Barack Obama 2010

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

Posted by bosr (here)
Except for the 100 to 1 ratio of alternative media vs. msm. Maybe I should have said msm is not giving the issue very much coverage considering the amount of air time in comparison to Tiger Woods boffing his bimbos. Now that is relevant.

i thought it had died and now its back. i thought lyndon la rouches idea of keeping obama in office post revolution is a good idea, the last thing america needs is to have another impeachment. he seems like a nice chap and hes a good figurehead. the worst thing about it is that even if he isnt bombing black people in ahfpakia and making them homeless in droves in his own place of residence the sheeple think its him doing it. maybe the people will come through and actually be able to make obama do his job properly? THE hoagland/wilcock crew might be right about obama and 2012 cos this is all looking to xome to ahead about then for better or for worse.

[sjkted]

Well, if you want to say we're a nation of laws and we do things the way the laws are decreed, then it would be important for him to present proof of birth on US soil. If not, then we can always look the other way as the Obamacare and immigrants are welcomed in:

The Tenth Amendment:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

This means that any rights not given to the Federal government are to be held by the people and the states. I don't remember reading anything about healthcare in the constitution.

The point is people are angry and it has nothing to do with the color of the President.

If we are a nation of laws, then why is it the ones inconvenient for the ruling party never seem to be enforced?

--sjkted

[pilotsimone]

Now they're angry? Oh, cry me a river... LOL.


You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.

You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate
energy policy.

You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.

You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.

You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.

You didn't get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war.

You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq.

You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.

You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.

You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.

You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.

You didn't get mad when we let a major US city, New Orleans, drown.

You didn't get mad when we gave a 900 billion tax break to the rich.

You didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark.

You finally got mad when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all okay with you, but helping other Americans...oh hell no.



I wish I could take credit for this succinct response to the fake outrage taking place over healthcare. I stand by my previous post. This isn't about any of the talking points being spewed daily by the talking heads (and apparently in this thread). It's about something much deeper. Frank Rich kinda nailed it in an article today. I'll post it in a few.

[pilotsimone]

No less curious is how disproportionate this red-hot anger is to its proximate cause. The historic Obama-Pelosi health care victory is a big deal, all right, so much so it doesn’t need Joe Biden’s adjective to hype it. But the bill does not erect a huge New Deal-Great Society-style government program. In lieu of a public option, it delivers 32 million newly insured Americans to private insurers. As no less a conservative authority than The Wall Street Journal editorial page observed last week, the bill’s prototype is the health care legislation Mitt Romney signed into law in Massachusetts. It contains what used to be considered Republican ideas.

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When Social Security was passed by Congress in 1935 and Medicare in 1965, there was indeed heated opposition. As Dana Milbank wrote in The Washington Post, Alf Landon built his catastrophic 1936 presidential campaign on a call for repealing Social Security. (Democrats can only pray that the G.O.P. will “go for it” again in 2010, as Obama goaded them on Thursday, and keep demanding repeal of a bill that by September will shower benefits on the elderly and children alike.) When L.B.J. scored his Medicare coup, there were the inevitable cries of “socialism” along with ultimately empty rumblings of a boycott from the American Medical Association.

But there was nothing like this. To find a prototype for the overheated reaction to the health care bill, you have to look a year before Medicare, to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Both laws passed by similar majorities in Congress; the Civil Rights Act received even more votes in the Senate (73) than Medicare (70). But it was only the civil rights bill that made some Americans run off the rails. That’s because it was the one that signaled an inexorable and immutable change in the very identity of America, not just its governance.

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That a tsunami of anger is gathering today is illogical, given that what the right calls “Obamacare” is less provocative than either the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or Medicare, an epic entitlement that actually did precipitate a government takeover of a sizable chunk of American health care. But the explanation is plain: the health care bill is not the main source of this anger and never has been. It’s merely a handy excuse. The real source of the over-the-top rage of 2010 is the same kind of national existential reordering that roiled America in 1964.
In fact, the current surge of anger — and the accompanying rise in right-wing extremism — predates the entire health care debate. The first signs were the shrieks of “traitor” and “off with his head” at Palin rallies as Obama’s election became more likely in October 2008. Those passions have spiraled ever since — from Gov. Rick Perry’s kowtowing to secessionists at a Tea Party rally in Texas to the gratuitous brandishing of assault weapons at Obama health care rallies last summer to “You lie!” piercing the president’s address to Congress last fall like an ominous shot.

If Obama’s first legislative priority had been immigration or financial reform or climate change, we would have seen the same trajectory. The conjunction of a black president and a female speaker of the House — topped off by a wise Latina on the Supreme Court and a powerful gay Congressional committee chairman — would sow fears of disenfranchisement among a dwindling and threatened minority in the country no matter what policies were in play. It’s not happenstance that Frank, Lewis and Cleaver — none of them major Democratic players in the health care push — received a major share of last weekend’s abuse. When you hear demonstrators chant the slogan “Take our country back!,” these are the people they want to take the country back from.


For those who don't know these characters...Rep. Barney Frank is openly gay, Rep. John Lewis is black, and Rep. Emanuel Cleaver is Latino.

You can read this piece in it’s entirety here: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/op...8rich.html?hp7

[xbusymom]

its the cult tactics used to get the 'agenda' enforced... i mean... who in their right mind would start a meeting at something like 3:30 in the afternoon and make it last until almost midnight... they probably voted the health care bill IN just so they could be able to go home...

sorry, but I think Obama talked a good talk and is now walking on a different path... besides, there has been rumor (according to some sources- he is of the bloodline) so it would not matter if he is legal or not... and we have to remember who is next in line if we give Obama the boot... Biden - would he be better? or worse?

[pilotsimone]

Posted by xbusymom (here)
its the cult tactics used to get the 'agenda' enforced... i mean... who in their right mind would start a meeting at something like 3:30 in the afternoon and make it last until almost midnight... they probably voted the health care bill IN just so they could be able to go home...

I cannot tell if you're being serious here...cult tactics?

Are being sincere that you can't imagine a meeting lasting for 9 hours over legislation this important? Really?

I was just a computer support tech and I had some meetings that lasted longer than the entire workday (8+ hours). LOL.

Pure silliness these arguments are.

[sjkted]

Hello All,

I read the financial news daily and do my best to stay on top of the financial situation. I've noticed that the much of the implementation of Obama Care will not be done until 2012 or 2014. A few weeks ago, I watched the full 3 hour congress meet and greet with Ben Bernake, and one of their main talking points was that debt would exceed GDP by the year 2020, assuming everything else stays the same. Needless to say, we will not be able to continue to exist as a country if debt exceeds GDP, no more than an individual would be able to exist on paying 100% of income to debt and having nothing left over to pay personal expenses.

Watching the congress react and question Bernake was comical at times and scary at others. I was amazed at some of the questions being asked and how little these people understand much of anything that is happening in the economy. There did seem to be somewhat of a consensus that nobody was willing to accept any budget cuts under any circumstances.

It is obvious to me that we will never get to 2020 because of a number of factors (off the top of my head):

(1) Many businesses and individuals are still highly dependent on credit for spending. Credit is becoming scarcer and the situation will not get better any time soon.

(2) Taxes are increasing. Many of these are on "hidden" items such as tax on groceries in some states and taxes on particular industries such as custom software. In addition, fees for government services such as DMV registration are going up while the levels of service are declining.

(3) Unemployment isn't going to drop any time soon. The official number of ~10% is much understated and leaves out people who are chronically unemployed, graduating students just entering the workforce and looking for jobs, and the newly retired who have lost their savings and are trying to re-enter the job force. I'm not sure what the real number is, but it must be closer to 15% - 17%.

(4) The housing market is continuing it's decline in prices and we are just starting to see the commercial real estate bubble burst. About 50% of all mortgages are underwater right now, and many people are making strategic decisions to leave and others will be forced to leave.

(5) Our economy is about 70% consumer based, and with the unemployment and real estate situation, it will only continue to decline each year.

(6) Many states are functionally bankrupt such as California. This can only get worse and worse as tax revenues are quickly declining. The only option that will eventually be available is for these states to cut social services or get bailed out by the Feds. It is by law that each state maintain a balanced budget and cannot print their own money like Congress does when they go way over budget.

Of course, trying to cover every American for health insurance only adds on extra costs. These costs have to be paid by somebody. I haven't read all 2100 or so pages of the bill, but the only way these costs can be paid for is by the taxpayer or by forcing the individual. Forcing the individual will only go so far, as one cannot get blood from a turnip or so the saying goes.

So, the question is will the economy make it to the year 2012 or 2014 or is this just a big diversion? My take is that if everyone focuses on the economy, it will all be directed at the Federal Government and the President and the people could create one unified voice of demanding that real changes be made. With Obamacare, instead the fake left-right paradigm descends into name calling, anger, attacks, and fingers pointed at each other.

I'm curious to hear what others think if this bill will ever be relevant for anyone.

--sjkted

[sjkted]

Posted by pilotsimone (here)
Now they're angry? Oh, cry me a river... LOL.


You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.

You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate
energy policy.

You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.

You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.

You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.

You didn't get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war.

You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq.

You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.

You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.

You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.

You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.

You didn't get mad when we let a major US city, New Orleans, drown.

You didn't get mad when we gave a 900 billion tax break to the rich.

You didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark.

You finally got mad when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all okay with you, but helping other Americans...oh hell no.



I wish I could take credit for this succinct response to the fake outrage taking place over healthcare. I stand by my previous post. This isn't about any of the talking points being spewed daily by the talking heads (and apparently in this thread). It's about something much deeper. Frank Rich kinda nailed it in an article today. I'll post it in a few.

Simone,

I'm not sure where you're getting all of this from. There are many people who are angry and disguisted at all of these topics and have been for some time. The outrage is real and it will continue. It is not astroturf or media generated.

I started another thread: Does Obama Care even matter?

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=4477#post4477

I wonder if you would take a look at my points and respond in kind.

You also seem to have responded to nearly everyone's post except for mine. If we are a nation of laws, why don't we just repeal the 10th ammendment? That is something that could be done and at least it would give the bill some integrity, as it would have a legal footing.

The question here is what country we live in. The country I live in was founded with the Constitution and Bill of Rights as it's founding and guiding documents and as the supreme law of the land. Yes, these were created a long time ago, but they have provided much success for America, especially when you look at other countries. The question is how much power should the Federal Government have and where should it be focused. The difference is between the President as being a federal administrator and a dictator. Presidents have limited power under the laws of the country. Dictators have unlimited power and can do whatever they want.

If you are an American and support the bill, please tell me how is it possible that this bill is passed, yet it clearly violates the current law?

--sjkted

[pilotsimone]

Sorry, this was posted in the wrong thread.

[pilotsimone]

skjted - I'm sorry. I did respond, I just put it on the wrong thread! My apologies.

Here was my response from 2 days ago...

This entire thread was making me feel very bad (emotionally and physically), so I stopped to reflect on this reaction.

I feel I've spent a lot of time outside of Duality lately. Looking back at this thread...clearly, I can get sucked back in when it's something close to my heart.

I see where my sensitivities lie (suffering people) and I tend to judge harshly those who do not view humankind like me. Those who do not prioritize like I might. So, I am obviously still holding onto something that I need to release. Thank you for your viewpoint and for challenging me. If you weren't here to argue with me...I wouldn't know what I think! Alan Watts always says that, but now I really feel what he means. We need each other.

It's my intention to participate in these threads with a light heart from now on...or perhaps they won't hold an interest anymore. That's would be nice too.

Much love and many blessings to you, sjkted. ...and all others I judged on here (mostly inwardly).

Carry on, please.

[Sollve]

Posted by céline (here)
I have always wondered....What motivates a government to want to disclose this ?

I have always wondered this as well.. What I've read in this thread over here: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16158 gave me a plausible answer to that, not a very pleasant one, but a plausible one and that makes it the best answer I've been presented with so far. It's a long thread but well worth the time it takes to read it through.

Edit: I read your question as 'What motivates a government to NOT want to disclose this', which is clearly NOT what you wrote. :-) Sorry about that!

Sollve

[shybastid]

Yes Obama care matters..... Look at your opening statement. "Obama Cares".... For who? Doctors..Nurses..Patients..Americans?
Because your a Democrat or Republican or "Teabagger" targets your Vote? For Health? Or Wealth?
Unfortunatly, this unnecassary Bill is now,without additional debate Passed.
Camelot looks to seek the truth..Avalon looks to see the truth.
Split groups? Not really..We all still want to seek the truth. Did we "divide and conquer"? Nope same minds different directions to seek the truth.
How much did it cost either group? Naddaa Zip Zero..
How much did this Health Care plan cost between doctors, nurses and patients? Should'nt we know?
American citizens.. I think we had the right to wait before this was enacted. There has definatly become a "has" "has not" split over this.
I don't like either choice.
I was'nt raised to choose rick or poor....I was raised to learn how to make educated choices for ALL the best we can.
I just wanted to understand a little more before the choice was made for me.
Why was the deadline mandatory? For political party loyalty?
Great.. NOW we vote Democrats out of office..THAT will teach Washinton...You GO Republicans.. YUCH
It goes on and on....
Where's God..WHOS God..or Alien to sort this out so I know I'm on the right side?

Oh I forgot... That's why I'm here on Avalon... To teach me with open ideas to learn.

Good idea.

Happy Easter....

UH OH I forgot... I was raised Catholic ,its good Friday and I ate meat.. Hell, Purgatory? They change that yet?

[irishspirit]

Hi Guy's,

at the risk of sounding like I have it in for Obama, I have come across this article. This shows the extent to which the American people have been lied to, how how much they are will to suck and allow their country to be destroyed.

http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Cons...n-Obama-resume

I have to aks even though I know the answer, will the MSM give this any coverage? Or will it be held in reserve for when they are ready to get ride of him?

Be Safe

Irishspirit

[Agape]

There's a huge piece of truth 'in' here about Disclosure but how long is it going to take depends on people of this earth and that's unfortunatelly not only 'us avalonians' .
There's no threat from the space as far as we know though , potentially one can arise any time , unintended perhaps but who can guarantee you and I that all alien life forms and advanced technologies are harmless to human species ? We have allergic reactions , lethal reactions to anything from pollens to mashrooms to water melons , and what is biological response to various ET energy sources and vital systems is hard to predict.
Is it what is supposedly studied in our undergrounds ? Not a big surprise .

But then again, what is the real reason for covering the facts and exactly this part of research and hiding it from public ?
Global political tension and war state lasting for millenia just moving from one piece of land to another , one continent to another,
we need better governments is the clue, for sure.
I don't take any particular gov body on target but what I mean is , how possibly can any advanced intelligent kind of beings communicate with us on level while we are in such a fallen state of civilisation?
No I don't mean people around here and I know many who are not 'that way' yet I know about more who are actually stupid enough,
to waste their lives on disputes between political parties, hunting for posts, for money, for power and that's about. And all that interests them is theirfamily, their country, their party, their company , their religion, their culture and their kids, because they are so proud and full of themselves to believe they are the best and will go on proving it by any means till they have the money to do so.
So how do you anyone want to explain to ET that Republicans are better than Democrats, why New Jersey fans hate Boston Tigers and why we let thousands of people in Africa die of starvation ?
Or how do you want to explain to them we are not able to care for our sick except for money?
Why do we point missiles to space ?

So how long is it going to change this type of world, system and mentality to more advanced one ? Maybe another few centuries or millenia, ET please wait, we are going to evolve and be more intelligent species tomorrow....

A

[TheTruth]

Have you seen the video "The Obama Deception" ? It details more of his lies..

[sjkted]

I just saw this video on rense.com. It appears that Michelle Obama is a birther in the sense that she believes Mr. Obama was born in Kenya:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Kk3OMRqO7aY

[Operator]

Posted by Majorion (here)
I don't think it makes any difference.

Expectation wise I think you are probably right ... however something else keeps popping up in my mind all the time:
"Een volk dat voor tirannen zwicht, zal meer dan lijf en goed verliezen, dan dooft het licht."

This is in Dutch and printed on a monument in Amsterdam remembering the 2nd world war.
Translation (by Google) says this:
"A nation that yields to tyrants, more than life and property losses, the light goes out"

Maybe a better translation: "A nation that yields to tyrants will lose more than life and property, the light will cease to exist"

It's only a Google translated page but I think the meaning of this page is still clear:
http://translate.google.com/translat...en-US:official

So probably it's more a case of principle but maybe even a better reason to fight for ... how long and how far do we let them push us around ?

It's not about like or dislike a person ... it's simple principle ...

[Majorion]

Posted by Operator (here)
Maybe a better translation: "A nation that yields to tyrants will lose more than life and property, the light will cease to exist"

It's one thing to ask for a birth certificate, but to brand persons "tyrant" takes much more. Look I'm not American okay, so left/right politics don't concern me, I call it as it is. He is a politician that is subjected to a witch-hunt on nearly a daily basis, I happen to feel this anger over these Obama issues is misplaced. I dread the days of Bush and everyday speeches about terrorism, at least nowadays things are just a bit more lax. Of course we'll have to wait and see what happens with Iran and if the Israeli/Palestinian conflict can come to resolve, but doubtful though in my opinion.

[Operator]

Posted by Majorion (here)
It's one thing to ask for a birth certificate, but to brand persons "tyrant" takes much more.

I hope it's clear I was not branding a 'person' ... the translation is talking about nation and tyrants ... I don't care if it is this time
about Obama either ... But from the past decades it becomes more and more clear that there is/are faction(s) at work that seem to get
away with foul play (e.g. Kennedy assassination, attempt on Ronald Reagan's life, bashing of Bill Clinton, rigged elections, 9/11 and now this).

If a nation looks away and does not express it's disapproval and fights against dishonesty ... decay of the values of that nation sets in and
becomes more and more unstoppable along the way ...

I also hope I was appealing more to the inhabitants of a nation (to come into appropriate action) rather than seeking tyrants ...
By the lack of action the nation offers opportunity for tyrants to manifest ...

[Majorion]

Posted by Operator (here)
But from the past decades it becomes more and more clear that there is/are faction(s) at work that seem to get away with foul play (e.g. Kennedy assassination, attempt on Ronald Reagan's life, bashing of Bill Clinton, rigged elections, 9/11 and now this).

Every single event you noted - in my opinion - can all be attributed to an Israeli-American political/lobby/intel faction. The fact is that the U.S have long turned a blind eye to Israel and the Zionists whenever they commit a criminal act, and this has been going on for a very long time now. U.S.S Liberty - brushed under the carpet, JFK assassination - brushed under the carpet, 9/11 - brushed under the carpet, continous attrocities committed against the Palestinian people - brushed under the carpet. The fact that the U.S is in Afghanistan and Iraq and potentially Iran next is even more evidence of who has been dictating U.S foreign policy for the last decade or two at least, lets not forget the enormous funding and over-supply of weaponry they get every year. Not to mention every major media outlet is biased and owned by... you guessed it!

I tend to rarely mention this, because often these statements are miscontrued (deliberately) and so then you get called a Jew hater or better yet get slapped with the "anti-semite" label. Little do those accusers know that I've had Jewish friends in America. Well, its not going to stop me from stating the facts and I will not withhold knowledge of these criminal acts.