Scientology, L Ron Hubbard and Dianetics are not topics in which I have much expertise, and more over, I don't understand a good part of what I've read on these threads.

My primary support of jiminii has been my usual support in quoting and formatting posts, which I provide as a matter of routine across the forum. There I do have some expertise (and plenty of practice these last two years), and jiminii has made "good use" of this expertise.

[thunder24]

Posted by thunder24 (here)
"so another way to handle Monsanto and the chem trails is put the postulate out and have anyone that works for these organizations get sick and never get well until they stop doing what they are doing ,... you can probably handle the entire cabal this way too .... I just never thought of it ... but now that you reminded me of how I handle past stops on my intentions ... this could be a way to stop all the suppression forever ,,, but it is really not allowing others free choice ... but to hell with free choice ... they KNOW they are wrong ... so with enough intention there we can stop them "


it was the word sick not ill

post 186


there u go bill

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ill #1 Not healthy; sick: "I began to feel ill last week".

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by Paul (here)
So far as I can tell, jiminii has used the word "ill" exactly one time so far on this forum, and that time was in Post #9 of this thread:

Posted by jiminii (here)
This game is over. It is a very painful game, and it is causing ill effects on other systems too far away to even know about and everyone agrees it is a never ending painful game.
So this game is being undone in the future.

Thank you for pointing out the error Paul, the term used by Jim was/is "sick", not "ill". We had "drop like flies", and "sick" (twice) in this post.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...217#post674217

NO MORE MONSANTO ... and they will just drop like flies ... you see everyone who tried to stop me when I tried to join the sea org of scientology once got sick ... so they were forced to let me join ...

Monsanto and the chem trails is put the postulate out and have anyone that works for these organizations get sick and never get well until they stop doing what they are doing

We also have "sick" here:

Posted by jiminii (here)
if there is no other way to attack back but to use powers to make them sick as long as they are committing overts against the society is not an overt

And we have "sick" 3 different times in this post"
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...366#post675366

if I try to confront it on a more gentler scale just make them sick every time the go to work in those places

but if I use my power to make them sick you will say that is evil

and you are saying it is not ok to covertly make them all sick?

[jiminii]

Posted by thunder24 (here)

Posted by thunder24 (here)
"so another way to handle Monsanto and the chem trails is put the postulate out and have anyone that works for these organizations get sick and never get well until they stop doing what they are doing ,... you can probably handle the entire cabal this way too .... I just never thought of it ... but now that you reminded me of how I handle past stops on my intentions ... this could be a way to stop all the suppression forever ,,, but it is really not allowing others free choice ... but to hell with free choice ... they KNOW they are wrong ... so with enough intention there we can stop them "


it was the word sick not ill

post 186


there u go bill

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ill #1 Not healthy; sick: "I began to feel ill last week".

I haven't been sick in 40 years ... not even a cold ... after I learned how to handle my thoughts .. I made the postulate, "I never get sick'

it works for me

jim

[thunder24]

dude, u said to make others sick...that is ur post quoted....huh? your post is number 186

Posted by jiminii (here)

Posted by thunder24 (here)

Posted by thunder24 (here)
post #186

"so another way to handle Monsanto and the chem trails is put the postulate out and have anyone that works for these organizations get sick and never get well until they stop doing what they are doing ,... you can probably handle the entire cabal this way too .... I just never thought of it ... but now that you reminded me of how I handle past stops on my intentions ... this could be a way to stop all the suppression forever ,,, but it is really not allowing others free choice ... but to hell with free choice ... they KNOW they are wrong ... so with enough intention there we can stop them "


it was the word sick not ill

post 186


there u go bill

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ill #1 Not healthy; sick: "I began to feel ill last week".

I haven't been sick in 40 years ... not even a cold ... after I learned how to handle my thoughts .. I made the postulate, "I never get sick'

it works for me

jim

[Christine]

Posted by psydney (here)

Posted by Christine (here)
... My attempt was to ask other members to come forth with what they are perceiving, I sense that many have been putting the pieces together and actually have much to say but are perhaps intimidated to speak ...

I used the opportunity of the conversation to ask that those who dare to open the vast interior door of who they are, that was my intent ...

yes, christine, you're correct in part -- i am one of those who have been trying to put the pieces together and keep up with reading this fast developing thread; i am not intimidated. in my opinion, jim has made some amazing posts, especially the ones in the beginning, before he got bogged down with replying to everyone's comments, at which point the thread became chaotic. i'm more familiar with the inner, spiritual realm; but jim appears to be speaking about cosmic laws, how things work. (yes, i realise he's made some provocative statements, but somehow i'm not getting sidetracked by them.) on the whole, i appreciate his perspective, there's something about it that rings true for me and i think i can learn from him.

i know very little about scientology and would be interested in knowing more about "tech" from the freezone, will follow up on Bill's links.

Hello psydney,

Welcome to Avalon.

Thank you for your kind post and the desire to share. I am going to quote from another thread here. On reading enfoldedblue's words I had my own personal realization that she is saying what jiminii is trying to say, different language, different experiences but the same message. Remember who you are. And I would add share who you are. My own attempt being here.

There is so much misunderstanding on these LRH threads that it actually boggles the mind in any attempt to unwind it, we have:

1. The person L. Ron Hubbard.
2. The Church of Scientology
3. The Free Zone (Excommunicated members of the church, never members of the church, and Ex-members who extracted themselves from the church.)
3. The Tech - the tools and volumes of works of LRH and the continuing work of Captain Bill Robertson.
4. An embedded jargon that either intentionally or unintentionally implies elitism and status.
5. A new member named jiminii who is putting out a message that appears to be arrogant, confused and contradictory. A story that borders on unbelievable.
6. And a lot of speculation with little data, further confusing the issue.

So how does one proceed? I can only answer for myself and add what little bit of clarity that I can. First let me state for myself and those who read these words, I have no affiliation with LRH, the Church or even the cosmology as presented in the literature. What I do have experience with is using some of the tech developed and researched during the past 60 years.

I have simply found value in sitting in the presence of an ethical and highly trained auditor (please look up the dictionary definition of auditor) on the E Meter. It is a way to see one's own feed back loops and to release the blocks that keep one stuck in a paradigm that has been 'manufactured' either by consent, participation or entrapment.

The result for myself is the increasing certainty of Self, the lessening necessity to depend on others for answers or guidance, the increasing ability to admit when I am wrong, humility, the knowingness not only do we participate in our reality but the certainty that we are creating it. Understanding the levels of reality and how they affect us. In short reclaiming myself through remembering who I am. It is a journey of many twists and turns, one that has taken me not only to the height of the mountain but to the depths of hell. Born of this journey is Compassion, Humility and Knowledge. Remembering is love.

Christine

[Padmé]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

Posted by Paul (here)
So far as I can tell, jiminii has used the word "ill" exactly one time so far on this forum, and that time was in Post #9 of this thread:

Posted by jiminii (here)
This game is over. It is a very painful game, and it is causing ill effects on other systems too far away to even know about and everyone agrees it is a never ending painful game.
So this game is being undone in the future.

Thank you for pointing out the error Paul, the term used by Jim was/is "sick", not "ill". We had "drop like flies", and "sick" (twice) in this post.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...217#post674217

NO MORE MONSANTO ... and they will just drop like flies ... you see everyone who tried to stop me when I tried to join the sea org of scientology once got sick ... so they were forced to let me join ...

Monsanto and the chem trails is put the postulate out and have anyone that works for these organizations get sick and never get well until they stop doing what they are doing

We also have "sick" here:

Posted by jiminii (here)
if there is no other way to attack back but to use powers to make them sick as long as they are committing overts against the society is not an overt

And we have "sick" 3 different times in this post"
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...366#post675366

if I try to confront it on a more gentler scale just make them sick every time the go to work in those places

but if I use my power to make them sick you will say that is evil

and you are saying it is not ok to covertly make them all sick?

Here is another...

post 64

Posted by jiminii (here)
I was just giving examples of what a spirit can do ... I didn't make the scientologist sick that were trying to stop me ... but those that tried to stop me got sick ... I have no answer for it
jim

That's a rather intimidating thought... (IMO)

[jiminii]

Posted by Christine (here)

Posted by psydney (here)

Posted by Christine (here)
... My attempt was to ask other members to come forth with what they are perceiving, I sense that many have been putting the pieces together and actually have much to say but are perhaps intimidated to speak ...

I used the opportunity of the conversation to ask that those who dare to open the vast interior door of who they are, that was my intent ...

yes, christine, you're correct in part -- i am one of those who have been trying to put the pieces together and keep up with reading this fast developing thread; i am not intimidated. in my opinion, jim has made some amazing posts, especially the ones in the beginning, before he got bogged down with replying to everyone's comments, at which point the thread became chaotic. i'm more familiar with the inner, spiritual realm; but jim appears to be speaking about cosmic laws, how things work. (yes, i realise he's made some provocative statements, but somehow i'm not getting sidetracked by them.) on the whole, i appreciate his perspective, there's something about it that rings true for me and i think i can learn from him.

i know very little about scientology and would be interested in knowing more about "tech" from the freezone, will follow up on Bill's links.

Hello psydney,

Welcome to Avalon.

Thank you for your kind post and the desire to share. I am going to quote from another thread here. On reading enfoldedblue's words I had my own personal realization that she is saying what jiminii is trying to say, different language, different experiences but the same message. Remember who you are. And I would add share who you are. My own attempt being here.

There is so much misunderstanding on these LRH threads that it actually boggles the mind in any attempt to unwind it, we have:

1. The person L. Ron Hubbard.
2. The Church of Scientology
3. The Free Zone (Excommunicated members of the church, never members of the church, and Ex-members who extracted themselves from the church.)
3. The Tech - the tools and volumes of works of LRH and the continuing work of Captain Bill Robertson.
4. An embedded jargon that either intentionally or unintentionally implies elitism and status.
5. A new member named jiminii who is putting out a message that appears to be arrogant, confused and contradictory. A story that borders on unbelievable.
6. And a lot of speculation with little data, further confusing the issue.

So how does one proceed? I can only answer for myself and add what little bit of clarity that I can. First let me state for myself and those who read these words, I have no affiliation with LRH, the Church or even the cosmology as presented in the literature. What I do have experience with is using some of the tech developed and researched during the past 60 years.

I have simply found value in sitting in the presence of an ethical and highly trained auditor (please look up the dictionary definition of auditor) on the E Meter. It is a way to see one's own feed back loops and to release the blocks that keep one stuck in a paradigm that has been 'manufactured' either by consent, participation or entrapment.

The result for myself is the increasing certainty of Self, the lessening necessity to depend on others for answers or guidance, the increasing ability to admit when I am wrong, humility, the knowingness not only do we participate in our reality but the certainty that we are creating it. Understanding the levels of reality and how they affect us. In short reclaiming myself through remembering who I am. It is a journey of many twists and turns, one that has taken me not only to the height of the mountain but to the depths of hell. Born of this journey is Compassion, Humility and Knowledge. Remembering is love.

Christine

I understand what all of you might be thinking ,. I knew Bill from before .. and I knew he was in free zone because he told me ... but that was long ago,. and I never really got into the forum idea ... I really don't know how to answer Christians too. I have seen the power of a spirit like moving a finger out the window and with a light movement of the finger slam the storm hard into the house and then away from the house shaking the entire house and I pulled back because it scared me ... and I thought if I moved it any harder the whole house would have come down on me ... this has happened twice .. once in thailand and once in washington DC in an ice cream store and the entire building shook,. I always thought I was just a cowboy from Utah but after these powers started when I stopped the rain between 2 lights on Hollywood Blvd ... it completed changed my life. if you will listen to the free being tape you will understand it all ... he talks about the raw power of a spirit being ... about the force a spirit being could make ...
example ... in siberia you will find these frozen elephants in ice .. been there for millions of years ... he says in order to freeze an elephant so that it does not decay you would have to freeze the entire elephant in less than 60 seconds ... he said do you know of any natural disaster that can freeze an elephant in less than 60 seconds? He says, "what if some OT (operating thetan) got angry one day ,.. and just pulled the air cover off the planet ,,,it would put the planet in minus 270 Centigrade and it would freeze an elephant in less than 60 seconds, and then this guy flips the entire planet into a reverse spin and you got frozen elephants in siberia ..lately they have found frozen apple trees in antartica .this means the sun rose in the west and set in the east.. he says if he took this tech up to the governments up there you would see the longest piece of silence you can drop a space fleet in .... They would say ... "why we can't have you opening up OT's .... especially on a meat body planet .. what if one of these meat bodies would rise up against us ...... why you've gone too far ,.. " he says yes it is a dangerous idea to open up these OT levels ,. but it is more dangerous if we don't because eventually everyone would be trapped ... he says ,,, these theta traps (a trap to capture a spirit and knock him out and scramble his memory so he loses all his power" ... scattered all over the universe ... and you can get a thetan on one of these traps ,,, and do you know you can keep him there frying for 13 trillion years >> how do you get him off the trap? ,,, it takes and OT to pull him off the trap
now there is a lot more on that tape .. but it shows why we need to open up these OT levels ... and that is what terrifies the cabal and all the other negative beings out there .., they think they can steal the powers . they think if they could steal the church of scientology they can open up these powers quickly and do anything they want ... he says ... in the first place they wouldn't even be able to duplicate it ,,,, no matter how hard they tried ,,, David Miscavage and all of them have been promising OT 9 and 10 for years ,,, but it can't be learn by them because one thing you will have to have to be able to open them up is extremely good ethics ... without it .. you'll be pounding up a brick wall.
I saw when Bill gave me the information about captain bills tech that one of them was being able to control many people.

I did that at FSO .Flag service org .. highest evers cross the boards on the week I wrote it up to LRH this is the top of the tech and my thoughts were senior to the entire org,,,
now this is with NO AUDITING ... a few basic processes anyone can do ... that is all I had , ,.. and I can do this kind of power ??? ...,,,
do you know why I can't stay there? because none of them would believe either ,,, and they would be looking all over their statistics trying to figure it out and I could sit there mopping floors running the statistics up and down daily and they would go crazy trying to figure it out. what it I got upset? .. I could keep the stats down forever too. now you all can be wishy washy about this and ... oh let's be so careful but ... look at this universe ... by its basic laws ,... a god that is total knowing would not be able to see this universe ,... you have to not know and be in the instant by instant creation of it to see it ,... and if you can't see this ,.. ???? you are presently creating space in this time instantly and space in the next time and in the next instantly continually creating it in time that will not go away
and if you think you are just a meat body down here trying to learn how to be more spiritually and that this is a place we get education ,,, you are far from the truth ...the universe is being created by you ... THIS IS REALITY .... so Everyone including the reptilians is creating it ,,, and not only can I'prove it you can probe it to yourself ,,. i was wacking squash with a butcher knife and I hit my thumb ... it went all the way to the bone ,,, the blood was squirting out like a heart beat ,.. i rapped it with a napkin and put myself in the exact same spot I was and kept touching the thumb with the knife in the exact same place where the knife hit my thumb ... that will be where the most pain is ,,, I keep touching it for about 5 minutes and I took off the napkin and the entire thumb was back together with no cut at all ,.. what is this? this is called the touch assist in scientology. by duplicating the exact time of the creation of the cut with make that creation vanish .,,, and now no cut ,,,, so this tech is provable ...
I take that back. .... GE's (Ghosts) can not create it ... because ghost are a part of the creation that you as a spirit in this physical uniververse are creating ... every life form means trees planet fish cows pigs birds must have a GE in it or there is no live.... so a Jesus Christ can not come down here on this planet with full power. he would move his spiritual hands around and be knocking down buildings and mountains and totally making the place a mess ...he has to be implanted on a pole that looks similar to a human body that will change his viewpoint from the eyes of the spirit to the eyes of the body ... the other way is to operate it from outside like inelia and on limited power ... so you are not knocking down houses and having all the forks knives and spoons and kitchen flying around .. so the gods of this universe MUST BE less than a god to operate ,. a total knowing god can not see it or operate in it .... so if you understand this .. please don't invalidate the true power you are ... and every spirit being came into this universe from god first before he abused his powers which caused him to keep losing them and move down from there ... it is not a planet where we are here to be educated ... there is no real reason you are here or anything you did wrong ,.... you are here because they had a war up there and they decided to trap all the OTs ,.. (gods ... or if you like you can say lesser gods ..." so an OT is a spirit that can operate outside its body ... of all the things you can possible think that a god could be in your reality from the viewpoint of a human body wouldn't come close to what you really are ,,,, so stop making yourselves wrong and be you and find out what we can do to change it ,, and there is only one thing I know that could boost the power in you is the auditing I had to locate my other bodies .,,, and if done well it might make you cognite on who you were before you came here .... and watch the magic happen

that is the best shot I can give you
and everyone wants to argue with that

jim

[Sidney]

Hey Jim, I know you have gone over it a couple times, but I'm confused. (might be the blonde thing,lol). But could you be more specific about the time space thing. Putting our space out there. I just don't get it. I mean, I get the putting your thoughts out there, but I don't think thats what you mean by timee/space.??

[jiminii]

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)
Hey Jim, I know you have gone over it a couple times, but I'm confused. (might be the blonde thing,lol). But could you be more specific about the time space thing. Putting our space out there. I just don't get it. I mean, I get the putting your thoughts out there, but I don't think thats what you mean by timee/space.??

below your awareness level the spirit itself along with all the other spirits are creating this universe ... start simple ... you make a block of space out of your mind and decide it is in this time now ,, ,, the time is a creation too ,,, now make another block of space the same size in the exact same place but put in there in the next created instant of time ... now don't look at the first block of space you created ... say it is not space and this alters it to something else so that you don't duplicate it ,,, then another block of space the same size in a new instant in time ... again and again and then put it into automatic ... now it is automatically creating itself and doesn't go away ... now from complete nothingness ,,, like when you are sleeping ,,, with no dream ,, there is nothing ,,,, and now there is a block of space ,,,
that keeps continually creating itself in a new instant of time. now put a small tiny ball inside one of the blocks of space and move it in the next block of space and move it again in the next block of space and you will have something like an atom. then you keep putting particles in the space and changing their positions and you can have combinations of atoms that don;t go away

now that is creating space ....that persist ... make the block the size of this universe ,,, and get everyone to get into it creating it ,,, and eventually you will have a universe like this,

so the purpose of suppression is to shrink your space ... this makes you less cause ,,,

ok I played pool one time in a Hollywood bar ,,, and i got the idea that me and the pool table and pool stick were all the same body ,,, and it was all me ,,, table and all ... I didn't even aim at the ball .. I just moved the stick until I felt it would put the ball in the hole and i was putting impossible shots and bouncing the ball over other balls and putting 2 or 3 balls in at the same time
\
then eventually I lost ... I sat down and the man next to me said, "that really scares me ,,, "
i said, "what"
he said, " dimetrus is the best pool player in western USA and when someone beats him that scares me."
I beat the best pool player in western USA and I am not a good pool player

so space ,,, creating a bigger and bigger space of your spirit makes you able to cause things farther away ,,, like move a hurricane that is 2500 miles away in florida when I am in california

jim

[thunder24]

i once skipped a rock across a pond... yeah i know...impressive

[jiminii]

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)
Hey Jim, I know you have gone over it a couple times, but I'm confused. (might be the blonde thing,lol). But could you be more specific about the time space thing. Putting our space out there. I just don't get it. I mean, I get the putting your thoughts out there, but I don't think thats what you mean by timee/space.??

getting your space out there is a process ,,, get the idea of the space of your body
get the idea of the space of the room
then building
then the block the building is on
then that part of the city
then just your body
then that part of the city again
then the city
then the state
then the western US
then all of US
then north america
then the western hemisphere
then the planet
and keep going
that is getting your space out there

jim

[Sidney]

Posted by thunder24 (here)
i once skipped a rock across a pond... yeah i know...impressive

WOW, ME TOO!!! LOL that was pretty funny thunder, made me LOL : D

[Hervé]

Posted by thunder24 (here)
i once skipped a rock across a pond... yeah i know...impressive

Yep, sure turn your own ability into derision and you have invalidated your own powers and abilities by introducing doubt (vs. real faith), belittling of one's own achievements, etc...

Why do you think the best tool used by the PTB MSM is to ridicule any other views than theirs?

[RMorgan]

Posted by jiminii (here)

so space ,,, creating a bigger and bigger space of your spirit makes you able to cause things farther away ,,, like move a hurricane that is 2500 miles away in florida when I am in california

jim

Hey Jim,

This is the first time I´m addressing you directly, so pardon me if I may sound harsh or impolite.

I do respect you as a human being and I do respect the fact that you are trying to share your experiences with others.

However, I´m yet to be convinced that such experiences are actually real; It appears to me that you, at best, just have a very fertile imagination and, at worse, may be suffering from delusions of grandeur.

Don´t get me wrong. This is nothing personal. It´s just an observation based on what you´ve written so far.

I am sure you don´t mind my skepticism, since your claims are really of gigantic proportions, but you didn´t actually backed them up with real facts or empirical evidence.

You know, what´s the difference between Jesus himself and those poor people who believe they are Jesus living in mental hospitals all around the world?

Well, the difference is that Jesus allegedly could do extraordinary things that caused him to be remembered more than two thousand years after his death; Those who just claim to be Jesus, well, they may look like him, dress like him and speak like him, but when it goes down to prove their legitimacy, they just lack the original properties, which essentially means they don´t operate miracles proportional to their claims.

I just picked up Jesus as an example; I could very well pick Buddha or Super-Man. I´m sure you get it.

So, to make things short. I´m sure that if you can manipulate weather and operate all those outstanding miracles you claim, you can prove it to us all. It should be fairly simple for you, actually, if you do possess those unusual skills.

All you have to do is perform something observable and extraordinary, giving us prior knowledge of what, when and where you will make it happen.

Let´s say, as an example, that you choose to make it rain in a place where rain is very unusual this time of the year; You´re going to make it happen tomorrow. So, just tell us in advance where and when it will happen.

Again, I´m sure you understand my skepticism; If there´s one thing in common to most people who claim to have huge paranormal or extraordinary skills, is that most of them fail when it comes down to prove their powers.

I believe that your arguments have reached a point where proof is absolutely necessary.

Regards,

Rafael.

Ps: I´m expecting a better answer than the classic and evasive "I don´t need to prove anything to anyone" kind of thing.

[thunder24]

amzer, what the hell does shooting pool in hollywood have to do with the thread....? how does showing my abiblities deride? how did i lower my potential...skipping rocks is soothing...all should try...thats the best i can give u guys...just try... and u wanna downplay this...geez

where did i ridicule? i thought we were sharing abilities

[The Royal Wizard]

I jumped off this tread (-s) many many posts ago, mostly beceause I didn't got answers to my questions. For one calling himself a "rainmaker", referring to "royals" that own the planet and "they" that still is unexplained it's surely strange that simple questions can't be answered. I find this whole thing very odd. "I sence something, something I havn't senced since....."

There are a few here that doesn't buy in to the main message, and for once I also want to see some proof of the abilities claimed.

Padme, for what it's worth; I fully support your view. It seems that there are different rules to different people.

TRW