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Posted by Fred Steeves
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Is it a question that just shouldn't be asked? Is it a challenge to a claim or info given? Is it pointing out inconsistencies, discrepancies, or red flags, and asking how come? Is it an unconscious engram being restimulated, that simply needs to be audited? Is it wondering why the sudden avalanche of Scientology tech here, starting with the introduction of a previously unknown Scientology super hero? Is it wondering why we suddenly have to have a new leader figure to guide us young'uns out of the briar patch?
Hey Fred,
You know what really perplexes me?
Well, it´s the undeniable fact that such subject gained that much traction here based on huge, unverifiable and unfounded claims made by someone who believes to be the second coming of Jesus or something close to it.
This is really impressive; If there was an yearly gullibility award, PA would be a serious candidate to win it.
Raf -- I really understand.
But Simon Parkes claims experiences that can't be proved. Inelia told astonishing stories that can't be proved (including many that were never published: we edited them out of her interview because they were too sensational).
Clif High's calculated predictions can't be proved. (Has anyone checked his math?!) David Icke can't prove his experience when he took ayahuasca in Peru a few years ago and listened to a discarnate women talking to him for many hours.
I saw an ET physically appear in my bedroom in 1984. I can't prove that, either. Neither can Jake prove any of his OBEs.
Henry Deacon can't prove he's been to Mars.
In fact -- the world is FULL of astonishing personal experiences. Most of the most important experiences in
anyone's life can't be 'proved'.
But that doesn't mean that someone should not be frustrated or confused at all the bewildering claims. So that's why I understand.
All people can do -- if they can find the courage -- is report their experience. It took over 20 years for me to summon the courage to report my ET experience to anyone other than a couple of friends.
That's why Avalon is an exceptional community: because in the 50,000+ threads we have here, there are hundreds -- maybe thousands -- of personal posts where people have trusted the community enough to share their crazy unprovable stories.
Raf, remember the spiders you 'saw'? That's one example of many. (I won't ask you to prove it! I do
not believe you were lying or deluded. But by sharing that story, you actually helped many others who were trying to makes sense of their
own experiences.) That's why this is important.
We're all story-telling here, round the campfire -- and that is a time-honored, ancient tradition. Any student of traditional cultures knows that story-telling is a really important activity -- and is not trivial at all. If people learn from the stories... that's what is important.
We do need to be scientists, and I have the deepest respect for you for that commitment within yourself -- but there's also much more to life and experience than just that. Sometimes, we may never know the truth... but can learn from it nonetheless.
Jiminii Crickets(kidding of course) trying to keep up here with all these new threads! Sorry for my late comment.
Can I add something here? Correct me if I'm wrong- Raf I've enjoyed reading your posts for quite some time, but I see an issue where you struggle with specific types of information. The impression I get from reading your posts for the past year is that you are a person who has to see it, touch it, feel it, or taste it, otherwise it doesn't exist. This is a 3D(dimension) belief system and quite common. I've noticed the same expectation from several posters on this forum. I've even asked some of them what kind of proof do they need to believe. In one particular situation, the forum member couldn't answer the question which said to me, they will be searching their entire life because if they can't identify what they consider to be undeniable proof, they will never believe in anything. IMO, this is part of the programming we've been subjected to believe for eons of time. What I've discovered is what we've been taught to believe as real is not necessarily what's real........what's real are often things that we cannot see or touch and cannot be placed within the 3D box belief system described above.
Making this more challenging for yourself, you have commented to me that you don't believe in anything. Well if you don't believe in anything, you will never believe period if you remain steadfast in this direction, so many of these threads on Avalon will be frustrating for you. Might I add that 'not believing in anything' is still a belief.
As some can see, much of what is being discovered to be true, does not fit into the belief system of a 3D paradigm, and as you've probably noticed, the science has not completely caught up. Belief systems are what create realities. If you consistently try to put things under the 3D microscope they will not be real in your reality. I like to use this example a lot because everyone can relate.....Do you dream? and of course you would say 'yes'....my next question would be, prove it! Well this is a no brainer as we know dreams are real, even though we can't physically see everybody's dreams. Many experiences being discussed on Jiminii's threads are subjective in the same manner. This is what's real! This is living in multi-dimensionality. As long as you insist on not believing it will never be real for you. What is it that you fear? Are you afraid that you'll be duped? There is nothing to fear, you cannot make a mistake. Instead of not believing, I like to suggest "shift your set of beliefs as new truths come forward."
I'm just trying to help you connect the dots and I keep hoping whether it be me or someone else, that we say something in a manner that registers and creates that missing link to aid in your understanding. I'm not picking on you, I just want to try and help. If you want out of this 3D paradigm you have to stop thinking with 3D belief systems. We have discussed Epigenetics in the past and I feel the principles behind this science will give you the validation you seek, which is why I shared it with you in the first place. They have done valid scientific studies; you mustn't ignore this fact as it will help you grow in your understanding with the variety of topics discussed on this forum. The tug and pull we are all feeling at times I believe comes from different levels of understanding, where some have shifted their belief systems to match the new truths and others who still insist on applying 3D principles to metaphysical experiences which do not necessarily perform under the antiquated beliefs of a 3D reality.
On a side note, I do understand your reservation towards Jiminii because he's so new to this forum;....you are "vetting" this individual which I think is important to do with anyone. That being said, it does not mean what he's sharing isn't real just because we don't necessarily know who he is or what he's all about. I have yet to get the impression that he thinks he's the "second coming of Christ", but what I see him saying is the same as myself and what I revealed in "The Solutions" thread and that is the "second coming" is you! You have the ability to do the same things he can do, but if you don't believe you will continue on with the 3D status quo. That is the message, many will fail to see if they insist on maintaining the belief systems that enforce powerlessness and reliance of others for one's comfort and existence.
C'mon Raf!!! you're so smart.....I want to take your hand and jump off the cliff with you to help get you over this hurdle. Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding your point of view due to not being able to speak face to face; all I have to go on is the observation of past posts which have lead me to believe that you are more comfortable living under the confines of a 3D belief system which is your right, but many of us are pulling away and embracing new realities that show potential to enhance our world in ways we could have never imagined.
Alright, well I have about 20 more pages to read on the other thread in order to catch up, thanks for listening.
PS As you well know this is what I mean by dimension,
NOT the 3D definition which describes the spatial aspects of what a dimension can be. This is a Public Service Announcement and it should be noted that the word police were not contacted and asked for permission to use the definition below. I have chosen to be my own person of moral authority regarding this matter. May the regular scheduled programming
not commence from this point forward.....lmao.
DIMENSION- A dimension is a state of consciousness. When you look at what we know about dimensions, what we find is that each is about a unique set of beliefs. Our current 3D consciousness was not established until enough people began to believe the same way. And the current 5D consciousness will not be established until enough of the people existing there figure out how to live in unity. So we see that when enough people live a set of beliefs they create a dimension.
Re: Q and A about Ron Hubbard, Bill Robertson, Scientology, the Free Zone and Ron's Org
. What I get is that LRH went as far as he could with his technology....but he was missing a key ingredient in the return to wholeness...HEART. Humility, compassion and the ability to let go and be, reside in the heart. I have found that when I allow myself to drop into my heart I feel connected to something much bigger than myself; in this space I no longer feel the need to push, to control, to be important, to dominate.
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