What if time is on our side?

[Finefeather]

Posted by Marren (here)
I feel this very strongly. Since time is just an illusion, a single frame if you will then it is not really that strange that we could all be living in our own realites, entering the timelines that is most representative of ourselfs.

Time is not an illusion, so I thought it might be of some help to you, and others who have this fictitious idea in their minds, if I posted this:

There has been an endless speculation on time. Time is objective as a measurer of motion, events and processes of all kinds. Physical time is determined by the rotation of the earth in relation to the surrounding stellar world and its revolution round the sun. Our day and night together make up a rotatory revolution and our year is a solar revolution.

Many people have thought that time is subjective. That opinion is a typical product of
speculation, which is due to the confusion of objective time and subjective perception of time. The perception of time is, just as any perception, objective when objectively determined by external, material reality. That is possible for man only in the physical world, since that is the only world in which he has objective consciousness. In the emotional and mental worlds, the normal individual is quite unable to perceive objective time, quite unable to measure motion and change. This fact has been misunderstood to imply that those worlds do not exist objectively. Even in the physical world you can fail to notice the flight of time, if your attention is somewhere else than in the physical. Amicitia horam vincit, friendship conquers time, said the ancient Romans. Among boon companions you do not notice the flight of time.
And the night of anguish is an “eternity”. In our experience there is something that makes us understand the expression “condensed eternity”.

The fact that individuals in ever higher worlds are ever less dependent on time and space does not imply that time and space lack objective existence. Planets, solar systems, galaxies are proofs that space with all its higher worlds exists, and the processes of manifestation are proofs that time exists.

The concept of time belongs to the motion aspect and is absent in the consciousness aspect.

To consciousness there is no time but everything is an eternal present. It is motion that gives the conception of past, present, and future. In the consciousness aspect past and future meet in the present. This, too, is part of the basic concepts of esoterics, of course incomprehensible to man’s traditional reason.

Time has no dimension. Einstein’s space–time as a fourth dimension is an imaginary
construction that has no counterpart in reality.

Rhythm in existence, or the law of periodicity, concerns all three aspects of reality. It
evinces countless different durations from fractions of a second to solar systemic periods (eons) of more than four billion years. The law of periodicity has been all too much neglected in the West but it explains phenomena of many different kinds. Rhythm is a law that science, also medical science, has every reason to study very closely, for it is of the greatest importance to hygiene, not least mental and emotional hygiene.

[Eram]

Posted by Finefeather (here)

How do we break this cycle? We basically have to confine our children to areas where the 'positive force' is been lived out day to day...something not unlike the mormons of old...we need to be able to bring children up in a society where the forces of light are in full control...only this will normalize the plan on earth...the problem is how do we do this?

It starts with moving out of the cities and back to the open grounds where we are far away from supporting the commercial exploitation we see in the world today. It continues with sacrificing all the unnecessary things we buy and hoard just to keep up with the Jones's. It means realizing that we are all united because we are one consciousness...one mind...in the heart, where love resides.

Take care
Ray

Great post Ray,

I wish you would write more about current events on earth in relation to our past and the greater plan.
You seem to know so much about it.

About moving out of the city...

We did that 4 years ago, one of the reasons being to give our kid (now two kids) a better possibility to grow up in a way that enables him (now them) to live in reality more easy.
Little did we know or suspect that a big problem in these parts is that the school system is about 40 years behind on where we came from.
Here children still have to learn everything by repeating the teacher, sit at their own desk at all times, no group projects all the way up to high school.
Biggest problem is that many teachers here don't like their jobs and remain in control of the class by bullying the children up to wetting their pants.
Not what we had in mind for our offspring.
We are actually thinking about moving back to the Netherlands to get them access to school systems like democratic education where children learn by what they are interested in at that moment, not by what the system forces them to at any given moment.

Also... moving to open grounds doesn't prevent programming our children with the same insanity that we where raised with if we don't de-programm ourselves, which is all too easy overlooked imo.

[RUSirius]

Posted by Eram (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)

How do we break this cycle? We basically have to confine our children to areas where the 'positive force' is been lived out day to day...something not unlike the mormons of old...we need to be able to bring children up in a society where the forces of light are in full control...only this will normalize the plan on earth...the problem is how do we do this?

It starts with moving out of the cities and back to the open grounds where we are far away from supporting the commercial exploitation we see in the world today. It continues with sacrificing all the unnecessary things we buy and hoard just to keep up with the Jones's. It means realizing that we are all united because we are one consciousness...one mind...in the heart, where love resides.

Take care
Ray

Great post Ray,

I wish you would write more about current events on earth in relation to our past and the greater plan.
You seem to know so much about it.

About moving out of the city...

We did that 4 years ago, one of the reasons being to give our kid (now two kids) a better possibility to grow up in a way that enables him (now them) to live in reality more easy.
Little did we know or suspect that a big problem in these parts is that the school system is about 40 years behind on where we came from.
Here children still have to learn everything by repeating the teacher, sit at their own desk at all times, no group projects all the way up to high school.
Biggest problem is that many teachers here don't like their jobs and remain in control of the class by bullying the children up to wetting their pants.
Not what we had in mind for our offspring.
We are actually thinking about moving back to the Netherlands to get them access to school systems like democratic education where children learn by what they are interested in at that moment, not by what the system forces them to at any given moment.

Also... moving to open grounds doesn't prevent programming our children with the same insanity that we where raised with if we don't de-programm ourselves, which is all too easy overlooked imo.

Wow Eram, we are in a very similar boat, if you will. I moved my family, i.e., kids to where I thought would have similar advantages as you described above, just to find out basically the same thing you did, literally. And now I am moving back for the very same reason, "education" for my older kids, the colleges in Guyana are not recognized by anyone, not even the faculty and staff, practically. This is one of the reasons I started this thread, I can not wrap my mind completely around the fact that I am leaving this place to return to a place I left for good reasons, because that very place still holds major advantages over many parts of the world. Its just not an option to sit here in Guyana, gamble with my older kids education, they both want to pursue a medical career, do I deprived them of that while we wait for the Sh!t to hit the fan, or do we carry on like everything is roses or at least like everything is "normal" for the lack of a better word.

[Finefeather]

Posted by Eram (here)
Also... moving to open grounds doesn't prevent programming our children with the same insanity that we where raised with if we don't de-programm ourselves, which is all too easy overlooked imo.

Hi Eram
Yes...that's the 'vicious' circle we find our selves in. I think we have reference to "The sins of the father" somewhere.
De-programming implies programming, so it is this which should concern us most. The fact that there are people in the world who are not programmed should give us hope and most of all should grab our curiosity as to why and how they have become that way...de-programmed.
A clue to the programming problem lies in the fact that we are so eager to know truth...yet we cannot know if what we are been told is truth or not.
We grab every little bit of fiction we can find and if it makes the slightest bit of sense to us we instil it as our 'reality of the moment'...until a better story crops up.
If things go well for us, the past experiences become useful, despite their inaccuracies, as we become wiser to the fictions which people write about under the guise of truth. This is growth and cannot be overlooked as been necessary because if you ask someone why they no longer stick their hand into a fire...they will surely tell you it's because it goddam hurts

The nature of a forum is such that all sorts of unknown individuals like you and me either want answers or want to help, in their own little way. The difficulty is knowing who we can trust as our source of truth...when we have nothing to check against.

The fact is that there is truth out there and there are a lot of people who have found it simply because in some incarnation some things start making more sense than other things...and we get lead in the right direction when we are ready for truth. Only when we are ready can we be trusted with the real truth...because we can see all around the internet and forums how profound writers have been turned into 'evil' sources by ignorant people. Only the sensational ones who know how to get your attention with all sorts of exciting stories and illusions get put up on a pedestal and are hailed as truth bringers.

I would like to say more but need to go out...so take care for now
With much love
Ray

[CD7]

Time is not an illusion, so I thought it might be of some help to you, and others who have this fictitious idea in their minds, if I posted this:



Quote There has been an endless speculation on time. Time is objective as a measurer of motion, events and processes of all kinds. Physical time is determined by the rotation of the earth in relation to the surrounding stellar world and its revolution round the sun. Our day and night together make up a rotatory revolution and our year is a solar revolution.

Many people have thought that time is subjective. That opinion is a typical product of
speculation, which is due to the confusion of objective time and subjective perception of time. The perception of time is, just as any perception, objective when objectively determined by external, material reality. That is possible for man only in the physical world, since that is the only world in which he has objective consciousness. In the emotional and mental worlds, the normal individual is quite unable to perceive objective time, quite unable to measure motion and change. This fact has been misunderstood to imply that those worlds do not exist objectively. Even in the physical world you can fail to notice the flight of time, if your attention is somewhere else than in the physical. Amicitia horam vincit, friendship conquers time, said the ancient Romans. Among boon companions you do not notice the flight of time.
And the night of anguish is an “eternity”. In our experience there is something that makes us understand the expression “condensed eternity”.

The fact that individuals in ever higher worlds are ever less dependent on time and space does not imply that time and space lack objective existence. Planets, solar systems, galaxies are proofs that space with all its higher worlds exists, and the processes of manifestation are proofs that time exists.

The concept of time belongs to the motion aspect and is absent in the consciousness aspect.

To consciousness there is no time but everything is an eternal present. It is motion that gives the conception of past, present, and future. In the consciousness aspect past and future meet in the present. This, too, is part of the basic concepts of esoterics, of course incomprehensible to man’s traditional reason.

Time has no dimension. Einstein’s space–time as a fourth dimension is an imaginary
construction that has no counterpart in reality.

Rhythm in existence, or the law of periodicity, concerns all three aspects of reality. It
evinces countless different durations from fractions of a second to solar systemic periods (eons) of more than four billion years. The law of periodicity has been all too much neglected in the West but it explains phenomena of many different kinds. Rhythm is a law that science, also medical science, has every reason to study very closely, for it is of the greatest importance to hygiene, not least mental and emotional hygiene.

Well I disagree...This snipet is someone else's "idea" of time who does not have all the answers....conjecture of his own perspective. Im not sure who your quoting here?, but even if they have gathered information through scientific inquiry...it is still pieces of knowledge without the whole picture. So because he is stating this does not make another's perspective of time necessarily fictional

And besides some of us may be saying the same thing, but because of syntax- words constrict ideas into certain boxes casting a distorted view of EVERYTHING.

[Finefeather]

Posted by CD7 (here)
Well I disagree...This snipet is someone else's "idea" of time who does not have all the answers....conjecture of his own perspective. Im not sure who your quoting here?, but even if they have gathered information through scientific inquiry...it is still pieces of knowledge without the whole picture. So because he is stating this does not make another's perspective of time necessarily fictional

And besides some of us may be saying the same thing, but because of syntax- words constrict ideas into certain boxes casting a distorted view of EVERYTHING.

Hullo CD7
I can understand your repulsion of the quotation I posted...as it is your right and freedom to choose and accept your own concept of reality...so too is it my right to tell people things that they might not be comfortable with...this is called freedom of speech.
The quotation I posted comes direct from hylozoics...which is the only correct concept of reality in the worlds of man...and this is not my opinion...this is a fact.
Take care and love to you
Ray

[ulli]

Posted by RUSirius (here)

Posted by Eram (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)

How do we break this cycle? We basically have to confine our children to areas where the 'positive force' is been lived out day to day...something not unlike the mormons of old...we need to be able to bring children up in a society where the forces of light are in full control...only this will normalize the plan on earth...the problem is how do we do this?

It starts with moving out of the cities and back to the open grounds where we are far away from supporting the commercial exploitation we see in the world today. It continues with sacrificing all the unnecessary things we buy and hoard just to keep up with the Jones's. It means realizing that we are all united because we are one consciousness...one mind...in the heart, where love resides.

Take care
Ray

Great post Ray,

I wish you would write more about current events on earth in relation to our past and the greater plan.
You seem to know so much about it.

About moving out of the city...

We did that 4 years ago, one of the reasons being to give our kid (now two kids) a better possibility to grow up in a way that enables him (now them) to live in reality more easy.
Little did we know or suspect that a big problem in these parts is that the school system is about 40 years behind on where we came from.
Here children still have to learn everything by repeating the teacher, sit at their own desk at all times, no group projects all the way up to high school.
Biggest problem is that many teachers here don't like their jobs and remain in control of the class by bullying the children up to wetting their pants.
Not what we had in mind for our offspring.
We are actually thinking about moving back to the Netherlands to get them access to school systems like democratic education where children learn by what they are interested in at that moment, not by what the system forces them to at any given moment.

Also... moving to open grounds doesn't prevent programming our children with the same insanity that we where raised with if we don't de-programm ourselves, which is all too easy overlooked imo.

Wow Eram, we are in a very similar boat, if you will. I moved my family, i.e., kids to where I thought would have similar advantages as you described above, just to find out basically the same thing you did, literally. And now I am moving back for the very same reason, "education" for my older kids, the colleges in Guyana are not recognized by anyone, not even the faculty and staff, practically. This is one of the reasons I started this thread, I can not wrap my mind completely around the fact that I am leaving this place to return to a place I left for good reasons, because that very place still holds major advantages over many parts of the world. Its just not an option to sit here in Guyana, gamble with my older kids education, they both want to pursue a medical career, do I deprived them of that while we wait for the Sh!t to hit the fan, or do we carry on like everything is roses or at least like everything is "normal" for the lack of a better word.

While living in Barbados I had lots of Guyanese friends, and all were educated overseas,
with their parents doing everything possible, and making huge sacrifices, to bring this about.
It makes a wonderful combination of personality, in my view.
The finest people I ever met, anywhere.

[CD7]

Hullo CD7
I can understand your repulsion of the quotation I posted...as it is your right and freedom to choose and accept your own concept of reality...so too is it my right to tell people things that they might not be comfortable with...this is called freedom of speech.
The quotation I posted comes direct from hylozoics...which is the only correct concept of reality in the worlds of man...and this is not my opinion...this is a fact.
Take care and love to you
Ray

I didn't say u didn't have a "right" to your perspective...I just said I disagreed with it and I still do!


Humm hylozoics is a philosophy if im correct? philosophy as fact?

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by schneider (here)
I believe there are many different timelines existing simultaneously and the people that believe upheaval is near are on that timeline. I think it is a choice which timeline you are on, based on the thoughts you are entertaining. Living in the now takes you off all time lines and is a more peaceful way to live.

“...With all due respects to you dear schneider, you have a rather confused idea of what timelines are...you probably have been delving for too long in the Bashar material.

Take care
Ray

Hi Ray,

My intention is not to dispute ideas that you’ve shared with Schneider. I’ve noticed that over several threads people expressed their views about Bashar.

So, I’m using this opportunity to post a video and to express how Bashar has confirmed past and current experiences of “here... and now ...I’m here”. Or my dog walks by and he walks by again, in the same direction. It’s no accident that I’m noticing small phenomenon because I choose to not rationalized them away.

For those unfamiliar with Bashar, he isn’t only about time lines and parallel realities. He offers information on choices, change, and most importantly self-empowerment. Like any information, I mull over what’s offered and leave the rest.


Peace,
Paula

Time Shifts & Time Slips

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iDYK2CYobvs

Published on Jul 15, 2013

PSI researcher and experiencer Starfire Tor, who discussed time shifts and time slips as well as other strange occurrences involving time. During the first 90 minutes, they were joined by Whitley Strieber, who shared his take on Tor's research. He mused that these time anomalies suggest that "the boundary between the classical and quantum worlds is actually fuzzier than we would like to believe." Despite the far-reaching implications of such research, Tor lamented, "no scientist, except myself, ever really tackled these anomalies."

She shared the story of one instance where she claims to have documented a time shift taking place. She explained that she and one of her research partners had noticed the phenomenon appearing to take place in a region of Southern California, so they went to a parking lot in the area and filmed it. Upon returning three months later, they found that a massive Circuit City building now stood in the once-empty parking lot. Tor alleged that the store employees all said that the building had been there for a year. However, upon re-examining the video tape from three months prior, she exclaimed "where the Circuit City was now ... there was nothing! It's just a parking lot!"... [summary continued @ link]

[Delight]

Posted by Paula (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by schneider (here)
I believe there are many different timelines existing simultaneously and the people that believe upheaval is near are on that timeline. I think it is a choice which timeline you are on, based on the thoughts you are entertaining. Living in the now takes you off all time lines and is a more peaceful way to live.

“...With all due respects to you dear schneider, you have a rather confused idea of what timelines are...you probably have been delving for too long in the Bashar material.

Take care
Ray

Hi Ray,

My intention is not to dispute ideas that you’ve shared with Schneider. I’ve noticed that over several threads people expressed their views about Bashar.

So, I’m using this opportunity to post a video and to express how Bashar has confirmed past and current experiences of “here... and now I’m here”. It’s no accident that I notice small phenomenon again because I choose to not rationalized them away.

For those unfamiliar with Bashar, he isn’t only about time lines and parallel realities. He offers information on choices, change, and most importantly self-empowerment.

Peace,
Paula

Time Shifts & Time Slips

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iDYK2CYobvs

Published on Jul 15, 2013

PSI researcher and experiencer Starfire Tor, who discussed time shifts and time slips as well as other strange occurrences involving time. During the first 90 minutes, they were joined by Whitley Strieber, who shared his take on Tor's research. He mused that these time anomalies suggest that "the boundary between the classical and quantum worlds is actually fuzzier than we would like to believe." Despite the far-reaching implications of such research, Tor lamented, "no scientist, except myself, ever really tackled these anomalies."

She shared the story of one instance where she claims to have documented a time shift taking place. She explained that she and one of her research partners had noticed the phenomenon appearing to take place in a region of Southern California, so they went to a parking lot in the area and filmed it. Upon returning three months later, they found that a massive Circuit City building now stood in the once-empty parking lot. Tor alleged that the store employees all said that the building had been there for a year. However, upon re-examining the video tape from three months prior, she exclaimed "where the Circuit City was now ... there was nothing! It's just a parking lot!"... [summary continued @ link]

Riffing off time shifts and reality shifts and the moment.

I think time is about context. We have several contexts going because we are multidimensional and always creating the experienced moment. It has "lawfulness". I think that the light is creating a new context that we are bridging now.

I think this "time' is about become conscious of how reality as we experience is created and cooperate with nature. That nature is the grand scale: life.

In manifestation, we seem to put the cart before the horse. It is more easy to pull the cart but we try to have the cart pull? Does it ever work? No, so three extra guys right left and back push the cart to pull the horse. The horse could just as easily walk by itself and pull the cart too... but we didn't use the right sequence. EXHAUSTING. No wonder we feel tired of life.

I think time comes down to an experience of a sequence of events. We believe the past drives the future, when all along we actually manage the past from the future. We experence everything seconds behind the event. (scientific studies show that a change in brain activity precedes awareness. Before that even something else happened.) I say that something else was in the future...that intent is a future beacon pulling the past along. We take part in the present moment. We can change intention in the present moment consciously.

That is what I think happens with Time openings...we say time opens because different timelines appear that change the “past”. It is in my opinion when we coonnect more consciously with deliberate change of intent. By deliberate I mean that we identify ourselves “desiring” an outcome. We allow that desire to then happen. I do think reality shifts are how we register this at times.

If there is any value to experience, it seems like it is to use how things happen to our advantage. So even though we give lip service to intention, like a horse we don't use it to our advantage. We wish for the cart of what we resist in the moment to push the horse of what we want. We don't use the "power of ours" which is our horse...get clear about what you are wanting from our situation...where you are headed and LOVING on that version of life. The horse can walk anywhere we allow the horse power.

[Finefeather]

Posted by Paula (here)
So, I’m using this opportunity to post a video and to express how Bashar has confirmed past and current experiences of “here... and now ...I’m here”. Or my dog walks by and he walks by again, in the same direction. It’s no accident that I’m noticing small phenomenon because I choose to not rationalized them away.

For those unfamiliar with Bashar, he isn’t only about time lines and parallel realities. He offers information on choices, change, and most importantly self-empowerment. Like any information, I mull over what’s offered and leave the rest.

Hi Paula
Thank you for that most interesting audio talk..after all it is about time. I quite enjoyed it
I am not anti Bashar or anyone for that matter...a lot of stuff I have heard from him is very good and I do not care who it comes from as long as it promotes the evolution of consciousness.

In this conversation I am only addressing the parallel world/time line issue. I am not sure why people might think that it has much significance to the evolution of our consciousness, when the only place we can grow our consciousness...at this stage of our evolution...is in the physical...people can't seem to understand this.

Please just note that what I am going to write here is my own thinking and I do not expect anyone to agree with me...least of all believe what I say...only consciousness growth will determine the truth of the matter.

It makes me happy to know that there are people like Starfire Tor...I think she is a huge positive and I can detect the love she has for humanity in her mind and heart...she is at the stage of her evolution where she is starting to access the Causal Consciousness of her real Self...to make this relative...she is far more advanced than the average human. She is what I would call a good example of a Mental Self...most people are still Emotional Beings and have not realized their real Self yet.

Now please do not misunderstand me here but her talent or achievement is still on the green side because she admits she has very little idea why the things she experiences are taking place...she has an excellent knowledge of what is going on, and a good analytical mind...the result of this is that she is not truly consistent yet in her thinking. By the end of her current life she will have changed and refined her thinking, based on her research. I however find her extremely interesting to listen to and can only but send her strength because she is the kind of minds we need on earth. Unfortunately the average human cannot understand the higher side of her consciousness and this results in wrong conclusion been drawn.

Each one of the phenomena which is brought up in this talk can be explained quite easily...but to put it into words which are easily understandable is quite a different matter...because as much as we all think we are capable of understanding deeper esoteric truths...the opposite is the case. We have a long way to go before we can come close to understanding the mysteries and truths and nature of the existence we are one with. We do not realize how little we know...we believe the sensational and reject the truths...we do not even know what we don't know.

What Starfire is experiencing...and there are many who are now beginning to access this higher consciousness...is not what she calls co-existing timelines...but probabilities of future possibilities...also latent knowledge, from her own Causal consciousness...as well as knowledge from the human collective consciousness...and some higher mentally influenced emotional creativity. She herself states that she does not agree with parallel timelines at the beginning of the talk...and then seems to change her mind when she calls them co-existing timelines...so even she is confused of what she is experiencing. She also at some point states that she sees this phenomena as frequency changes...this is much closer to the truth...but it is still not a time shift.

It would be impossible to cover this vast subject on a forum and so I will attempt a very condensed and inadequate version of some ideas which, those who are interested, can think about, if they like.

Around the earth and around every human are 3 layers or planes (there are many more but these are the ones associated with normal physical human existence), called the etheric world, the emotional world, and the mental world. These are in fact envelopes or worlds of consciousness which we can access in various states of consciousness, and are as real as a vanilla milkshake

Some people like psychics and those who have etheric vision and or clairvoyance can see into these worlds. Some go OBE and claim all sorts of miraculous sightings. These worlds are also in a state of flux, which means they can bleed in and out of physical reality at various places and times.
In the emotional world, some call this the astral plane...(amongst other things) there is the most incredible amount of forms and structures and Beings which have been 'created' by the thoughts of humans over around 20 million years of inhabiting this planet. There are complete cities which are identical to the ones on the physical plane, and those who visit this plane can change the way they appear in the blink of an eye. It is possible to 'create'...just by thinking of it...any structure or thing we desire. This is why it is called the plane of illusion...because every person or group of people with the same idea can change the landscape of the emotional world to whatever they would like it to be.
This is the cause of much confusion and speculation and imaginative stories when some people...individually or collectively...knowingly or unknowingly access these worlds. And, we can access these worlds spontaneously at any place and time in our life...without even knowing...even a change in the weather can make this possible. This is not a time shift...you are having a consciousness shift. Time is a matter phenomena, whereas, reality is a consciousness phenomena.

Now the claim to see the future is certainly possible...and many have predicted things which have happened exactly as reported. How does this happen? There is NO future world going on in some other time line or dimension. What takes place is that some people are able to access their Causal consciousness. Causal consciousness...some have called this the Higher Mind or Higher Self...but this is not accurate...is a dynamic consciousness where whole systems of ideas both past and future can be witnessed and studied. The past is stable and clear and cannot be changed and is easier to study...the future is all probability...based on the current state of being of the collective of which we are interested in studying...and...if this state is stable enough...what is seen as the future can be very accurate...and predictable...but it can be changed...whereas the past cannot be changed.
Premonitions, which many people experience, are simply the fixed 'probabilities' which are about to manifest. In other words...no real chance of anything changing...like a train on a railway track.

There is no fixed future or co-existing worlds for us to jump across to as we wish as some like to claim...this is a myth and comes from not understanding the nature and architecture of the cosmos. All of the stories we hear, no matter how Star Wars like they are...because we seem to love these imaginative illusions...about time travel and soul collection etc...are all based on emotional imaginative thinking. We like to think we can never be fooled so easily, but that is exactly the nature of the emotional/astral world, which we access every day of our lives, and what makes it even more scary...is that we do no even know that we are doing it...let alone admit it and take ownership of our ignorance.

This is exactly where we are in our long evolution and things can only get better...when we sit up and take notice...then consciousness can quicken...until we start to notice the beauty and love and unity that awaits us. There is only one true way of achieving this and that is service to humanity above all our personal needs.

Tale care and my love to you
Ray

For those who are seriously interested in consciousness growth I can direct you to some information which you may find useful. Just PM me with your interest and we can chat.

[RunningDeer]

Thank you, Ray.

Specifically, “frequency changes...this is much closer to the truth...but it is still not a time shift.”

I’ve been calling it ‘frequency changes’ but I may have mistakenly leaped to ‘time shifts’. It sounds like I’m back peddling. At present, my focus is on increased frequency. So this is an important clarification.

As for some of the rest, it’s like the Nature's milkweed seed. I grasps at and it darts just out of reach. Which means for me to let it be. Allow it to alight on an open hand, and in it's own time it supplants itself.

Until then, though I’m not at 100%, I’m with you on, “...start to notice the beauty and love and unity that awaits us. There is only one true way of achieving this and that is service to humanity above all our personal needs.” (i.e., personal needs, I may have interpreted too literal.)

Again, thank you for your time in explaining it. I've copied your post and filed in the 'Ray' folder.

With Love,
Paula

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Hi Paula
Thank you for that most interesting audio talk..after all it is about time. I quite enjoyed it

I am not anti Bashar or anyone for that matter...a lot of stuff I have heard from him is very good and I do not care who it comes from as long as it promotes the evolution of consciousness.

In this conversation I am only addressing the parallel world/time line issue. I am not sure why people might think that it has much significance to the evolution of our consciousness, when the only place we can grow our consciousness...at this stage of our evolution...is in the physical...people can't seem to understand this.

Please just note that what I am going to write here is my own thinking and I do not expect anyone to agree with me...least of all believe what I say...only consciousness growth will determine the truth of the matter.

It makes me happy to know that there are people like Starfire Tor...I think she is a huge positive and I can detect the love she has for humanity in her mind and heart...she is at the stage of her evolution where she is starting to access the Causal Consciousness of her real Self...to make this relative...she is far more advanced than the average human. She is what I would call a good example of a Mental Self...most people are still Emotional Beings and have not realized their real Self yet.

Now please do not misunderstand me here but her talent or achievement is still on the green side because she admits she has very little idea why the things she experiences are taking place...she has an excellent knowledge of what is going on, and a good analytical mind...the result of this is that she is not truly consistent yet in her thinking. By the end of her current life she will have changed and refined her thinking, based on her research. I however find her extremely interesting to listen to and can only but send her strength because she is the kind of minds we need on earth. Unfortunately the average human cannot understand the higher side of her consciousness and this results in wrong conclusion been drawn.

Each one of the phenomena which is brought up in this talk can be explained quite easily...but to put it into words which are easily understandable is quite a different matter...because as much as we all think we are capable of understanding deeper esoteric truths...the opposite is the case. We have a long way to go before we can come close to understanding the mysteries and truths and nature of the existence we are one with. We do not realize how little we know...we believe the sensational and reject the truths...we do not even know what we don't know.

What Starfire is experiencing...and there are many who are now beginning to access this higher consciousness...is not what she calls co-existing timelines...but probabilities of future possibilities...also latent knowledge, from her own Causal consciousness...as well as knowledge from the human collective consciousness...and some higher mentally influenced emotional creativity. She herself states that she does not agree with parallel timelines at the beginning of the talk...and then seems to change her mind when she calls them co-existing timelines...so even she is confused of what she is experiencing. She also at some point states that she sees this phenomena as frequency changes...this is much closer to the truth...but it is still not a time shift.

It would be impossible to cover this vast subject on a forum and so I will attempt a very condensed and inadequate version of some ideas which, those who are interested, can think about, if they like.

Around the earth and around every human are 3 layers or planes (there are many more but these are the ones associated with normal physical human existence), called the etheric world, the emotional world, and the mental world. These are in fact envelopes or worlds of consciousness which we can access in various states of consciousness, and are as real as a vanilla milkshake

Some people like psychics and those who have etheric vision and or clairvoyance can see into these worlds. Some go OBE and claim all sorts of miraculous sightings. These worlds are also in a state of flux, which means they can bleed in and out of physical reality at various places and times.

In the emotional world, some call this the astral plane...(amongst other things) there is the most incredible amount of forms and structures and Beings which have been 'created' by the thoughts of humans over around 20 million years of inhabiting this planet. There are complete cities which are identical to the ones on the physical plane, and those who visit this plane can change the way they appear in the blink of an eye. It is possible to 'create'...just by thinking of it...any structure or thing we desire. This is why it is called the plane of illusion...because every person or group of people with the same idea can change the landscape of the emotional world to whatever they would like it to be.
This is the cause of much confusion and speculation and imaginative stories when some people...individually or collectively...knowingly or unknowingly access these worlds. And, we can access these worlds spontaneously at any place and time in our life...without even knowing...even a change in the weather can make this possible. This is not a time shift...you are having a consciousness shift. Time is a matter phenomena, whereas, reality is a consciousness phenomena.

Now the claim to see the future is certainly possible...and many have predicted things which have happened exactly as reported. How does this happen? There is NO future world going on in some other time line or dimension. What takes place is that some people are able to access their Causal consciousness. Causal consciousness...some have called this the Higher Mind or Higher Self...but this is not accurate...is a dynamic consciousness where whole systems of ideas both past and future can be witnessed and studied. The past is stable and clear and cannot be changed and is easier to study...the future is all probability...based on the current state of being of the collective of which we are interested in studying...and...if this state is stable enough...what is seen as the future can be very accurate...and predictable...but it can be changed...whereas the past cannot be changed.
Premonitions, which many people experience, are simply the fixed 'probabilities' which are about to manifest. In other words...no real chance of anything changing...like a train on a railway track.

There is no fixed future or co-existing worlds for us to jump across to as we wish as some like to claim...this is a myth and comes from not understanding the nature and architecture of the cosmos. All of the stories we hear, no matter how Star Wars like they are...because we seem to love these imaginative illusions...about time travel and soul collection etc...are all based on emotional imaginative thinking. We like to think we can never be fooled so easily, but that is exactly the nature of the emotional/astral world, which we access every day of our lives, and what makes it even more scary...is that we do not even know that we are doing it...let alone admit it and take ownership of our ignorance.

This is exactly where we are in our long evolution and things can only get better...when we sit up and take notice...then consciousness can quicken...until we start to notice the beauty and love and unity that awaits us. There is only one true way of achieving this and that is service to humanity above all our personal needs.

Take care and my love to you
Ray

For those who are seriously interested in consciousness growth I can direct you to some information which you may find useful. Just PM me with your interest and we can chat.

[araucaria]

Interesting post Finefeather, thank you.

I think your statement that past cannot be changed is a debatable one.

On one level, I think the notion of true forgiveness is one way of editing or undoing the past. Behaving consistently as if something had never happened will reduce it to total inconsequentiality.

This would also seem to be the mechanism at work in one version of the bigger picture, whereby evolved beings from some time in the future have come back to the here and now to rewrite a script that subsequently led or leads to havoc.

[RUSirius]

I cant prove it, it seems to me that there is not just one rule for time, I think its far more dynamic and manipulable then most of what is written and what we think. I do not think one rule applies because "time" could have many different levels of meaning for different places and "times". I personally at this moment cannot accept just one rule for time that applies to all things, but I could be wrong.

[Finefeather]

Posted by araucaria (here)
On one level, I think the notion of true forgiveness is one way of editing or undoing the past. Behaving consistently as if something had never happened will reduce it to total inconsequentiality.

Hi araucaria
I am of course not here to convince you of anything...we all convince ourselves when the time is right.

Forgiveness is not a change of some past event it is merely the resolution of the event. The event cannot be erased but the effect it may have had on something or someone can be put right...what you call "reduced to total inconsequentiality"
This does not change or wipe out the original event...this is how we learn. We keep in mind what we did in the past and try to learn from our actions.
We hear people say things like..."I forgive you, but I will never forget" because all our actions form part of our past knowledge...the problem is too few people look back to recall past mistakes and adjust their present actions.

Posted by araucaria (here)
This would also seem to be the mechanism at work in one version of the bigger picture, whereby evolved beings from some time in the future have come back to the here and now to rewrite a script that subsequently led or leads to havoc.

My opinion about this is that it is typical of the indoctrination effect of Hollywood science fiction movies. There are no people living in the future who can come back to change things here. Imagine the chaos if this was possible...people running around from the future back to the past in a desperate attempt to wipe their criminal records from history. History has been falsified enough as it is.
Actually unbeknown to most there is order in the cosmos.

Take care
Ray

[araucaria]

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)
On one level, I think the notion of true forgiveness is one way of editing or undoing the past. Behaving consistently as if something had never happened will reduce it to total inconsequentiality.

Hi araucaria
I am of course not here to convince you of anything...we all convince ourselves when the time is right.

Forgiveness is not a change of some past event it is merely the resolution of the event. The event cannot be erased but the effect it may have had on something or someone can be put right...what you call "reduced to total inconsequentiality"
This does not change or wipe out the original event...this is how we learn. We keep in mind what we did in the past and try to learn from our actions.
We hear people say things like..."I forgive you, but I will never forget" because all our actions form part of our past knowledge...the problem is too few people look back to recall past mistakes and adjust their present actions.

Posted by araucaria (here)
This would also seem to be the mechanism at work in one version of the bigger picture, whereby evolved beings from some time in the future have come back to the here and now to rewrite a script that subsequently led or leads to havoc.

My opinion about this is that it is typical of the indoctrination effect of Hollywood science fiction movies. There are no people living in the future who can come back to change things here. Imagine the chaos if this was possible...people running around from the future back to the past in a desperate attempt to wipe their criminal records from history. History has been falsified enough as it is.
Actually unbeknown to most there is order in the cosmos.

Take care
Ray

Where we differ, FInefeather, is that you seem to be much more set in your convictions than I am. I would tend to take the view that things, including the past and also my personal convictions, are much more malleable than that. I would never say for instance "I forgive you but I shall never forget". It sounds almost like a contradiction in terms, and the fact that people are always saying it is no recommendation: since when have we been guided by popular wisdom? I'd rather say "I forgive you and give me enough time and I shall forget". Why would I want to hold on for ever to someone's mistakes? Even the judicial system doesn't do that.

One of the reasons why the past is malleable is that its factual nature is rarely simple or definitively established. Historians have been reinterpreting events ever since they first happened, unearthing fresh evidence, and reassessing old evidence. There is nothing straightforward about this process, not even the application of a new analysis tool. Once you've understood the concept of the false flag event as practised in Nazi Germany say, you can apply that concept to work out that Pearl Harbour was likely a false flag event, but you still need to do the spadework and dig up the evidence of that.

Our perceptions change too over time. We sometimes think back and wonder why we got so upset over this or that: in other words, we did not forgive but what we did do was we forgot!

[Finefeather]

Posted by araucaria (here)
Where we differ, FInefeather, is that you seem to be much more set in your convictions than I am. I would tend to take the view that things, including the past and also my personal convictions, are much more malleable than that. I would never say for instance "I forgive you but I shall never forget". It sounds almost like a contradiction in terms, and the fact that people are always saying it is no recommendation: since when have we been guided by popular wisdom? I'd rather say "I forgive you and give me enough time and I shall forget". Why would I want to hold on for ever to someone's mistakes? Even the judicial system doesn't do that.

I actually do not think we differ much...but in this case you seem to be suggesting some kind of memory failure. "I forgive you but I shall never forget" is not a contradiction in terms because forgiveness is divine and memory recall is a completely different concept. Do you mean to tell me that every bad thing that has ever happened to you is now lost to your memory?
I believe they call that alzheimer's disease

Take care dear friend
Ray

[araucaria]

Not memory failure: on the contrary, total assimilation of finished business, closure, moving on. I could scrape together a few bad memories, so it’s not Alzheimer’s , but it would be like trying to remember moving up the scale looking for G on the piano: there was a time when, but it has long since become inert, lost in the foundations. It helps to be slow to take offence.

On the other hand, the forgetfulness that accompanies self-forgiveness can and should take longer, but while remorse is an essential part of the process (seeing what one has done through another’s eyes), the inability to forget is not a good idea and suggests to me at least a continued unforgivingness that needs to be processed until you can if possible forget.

[Mark]

Hi RUSirius,

after 2 years and a bit of change in Canada, I made the decision to come back to the states to complete some unfinished business. I did so knowing full well what the time was supposed to be and what could happen in this time while here. since my fiancee' and son are Canadian, the option to return there remains open, but I seem to have a feeling that I am supposed to be here in the states at this time for whatever reason. the way life is working out seems to be proving it so.

instead of having some master plan for my life and then following it step by step i have allowed my path to meander, to wander where it will as i follow the trails and clear spaces through the thickets and brambles. they seem to be leading in some direction that may be of greater benefit to my family and perhaps myself as well. i do not know, when i think of the future, all i see is light.

i think the last time i tried to prepare for a disaster was Y2K. had a couple of cans of food, some water. crackers. that didn't turn out so well. i made other decisions around that time that took my life down a dark path, although some wonderful things came out of it, proving to me that shadow requires light in order to even exist.

so, now, i'm back in the states. have gotten used to it again after being here now 7 months. there's a lot slated to happen, we'll see when and where exactly, i suppose, sooner or later. there's no rush. so i'm continuing along the path, wherever it leads. while i imagine i would and could make a decision based upon solid evidence of the actual potentiality of danger, as to where i might go or live next, even if there was some hazard involved, i still might go, if the reason to do so seemed solid enough.

i've been ok so far, the Ancestors and guardians are on the job. i live without letting fear guide my decisions, which, apparently, is crazy, according to my family. we will see, i guess.

[jiminii]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by RUSirius (here)
This thought arises because I will be living in the states soon. I've spent the last 3 years "prepping" in a third world country only to find myself going back to the place I left, thing is, its no different in this third world country, I can tell you first hand the NWO game plan and police state systems is in place and growing here as well with little to know resistance and seemingly total complacency and buy in, all seems to be falling in order.

Actually, there may be two aspects to your post -- which I think is a very thought provoking and interesting one.

1. Is it really safer anywhere else than in the US?
2. Do we have more time to 'prepare' than we think?

Yes, there's no one place in the world any more to hide out and ride out everything that might happen -- unless you're in the mountains of Bhutan (but even there, the Chinese border patrols might find you!), or on a South Pacific island where you'd have to live on fish and bananas for the rest of your life, completely cut off. The days have long gone where you could just move to Africa (as my own parents did after the war), and totally get away from it all.

Yes, electronic systems, traffic cameras, and a growing amount of bureaucratic documentation and paperwork are in place in Ecuador, too. The matrix is here as well. I understand that it's spreading all over, and there's no real escape.

But in Ecuador, they're not very good at processing their data: they often make big mistakes, there's a huge amount of inefficiency, and computer systems don't work properly or are not fully implemented. There's a lot of chaos, which is sometimes irritating -- but sometimes very helpful.

Because it's a small country, as well (where there really are a lot of good people, and I and my friends have found many of them), it's easy to find oneself talking personally to a senior decision-making official when trying to iron out a problem. Some of those officials have been heroic in their attempts to lend us a hand. Try doing that in the US -- it will not wok for the average man or woman. There is still a lot of humanity here.

Surveillance is a global issue. If you're on gmail or Facebook, whether you're in New York, Quito, Lagos or Delhi, it's all the same. It's all being read and captured.

For me, one reason I'm NOT in the US (although I have a perfectly valid visa and can be there quite legally) is that the worst-case scenario really is a heavy martial crackdown on the population after a series of staged events. There really are lists of targeted 'domestic extremists', and I'd certainly be on them, not too far from the top.

So would many others, of course, but becoming a martyr is not my game plan. I had already deliberately intended to stay well away from the melt-down and then assist in the recovery and rebuild (and offer leadership, clarity and direction if needed). One cannot do that from within a camp -- and the camps are real.

All that begs the question of whether this stuff will happen (and if so, when, which is the second part of your question). I'm not 100% certain that it will.

But I think it probably will, sometime in the next year. And it could be pretty nasty. I hope I'm wrong, and this is not an eat-my-hat bet. Miracles and transformations are possible. But I still have the spare tire in my trunk, and I think this is one of my missions this lifetime: to help with 'insurance' in case some bad things happen.

My pint-on-the-bar-room-table thoughts:

• Probably will = 80%.
• Could be pretty nasty = 40%.

"Nasty" here = a very major and traumatic 9-11 type event, troops in the streets, individuals interned without trial, closure (or serious limiting) of the net, etc.

I hope I'm wrong. But this might be what you're going back to, if you're returning to the US. And this won't happen in Ecuador, or Guyana.

To the second part of your question. How much time have we got?

The can keeps being kicked down the road. I'm a little surprised that we're here already (July 2013) with no global financial collapse, major war in the Middle East, or appalling false-flag event that kills thousands. This is not fear-mongering or neurosis. It's stark, look-it-in-the-face, carefully evaluated, courageous reality.

I often use the analogy that we're tracking Europe in the 1930s. We're watching Hitler carefully, many of our friends don't want to listen to our concerns, and some of us are planning to leave Germany and Poland before it's too late.

I used to say that it's like 1938. Now, I find myself saying it's like 1937-38. That might give us an extra six months.

But if any Jewish friends I knew in London told me they were planning to return to Berlin, I'd say: don't do it.

as for time ... I am sure beyond a doubt ... we got unlimited time .... but that surety comes from the spirit only ... this body still wants to wait out the remaining predictions ...

after this year ... I will not be worried anymore about who predicts anything ... I know we got the place exactly the way we want it

jim