Q and A about Ron Hubbard, Bill Robertson, Scientology, the Free Zone and Ron's Org

[jiminii]

Posted by johnf (here)
I have a question concerning the works of L. Kin. (again with the L!)

Has anyone here studied these, or know anyone who has studied these
and gotten themselves or others through these levels?

http://www.freezoneearth.org/lkin/

trey lotz was doing the L's on some PC's in Los Angeles
jim

[johnf]

Posted by jiminii (here)

Posted by johnf (here)
I have a question concerning the works of L. Kin. (again with the L!)

Has anyone here studied these, or know anyone who has studied these
and gotten themselves or others through these levels?

http://www.freezoneearth.org/lkin/

trey lotz was doing the L's on some PC's in Los Angeles
jim

The L rundowns? Or using L.Kins books to get people through the upper levels?

jf

[jiminii]

Posted by johnf (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)

Posted by johnf (here)
I have a question concerning the works of L. Kin. (again with the L!)

Has anyone here studied these, or know anyone who has studied these
and gotten themselves or others through these levels?

http://www.freezoneearth.org/lkin/

trey lotz was doing the L's on some PC's in Los Angeles
jim

The L rundowns? Or using L.Kins books to get people through the upper levels?

jf

oh I see
jim

[gralsfighter]

These techniques ar in parts the same as Excalibur in Rons Org.
They are designed to solve the lack of OT 5 in the church.

L.Kin do today http://www.mindwalking.de/en/index.htm
Maybe his research is now advanced.

Doing the auditing from his book without a C/S is more than risky
gralsfighter

[gralsfighter]

Posted by jiminii (here)
hahahaha

LOL

Posted by jiminii (here)
there is only one problem with this ... someone might get jealous and shoot me out of the sky ...

There is maybe only one problem : you don't want to be there for trillions of years HAHAHA

[jiminii]

[QUOTE Posted by Laura Elina (here)]
I didn't come here to die for the revolution, I came here to live it (as long as I can). It took me a while to understand that I don't have to be in the avant-garde to be able to accomplish valuable things.[/QUOTE]

After I located many of my other timelines ... and these millions of timelines we created to come back to this time created out of Theta (the static the spirit itself) I understood part of what we were doing ... but the problem was the time factor ... when all these timelines I became aware of I was looking from the viewpoint of being created at this point in time .... but the picture was still not clear yet ... until I listened to alex collier september 2012 .. on internet radio and he said this time period we are in now has already happened ,,. and we are redoing it. this opened the door for me .. I saw everything .. we are here in this time to align more entheta (enturbulated thought) and return it back to theta which goes back to the collective .. and by doing so more entities will turn to the light .... now ... so many people are worried about this and that and how it will all go ... but I will give you a viewpoint I had when I learned about myself being created right out of source and sent here.... there is no memory system that can record pictures 25 a second ... this means there is nothing that can trap me to this planet ... the people being trapped are those who still have an automatic recording system ... this part of a spirit is the only part that the spirit carries from lifetime to lifetime ... it is the only part they can use to trigger anyone back into the implant stations to keep you prisoner on this planet ... what they do is attach some kind of beam to connect to this memory that is recorded in some king of physical universe MEST (matter energy space and time) .. and they use all kinds of tricks to trick you into the implant station ,.. like pull this MIND of anyone's into the implant station and makes the spirit think it is loosing it's mind and it follows this MIND into the implant station and they will KNOCK OUT the spirit and flood him full of garbage ... but they can only do this if we have an automatic recording system
if we are from the future which I think a lot are on this website ... we don't have this MIND ... so we can not be trapped between lifetimes again ... we are only here to help others ... and we have another body we are managing in the future ... these are our guides and they will make sure we are not trapped here ..

so this is a game ... the stakes are helping all of those we can to return to the light ... we are doing that ... so please keep it fun like a game .. and we will win ... make it serious and the game is much harder to play

jim

PS. the plans for this planet will be to make a base here where we can train and go out on missions and help all the other entities in the Galaxies to turn over to light ... this IS the game and you will say "why didn't they tell you this before we were sent here? ... well that is part of coming here .. to operate on this planet you will lose your memories when you come here .. with the hope that they will return to you in the future.

[johnf]

Posted by gralsfighter (here)
These techniques ar in parts the same as Excalibur in Rons Org.
They are designed to solve the lack of OT 5 in the church.

L.Kin do today http://www.mindwalking.de/en/index.htm
Maybe his research is now advanced.

Doing the auditing from his book without a C/S is more than risky
gralsfighter

Thanks, Gralsfighter , I fugured getting a competent cs, as well as co auditor would be the big task.
The statement about lack of OT 5 is confusing, as I know that as audited NOTS, and as I understand it Excalibur is the best answer to that whole shebang.
Actually I just reread this and you do mention excal in yer answer so, just thank you.
jf

[webyourstuff]

Posted by bram (here)

LRH was put pressure on to leave out past lives from the Dianetics data and procedure as being "too far out." His only regret about the book.

It is still "too far out" for a large portion of the population as reflected by the debates happening on this forum with the threads dealing with re-incarnation.

Ah, thanks for this. This makes a lot of sense because reading the book it is clear that he was still expecting Dianetics to be accepted at some point by the mainstream 'scientific' establishment. However, I don't see how he could have expected to maintain the integrity of the theory without going back into past lives. Seems like a pretty big compromise to make- after all, the truth is the truth is the truth.....[/QUOTE]

I remember seeing somewhere (sorry, don't remember where) Hubbard saying (well after Dianetics was written) that he had noticed that when a person was allowed to take up past lives in session, they did much better than people who had been denied that right (believing at the time that the past life material were fake memories).

[webyourstuff]

Posted by sdafnom (here)

Posted by bram (here)

Nope. The book specifically states that the timeline begins at conception, and extends to the present moment.

Love, bram

My question is... which is the conception that the reference is made to?

The incarnate one or the birth of the soul?

In ancient teachings is it said that the soul is conceived in the heart of the stars and starts its journey from there to its own evolution. Is it possible that LRH was implying that?

No idea...

Stavros

I didn't look back. But I presume Bram was talking about the Dianetics book. In that book, conception specifically refers to the meeting of the sperm and the egg.

[webyourstuff]

Posted by Bhusunda (here)
This all resonates strongly in me and I want to dig deeper into it.
When I started to write down my life a few years ago, I got a huge boost from it, and literally made a jump in creativity and joy.
How much more must that be the case if one goes into more detail.

I am reading the book Self Analysis from Ron now as a PDF and it speaks of a disc one should use. Anyone has an idea how this disc looks like so I can reproduce it?

Apart from that the technique reminds me much of Castaneda's 'recapitulation' (Acitive Side of Infinity, Pg.142):

Someone else can give you a better answer. I don't have one, and am going by memory.

It looks like a notched wheel. Paper or cardboard. And a small wheel attached to it. Phrases are written on the small wheel. As you spin the wheel around, the phrase shows up in a window cut into the large wheel. The large wheel has words written on the notches.

You read down the Self Analysis book. For every line, you take a word and a phase from the wheel, and consider those things in relation to the line in the book.

Not the full answer you need. I hope someone comes up with a better description.
written on it. There is a list of those words in the book somewhere, probably in the appendix in the back.

[wegge]

Jim is more interested than he is interesting

[Hervé]

Posted by webyourstuff (here)

Posted by Bhusunda (here)

I am reading the book Self Analysis from Ron now as a PDF and it speaks of a disc one should use. Anyone has an idea how this disc looks like so I can reproduce it?

[...]

Someone else can give you a better answer. I don't have one, and am going by memory.

[...]

Hi webyourstuff,

Thank you for helping with answering questions.

It would probably help you and save you some time to read the thread a few pages ahead to see if the answer has already been provided...

... in this case:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Bhusunda (here)
[...]

I am reading the book Self Analysis from Ron now as a PDF and it speaks of a disc one should use. Anyone has an idea how this disc looks like so I can reproduce it?

[...]

See this post <--- (click)

Or here:

http://projectavalon.net/Self_Analysis.pdf

In the case of the PDF above, the direction on how to proceed without a disk is given on page 47 (book pagination), i.e. page 43 of the PDF, in the section "Important: How to use the disk."

[Sidney]

I have only had a short look at the Self Analysis book. Looks interesting and beneficial. I am so backed up on reading/viewing vids etc. its not even funny. But IMO, if they taught this stuff at an early age, no one would need anti depressant medication.

[webyourstuff]

Posted by jiminii (here)

So... Jim... did you get your wife out???? Or did she chose to stay there?

I found SOCO INT .. NOW IS CALLED ABLE .. SOCO is social coordination international ... changed name to ABLE
I got her transfered to SOCO INT ... and then this Sue Embeck OT 5 was trying to get her to go to open up an org in Japan ,. she had a japanese husband
she can't speak japanese and he can't speak english ... I tell her what I can do with STATS and she thinks I am nuts ... even if I prove it 4 times they will think you are nuts if you say it ... the Public Officer at SOCO was mad at me because when I transfered her it was on an agreement that we would be sent to do a mission in japan and she was getting his stats up and so he was constantly 3rd partying me to Sue Embeck (sue embeck told me) .. and my japanese wife was changed from SOCO INT to work with sue on her business before she goes to japan ... she comes and gets my wife and moves her to her house and doesn't let me see her ,... she just steals the wife ...

she thinks this is ok

jim

Too f---ing weird! But then, I had long notice there was no respect for the 2D.. (or friends, family, hobbies, talents, staff member property or anything but stats for that matter). Well - "life is in you today and you make your tomorrow"! My best to you!

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Posted by jiminii (here)
I am thinking I could get more results in my next life ... if I mock up wings in the womb of my mother .. then people will definitely listen to me ,.. they won't know where the wings came from ,.. and they would believe anything I say ..
hahahaha

there is only one problem with this ... someone might get jealous and shoot me out of the sky ...


jim

Hahahaha! I like that I, too think about next life, and how I would get it off on a better foot.

[webyourstuff]

Bill- Many many thanks for starting this thread. This is all stuff I have needed to open up on for years. You succeeded in bringing the subject into the open on a secular website. And also thanks to all the various contributors. I feel like I am finally home.

[jiminii]

Posted by webyourstuff (here)

Posted by Bhusunda (here)
This all resonates strongly in me and I want to dig deeper into it.
When I started to write down my life a few years ago, I got a huge boost from it, and literally made a jump in creativity and joy.
How much more must that be the case if one goes into more detail.

I am reading the book Self Analysis from Ron now as a PDF and it speaks of a disc one should use. Anyone has an idea how this disc looks like so I can reproduce it?

Apart from that the technique reminds me much of Castaneda's 'recapitulation' (Acitive Side of Infinity, Pg.142):

Someone else can give you a better answer. I don't have one, and am going by memory.

It looks like a notched wheel. Paper or cardboard. And a small wheel attached to it. Phrases are written on the small wheel. As you spin the wheel around, the phrase shows up in a window cut into the large wheel. The large wheel has words written on the notches.

You read down the Self Analysis book. For every line, you take a word and a phase from the wheel, and consider those things in relation to the line in the book.

Not the full answer you need. I hope someone comes up with a better description.
written on it. There is a list of those words in the book somewhere, probably in the appendix in the back.

it would be like recall a time when you were happy ... what color did you get in that recall? .. then you might change it to smell .. or touch or lighting ... just changing the recall to get more perceptions of the incident so you can get better at recalling your past memories

jim

[jiminii]

the way I see it is like this ... after learning about my other timelines ... and the millions we sent back to align this part of the game ... it really isn't so necessary to get everyone enlightened ... the mistake we made was in the design ... this mind that records 25 pictures a second and doesn't take responsibility for what happens when the person is hurt and records all the data as one big huge mess with hypnotic commands from just the words people will say when they are unconscious ... so by sending new spirits back with this mind removed .. we go back to our basic knowingness ... we didn't need that mind ... that mind has caused hell for the longest period of time than anything ever created before .. we can do very well on the spirits ability to just KNOW ... doesn't need a mind ... that is full of booby traps he carries from lifetime to lifetime ...

and it worked ... maybe no one sees it yet .. but I can say from what I am getting from my future timeline is this ... It worked ... so doesn't matter what people think about any alien take over .. they are also using this same mind as everyone and every other alien is through out this universe we are in ... and they all want the same as us .. they want to be free from this hell too ...so it became a conquest for this planet ... but truth is ... the millions that were sent back do not have a time track of more than 80 trillions of years of endless pain ... so LRH said .. there never was an OT (operating thetan) there were only Key'd out OT's ... means they had a release from the electrical charge that caused them not to be OT's .. the Ot's are the beings capable of creating a universe like this ... but now we have true OT's that were and are being sent back from the future created NEW ... and they are here like all baby OTs ... they are newly made OT's (operating thetans) with no experience ...

so you might find you are one of them ... but if you are not ... it doesn't mean you will not eventually be one ... that would be a mistake ... not allowing everyone to start new with all the pain removed ... but this time ... a more educated spirit

yes ... this is why when trey asked the question "who is holding your aberrations in place" ... will find all the other timelines I have .. so the being I am .. has aberrations .,. but they come from my other timelines and also what I have to confront on this planet and around this planet .and my timelines in the future are auditing out the aberrations of my other timelines so eventually all of me will be .. but the purity of beingness .. "the light" .. that is here ... doesn't necessarily have to be ONLY coming from Scientology ,,, it is coming from ALL the millions of spirits .. that were sent back .. whatever their think is ... they WILL align this planet and we WILL BE FREE AGAIN ... and happy little spirits ...

to all a good future

jim

[fourty-two]

Hi Jim
Thanks for all you do.
In post 337 there is a line that states.. the mistake we made was in the design………and records all the data as one big huge mess with hypnotic commands from just the words people will say when they are unconscious
Other people saying words while we are unconscious?
Or we say words while we are unconscious?
Could you please clarify this a bit more

[johnf]

Jimini's presence here has put my attention on something.
That feels kinda like this. I saw this on Ulli's here and now thread.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-4EDhdAHrOg

But I am a guy so I want to talk about the nail!

Posted by jiminii (here)

so you might find you are one of them ... but if you are not ... it doesn't mean you will not eventually be one ... that would be a mistake ... not allowing everyone to start new with all the pain removed ... but this time ... a more educated spirit

Posted by jiminii (here)
but the purity of beingness .. "the light" .. that is here ... doesn't necessarily have to be ONLY coming from Scientology ,,, it is coming from ALL the millions of spirits .. that were sent back .. whatever their think is ... they WILL align this planet and we WILL BE FREE AGAIN ... and happy little spirits ...

to all a good future

jim

Thank you for that last post Jim. I read it last night, forgot about it then reread it a short time ago.

Responding to the first excerpt I posted above.

I am one of those beings as well, I attested to the state of Natural clear in 1984.This was in the freezone.

I have repeatedly had the conviction that I am from the future.

I had extremely strong reactions to reading where Hubbard stated he has more than one body on the planet.

There is a truth there somewhere that applies to me as well. These particular experiences have what I have learned to call maximum strangeness (not sure who I just plagurized).

I have talked to Jimini via PM and we have compared notes, and he told me the question that Trey asked him in a session,and there was a definite release that occured there.

Jim put that question in the above post.


Maybe someday I can get on a meter again and trace some things down concerning that situation.

When I think about that prospect I see visions of me piling dollars into a couple of wheel barrows in order to afford the seemingly endless sessions one gets into when one gets involved in this activity of processing.

I am an addictive personality, and processing has been one way I have acted that tendency out.

When Inelia was here and perhaps later when I watched snippets of her vids online there was something going on there
concerning her convictions that she has recently come into being and is on assignment, that I tended to believe, and that I feel I have something in common with.

There is another person whose site I ran into, who makes similar statements about himself, he has run into scientology (the church variety), and he never saw fit to do any of it.

I think he has this type of condition, however I am not sure he has the same one Jim and I have. He says that he is newly created out of basic consciousness, and that such beings can easily have experiences of unified consciousness.

Theory:
To create a universe properly,with responsibility, it takes prediction,system redundancy, the establishment of robust security protocols.This redundacy I think includes the principle that, diversity is proportional to stability.

I have done a lot of studies in Zoology and have repeatedly been awed at the diversity that has been woven into this one little universe.

The best efforts coming from science , as I understand/misunderstand it, claim that this is a multiverse.
Perhaps it is a multiverses.

From A Course in Miracles, I really like the idea that the constant action of love is to extend itself.(paraphrased)
I think it marries quite well with my cildhood comtemplations on the idea of infinity(I have added to that original question and answer session with myself years ago,it has been a long session).
How can something that is infinite be contained by any thing, and be both constantly expanding, and complete at the same time?
Well as a friend of mine has repeatedly said, John you like to hurt your mind don't you?

I think there has been a massive effort down the line in this multiverses to compress all thoughts that might escape it into one limited system of thought.

That effort entered the inception of the organization that formed around Hubbard (IMO).
Considering the planet all this happened on, the fact that everyone who came together to make that happen had bodies
that came from the earth and the dust that formed it perhaps that invasion was required for them to be here.

All invasions happen from within, Well all I really know is mine certainly did.
The invasion that occured in the united states certainly did, I think most of us might agree with that sad fact.

So, crap I wish I had the gift of communicating large ideas with few words, but this is a large idea that has come from millions of minds besides mine.

All that to set up my treatment of the second excerpt from Jiminis post.
So perhaps anyone who is here now has some sort of connection with the timeline in the future that has cleared up this
installation of fixed memory loops, and recycled identities.
I allways found it so irritating when scientologists tried to claim that tthis planet hasn't blown it self up only because of what Hubbard did.

I don't consider myself a scientologist, freezoner, or buddhist, egyptologist, or non-dualist but I have found some thread of freedom in all of these things, and that is the short list.

No Being ever came into being just to follow someone elses Ology, Anity, or Ism.

To do so is to implant yourself, to move on is to clear the implant.

It was said to me by the guy that encouraged me to do the communications course in northern california, that the last thing you have to run out at the end of the bridge is your processing intself.
Bill Robertson said that same thing in a breifing I read on the net several years ago.
How will they, or in the sense of Jimini's story, how did they run out the egotism and specialness that Hubbard and
company seemed to be caught up in.

What process creates the cognition that there are no special beings, that we is just all me's.
This question was inspired in me by Dan Millmans one original thought that he talks about in his books.
There are no special moments. This thought supposedly came out of an assignment that his teacher gave him to have an original thought, and I find it cuts deep through who I am, and allows me to take all this with a pillar of salt.

I am now, and allways have been, just another me, just like anyone reading this ,please have compassion with me if you see anything else in this post.

So, anyone else with a nail?

jf

[novus]

Posted by fourty-two (here)
Hi Jim
Thanks for all you do.
In post 337 there is a line that states.. the mistake we made was in the design………and records all the data as one big huge mess with hypnotic commands from just the words people will say when they are unconscious
Other people saying words while we are unconscious?
Or we say words while we are unconscious?
Could you please clarify this a bit more

Words said during times of unconsciousness are very important. They do act like hypnotic commands.

Ever notice when someone administers pain or unconsciousness to another, they are under some compulsion to give command phrases?

EXAMPLE: Parent slaps, or spanks, a child. The parent will always give a command phrase while slapping or spanking the child. "stop doing that", "act right, behave yourself", "you are stupid", etc.

EXAMPLE: When the police beat another with night sticks, you see them giving command phrases while beating someone. "stop moving", "be still", "take that", ect.

EXAMPLE: Two guys get into a fist fight. While delivering blows, each is obliged to give commands, "die mother fu#ker", "I will break your neck", "I will fu#k you up", ect.

So, you see language is associated with pain and unconsciousness?

What is important is, these people in the examples given, are dramatizing, or, acting out, what was done to them millions of years ago, and has been passed down generation, after generation, after generation, after......

Insanity is contagious!

If you were to audit these individuals, what you will find is, they were given electronic mind control implants, through pain and unconsciousness in the remote past. Every time the implanter touched your head with an electrode, a command or instruction was given to you.

So you see, the implanter, the guy in the white smock, electrically shocking you into unconsciousness and giving you verbal command phrases millions of years ago is what's behind the parent slapping or spanking the child while giving the child command phrases in today's world.