LRH (L. Ron Hubbard)

[Padmé]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)
I am tired of answering all these negative guestions

anyone with negative questions i will not answer anymore
you can ask bill

Yep: send all your negative questions to me.

Dont worry Bill, this whole thing is clear as day to me... I'll be on my way...

[thunder24]

Has any one on this forum ever met LRH while he was alive on earth in a human body? If so can u prove he did work with the CIA(knowingly or unknowingly)?

Im not asking for channeled connection to his spirit in the ethers... or metteya or whatever. The man did u know him?

If I proved the point in this thread by making jokes, then why the siriusness of the info.... just start laughing andd joking.... start a joke thread....

I AM WINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FEED THE WORLD
PEACE

[jiminii]

Posted by CdnSirian (here)
This is a very tricky thread. And I can only respond from my experience, plus things I've read.

I must throw in here, that in 1984 or so, I was reading everything I could about cults. I found Jacques Vallee's "Messengers of Deception UFO Contacts And Cults". Until recently, this book was very hard to get, but now I see it's on Amazon.

In the beginning of the book, the author relates how he was called on by a person who said "we need to meet". They met. The person was a CIA agent who somehow knew what JV was writing about. He told JV that every new religion was initiated by the guv, and that the new cult leaders were all subjected to a ufo experience, and were hypnotized/implanted to go forth and start a religion. And, mostly they did.

One of the cult leaders he named was L. Ron Hubbard. Reportedly, LRH and Jack Parsons had a UFO experience in the Mojave Desert in the late 40's.

More pertinent, this agent told the author that the UFO experiences were holograms. And that the CIA tracked and was embedded into every cult that resulted from these holographic experiences. From the beginning.

The "Messengers of Deception" theme of the book relates more to the possible appearance of UFO's in our skies that "will be a hologram".

I'm not going to get this book today, as I have about 6000 pages of reading stacked in front of me. But I am curious to read it again.

As for Jimini, let me play playful advocate for a minute.

Maitreya is on the planet. He messes around with LRH tech and scientology for a while. He controls weather, etc etc and then finds PA. Oops, forgot, remembers he's Maitreya or L Ron. Or channels L Ron? I'm a bit confused.

He knows that Bill Ryan is going to give him the longest leash he's ever going to get, so he plunges forth with long unbroken text posts that go all over the place with back and forth "I did the tech myself straight from source" to "I got the stats up" which says to me he was on staff IN the Church of Scientology. He wrote LRH in Clearwater, he was written back. Huh?

I laud Bill for allowing this to proceed. It's harmless, right? We don't want to blow off the Maitreya, right? But why would Maitreya come to PA and throw down all these long garbled posts of he did this he did that and here's how you do this process - auditing on a forum?

This is only my opinion. But wouldn't Maitreya at least call the Dalai Lama and say "let's do lunch"?

I am willing to be stupid and wrong. I think I have a better if not betterer perspective on some of the most misleading sh**t that's gone down in the past few decades.

Secondly, I second the question as to why Jimini is not pushed back to the unapproved channelling part of the forum. He states it clearly.

But maybe he has been fully genned in to the forum and people on it and with knowledge of the buzz phrases required to alert ex's and other seekers, he somehow made it sound right and didn't get banned to the channelling section? Just sayin'...

"If you meet the Buddha on the road kill him"? An old saying. Maybe to enlighten? Maybe to confuse?

1971 I went into scientology to look .. because that was part of my mission ... I was first in USLO Unitied States Liason office.. Los Angeles 1971 right after I was outside my body on a UFO to deliver a message they had put in me on that UFO I couldn't get to see LRH so I went to Amsterdam with the wife I had then length of stay a working in coca cola packaging a few months while there Highest evers GI gross income ever
1972 then Copenhagen on the Athena ship 1972 ... to try to deliver the message again .. 1 or 2 months
1973 then back to USA to FOLO WUS .. Flag Operations Liason Office West US this was USLO before and now the name changed .. there a few months
you see I couldn't tell anyone what my intention was .. they would think I was from some place like the CIA .. though I didn't know at that time they were being attacked
i developed my powers and thought the only way I will be able to see him is using powers because he would recognize it
1979 ASHO Day .. American Saint Hill DAY los angeles .. about 7 months .. I did my experiments with my powers the next highest evers GI world wide
1984 FSO Flag Service Org Clearwater floreda .. I put highest evers GI since 1979 the top org ... Highest evers GI gross income and Highest evers cross the boards means every statistic every post every division never happen in the history of Scientology and never happened again was there about 7 months
1986 AOSH ANZO Advanced Org Saint Hill .. australia new zealand and that pacific area ... Highest evers GI three weeks in a row ... 3 week cross the boards stayed about 4 months
if I could have gotten to LRH in the beginning maybe I could have stopped the infiltration and he would have seen it ,...
so end mission ... when he died ... and I have to handle other threats to the planet

now I don't mind your think
I let you play playful advocate ... now ... what other game would you like to play?

jim

[jiminii]

WOW!
I had to read it twice to understand it a little bit.

I have further questions:

1.- Why spirit is not creating Thetans at the same time as GE are creating the fish, is there something holding them back? any particular reason?

2.- Are the new children coming to Earth, i.e. Crystal, indigos etc... the new spirit beings that you are referring to, the small pieces broken off the bigger spirits?

3.- How can anyone know if they are only "fish without the thetan = GE" or if it is the thetan itself? The reason I asked this is because since I was a little girl I've questioned things, and somehow my life so far had led me to different experiences of spiritual nature, I am or feel a rebel against the cabal, the church (catholic) etc... and although I have lived my life within the parameters marked by society, I have never being happy with many of the things I have witnessed or experienced myself.


Sorry for all these, but you just opened a can of worms!

Thanks
this planet is a prison planet ,.. and thetans were created in the future and sent here in 3 waves ... brand new spirits like inelia never been born before some with missions and others to raise the vibrations of the planet ...
yes they are the small pieces broken off the bigger spirits
but they are only a few million ... not sure how many million
well one way is to get auditing and sort out who is the GE and who is the Thetan .. the lines will cross they won't have the same births and deaths ... then you can find who went the genetic line and who came from the stars

these are good questions


jim

[Sidney]

"quote from Jiminii"

and then we would probably be able to heat up HAARP enough to break it

Hey Jim, with all due respect. If you were being literal,,,, I think that is a very bad idea. As I'd like to hang on to the few birds and bees we have left.
Because of the flack you are getting here, you might choose your words a bit more carefully. Just some friendly advice here.

[jiminii]

http://www.freezone.de/english/timet...er.html#Family Roots

here is the link that shows the history of LRH and why he met with crwoley
Hubbard´s teachings are of particular importance to them. Because Hubbard (he said) was by education a druid. He was entrusted with the task of making druidic knowledge available to mankind in popular language.

How would my druid friend know this? Because his teacher told him. So I rang the teacher on the phone (a very long-distance call). He confirmed the story and said he had been told it by his teacher who as a child and a young man knew Hubbard personally, at a time when Hubbard was already in his fifties and sailing the Mediterranean in his Sea Org ships.
I asked him if Ron hadn´t told this young man some tall story to impress him, because (don´t we know?) Ron loved to create his PR image to suit the demands of his environment.
No, said the druid teacher, the story was again confirmed by his teacher´s teacher who studied druidism right at the time when Hubbard studied it - in the 1930´s. They didn´t study in the same place but knew of each other.

So for better or worse, here is the full story as it was given to me: Ron, born into a clan of magicians and witches, received a druid education from late childhood on. It lasted some 15 years. He was entrusted with the task of rendering Crowley powerless since Crowley was into black magic, and black magic is not what druids favour. Further, and as his masterpiece, he was to rehabilitate druidic knowledge in the eyes of the world.

Ron was excluded from druidic circles when he founded the "Church of Scientology" in 1954 since it´s against druidic policy to start a religion. (L.Kin, Volume 4, From

jim

[Flash]

Posted by jiminii (here)

Posted by Flash (here)
i have been reading most posts and trying to make sense. Even with a much wider spectrum to try to understand and accept fringe realities, as realities, I still have problems to make sense of Jimmini writings. So ok, lets try to process from my right brain... still no sense. Ok, lets try to process from my heart chakra or my heart center. Benevolent will is clearly perceived, but I still do not see the target. THe language is quite hermetic, the stories unnecessary spectacular sometimes (ok, jesus turned water into wine, every body got drunk on water after all and Jimmini beats champions at pools - let me tell you that any well trained MK Ultra slave can make this happen, win at pools against champions).

There might be substance in the writings, but I can't follow through. Some posters say it is rather simple, may be, then I must be stupid.

One talent of develop souls seems, to me, to be able to be coherent when presenting. Si is it because Jimmini is braking down, is it because he is learning to express himself in human terms, what is the problem?

Two comments:

Sometimes Jimmini's writing seems like a MkUltra programmed slave braking down, therefore some incoherence until he gain back all his alters.

Sometimes Jimmini's writing make me thing of Justeonman writings when he got on this forums one year and half plus ago. When he told us he was God and God spoke to him. Justeoneman got his mind back since and can now express clearly what was happening then. Clearly...

So please, help me understand, because I am lost - and I would not want to miss maitreya in any ways.


Ce qui comporte la vérité s'énonce clairement il me semble. Complexe peut-être, mais clair.

I am sorry if you don't understand it ,,, I am really trying to say it in simple farmers language ,, ... so maybe I can break it down to more simple if you let me know what you don't understand
and I think bill is doing a q and a thread.

a spirit outside his body can travel to the nearest solar system about the same time he thinks it
other solar systems run much faster than this one ,,

How much garbage would they have to put in someone that is capable of making planets out of nothing ... and suns and slow him down to the speed of a human body on this planet

there is a whole other technology in the spirit world for building planets ...

what would they have to do to you to make you believe you are a body with only the abilities of an animal

there is a lot of garbage there

all we do with this tech is get people to go back and look at the lies and become more awake

remove enough of lies and the spirit will turn all the pictures into concepts
that is what is called "clear"

then remove those things that took your abilities away
and your native powers will return to you
this is native state ...
a native state spirit is practically a god
but it would be a baby god
like one of these star childen like Inelia
a spirit with no experience

then you remove more and you will be able to remember what you forgot

get rid of the amnesia

and be able to go back building suns and planets again

does this make sense?

jim

Thank you Jim

I must admit that this answer of yours to my post seemed exceedingly clear to me. May be because it was addressed to me, who knows.

The pictures will turn into concepts meaning that it will be beyond the pictures, at the creation level, the concept itself.

In a few words, you are telling us that the dianetic technics allows to remove the blocks to our godhood. And if we go further, to remove the amnesia.

Yes it makes sense.

You know what, I would be willing to give it a try.

Thanks for answering.

And keep the farmers' language please.

[thunder24]

WHERES crowley now?

[jiminii]

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)
"quote from Jiminii"

and then we would probably be able to heat up HAARP enough to break it

Hey Jim, with all due respect. If you were being literal,,,, I think that is a very bad idea. As I'd like to hang on to the few birds and bees we have left.
Because of the flack you are getting here, you might choose your words a bit more carefully. Just some friendly advice here.

I am an electronic tech ... so I felt that if we control the weather it might put a huge load on anything electronic ... not literal ... just an mechanical idea ,. I mean I get a picture of a being holding good weather while someone is trying to run something else like HAARP ,. since I am a bit upset that they used HAARP to melt the snow and ice in greenland .... ... they were heating the oceans with HAARP and killing the fish and dolphins so they had to stop it ... then then changed it to greenland and the purpose was to put enough humidity in the air to flood the world and damage crops and food supplies

just off the wall thought

jim

[Sidney]

How can anyone know if they are only "fish without the thetan = GE" or if it is the thetan itself?"


I have this same question..

Should we assume, that if we here here on this forum, and relate to the knowledge set forth on Avalon/Camelot/David Icke/ etc. etc. that we are most likely thetan? If so, does that mean that we are ONLY Thetan without a GE.

[Sidney]

Posted by jiminii (here)

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)
"quote from Jiminii"

and then we would probably be able to heat up HAARP enough to break it

Hey Jim, with all due respect. If you were being literal,,,, I think that is a very bad idea. As I'd like to hang on to the few birds and bees we have left.
Because of the flack you are getting here, you might choose your words a bit more carefully. Just some friendly advice here.

I am an electronic tech ... so I felt that if we control the weather it might put a huge load on anything electronic ... not literal ... just an mechanical idea ,. I mean I get a picture of a being holding good weather while someone is trying to run something else like HAARP ,. since I am a bit upset that they used HAARP to melt the snow and ice in greenland .... ... they were heating the oceans with HAARP and killing the fish and dolphins so they had to stop it ... then then changed it to greenland and the purpose was to put enough humidity in the air to flood the world and damage crops and food supplies

just off the wall thought

jim

Ok, the problem is that someone might get the wrong idea, learn the tech then improperly use it, try to break HAARP by overheating it, and create a disaster in the process. I understand its good to not be "too serious", I have a pretty good sense of humor, but this tech is some serious stuff, and when not used properly obviously can create problems. Being a teacher comes with responsibility. Obviously there are many brilliant people here at avalon. Unfortunately, there are probably many(non participants) that are NOT SMART, and may take something out of context.

[jiminii]

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)

Posted by Flash (here)
i have been reading most posts and trying to make sense. Even with a much wider spectrum to try to understand and accept fringe realities, as realities, I still have problems to make sense of Jimmini writings. So ok, lets try to process from my right brain... still no sense. Ok, lets try to process from my heart chakra or my heart center. Benevolent will is clearly perceived, but I still do not see the target. THe language is quite hermetic, the stories unnecessary spectacular sometimes (ok, jesus turned water into wine, every body got drunk on water after all and Jimmini beats champions at pools - let me tell you that any well trained MK Ultra slave can make this happen, win at pools against champions).

There might be substance in the writings, but I can't follow through. Some posters say it is rather simple, may be, then I must be stupid.

One talent of develop souls seems, to me, to be able to be coherent when presenting. Si is it because Jimmini is braking down, is it because he is learning to express himself in human terms, what is the problem?

Two comments:

Sometimes Jimmini's writing seems like a MkUltra programmed slave braking down, therefore some incoherence until he gain back all his alters.

Sometimes Jimmini's writing make me thing of Justeonman writings when he got on this forums one year and half plus ago. When he told us he was God and God spoke to him. Justeoneman got his mind back since and can now express clearly what was happening then. Clearly...

So please, help me understand, because I am lost - and I would not want to miss maitreya in any ways.


Ce qui comporte la vérité s'énonce clairement il me semble. Complexe peut-être, mais clair.

I am sorry if you don't understand it ,,, I am really trying to say it in simple farmers language ,, ... so maybe I can break it down to more simple if you let me know what you don't understand
and I think bill is doing a q and a thread.

a spirit outside his body can travel to the nearest solar system about the same time he thinks it
other solar systems run much faster than this one ,,

How much garbage would they have to put in someone that is capable of making planets out of nothing ... and suns and slow him down to the speed of a human body on this planet

there is a whole other technology in the spirit world for building planets ...

what would they have to do to you to make you believe you are a body with only the abilities of an animal

there is a lot of garbage there

all we do with this tech is get people to go back and look at the lies and become more awake

remove enough of lies and the spirit will turn all the pictures into concepts
that is what is called "clear"

then remove those things that took your abilities away
and your native powers will return to you
this is native state ...
a native state spirit is practically a god
but it would be a baby god
like one of these star childen like Inelia
a spirit with no experience

then you remove more and you will be able to remember what you forgot

get rid of the amnesia

and be able to go back building suns and planets again

does this make sense?

jim

Thank you Jim

I must admit that this answer of yours to my post seemed exceedingly clear to me. May be because it was addressed to me, who knows.

The pictures will turn into concepts meaning that it will be beyond the pictures, at the creation level, the concept itself.

In a few words, you are telling us that the dianetic technics allows to remove the blocks to our godhood. And if we go further, to remove the amnesia.

Yes it makes sense.

You know what, I would be willing to give it a try.

Thanks for answering.

And keep the farmers' language please.

dianetics by itself can make you go clear

jim

[jiminii]

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)
"quote from Jiminii"

and then we would probably be able to heat up HAARP enough to break it

Hey Jim, with all due respect. If you were being literal,,,, I think that is a very bad idea. As I'd like to hang on to the few birds and bees we have left.
Because of the flack you are getting here, you might choose your words a bit more carefully. Just some friendly advice here.

I am an electronic tech ... so I felt that if we control the weather it might put a huge load on anything electronic ... not literal ... just an mechanical idea ,. I mean I get a picture of a being holding good weather while someone is trying to run something else like HAARP ,. since I am a bit upset that they used HAARP to melt the snow and ice in greenland .... ... they were heating the oceans with HAARP and killing the fish and dolphins so they had to stop it ... then then changed it to greenland and the purpose was to put enough humidity in the air to flood the world and damage crops and food supplies

just off the wall thought

jim

Ok, the problem is that someone might get the wrong idea, learn the tech then improperly use it, try to break HAARP by overheating it, and create a disaster in the process. I understand its good to not be "too serious", I have a pretty good sense of humor, but this tech is some serious stuff, and when not used properly obviously can create problems. Being a teacher comes with responsibility. Obviously there are many brilliant people here at avalon. Unfortunately, there are probably many(non participants) that are NOT SMART, and may take something out of context.

yes I have been seeing that .... I never thought I would get so many different viewpoints and can go off on a button so fast
button meaning ... you push the wrong button and the person reacts ... like screams ... or slaps your face

jim

[araucaria]

Let me playfully suggest a slightly different angle on this weather control business. It is a topical subject since people like Clif High and the remote viewers have been telling us much of the planet will be under water in ten days time – certainly it has been extremely wet recently here in Europe, but nothing we cannot handle .

It may be less to do with either black ops or Jim’ll fix it types flexing their psychic muscles as with the background counterproductive complaining about the weather from millions of people doing it without even realizing that they have an effect on such things. Chaotic weather patterns would be expected from a large disparate population with no focused intent. This is one area where a slight and utterly feasible improvement in so many master complainers towards a little more cheerful optimism could make a huge difference. That’s one tiny tweak for a man, one giant leap for a hundred monkeys. And we all get involved instead of looking on incredulously.

I for one have no desire to have a godlike effect on this planet (maybe some day to practice on an unpopulated one ). This seems to have been a problem so far, rather than a solution. That kid who makes sure it doesn’t rain during your wedding is probably doing about as much as we want, when you factor in all the weddings going on. Even butterflies need to flap their wings ever so gently.

Another thing: I wouldn’t want to play a world-beating game of pool without knowing what I’m doing - what's the fun in that? A game is not about winning, but getting the best out of one’s abilities, which includes overcoming any deficiencies. We may be gods on some quasi transcendent level in some not here/not now, but meanwhile, we need to focus on being better humans today than yesterday.

[jiminii]

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)
How can anyone know if they are only "fish without the thetan = GE" or if it is the thetan itself?"


I have this same question..

Should we assume, that if we here here on this forum, and relate to the knowledge set forth on Avalon/Camelot/David Icke/ etc. etc. that we are most likely thetan? If so, does that mean that we are ONLY Thetan without a GE.

all lifeforms have a GE ... the thetan has to knock him out to take over the body ,.. then there might be a conflict between both of them ... some GE's are more powerful because they have been influenced by some powerful spirit before and may dominate the body ... so you can have a spirit just sitting back letting the GE do it's thing or you can have it the other way ... by clearing you become yourself ... the spirit ...
and I assume many are here because there is a thetan reaching for knowledge ... could even be a GE controlled thetan too since the thetan would and could nudge the GE to be here ... don't really know all the combinations and I would have if I was given the training ....

oh you made me realize something ... they knew .. and maybe LRH knew ... but there is a jealousy between ... 2 thetans that have the same spirit .... it is possible he didn't want me to get training because he saw all this power and was jealous .. the other reason was ... as cathy told me ... you can not run the same OT levels again on someone .. and he may have recognized by what I was doing with the stats ... this I mean those from base 2 working with him ... saw it ... wow ... it's all coming out ... yes that was it ... he needed me but ... at the same time he needed all this to be confidential ... that is why they tried to get me on the OT 8 ship project and it got stopped by another person who could not have me having the power ... he has said this before that thetans trained those below them to take down other thetans they felt was a threat ... but more so everyone who has no power has had this put in them ... their first reaction is to take down the big being .... now I see it all ..he and those from base 2 knew they were being infiltrated ...and he cancelled the operation ... so I would not get trapped in that game ...

wow .. what a blow down .... you can see on this website that people have a button on spiritual power ... because they have been trained in that direction to take down a big being

thanks ... I wonder ... I am still blowing down ... take a break .. answer the rest later

thanks for this

jim

[wegge]

Here is something about the partnership of Hubbard and Jack Parsons which revolves around the Babalon Working, inspired by Aleister Crowley.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post659890

[northstar]

Posted by judymoon (here)

However, Jim doesn't sound grounded, or healed or even all that sane, to me. No offense intended.
...

My discernment is telling me something is 'off' here. Not sure what it is.

Yes, I am intersted in the concept of 'opening the vast interior door' of who I am. But not if it means ending up like Jim. (!) And that is just my personal, possibily unenlightened preference.

Perhaps this method of spiritual evolution needs a different spokesman? To me Jim seems like a innocent and trusting lost soul, in the middle of a tornado of confliciting ideas, strange beliefs, and miraculous and non-understandable phenomenon. (forgive my spelling)
....

Discernment - AKA being able to separate the signal from the noise.

I read the the first post on this thread and I was left cold due to the rambling, disjointed delivery of the message. I went to other threads. After Bill's post about " Q and A about Ron Hubbard..." I realized that something was being stirred up on the PA forum and I went back and read the entire "LRH (L. Ron Hubbard)" thread.

Part of me said "just leave this alone" but part of me wants to contribute my 2 cents worth, so I will do that. Whenever I post anything here at PA I am cognizant that the message is not just for PA members, and not even just for nonmembers who visit and read. What we create and post here has the potential to literally change the world.

Kindly take a moment or two and quietly reflect on that.

I hope my words won't upset anyone but at the same time I will speak my truth plainly.

I think it is helpful to look at Jim's posts here by using the conceptual frame of signal and noise. While Jim makes some fascinating ideas and claims, the delivery of the message is so rambling and disjointed that people are not getting it. Basically, the signal (his message) is lost and ineffective due to too much static noise (garbled grammar, unncommected ideas etc.).

What I am going to say now will not be popular but I feel it needs to be said.

I have experienced a plethora of paranormal events in my life. I have no problem with many of the concepts and ideas that Jim has shared here. I do, however, have a problem with how they are being delivered.

I have also had first hand, personal experience with many people who suffer from severe mental illness and they often communicate in a manner exactly the way Jim does here. I do not say this to stigmatize Jim or any person who suffers from severe mental illness and I certainly do not say this to challenge his ideas. I am totally OK and open to unusual ideas.

However, if someone presents to me as a person who is in the throes of psychosis I must necessarily take that into consideration, And I say this as a person who has up close and personal experience with many individuals who live with bipolar, schizophrenia and other severe mental illnesses. And based on my experience when someone in psychosis is conveying a long, rambling and disjointed narrative of their grand delusions of (" fill in the blank ") I treat them with kindness and I wait until they are well managed with an appropriate medical intervention before I have a conversation with them.

And I think that is what we need to do here.

[Padmé]

Why has my actual post, my response to Jiminii and his subsequent post been removed?????????? It doesnt even show up on the list when you go via my profile...

[Sierra]

Posted by Padmé (here)
Why has my actual post, my response to Jiminii and his subsequent post been removed?????????? It doesnt even show up on the list when you go via my profile...

Mod hat on.

Slow learner much? https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post676309

They were deleted for excessive hostility, same as the 20 posts yesterday, deleted by Paul on the other LRH thread.

Negative, nasty and hostile. Enough. One full day of nastiness on multiple threads is enough. You've made your intent perfectly clear.

I find this thread extremely valuable and I am tired of the tension you create.

The universe ANSWERS and when listening to the experience just described, I can SEE how awake and aware a beginner at this stuff must be. Truth is valuable. There *are* no classes in this stuff, Admiral Holder said the reason the PTB are terrified of us finding our power is the chaos that will ensue, and here, you have a small tiny example. Some Avalon members can control weather, others "accidentally or otherwise" break streetlamps walking down the street. We are at the time, where these events are going to increase among the population, and your attempting to short circuit the sharing here with rude arrogant behavior is not acceptable.

Back off.

Padme, you have been given permission to talk to Bill individually, which is a rare event. Take advantage of it instead of now twisting your words to a personal attack on Jimini's experiences. Get off the thread, and quit making it a negative experience for everyone else interested in the subject.

Start your own thread, "Why I hate Scientology" if you need to keep it up.

Keep it up here, and I'll remove your posts as Paul removed your posts on the other LRH thread. Keep it up further, and I am pretty sure you will be sent on vacation.

Mod hat off.

Sierra

[Sierra]

Posted by northstar (here)

Discernment - AKA being able to separate the signal from the noise.

I read the the first post on this thread and I was left cold due to the rambling, disjointed delivery of the message. I went to other threads. After Bill's post about " Q and A about Ron Hubbard..." I realized that something was being stirred up on the PA forum and I went back and read the entire "LRH (L. Ron Hubbard)" thread.

Part of me said "just leave this alone" but part of me wants to contribute my 2 cents worth, so I will do that. Whenever I post anything here at PA I am cognizant that the message is not just for PA members, and not even just for nonmembers who visit and read. What we create and post here has the potential to literally change the world.

Kindly take a moment or two and quietly reflect on that.

I hope my words won't upset anyone but at the same time I will speak my truth plainly.

I think it is helpful to look at Jim's posts here by using the conceptual frame of signal and noise. While Jim makes some fascinating ideas and claims, the delivery of the message is so rambling and disjointed that people are not getting it. Basically, the signal (his message) is lost and ineffective due to too much static noise (garbled grammar, unncommected ideas etc.).

What I am going to say now will not be popular but I feel it needs to be said.

I have experienced a plethora of paranormal events in my life. I have no problem with many of the concepts and ideas that Jim has shared here. I do, however, have a problem with how they are being delivered.

I have also had first hand, personal experience with many people who suffer from severe mental illness and they often communicate in a manner exactly the way Jim does here. I do not say this to stigmatize Jim or any person who suffers from severe mental illness and I certainly do not say this to challenge his ideas. I am totally OK and open to unusual ideas.

However, if someone presents to me as a person who is in the throes of psychosis I must necessarily take that into consideration, And I say this as a person who has up close and personal experience with many individuals who live with bipolar, schizophrenia and other severe mental illnesses. And based on my experience when someone in psychosis is conveying a long, rambling and disjointed narrative of their grand delusions of (" fill in the blank ") I treat them with kindness and I wait until they are well managed with an appropriate medical intervention before I have a conversation with them.

And I think that is what we need to do here.

Shifting altered states, looks like psychosis to an outsider. I have no problem with nuts that are gentle, humble and attempt to answer questions honestly, while ignoring excessive hostility. Going around calling someone nuts, should start off in private first yes? To mods first yes?

And if you read the last two pages, you will see that questions *are* being answered, people *are* getting it, so your concern for Avalon's reputation while appreciated (and Bill Rryan whose house this is, knows who is in the living room), needs to be expressed in a way that does not blanket judge a fellow member as "insane".

Jimini is a brand new member, not familiar with Avalon ways, broaching a very hot subject from the experiental perspective, not a programmed_by_Scientology perspective, though he uses the language he knows ...

Thanks, Sierra who also along with one million others, might be a matteyya god nut ... (Avalon is the place for them lol!)