Solipsism, the biggest spiritual Con.

[ghostrider]

I thought I was real , then it turned out I was an illusion ... your all alseep in tube a goo ,in a giant tower , being used as batteries to make more of you to power the tower making more you ... nothing exsist outside of your mind ... then who built the mind ???

[mosquito]

Welcome back Roman, seeing your post brought a smile to my face

What a shame this thread seems to be about to turn into a pseudo-philosophical linguistic mind f*ck, solipsism is easiest to understand as - "me me me", so as Norman said, it's all about the personal ego, but it goes beyond that, and includes ....

My country, right or wrong,
Humans are god's greatest creation,
I have a mission (that's sure as hell going to piss some people off),
Our holy book is better than your holy book,
I am a god,
I'm invincible,
The angels are watching over me,
We have to save American/British/French etc. lives (at the expense of others).

In other words - anything which places "me" or whichever group "I" belong to at the centre of the universe. So, like every other principle, it expqands and embraces human activity wherever it may be, it's not just a dictionary definition or a topic for philosophers to ponder.

If a tree falls in a forest, and no one is around to witness it....

This, and schrodinger's cat, are PERFECT examples of how solipsism operates within mainstream science !!!!! Who says that man is the only conscious creature ? Who says that ONLY MAN counts as an observer ? When the tree falls ....

a) it observes itsself,
b) it's observed by every other living creature in the forest, and
c) it's observed BY THE UNIVERSE !

Likewise, the metaphorical cat is, despite what biologists think, aware of, and therefore observing itself, and is being "observed" by the universe.

[DeDukshyn]

To add more to this thread the mother of my kids used humour the idea that she was the only "real" person and that everyone was created for her experiences ... she believed this as a small child .. not so much anymore though. Either way a fascinating concept ....

[CD7]

Its the study of being sloppy

[WhiteFeather]

Yes, welcome back Roman. Missed your threads that made us think in this tank. Good to see you back on the Mothership again.

[skippy]

Posted by bruno dante (here)
If a tree falls in a forest, and no one is around to witness it....

It's all connected and one. The above example can be root-cause for a tornado 2000 miles further on. Chaos-theory and the butterfly effect, i.e. something as small as the flutter of a butterfly's wing can ultimately cause a typhoon halfway around the world.

"The self does not have simple location. This is why you are brother's keeper. That's why we all are responsible for each other. The idea that what happens in distant parts of the world makes no claim on my moral judgment or my moral understanding, is wrong. The wrong as revealed by quantum physics, as revealed by electronic experience is what Leibniz called a plenum. It's all one thing. It's all connected, it's all of a part." Terence Mckenna: Psychedelics in the Age of Intelligent Machines.

[Rich]

One has to consider that thoughts about 'oneself' are, in as much just thought as thoughts about 'other'. If not it leads to selfishness imo.

[ROMANWKT]

Hi again to you all, and thank you for all your inputs.

Many have a good concept of Solipsism, and many don't, I did not myself understand the depth and the great unbalanced consequences of this paradigm, and how it boarders from the left brain hemisphere and the opposite to the right hemisphere.

The old saying Man know thy self, is of most importance, and if there be anything as truth as I myself have denied its existence on this forum, it is then part of this great disinformation that all seeker of the truth come against, and many top names are still selling this idea even today, for that very reason we are NOT the holders of truth about ourselves and our reality.

A month ago or so. I fell in love with a young guy, hehehe not like that, but his knowledge base which is brilliant. He is a genuine Occultist who became a priest working with the hidden to evolve himself further, what surprised him and made him realize that the controllers were using the Occult to enslave humanity, and have been using this for thousands of years against us all.

He removed himself and now has made it his mission to teach humanity how to achieve our right to our free will and freedom against our oppressors, and no, he did not go and join Jesus as all the others start to tell people after they left their Occult friends. He is still an Occultist, and moves with the hidden knowledge to evolve himself further.

Some of you will know him or heard of him, I could also explain his teachings to you, but will not, as you should all get to know him and follow this guys understanding. He has his own website and all his videos are there for free, all the radio mp3s are there for free, there are about 140 two hour sessions teachings, at the moment we are only interested from lecture 1 to 4, he is not into this for the money, he sells nothing, you only pay if you go to his lectures to pay for the hall hire, he is in Philadelphia USA.

To understand properly about yourself and the truth about what is real and what is not, that there is a dividing line between belief, truth, reality, and illusions. Which to many as myself thought that this could not exist, but I am happy to say now that it most defiantly exists, and it's crucial understanding for us all.

I will put up No 4 mp3 first, and after that one should start with No 1 and move on up. I am putting No 4 first so you will understand the importance of the other 3, and this one will explain the imbalance caused in humanity by our controllers, making all of us believe in Solipsism.

He will introduce himself in the lecture, and his website address is on the link below.

I hope you will all understand that I would not be doing this, or even be here, if I did not believe in its importance. Through his lectures on his podcast, you are going to find all the answer to your very existence and your ongoing evolution, which most defiantly is being interfered with by mind control by the controllers, mind control Occult wise is his forte.


Regards to you all, and thank you.

Roman


http://www.whatonearthishappening.co.../WOEIH-004.mp3

[crosby]

thanks ROMAN, I am listening now. will be back for further discussion later.
warmest regards, corson

[InCiDeR]

The limits of the language and use of words collapse the discussion of Solipsism into itself.

Philosophy explanation: The theory that only the self exists, or can be proved to exist.

This explanation use the word self. By using the word self in the explanation, the explanation insinuates that something exists that is not self. Otherwise would not the word self exists.

Does exist exists?


I wrote this in another thread:

Does "existence" exist?

In some statements, existence is implied without being mentioned. The statement "A bridge crosses the Thames at Hammersmith" cannot just be about a bridge, the Thames, and Hammersmith. It must be about "existence" as well.

On the other hand, the statement "A bridge crosses the Styx at Limbo" has the same form, but while in the first case we understand a real bridge in the real world made of stone or brick, what "existence" would mean in the second case is less clear.


Does exist exists?

Do I exist just because there "exists" a word in our language - Exist - that I/we agreed upon?

In so, if the word "Exist" exists there must be a common sense of "exist" in my/our body/mind/spirit complex otherwise the word "Exist" and the common sense of it have no meaning and therefore does not exist.

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Pof... InCiDeR cease to exist in a logical quantum cloud loop that might or might not exist

[northstar]

I have been an admirer of Mark Passio's work for quite some time, especially his ideas on Natural Law.
One very interesting fact about Mark is that he is a former Satanist and so when he speaks about evil, his words carry authority because he has "been there". If anyone is disturbed by his Satanic connection, Mark makes it very clear that he has completely renounced Satanism.

I recommend watching his four foundational "What on Earth is Happening" videos to start, because they will give you a good sense of what he is all about.

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/videos

[ROMANWKT]

http://www.whatonearthishappening.co.../WOEIH-001.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.co.../WOEIH-002.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.co.../WOEIH-003.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.co.../WOEIH-004.mp3

Regards

roman

[Kiforall]

I think your timing for this thread, roman, on my journey and manipulations I have witnessed, is perfect.

(whilst listening to the first part of 001 mp3)

Just thinking about the "consciousness" and the question "why?"

and how by asking why takes you into a awareness of the truth, made me think about Solipsism being "why not."

If you are to live by the laws of nature you must be able to answer why or be willing to at least attempt to find the manipulation of the truth, to become a seeker to the knowledge of the occult, the knowledge hidden from us for thousands of years. The consciousness is fighting for us to ask why? and we are being programmed from being children to stop asking why all the time.

Recently I've been asking myself "why" quite a bit.

Mostly why do certain things make me respond negatively.

I wonder if only God can give the answer "why not"

I would find that very amusing..........

Thanks again for this thread x

[crosby]

so, after listening to the 4th segment and thinking about it overnight i have come to the conclusion that the randomness world theory vs. the determinism world view are very prevalent within our world. i am definitely still learning some things that others here may already have recognized, and i thank you all in advance for your patience with me as i may hold back the conversation a bit.

i see how solipsism works from the randomness world view and i think i understand it from that perspective. one question that i have is, if determinism is the opposite world view of randomness, what would the opposite component of solipsism be from that perspective? what would a more balanced world perspective be? how do we work towards this perspective as a collective?
warmest regards, corson

[Flash]

I prefer the first mp3 to the fourth personnally, but really interesting (i just find the talk a bit long, and sometimes repetitive, but very interesting).

One thing that hit me is that the Milgram experiment in the 60's had 85% of regular folks ending up killing the subject (actor) with electricity because they had been ordered to do it by someone in authorities, the experiment has been reproduced lately it is now well over the 90% that killed the subject. We are getting worst.

[ROMANWKT]

I cant help telling you all that if you are not listening to these recording, you are missing all the dots that connects all that is happening in this reality by the controllers of our minds, to break out you need to understand.

If you are a novice to this kind of teaching that is profound and given by somebody who has first hand knowledge of the controllers agenda and mentality, it is as today a most important knowledge that is required by all of us, as to who and what are we and how do we exist on this plane.

knowledge that is and has been hidden from all of us, and has been a struggle to get to connect all the knowledge together by all of us, he Mark Passio divulges all.

Its a great work, by a very methodical teacher, you all really need to know, I too thought I understood most of it, but this is really complete, and will most defiantly fill all the holes in our understanding, start with No 1 and we progressively move on to the whole truth that the law of reality does exist, and that there are grave consequences to all of us by our ignorance.

http://www.whatonearthishappening.co.../WOEIH-005.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.co.../WOEIH-006.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.co.../WOEIH-007.mp3

http://www.whatonearthishappening.co.../WOEIH-008.mp3

Warmest regards as ever

roman

[Orph]

I listened to the first one, and there is some really good info in there. Problem is, for every one minute of information, there is five minutes of talking in circles. I'll continue on, because, if nothing else, my curiosity has been piqued. Kinda wish it was in written form though. (Hmm. Do I complain too much)?

Edit: The above comment is for the first podcast only.

[Flash]

i agree, i connected quite a few dots just from 1-2-3

The videos on his website are quite good too because we see the famous pictures and symbols everyone talks about.

[Rich]

Hi Roman,
What caused you to make the claim that solipsism is the biggest spiritual con?
And what do you think solipsism is?

Google says:

The view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist.

Did anyone ever experience something they didn't experience?

I don't see anything wrong with it except that this 'self' that most people understand is referring to the ego/body and in that case would be a destructive theory, taking a thought as real...?
As soon as we say self we already objectevy it, making it a thought.

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by EmEx (here)
Hi Roman,
What caused you to make the claim that solipsism is the biggest spiritual con?
And what do you think solipsism is?

Google says:

The view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist.

Did anyone ever experience something they didn't experience?

I don't see anything wrong with it except that this 'self' that most people understand is referring to the ego/body and in that case would be a destructive theory, taking a thought as real...?
As soon as we say self we already objectevy it, making it a thought.

Hi EmEx

You obviously had not listened to the recording, which I think bases on to correct understanding, that those that lean on to the left brain and those that lean to the right brain require belief, which is part of the illusion,solipsism, those that are balanced, work from the bridge between the two spheres which would be your third eye, requiring no belief to achieve spiritual evolution by the universal law which exists with you or without you, and you are bound by it, if you know of it, or if you don't know of it, if you believe it or not, even if you think it does not exist, without which you would be a solipsist.

Regards to you EmEx

roman


Edit update: Please remember all, that this is dealing with all the thing that have been hidden from us all, at the beginning it may make no sense, then slowly you will understand why it has been hidden from humanity for thousands of years.