LRH (L. Ron Hubbard)

[Sidney]

Guys, we are having a solar storm at the current time. I have been feeling it all day, and those little solar buggers "help" flare emotions more than they normally would be. Reading through these silly greek arguments seems just that. Silly. It is clear to me that Jiminii was making fun of himself and not generalizing greeks as being dumb, no more than I think all blondes are dumb, but when I do stupid things, I refer to myself as a dumb blonde, however I take great offense when someone else stereotypes blondes being dumb. IMO some things are not worth spending time and energy fighting about and this is one of them. That was not racial, at all. Seriously, there are much more important things to talk about. Please stop the fighting.

[Sidney]

I am going to just put this out there. Many of us are here because we have had extraordinary things happen in our lives, have seen,felt,heard, experienced extraordinary things, that perhaps at the time left us wondering "Am I crazy?"
Some of those things I do not share here, for one because this is the internet, its public, and I have evil people watching and waiting to find something to hold against me, AND because I don't think ppl would believe me anyway, because sometimes I can't believe it myself, even though deep down, I know what I saw, heard, felt, etc. There is some profound shiit happening in our world that goes so far beyond what I ever knew existed, that it makes my head spin sometimes.
I am old. And I regret that I didn't know about the abilities I have (that I DO know about) decades ago, because it would have sped up journey to awakening. But it started only 5 or so years ago, and that timeline is what I have to deal with, and I have been starving for more answers ever since. Much of the information that has been put forth here resonates with me. Some of it not so much. But like EVERYTHING else here on this forum, with all the controversial topics that come up, we can take what is beneficial to us as individuals and leave the rest.
Obviously LRH is highly controversial, and so is the religion, as there is much contamination thats been done to both. I think much of what Jiminii is doing is to give us tools. we can take it or leave it.
He is not setting up a special club that only 13 special people are going to be chosen. Hes is not separating us into divided groups. So why should we do that to ourselves.
I have never made it rain, or hail, but I did do something on a very VERY SMALL scale in comparison and it changed the way I thought about everything. There is so much that has been kept from us, and for a good reason. If we all knew what we could do, we would not be in the predicament that we are in. And "they" know it.
It makes sense. And its really not even a complicated theory, or concept to grasp hold of. The world is not what we have been shown. And we all know it. If there is something in LRH materials that can help us develop our skills, then IMO we should accept it with open arms. Speaking for myself, I don't have anyone else trying to give me helpful information.
Another Idea, is if the threads continue to be confusing, MAYBE, Bill could do an interview with Jim, over Skype, he could hide his identity if needed, for security. Just a thoughts.

[Sierra]

Posted by wegge (here)

Posted by Prodigal Son
I do believe in this power of the human mind completely. It is the one thing that ties everything together and makes sense of everything the cabal does. And for that reason my intuition tells me that keeping human consciousness suppressed or switched off is the prime reason for the chemtrails.

Peter Moon the author of the Montauk books speaks as August (13th) as a major biorythm, especially every 20 years. The height of the Montauk Project was on August 13th 1983, also the Philadelphia Experiment in 1943, he also includes the Major blackout in the USA in 2003 into this. (august 14th?) The middle of August is also called dog days, it´s the hottest period and Sirius is the closest to earth and was a special date in old egypt.

Jim it´s also nice to read about your experience regarding the crucifixion. Radu Cinnamar describes in his book "Mystery of egypt" an experience his "hero" has, using a time machine. It´s also about a UFO wreaking havoc at the crucifixion.

I just finished reading that book.

Posted by eaglespirit (here)
I am not speaking for Jim as all of you understand.

I have been saying for quite some time now that if they keep it up they are going to hurt themselves themselves...with everything they are putting out at us...that massive mirror is being turned on them. I feel it is already taking place in an intense uptick now. Spirit(our spirits) can shine that mirror upon their energy they put out if we simply see it happening once and for all, really see it happening...the massive backfiring can simply be more firmly focused by each of our 'deciding' it to happen and finally turning the tide on all of this.

Yes. Cezar Brad speaks of rebound in the Mystery of Egypt. When an evil entity sends out deliberate hostile energy, and it hits someone who is at a higher level energy wise, the attack rebounds ten times harder than what the evil entity first sent out. It magnetically gathers more of the same kind of energy on it's return journey to the sender. It kills them quite often apparently.

Cezar says that often times the sending out of evil is unconscious, that the person has no idea they are doing this, just thinking bad thoughts and wanting bad things to happen. I guess you could describe someone like that as a sleeping god. Points out that it is kind of important to be awake and aware, and to not be sending crap out anymore.

Cezar says repeatedly there is no uniting of good and evil. They want nothing to do with one another. If you have ever tried to be friends with someone who is not "good", you understand the fallout. Evil has to WANT to change, they must be the initiator of change, and no one else's free will can interfere with that.

But clearly one defense is to simply raise one's energy to a higher vibration and let the rebounds bounce back to the owners. I sort of think, at a planetary level, this is what is going to happen eventually. The energies will separate even further, and end up inhabiting different environments. Like graduating or flunking ...

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
The "caveat" of changing "their mind" in one fell swoop is that "they" are not taking any responsibility (free will) for it... it is done for them and that has never, ever worked and never, ever will (see Alex Collier and "mentoring" vs. overtaking).

"They" have to "cognite"/realize, all by their lonesome selves, on having been "wrong" etc... for a genuine, sincere change to take place.

Hence the need for auditors...

Yes, that is what I mean!

Sierra

[thunder24]

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-for-my-sister

HERE U GO GUYS, PUT UR ABILITIES TO WORK

[CdnSirian]

This is a very tricky thread. And I can only respond from my experience, plus things I've read.

I must throw in here, that in 1984 or so, I was reading everything I could about cults. I found Jacques Vallee's "Messengers of Deception UFO Contacts And Cults". Until recently, this book was very hard to get, but now I see it's on Amazon.

In the beginning of the book, the author relates how he was called on by a person who said "we need to meet". They met. The person was a CIA agent who somehow knew what JV was writing about. He told JV that every new religion was initiated by the guv, and that the new cult leaders were all subjected to a ufo experience, and were hypnotized/implanted to go forth and start a religion. And, mostly they did.

One of the cult leaders he named was L. Ron Hubbard. Reportedly, LRH and Jack Parsons had a UFO experience in the Mojave Desert in the late 40's.

More pertinent, this agent told the author that the UFO experiences were holograms. And that the CIA tracked and was embedded into every cult that resulted from these holographic experiences. From the beginning.

The "Messengers of Deception" theme of the book relates more to the possible appearance of UFO's in our skies that "will be a hologram".

I'm not going to get this book today, as I have about 6000 pages of reading stacked in front of me. But I am curious to read it again.

As for Jimini, let me play playful advocate for a minute.

Maitreya is on the planet. He messes around with LRH tech and scientology for a while. He controls weather, etc etc and then finds PA. Oops, forgot, remembers he's Maitreya or L Ron. Or channels L Ron? I'm a bit confused.

He knows that Bill Ryan is going to give him the longest leash he's ever going to get, so he plunges forth with long unbroken text posts that go all over the place with back and forth "I did the tech myself straight from source" to "I got the stats up" which says to me he was on staff IN the Church of Scientology. He wrote LRH in Clearwater, he was written back. Huh?

I laud Bill for allowing this to proceed. It's harmless, right? We don't want to blow off the Maitreya, right? But why would Maitreya come to PA and throw down all these long garbled posts of he did this he did that and here's how you do this process - auditing on a forum?

This is only my opinion. But wouldn't Maitreya at least call the Dalai Lama and say "let's do lunch"?

I am willing to be stupid and wrong. I think I have a better if not betterer perspective on some of the most misleading sh**t that's gone down in the past few decades.

Secondly, I second the question as to why Jimini is not pushed back to the unapproved channelling part of the forum. He states it clearly.

But maybe he has been fully genned in to the forum and people on it and with knowledge of the buzz phrases required to alert ex's and other seekers, he somehow made it sound right and didn't get banned to the channelling section? Just sayin'...

"If you meet the Buddha on the road kill him"? An old saying. Maybe to enlighten? Maybe to confuse?

[Sierra]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Very interesting...

I posted this somewhere in answer to a comment on a blog:

One question that jumps out is, “How is [it] that LRH had time to write 11 novels, but no time to fulfill his promise – and it does appear to have been a promise – of “a very large number”/”perhaps 15 levels” ?

And where are the notes?

Well, I am gonna stick my neck out of behind the couch on the ready to dodge flying pizzas and bottles… but these are best of questions in that they contain their own answer… provided and given, of course, that one has re-educated and/or regained one’s ability to see and hear with one’s thetan eyes and ears…

See, those books are choke-full of applied tech…

Has one yet tried to echo-locate oneself like a bat and make the distinction between one moving in a fixed environment vs. a fixed environment moving with respect to oneself? Never mind echo locating oneself with respect to something else moving within either case… which OT level is that drill at?

This goes together with this oft misinterpreted quote:

“Competence is above case gain.”

How does one achieve competence?

Practice, practice, practice; drill, drill, drill…

Where does one find those drills to practice; once “above case gain,” that is, in a “native state”?

Well, me think they all are in books and lectures of the 50s and post 80s… making good on the promise of being free from the $cientology organization.

Reading LRH materials, I have grown up envisioning him as being a cross between a sea-wolf, a desert-fox and a weasel… how to hide the X on the map where the treasure is buried?

Well… as always… right in your face

Oooooo Amzer Zo. Ah hate those books. They remind me of Nancy Drew novels ending every single frickin chapter with a frickin exclamation point. Sooo dumb, sooooo boring. And you are telling me this is where the gold is buried?

Noooooo! I can't read them!

Sierra doomed to incompetence

[Sierra]

Posted by CdnSirian (here)
This is a very tricky thread. And I can only respond from my experience, plus things I've read.

I must throw in here, that in 1984 or so, I was reading everything I could about cults. I found Jacques Vallee's "Messengers of Deception UFO Contacts And Cults". Until recently, this book was very hard to get, but now I see it's on Amazon.

In the beginning of the book, the author relates how he was called on by a person who said "we need to meet". They met. The person was a CIA agent who somehow knew what JV was writing about. He told JV that every new religion was initiated by the guv, and that the new cult leaders were all subjected to a ufo experience, and were hypnotized/implanted to go forth and start a religion. And, mostly they did.

One of the cult leaders he named was L. Ron Hubbard. Reportedly, LRH and Jack Parsons had a UFO experience in the Mojave Desert in the late 40's.

More pertinent, this agent told the author that the UFO experiences were holograms. And that the CIA tracked and was embedded into every cult that resulted from these holographic experiences. From the beginning.

The "Messengers of Deception" theme of the book relates more to the possible appearance of UFO's in our skies that "will be a hologram".

I'm not going to get this book today, as I have about 6000 pages of reading stacked in front of me. But I am curious to read it again.

One can only rely on one's own discernment to determine who is speaking from their own experience, and who is lying to invalidate another's experience. Since the methodology taught by LRH, did amazing things, before taken over by Miscavage and changed to a CIA owned control cult ... I assume, for now, he is wearing the white hat, while I examine the data.

Yes, Project Blue Beam is planning to hologram the appearance of UFOs, Christ, battles etc. to try to get people into the end times fear based frame of mind.

Posted by CdnSirian (here)
I question as to why Jimini is not pushed back to the unapproved channelling part of the forum. He states it clearly.

I don't see him as channeling, regardless of what word he may have used that you quote. I see him as sharing his own experiences. But since he is using the language of LRH, it is going to send some people into a reactive state. Scientology as it was, got truly trashed by TPTB.

The epilogue of The Mystery of Egypt contains the following quote from Peter Moon, and pretty much lays out why I listen/read everything without judgement as much as I can:

"It is far better to seek out infinite knowledge or wisdom which consists of the collective knowledge or wisdom of all Mankind. As there are numerous people in the collective, one should be accepting of all human viewpoints and the relative keys they possess. It is therefore wise not to quibble with knowledge, wisdom or information of an kind that is offered. The information is there for your enlightenment or your use. Disagreeing or agreeing is not so important. How intelligently you file, use or discard it is up to you and your personal path."

"The truth to one person might appear like a mockery to another. Once one moves from a typical human consciousness to the higher realms of consciousness, one has to navigate through many illusions which the Hindus call maya. Astrologers refer to this as the realm of Neptune which not only rules illusion and deception but also the higher realms of spirituality. The real challenge in negotiating the countless illusions generated by the collective minds and phenomena that the universe can generate is not so much in judging what is right and wrong but in figuring out what the game is and how things work. Rightness and wrongness have a tendency to change depending on the platform or culture of the situation you are in."

IF I manage to not react, sometimes things line up, click, fall into place, and I say to myself oh yeah, that fits with what I read over here, and here, and here ... so I give it more credence. For now.

I used to think Scientology was crap. I don't think that anymore about the original form of Scientology.

NoProphet, I am sorry but I got to the first edition of LRH book on eBay first ...

ALL of what I say, is just. my. opinion.

Sierra

[music]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by music (here)

Bill Ryan: Why are you so angry?

Not angry Bill, I think it reasonable to become concerned when people start talking about harnessing the power of the Avalon community to "make people ill" and "take down the cabal by making them ill". This is alarming stuff, and not terribly enlightened in my book.

So far as I can tell, jiminii has used the word "ill" exactly one time so far on this forum, and that time was in Post #9 of this thread:

Posted by jiminii (here)
This game is over. It is a very painful game, and it is causing ill effects on other systems too far away to even know about and everyone agrees it is a never ending painful game.
So this game is being undone in the future.

Prior to the post of music that I just quoted, the phrase "make people ill" was last used by Amzer Zo, in this post on May 4, 2013 (one week before jiminii joined us), quoting himself (Amzer Zo) from this earlier post of July 30, 2012.

Guys, I had already answered this, and posted links. You must have all missed it, here it is:

I was near the complex in Hollywood and they asked us to go to a room to get a briefing of something LRH wanted us to know and it would ;only be given once that day. I read from LRH this ... LRH was afraid we would ;not be able to clear the planet because a large percentage of the planet are minions ... no greater than the trees and the plants .... now ... this was a long time ago so I assume if we are 7 billion now ... that it probably is around 70 percent or more.

the 70 percent will probably not be on this website ... they will be in the fields of china or some place like that ... they can not originate new thought .. they would watch the same TV shows and go to the same places everyday ...doing the same routine .. they can even be engineers .. but they would usually copy other peoples work ... because they would not be able to originate a new creation

Posted by jiminii (here)

Posted by InCiDeR (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)
we are more powerful than any group in this universe ... but we have to get our spiritual space out there as big as this galaxy is and bigger ... put our space out to cover the not only this galactic governments but all the neighboring galaxies ...
you see there is a viewpoint to all the neighboring galaxies that this planet and all the entities on it is just a pain in the a***** ... not worth bothering with .. and we won't be if we don't make our presents felt .... this is not hard to do ... practicing getting your space out there ...
just get the idea of the space of just your body
then get the idea of the space of the room
then get the idea of the space of the apartment
then the building
then this part of the city
then the city
then the state
now get the idea of the space of just your body
you can see the difference
now get the idea of the space of the state
the country and the hemisphere ,., the planet ,,, this solar system .... the galaxy ... all the neighboring galaxies .... this quadrant of the universe .... the entire universe ...

add 1 more universe to this one ... add 10
now you have enough spiritual space to put something in it ... and we do have the power ,.. you just have to get rid of consideration that you are a weak body .. you are not
you can not imagine the amount of game we are playing .... you only have to decide you are cause over it.
this means that you are senior to all considerations and all beings everywhere ... you have to get the idea there is NO COUNTER INTENTION ANYWHERE
you are senior to ALL OF IT ....
then your thoughts will happen
we need a lot of the most powerful doing this ,.,to show them we are worth handling
thought is senior to ALL PHYSICAL UNIVERSE MECHANICS ,,... and we are senior to all of it
but you have to decide you are and then put the thought that the cabal is being stopped by the governments up there and we the people are in charge of this planet
then decide they put us into the galactic governments system ... so we can be heard ... and then they will be able to remove the cabal ,.
we have to bypass the cabal .... that means those who can do telepathy must act and locate those up there and get them to recognize us

according to free zone LRH is up there and is part of the senior counsel and can be a voice for us if we stand up as a collective

you can do this
let's get it done

jim

So if I understand this correctly, we once again must rely on others to save us from the cabal? This time the galactic governments?

Then when the cabal is gone, we will switch hierarchy system into the galactic government hierarchy instead?
Am I missing something in this picture?

from my knowingness ... we are waiting for this planet to go into full 4th dimension ... as we all wake up more and more ... they are all still negotiating the outcome ... for example the pole shift and other decisions they are working on ..... everything that was suppose to happen ... didn't happen ... only a few things actually happened like the planet heating up and some volcanic activity and earthquakes .... but if I was to really tell you from my surety ... I KNEW VIETNAM would not be able to attack Thailand while I was there. and I am a viewpoint that is an observation now since I wasn't able to complete the mission of opening up the upper OT levels in Scientology ... and I also knew one more thing .... it was my decision whether we salvaged the planet or not ....I decided to salvage it ... so each year goes by and every time I hear something come up like Indonesia is sinking ... something happens and it is more or less in check.
I just have a hard time believing that I can do all this ... because i have to think through this body .... what I really feel is my being here along with all those others that were sent here are keeping the planet from going away like all the expected senario's like the madrid fault going and yellowstone going ... hasn't happened ... so we are holding the place and keeping it from going away .... when someone comes up and tells me "how do we stop the chem trails" ... I guess I just have to confront that too ... because everything I confront gets handled ... but this body think throws me off ... I have to dream up a way to stop it ... or just decide NO MORE CHEM TRAILS .... and let the postulate do the work ... it is funny how postulates work ... you can put in an end thing ... without a work around ... and the postulate will just come up with a way to do it and I get completely surprised how this spirit in me handles it .... so we decide it from now ... NO MORE CHEM TRAILS ... and see what the being will do with that postulate .... NO MORE MONSANTO ... and they will just drop like flies ... you see everyone who tried to stop me when I tried to join the sea org of scientology once got sick ... so they were forced to let me join ... but I guess I could have gotten rid of the infiltration too ... but this body didn't know at the time until way later ... but I know I have the power to handle just about anything ... so another way to handle Monsanto and the chem trails is put the postulate out and have anyone that works for these organizations get sick and never get well until they stop doing what they are doing ,... you can probably handle the entire cabal this way too .... I just never thought of it ... but now that you reminded me of how I handle past stops on my intentions ... this could be a way to stop all the suppression forever ,,, but it is really not allowing others free choice ... but to hell with free choice ... they KNOW they are wrong ... so with enough intention there we can stop them

jim

No need to thank me, happy to help.

[music]

to hell with free choice
everything I confront gets handled
you see everyone who tried to stop me when I tried to join the sea org of scientology once got sick
put the postulate out and have anyone that works for these organizations get sick
LRH was afraid we would ;not be able to clear the planet because a large percentage of the planet are minions ... no greater than the trees and the plants
the 70 percent will probably not be on this website ... they will be in the fields of china or some place like that ... they can not originate new thought

These are just a few of the objectionable thought forms. Laid out in an easy to access form, the nested quotes and links can be found in my reply to Paul, above. I'm sorry I had to post them again, I'm not really into witch hunts, but I'm surprised that you guys missed the post of thunder24 who ages ago said the word was sick, not ill. And also Fred's post ages ago that quoted these too. I realise you have a lot on your plate, but please don't come back to me and accuse me of more witch hunting, I am merely setting the record straight. I have nothing against jiminii, I'm sure he is a nice guy, but I am bound by a duty of care to humanity to point out things that I think are counter-productive to the greater common good. I have already noticed that jiminii has examined some things, and expressed himself in a clearer way, and in a way that is more conducive to a good outcome, and if I have contributed to that process of self-appraisal and adjustment, then I am happy.

[Hervé]

Posted by Sierra (here)
[...]

Oooooo Amzer Zo. Ah hate those books. They remind me of Nancy Drew novels ending every single frickin chapter with a frickin exclamation point. Sooo dumb, sooooo boring. And you are telling me this is where the gold is buried?

Noooooo! I can't read them!

Sierra doomed to incompetence

LRH research went backwards once he discovered "spirit" was senior to anything else (i.e. everything else derives from the state the "spirit"/being is in).

Hence he addressed the OT levels first and finding that it didn't totally worked as expected in rehabilitating OTs to their abilities; he started to research what was impeding that rehabilitation. So, he started the research in the direction of finding and designing processes that would handle these stumbling blocks.

The research lead him down to handling Homo sapiens and recover overwhelmed "spirits"/beings deeply buried within those bodies.

Hence, an individual like jim has no difficulties applying and getting results from the early taped lectures; whereas an entrenched Homosap like myself has a long way to go

As for Battlefield Earth and the Mission Earth series; well, when the "church" falls into oblivion and all remaining tech books and materials are confiscated and burned in the Wilhelm Reich tradition of witch hunting... as LRH said about Sci-Fi: "That's good gag!"

[Flash]

i have been reading most posts and trying to make sense. Even with a much wider spectrum to try to understand and accept fringe realities, as realities, I still have problems to make sense of Jimmini writings. So ok, lets try to process from my right brain... still no sense. Ok, lets try to process from my heart chakra or my heart center. Benevolent will is clearly perceived, but I still do not see the target. THe language is quite hermetic, the stories unnecessary spectacular sometimes (ok, jesus turned water into wine, every body got drunk on water after all and Jimmini beats champions at pools - let me tell you that any well trained MK Ultra slave can make this happen, win at pools against champions).

There might be substance in the writings, but I can't follow through. Some posters say it is rather simple, may be, then I must be stupid.

One talent of develop souls seems, to me, to be able to be coherent when presenting. Si is it because Jimmini is braking down, is it because he is learning to express himself in human terms, what is the problem?

Two comments:

Sometimes Jimmini's writing seems like a MkUltra programmed slave braking down, therefore some incoherence until he gain back all his alters.

Sometimes Jimmini's writing make me thing of Justeonman writings when he got on this forums one year and half plus ago. When he told us he was God and God spoke to him. Justeoneman got his mind back since and can now express clearly what was happening then. Clearly...

So please, help me understand, because I am lost - and I would not want to miss maitreya in any ways.


Ce qui comporte la vérité s'énonce clairement il me semble. Complexe peut-être, mais clair.

[thunder24]

well does any of it matter....cause its been said many times in this thread, that we have already won, the future has been seen... so whats the point, lets have icecream now, to celebrate our winnning..... dang tiger blood like charlie sheen

[Bo Atkinson]

Timeline of Secret Government Projects

LSD, Esalen, HAARP and the Cosmic Cointelpro
or
When You Dance With the Devil...


The first person to publicly expose the CIA's use of "pain-drug-hypnosis" was L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology, who wrote in his 1951 book Science of Survival that it had become so extensively employed in espionage work that it was long past the time people should have become alarmed about it.

"Mr. Hubbard's statement was found to be true in the 1970s, when the CIA's program became public knowledge after the freedom of Information Act enabled investigators to document the agency's inhumane and grotesque experiments on human subjects. The ensuing outcry over the use of mind-bending drugs, which combined with electric shock caused the deaths or maiming of untold numbers of people, drew comparisons between the CIA and the infamous Nazi doctors and led to Congressional hearings into the intelligence agency." - an40286@anon.penet.fi (probably from the Scientology Guardians Organization

Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bl.../1498038/posts

[jiminii]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)

so space ,,, creating a bigger and bigger space of your spirit makes you able to cause things farther away ,,, like move a hurricane that is 2500 miles away in florida when I am in california

jim

Hey Jim,

This is the first time I´m addressing you directly, so pardon me if I may sound harsh or impolite.

I do respect you as a human being and I do respect the fact that you are trying to share your experiences with others.

However, I´m yet to be convinced that such experiences are actually real; It appears to me that you, at best, just have a very fertile imagination and, at worse, may be suffering from delusions of grandeur.

Don´t get me wrong. This is nothing personal. It´s just an observation based on what you´ve written so far.

I am sure you don´t mind my skepticism, since your claims are really of gigantic proportions, but you didn´t actually backed them up with real facts or empirical evidence.

You know, what´s the difference between Jesus himself and those poor people who believe they are Jesus living in mental hospitals all around the world?

Well, the difference is that Jesus allegedly could do extraordinary things that caused him to be remembered more than two thousand years after his death; Those who just claim to be Jesus, well, they may look like him, dress like him and speak like him, but when it goes down to prove their legitimacy, they just lack the original properties, which essentially means they don´t operate miracles proportional to their claims.

I just picked up Jesus as an example; I could very well pick Buddha or Super-Man. I´m sure you get it.

So, to make things short. I´m sure that if you can manipulate weather and operate all those outstanding miracles you claim, you can prove it to us all. It should be fairly simple for you, actually, if you do possess those unusual skills.

All you have to do is perform something observable and extraordinary, giving us prior knowledge of what, when and where you will make it happen.

Let´s say, as an example, that you choose to make it rain in a place where rain is very unusual this time of the year; You´re going to make it happen tomorrow. So, just tell us in advance where and when it will happen.

Again, I´m sure you understand my skepticism; If there´s one thing in common to most people who claim to have huge paranormal or extraordinary skills, is that most of them fail when it comes down to prove their powers.

I believe that your arguments have reached a point where proof is absolutely necessary.

Regards,

Rafael.

Ps: I´m expecting a better answer than the classic and evasive "I don´t need to prove anything to anyone" kind of thing.

I haven't practiced weather in a long time ,. because I found if I don't know what I am doing I can make a lot of damage .. I don't mind to do this in USA ... but for example when I went to Bangkok in 1979 the buddha tested me and told everyone that I have the ability ... now how they learn this I don't know ... but while I am in thailand there is a heat wave in USA that killed 800 people ... and another buddhst who I didn't know walked up to me on the street and knew my name and said I had to go back to USA ... because of the heatwave ,. so .. creating weather has a responsibility and I need to be aware of what I am doing or it has it's side effects

example I did the typhoon in japan playing around with the secretary showing her I can start up the wind ,.. it surprised her ... then put in some clouds ... that happened then next the typhoon came and it was so fast I tried to slow it down but it already past the island ... but another typhoon was right behind it and it slowed down so slow it took 3 days to cross the island and it put the water up to the roods ... so the japanese I was working with were angry when the secretary told them what I did ... and they pointed at the sky indicating I should not do that ,

now right after that I turned on turned on the TV an saw andrew cutting across florida ... I thought OMG ... I compared the arc of andrew and the arc of japan and both andrew and japan typhoon had identical ars from south going west and up north
I got worried and thought I better go back to USA and somehow get auditing so I can fix my case to be more aware of what I am doing
the next hurricane is happening in hawaii as I am crossing the pacific ...and we flew through it to the north ... i am thinking, "maybe I am getting hit with my own hurricane " .. and it had an identical arc as andrew and japan ... so I tried to hitch rides to get to andrew and see what happened .. they won't let us in there ... I get a ride coming back and the man tells me, "it looks like the carpet baggers are down here trying to steal all the land " ... so putting weather out to try to stop these cabal doesn't help at all ,..

after I made the hurricane go up the east coast without anyone getting killed they wanted me to go back to FSO ...I got to FSO and I met the girl that recruited me there and we went to have tea and coffee and I was telling her about the weather. She said, "oh that is why."
I said "what?"
she said that scientology never gives out anyone's names because they don't want the government to know what we are doing but when I was leaving the base in los angeles she was in the telex room .. and she saw a message go out saying "the rainmaker just left" .,, I got to FSO Flag service org .. and all my friends come up to me and said, "jim we want you to create another hurricane" I said "why?"
they said, "well this ship got beached and we want to put it out to see and he wants to surf the waves while I video him"
I said, "I think you ahd enough hurricanes this year ...
then he told me the story he said, "that was the strangest hurricane ever ."
I said, "why?"
he said, "all the OT 7's were up on the Fort Harrison hotel trying to audit out this storm and then suddenly it stopped ...and no one knew where it was going to go .... it was just bouncing around and then it went in to georgia "
you see they knew ... they can get out of their body and see ... but I can't prove it myself

now everyone wants to test you to see if you really can do it ... but they have NO IDEA what it takes to make these postulates ... any kind of effort can delay the postulate from happening ,. it took 4 days to do it in bangkok and then the girl just says "oh we get a lot of weather here anyway ." in other words she will not believe it unless I can put it there right now ... I have had rain come down almost instantly ... but those times are rare ... usually could take 3 or 4 days ...

and I know what I can do ... I am afraid to use it in asia ... because there is china and all these south east asia countries and I could literally mess up the weather so bad they would be flooded very bad and do too much damage ... then you might say ,, well send it to USA ... I have done that before too and had weather going in 2 countries ... ... so at this time I would rather not ... we already have the planet with the dwarf star heating the place making it unpredictable ...
ASK BILL .. he will tell you putting out postulate is not as easy as you think ..you have to put it there and wait and keep the intention there which even the intention has some effort on it ... but you can download the book phoenix lectures and learn how to do it ... and prove it to your self ...

jim

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Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)

so space ,,, creating a bigger and bigger space of your spirit makes you able to cause things farther away ,,, like move a hurricane that is 2500 miles away in florida when I am in california

jim

Hey Jim,

This is the first time I´m addressing you directly, so pardon me if I may sound harsh or impolite.

I do respect you as a human being and I do respect the fact that you are trying to share your experiences with others.

However, I´m yet to be convinced that such experiences are actually real; It appears to me that you, at best, just have a very fertile imagination and, at worse, may be suffering from delusions of grandeur.

Don´t get me wrong. This is nothing personal. It´s just an observation based on what you´ve written so far.

I am sure you don´t mind my skepticism, since your claims are really of gigantic proportions, but you didn´t actually backed them up with real facts or empirical evidence.

You know, what´s the difference between Jesus himself and those poor people who believe they are Jesus living in mental hospitals all around the world?

Well, the difference is that Jesus allegedly could do extraordinary things that caused him to be remembered more than two thousand years after his death; Those who just claim to be Jesus, well, they may look like him, dress like him and speak like him, but when it goes down to prove their legitimacy, they just lack the original properties, which essentially means they don´t operate miracles proportional to their claims.

I just picked up Jesus as an example; I could very well pick Buddha or Super-Man. I´m sure you get it.

So, to make things short. I´m sure that if you can manipulate weather and operate all those outstanding miracles you claim, you can prove it to us all. It should be fairly simple for you, actually, if you do possess those unusual skills.

All you have to do is perform something observable and extraordinary, giving us prior knowledge of what, when and where you will make it happen.

Let´s say, as an example, that you choose to make it rain in a place where rain is very unusual this time of the year; You´re going to make it happen tomorrow. So, just tell us in advance where and when it will happen.

Again, I´m sure you understand my skepticism; If there´s one thing in common to most people who claim to have huge paranormal or extraordinary skills, is that most of them fail when it comes down to prove their powers.

I believe that your arguments have reached a point where proof is absolutely necessary.

Regards,

Rafael.

Ps: I´m expecting a better answer than the classic and evasive "I don´t need to prove anything to anyone" kind of thing.

Hi Raf, my 4 year old can do weather. We had a community event from 10 - 2 a little while back, and the forecast was rain. We asked him to manifest good weather for us, sunshine please, 10 - 2, no make that 3 just in case. All around on that day it rained, except this one little window of sunshine that lasted from, yep, you guessed it, 10 - 3. He has other successes too. This is straight up, his mum is on here to tell you if I'm lying! He is available for weddings and bar mitzvas.

[jiminii]

Posted by thunder24 (here)
well does any of it matter....cause its been said many times in this thread, that we have already won, the future has been seen... so whats the point, lets have icecream now, to celebrate our winnning..... dang tiger blood like charlie sheen

right that is the way to do it ,... people who are too serious can't effect anything ... there is too much effort ... you know they want me to prove the weather ,.. and if I do ,.. it would be like every time I did before.... as soon as you do it ... they will say it was going to happen anyway ... but when the rain stopped between the two lights the girl shut up ... she couldn't say anything after that ,.. but those are rare .. you almost have to be in such a jokingly light mood because the thoughts that work are the light ones ... just like this other post of a baby making weather .. that baby has no thought that it can't be done ,.. no counter intention ,.,. just puts it there .. but people with a lot of losses will not believe it ... just the fact that you doubt it and disbelieve it alone will not make it happen

you have to read the book

I put up a thought in Los angeles to make no rain and keep it hot so I could sell ice cream on my ice cream truck ,and a few years later I wasn't even doing the ice cream truck .. and maybe it is about 1978 and they have news saying they've had a 7 year drought and they will allocating all the water in Los Angeles and they will start some government program to manage the water ... I suddenly thought "OMG ... I stopped the rain" I put out my thoughts to cancel the stop ." ... the rain started up and it was going until around january ... and I was living with an OT 2 .. and I told him "we have enough rain I am going to stop it now"
he said "no we still need more ... " and he is comparing the rain to mid east not same like the Los angeles being in a desert "
I said "no I am stopping the rain tonight"
well I don't have the label of being an OT because they never let me attest to it . so he assumes I have no power at all.
he says "me and a bunch of ot's are postulating rain"
I said "it will stop tonight"
the weather forecast was heavy rain that night
that night the rain shifted and missed Los angeles completely
now this OT 2 complained for the next two weeks so I thought "ok you want to see rain?"
I started postulating rain ... no rain ... I pushed it harder ... no rain ... then harder .. no rain ... so I cogged " oh I forget to cancel the stop the rain postulate"
I canceled the stop and the rain came down and all of orange county is flooded the santa monica peers and coast lines are breaking up and all the land is falling on the the highway there ... all the houses in the hollywood hills are coming down the mountain .... and the canyons too ... and I tried to stop it and it only made it worse and whipped up the winds so hard I thought it too dangerous to try to sop it
so I said "just let it ride out .... don't put any more postulates there "
this ot 2 refused to talk to me about weather ever again

now I am not going to get in a contest with this ... I now use this ability sparingly and only for myself ... because I don't need to get in a contest with everyone and have them have me cause the things this OT 2 did because he couldn't accept my postulate
... I know this stuff works ...the fact that you don't want to try shows me you would rather be the problem than the solution .. it is free ... just download the book phoenix lectures and try it ...

and I will ignore all this CIA stuff where it says that LRH was doing all these experiments on people ... because we found the source and I think it is called count tel pro .. not sure the spelling ... the program that put millions of false data in the government system to try to bring down the cabals enemies

i don't have to be here ...
i am totally happy over here living in paradise ... this is something I am giving you
i had enough pain trying to raise people's hopes and abilities and watching all of this be destroyed by the dramatizations of the implants that has been put in everyone to prevent them from ever getting free from this prison
the fact that they would create this kind of prison where they flood you with pictures of dead babies and everything else to make you stay here in this prison a living hell
you can try it or not ... up to you ....
these are my experiences
I came here to do my music and forget about the rest of this world because I know we won and I knew that 4 years ago when they offered to let me die and go join them ... and I looked at it and said "no I will wait because I want to try to get as many as we can"
this doesn't need to be scientology ... but buddhism will take you 15 years to get out of your body with meditation
the tech can pop you out of your body in 15 minutes
buddhism is only a temporary solution
it does not erase the pictures
so you can be a buddha maybe for 1 or 200 years ... but those pictures are still there
and any key-in and his whole buddhist state is wiped out and he has to start over
and the thing that happened 75 million years ago called the wall of fire
where a huge thermo nuclear explosion went out and shook up all the planets and left this sector of the universe in the state of a desert
if these buddhas ever try to erase that incident it is designed to kill the body
if you can't erase that incident you will never be able to get to the higher ot levels

I am trying to find the star people ... they don't need auditing on lower stuff or any of the past like the wall of fire ... they have never been born before .. so i am trying to get them to do this simple process of locating their other bodies ...and that will blow so much charge in them it is almost an instantaneous enlightenment. ..save the able first then they can save the rest ... this process is what got me back somehow in the game because I understood where all the abilities came from .. . and I think others should learn this too ...

now I may be wrong ,. there might be better processes but I never became aware of them in this body ,,

I am not worried
when bill let me see what captain bills free zone OT levels were .. I saw immediately I have all those OT levels too
and I have never been audited much on anything
I have already done them before i came here
he gives me some more viewpoints and I see them .. and I trust him because I know where he is coming from

you don't need to be in this thread if you don't like what you hear .
eventually all of you will be handled .. that is our target and goal .. you can do it now .. or you can do it 100 trillion years from now or never
it is all up to you

jim

thanks thunder 24 ... this is for those who have little faith .. hahaha enjoy

[jiminii]

Posted by Flash (here)
i have been reading most posts and trying to make sense. Even with a much wider spectrum to try to understand and accept fringe realities, as realities, I still have problems to make sense of Jimmini writings. So ok, lets try to process from my right brain... still no sense. Ok, lets try to process from my heart chakra or my heart center. Benevolent will is clearly perceived, but I still do not see the target. THe language is quite hermetic, the stories unnecessary spectacular sometimes (ok, jesus turned water into wine, every body got drunk on water after all and Jimmini beats champions at pools - let me tell you that any well trained MK Ultra slave can make this happen, win at pools against champions).

There might be substance in the writings, but I can't follow through. Some posters say it is rather simple, may be, then I must be stupid.

One talent of develop souls seems, to me, to be able to be coherent when presenting. Si is it because Jimmini is braking down, is it because he is learning to express himself in human terms, what is the problem?

Two comments:

Sometimes Jimmini's writing seems like a MkUltra programmed slave braking down, therefore some incoherence until he gain back all his alters.

Sometimes Jimmini's writing make me thing of Justeonman writings when he got on this forums one year and half plus ago. When he told us he was God and God spoke to him. Justeoneman got his mind back since and can now express clearly what was happening then. Clearly...

So please, help me understand, because I am lost - and I would not want to miss maitreya in any ways.


Ce qui comporte la vérité s'énonce clairement il me semble. Complexe peut-être, mais clair.

I am sorry if you don't understand it ,,, I am really trying to say it in simple farmers language ,, ... so maybe I can break it down to more simple if you let me know what you don't understand
and I think bill is doing a q and a thread.

a spirit outside his body can travel to the nearest solar system about the same time he thinks it
other solar systems run much faster than this one ,,

How much garbage would they have to put in someone that is capable of making planets out of nothing ... and suns and slow him down to the speed of a human body on this planet

there is a whole other technology in the spirit world for building planets ...

what would they have to do to you to make you believe you are a body with only the abilities of an animal

there is a lot of garbage there

all we do with this tech is get people to go back and look at the lies and become more awake

remove enough of lies and the spirit will turn all the pictures into concepts
that is what is called "clear"

then remove those things that took your abilities away
and your native powers will return to you
this is native state ...
a native state spirit is practically a god
but it would be a baby god
like one of these star childen like Inelia
a spirit with no experience

then you remove more and you will be able to remember what you forgot

get rid of the amnesia

and be able to go back building suns and planets again

does this make sense?

jim

[jiminii]

Posted by Padmé (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)
right that is the way to do it ,... people who are too serious can't effect anything ... there is too much effort ... you know they want me to prove the weather ,.. and if I do ,.. it would be like every time I did before.... as soon as you do it ... they will say it was going to happen anyway ... but when the rain stopped between the two lights the girl shut up ... she couldn't say anything after that ,.. but those are rare .. you almost have to be in such a jokingly light mood because the thoughts that work are the light ones ... just like this other post of a baby making weather .. that baby has no thought that it can't be done ,.. no counter intention ,.,. just puts it there .. but people with a lot of losses will not believe it ... just the fact that you doubt it and disbelieve it alone will not make it happen

you have to read the book

I put up a thought in Los angeles to make no rain and keep it hot so I could sell ice cream on my ice cream truck ,and a few years later I wasn't even doing the ice cream truck .. and maybe it is about 1978 and they have news saying they've had a 7 year drought and they will allocating all the water in Los Angeles and they will start some government program to manage the water ... I suddenly thought "OMG ... I stopped the rain" I put out my thoughts to cancel the stop ." ... the rain started up and it was going until around january ... and I was living with an OT 2 .. and I told him "we have enough rain I am going to stop it now"
he said "no we still need more ... " and he is comparing the rain to mid east not same like the Los angeles being in a desert "
I said "no I am stopping the rain tonight"
well I don't have the label of being an OT because they never let me attest to it . so he assumes I have no power at all.
he says "me and a bunch of ot's are postulating rain"
I said "it will stop tonight"
the weather forecast was heavy rain that night
that night the rain shifted and missed Los angeles completely
now this OT 2 complained for the next two weeks so I thought "ok you want to see rain?"
I started postulating rain ... no rain ... I pushed it harder ... no rain ... then harder .. no rain ... so I cogged " oh I forget to cancel the stop the rain postulate"
I canceled the stop and the rain came down and all of orange county is flooded the santa monica peers and coast lines are breaking up and all the land is falling on the the highway there ... all the houses in the hollywood hills are coming down the mountain .... and the canyons too ... and I tried to stop it and it only made it worse and whipped up the winds so hard I thought it too dangerous to try to sop it
so I said "just let it ride out .... don't put any more postulates there "
this ot 2 refused to talk to me about weather ever again

............


eventually all of you will be handled .. that is our target and goal .. you can do it now .. or you can do it 100 trillion years from now or never
it is all up to you

jim

So let me get this clear, you caused hot weather for your own financial gain, then irresponsibly forgot you had, then messed up the process and so there were greater consequences for quite a while...
and you say we should all read this book and have a try too? :D

... and if we choose not to believe, then we will all be 'handled' anyway... what do you mean by this statement?

look ... I am learning this stuff just like anyone else ... it is same like inelia with no experience

I picked weather because it was going to rain and I was on the road with no place to sleep

and I was just curious why the chant worked
until it stopped the rain between two lights ,., so then I wanted to know how that happened ,,, I knew it couldn't be a chant ... then i read the book and I practiced .. I never expected it would continue to stay hot ... especially 7 years .... and this body doesn't believe it anyway ,,,, so 7 years later I flip on the TV channel .. and there is a 7 year droubt ,, ,,, I tried to start the rain again
it wouldn't start ... again and again ...then I realized that it must have been started when I was on the ice cream truck ... so I cancel that thought and the rain started
this body gets surprised every time ... because I put out thoughts they happen ... this body doesn't believe it .. so I drop it .. but the thought didn't drop until I looked on the TV

now this is how thoughts work ... put up a thought you want rain .. and it works the same way for everyone ... so then we get rain .. now you want to stop the rain.. the second thought goes up against the first thought. and locks because they ar opposing thoughts ... no matter what you do you can't make the second thought work until you stop the first thought ...

but ... to stop the first thought you have to look at the exact time that you created the thought to make it vanish
some people need a meter to go back to the exact thought to make it vanish ,,, I don't ... I just look

so are you interested in making money?
not with weather ...
and you got some thought there that is stopping all your money and it won't go away ,.,
what do you do?
some people need a meter to go locate the thought that is stopping them from having money

do you want a job?
go back to the thoughts that are stopping you from getting a job

this is why everyone is having so much trouble living on this planet ,.. the cabal sets everything up to make everyone lose and get in lowered conditions and all these thoughts of yours start happening and next you know you are broke .. and no way out of it ... if you knew how to handle your thoughts you can make your life better

and if I can make the weather go the way I want ... and no one else changes it ,... then they don't believe they can change it ... so the weather will follow me ... if more people took more responsibility for the weather and learned how to manage like the buddhas in thailand .. you would get a more balance game to play .. the fact that you can't change the weather puts you in apathy about doing anything about the weather
get up to where you are cause over it .. and then we would probably be able to heat up HAARP enough to break it. These people are taking aiien tech and using it to hurt us and create famine ... if you had the ability to control the weather ... they wouldn't be able to do this
I am keeping the weather going fine over here ... where I can see what it is doing not somewhere else where I can't see it ... and may cause damage ... you have a responsibility to handle your own area just like I do .. if I were able to see outside this body .. I could handle it all .. but I don't, so maybe some others should get in there and learn it and take some responsibility themselves

jim


why would you eventually come ??? maybe because you would get tired at beating your head up against the wall trying to figure out why you can get money or a job ...
you would see others that are winning ... so you would want to know

inelia said their was no manual to operating the body ,.. and there is no manual to operate this universe . it just want the way it want hap hazard for eons ,,so this guy called LRH tries to learn it and make a manual so people can learn how to make their lives better ... and those who want to steal it and control it spend billions of dollars and also taxpayers dollars to try to destroy it ... one man ... could keep it going as long as he could ,, .. .. he worked almost 16 or more hours a day to try to give everyone a chance .. and I can see on this site anyone can go out and find anything to tear it down ,., and not know where it came from
I know where it came from because i was there when we were fighting all these false reports setup with this count tel pro program .. and i worked in this orgs and saw everyone was very serious to try to keep ethics in and make it go right ... I saw it ...

but go ahead and read any of the garbage on the internet ...
it is up to you ... it is your life

bill told me to slow down

I am tired of answering all these negative guestions

anyone with negative questions i will not answer anymore
you can ask bill

I can clean a lot of this with him because he will honestly go look first
before he speaks

jim

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by jiminii (here)
I am tired of answering all these negative guestions

anyone with negative questions i will not answer anymore
you can ask bill

Yep: send all your negative questions to me.

[jiminii]

OT means Operating Thetan ... Thetan comes from greek lettere theta .. that means thought or spirit .. the closest thing we can relate to is thought ... so LRH added an N to theta to mean thetan ... this is the creator so all spirits have the ability to create and are actively creating this universe together .. but it is below our awareness .. imagine that we had 20 creators .. and they made this fish aquarium out of nothing ... a glass box with water ... the spirits are outside the box creating everything in the box .. but can not see in the box ... so it creates a viewpoint called thetan that can be inside the aquarium and it would be this golden ball with a gold ring around it that is next to the body managing it ,. now this viewpoint can be attached to the body like a fish and see from outside the fish or like we see from inside the fish ,,, but first the spirit must create fish ... so it must create a ghost called a GE ... genetic entity ... and give it a fish personality each different fish has it's own personality and the ghost is the part that makes it alive and grows it ... the ghost knows how to grow this particular fish as was programmed into it by the thetan attached to the spirit ... now the thetan is also a creation .. it is like the eyes of the spirit but it works with the spirit ... so spirit can manifest power through this viewpoint called the thetan the power to create anything out of nothing comes from the spirit .. but the spirit uses the thetan (eyes) to help the spirit to create it .. the spirit can create more thetans to manage other fish ... so it can manage as many fish as the thetans it has created ... if the fish does not have a thetan attached to it .. it is totally run by the GE ghost from the programming and experience it learns ... ok
thetans (eyes of a spirit) are being dumped on this planet from many systems ... not just this galaxy ... it is on the rim of this galaxy so it is a handy place to dump unwanted material ... but that is real Thetans, (remember the spirit is outside the box using the thetan to see inside the box) .. The GE's just keep making bodies ... but the number of Thetans that are here are only those that are dumped here ... so the amount of bodies being created here is happening much faster than they can dump Thetans here so that is why you get more GE's than Thetans .. only a high powered spirit like metteyya or gaia can create new thetans .. (eyes ... can not create new spirit beings but I believe that new spirit beings can be small pieces broken off from bigger spirit beings ... but any new spirit would be outside the box and have to create Thetans inside the box)

do you get it?

jim...