Enlightenment and Male Vanity

[ulli]

I love it when people get IT, especially because they have all arrived there by taking different paths.
And what I love even more is when over the years they manage to refine their perceptions further, modernizing the language of the ancient wisdoms, thus making themselves better understood by seekers.

My only regret is that many highly enlightened men, who, more than the enlightened women I know, don't unite more into brotherly teams, with other men, who also got IT.
I so wish for this to happen.

The Here and Now thread has been fairly successful at this, real friendships have developed there; one only has to look at the statistics to see that this formula of equality has worked very well.

But there are so many threads on this forum where any attempt by a guy who is way up there in his cosmic understanding gets either ridiculed, or similarly, if challenged in any way but another man with a similar understanding, then the challenger is dismissed in no uncertain terms.
I find this quite disappointing.

The only way to explain this is that males perceive the world as a system of vertical hierarchies, and in their innate competitiveness they create mental ladders,
establishing higher and lower rungs and ranks, instead of consciously focusing on the equality principle of horizontal structures, and the power that unity creates.

I know a few males here who have made attempts to reach out, but typically have received mostly either ridicule or silence. And worse, if just three or four of the women here showed a bit of support for their ideas, a lot of the other men became alarmed, and even subjected the women who offered the support to hostile comments.

Not sure if these critics were objecting to the enlightened male's overconfident style, and wanted to teach him a useful lesson to improve his teaching methods, or if they were merely jealous. Self-image has a lot to do with this need to never appear naive, or gullible, and so it's often an automatic response to tear down another guy, often in the name of "healthy skepticism".

I do know that when anyone reaches a spiritual plateau of integrity dark entities take hold of those who are not quite there yet, and unbeknownst to them attempt to tear down the enlightened one.

But back to the lack of team spirit here. There is yet another aspect to this.

Even those males who have reached a higher level of integrity often still see themselves as unique. Maybe they have spent all of their time getting their message out, writing books, and have thus failed to discover that in the larger community the same awakening and enlightenment that happened to them has also happened to many, many others, and increasingly so. It is now becoming a world-wide phenomenon.
Every video talk that I have seen, done by a man who has come across some major universe secret, reveals this flaw of competitiveness in the male psyche, and their vanity.
They all seem to believe that they are on their own with their discoveries.

This era is no longer about male guru-ship, and their female followers, like we saw in the last (20th) century, but a brotherly-sisterly equality team job which all sides need to participate in.

The search for truth ought to lead to agreement, not further fragmentations.
Only then can a true force be established that will dissolve the hierarchy of black-ops and high-tech armed tax collectors.

[Calz]

Posted by ulli (here)

My only regret is that many highly enlightened men, who, more than the enlightened women I know, don't unite more into brotherly teams, with other men, who also got IT.

I so wish for this to happen.

Hi ulli ... interesting topic for a thread.

Perhaps this will be changing soon as the planet's energies are (allegedly) shifting towards the feminine.

Let us hope so ... we could all use a break from the masculine eh???

[T Smith]

Fascinating observations, Ulli. Perhaps those men from whom you've observed this dynamic aren't so enlightened after all. This type of social behavior sounds uniquely human (in the mammalian sense) to me.

[Flash]

Ulli you are talking to my heart

from Ulli: This era is no longer about male guru-ship, and their female followers, like we saw in the last (20th) century, but a brotherly-sisterly equality team job which all sides need to participate in.

The search for truth ought to lead to agreement, not further fragmentations.
Only then can a true force be established that will dissolve the hierarchy of black-ops and high-tech armed tax collectors.

I have noticed quite the same regarding men vanity and hierarchy mental constructs. To me, it is a symptoms of " being almost there" but not there yet. Vanity and hierarchical thinking are ego based in general. Most of those publishing are at that level imo.

But..... I would also add two other comments:

1. when you are a women supporting the ideas and sharing of one men, the women thinking in terms of collaboration work, and you get inadvertently caught in the web of hierarchy and competitiveness, just by supporting, the other men will compete directly with the former, however, they will subtely dismiss the women by either ignoring her input altogether, or taking it as if it was not well thought of by giving comments that ARE NOT at par with the true investment of the women. THE GO D DAM OLD MACHO PARADIGM IN ALL ITS NUANCES.

2. Also, a very developed men, when exposing his idea and his whole being, will often be fought by not as well developed men who do not know they are not there yet. Then, the well developed men will retract in his shell, thinking he is alone, and therefore the only one who has achieved such understanding.

Trying to spread his knowledge will corner him in the competitive factor amongst human. However, differently from women, who have learned to communicate early (our upbringing is geared towards building relations) and have somewhat learned to cooperate better (for child rearing), men did not have this advantage of easier communication and sharing and will often feel lonely or show less agility in communicating, which will then be detrimentally used against him by competitive beings.

In other words, anyone attaining higher levels of understanding should have our full fledge support, whatever way they communicate it and women could be a great help into this.

I have seen many men with poor communication skills who were geniuses or spriritualy well developed. It always made me sad to see how they are so important for the well being of us all and yet, how difficult it is for them to pass their finding along, louder than all the bs that is given by much less developed ones. I have the same sadness when this is done to a woman just because she is a woman.

[aranuk]

Hi Ulli I know what you are talking about here. My present behaviour these last few months now is NOT to get involved with my opinions on any important topic. In the past since joining Avalon, I have been disappointed in the way lots of my posts have been attacked by certain male members here. I now mostly just thank people for their intelligent posts. This way I create less enemies. I still enjoy reading many posts and especially the great videos that are posted. I don't know, I might change my mind occasionally and contribute my honest opinion to test the present water temperature. My understanding of a good discussion is where like minded people contribute to the conversation which adds just another maybe small piece of information towards a greater understanding of the topic on hand.

Stan

[ulli]

Posted by Calz (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

My only regret is that many highly enlightened men, who, more than the enlightened women I know, don't unite more into brotherly teams, with other men, who also got IT.

I so wish for this to happen.

Hi ulli ... interesting topic for a thread.

Perhaps this will be changing soon as the planet's energies are (allegedly) shifting towards the feminine.

Let us hope so ... we could all use a break from the masculine eh???

I would never want a break from the masculine- only the unchallenged, out of control masculine.
Each side complements the other.

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Posted by T Smith (here)
Fascinating observations, Ulli. Perhaps those men from whom you've observed this dynamic aren't so enlightened after all. This type of social behavior sounds uniquely human (in the mammalian sense) to me.

To my experience enlightenment only means arriving at a new level in the building.
Once the novelty factor has worn off one is back to one's old tendencies, albeit with a fresh set of programs.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Once the novelty factor has worn off one is back to one's old tendencies, albeit with a fresh set of programs.

Unenlightened, chop wood, haul water, enlightened, chop wood, haul water, business as usual.

[ulli]

Posted by Flash (here)
Ulli you are talking to my heart

from Ulli: This era is no longer about male guru-ship, and their female followers, like we saw in the last (20th) century, but a brotherly-sisterly equality team job which all sides need to participate in.

The search for truth ought to lead to agreement, not further fragmentations.
Only then can a true force be established that will dissolve the hierarchy of black-ops and high-tech armed tax collectors.

I have noticed quite the same regarding men vanity and hierarchy mental constructs. To me, it is a symptoms of " being almost there" but not there yet. Vanity and hierarchical thinking are ego based in general. Most of those publishing are at that level imo.

But..... I would also add two other comments:

1. when you are a women supporting the ideas and sharing of one men, the women thinking in terms of collaboration work, and you get inadvertently caught in the web of hierarchy and competitiveness, just by supporting, the other men will compete directly with the former, however, they will subtely dismiss the women by either ignoring her input altogether, or taking it as if it was not well thought of by giving comments that ARE NOT at par with the true investment of the women. THE GO D DAM OLD MACHO PARADIGM IN ALL ITS NUANCES.

2. Also, a very developed men, when exposing his idea and his whole being, will often be fought by not as well developed men who do not know they are not there yet. Then, the well developed men will retract in his shell, thinking he is alone, and therefore the only one who has achieved such understanding.

Trying to spread his knowledge will corner him in the competitive factor amongst human. However, differently from women, who have learned to communicate early (our upbringing is geared towards building relations) and have somewhat learned to cooperate better (for child rearing), men did not have this advantage of easier communication and sharing and will often feel lonely or show less agility in communicating, which will then be detrimentally used against him by competitive beings.

In other words, anyone attaining higher levels of understanding should have our full fledge support, whatever way they communicate it and women could be a great help into this.

I have seen many men with poor communication skills who were geniuses or spriritualy well developed. It always made me sad to see how they are so important for the well being of us all and yet, how difficult it is for them to pass their finding along, louder than all the bs that is given by much less developed ones. I have the same sadness when this is done to a woman just because she is a woman.

I can tell you got IT, and hope that you always have success
in bringing uncommunicative men out of their shell.

As a mother of a boy I tried hard, but to this day feel like a failure.
You have a daughter---different challenges there altogether.
My thing was to prepare a way to spirituality thinking for him,
which I also equate with androgynous thinking,
free from male hormone influences.
No such luck, at least not so far.

[ulli]

Posted by T Smith (here)
Fascinating observations, Ulli. Perhaps those men from whom you've observed this dynamic aren't so enlightened after all. This type of social behavior sounds uniquely human (in the mammalian sense) to me.

It is human, I agree, and during an enlightenment moment there is a feeling that the escape from the human experience is permanent.
But truth is it just leaves traces of memories that turn out to create addictive compulsive obsessive behavior to get back to that level at all cost. Unless one starts studying one's behavior, and discovers the mechanical and habitual nature that we constantly revert to.
This is where vigilant self stalking comes in.

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Posted by 778 neighbour of some guy (here)

Once the novelty factor has worn off one is back to one's old tendencies, albeit with a fresh set of programs.

Unenlightened, chop wood, haul water, enlightened, chop wood, haul water, business as usual.

You are right. Sigh....

Except.... (and that's another thread)

[T Smith]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by T Smith (here)
Fascinating observations, Ulli. Perhaps those men from whom you've observed this dynamic aren't so enlightened after all. This type of social behavior sounds uniquely human (in the mammalian sense) to me.

To my experience enlightenment only means arriving at a new level in the building.
Once the novelty factor has worn off one is back to one's old tendencies, albeit with a fresh set of programs.

Okay, makes sense. I guess the question is, then, where on the path to enlightenment, in the Buddhist sense where there is no competition, does an individual rise above seemingly unconscious social behavior inculcated by the masculine paradigm of competition?

[ulli]

Posted by aranuk (here)
Hi Ulli I know what you are talking about here. My present behaviour these last few months now is NOT to get involved with my opinions on any important topic. In the past since joining Avalon, I have been disappointed in the way lots of my posts have been attacked by certain male members here. I now mostly just thank people for their intelligent posts. This way I create less enemies. I still enjoy reading many posts and especially the great videos that are posted. I don't know, I might change my mind occasionally and contribute my honest opinion to test the present water temperature. My understanding of a good discussion is where like minded people contribute to the conversation which adds just another maybe small piece of information towards a greater understanding of the topic on hand.

Stan

Stan,
so you are the living example of what Im talking about here.
You need to learn to hang out with your buddies, who will support you,
and who won't allow you to just shut up.
You are a voice in the wilderness.

The practice of Horary Astrology is to my understanding one of the highest forms there is...
as it tunes into the here and now like no other.

What it requires is people who know what to ask in a given moment...
which to me is not always an easy thing to do.

The enlightened state is also a state of near-desirelessness-
a state where most questions simply vanish,
as the answers appear in the same instant in which a question is asked.

[gripreaper]

All of us, men and women both, having been fully subjected, trained, and living in the male dominated patriarchy, in our societies, our schools, in commerce, and in relationships, and is fully embedded in every aspect of both the female and male species.

Men who are moving from the male dominated patriarchy towards the androgynous unity, are being ridiculed and marginalized, because the males as well as the females who support this old dialectic, don't want the status quo challenged.

But, challenged it is and will be. So, going forward, into unity consciousness where the feminine energy becomes at par with the male energy, let us be mindful not to throw the masculine out with the proverbial bathwater as we bring the feminine more into focus.

I envision the women being predominant in making this shift, to not only be the container which manifestation occurs, but also develop their balanced masculine side, without supporting the dying patriarch.

This dance of shifting into unity will have it's pitfalls. We can see it in how relationships have changed, how we no longer go looking for the missing pieces in our nervous system by choosing a partner to "complete" us, but choosing partners, or remaining single, until we ourselves have enough of ourselves to bring to the table.

As far as getting men together to support each other in this shift, I'd be patient. Moving from the patriarch towards unity is going to require extra effort from the women, I'm afraid to say. It's time for the women to step up and take the reigns. It's time for women to lead the way, cause the men can't and wont do it.

[ulli]

Posted by T Smith (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by T Smith (here)
Fascinating observations, Ulli. Perhaps those men from whom you've observed this dynamic aren't so enlightened after all. This type of social behavior sounds uniquely human (in the mammalian sense) to me.

To my experience enlightenment only means arriving at a new level in the building.
Once the novelty factor has worn off one is back to one's old tendencies, albeit with a fresh set of programs.

Okay, makes sense. I guess the question is, then, where on the path to enlightenment, in the Buddhist sense where there is no competition, does an individual rise above seemingly unconscious social behavior inculcated by the masculine paradigm of competition?

Good question. My take is that this happens at the moment when people can see the vast variety of options in how to respond,
that present themselves in their minds like a flash of lightning, and can then choose to respond from their innermost authentic self.

[ulli]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
All of us, men and women both, having been fully subjected, trained, and living in the male dominated patriarchy, in our societies, our schools, in commerce, and in relationships, and is fully embedded in every aspect of both the female and male species.

Men who are moving from the male dominated patriarchy towards the androgynous unity, are being ridiculed and marginalized, because the males as well as the females who support this old dialectic, don't want the status quo challenged.

But, challenged it is and will be. So, going forward, into unity consciousness where the feminine energy becomes at par with the male energy, let us be mindful not to throw the masculine out with the proverbial bathwater as we bring the feminine more into focus.

I envision the women being predominant in making this shift, to not only be the container which manifestation occurs, but also develop their balanced masculine side, without supporting the dying patriarch.

This dance of shifting into unity will have it's pitfalls. We can see it in how relationships have changed, how we no longer go looking for the missing pieces in our nervous system by choosing a partner to "complete" us, but choosing partners, or remaining single, until we ourselves have enough of ourselves to bring to the table.

As far as getting men together to support each other in this shift, I'd be patient. Moving from the patriarch towards unity is going to require extra effort from the women, I'm afraid to say. It's time for the women to step up and take the reigns. It's time for women to lead the way, cause the men can't and wont do it.

Thank you for a great reply. As a woman who seeks the faults in herself first I have to agree...

We women carry the next generation of people inside our bellies ad then have to be the first to kickstart their initial education, while the men carry the world on their shoulders, with all it's security and survival worries...

And as long as there is an understanding of the complexity of these roles on both sides all will be well.

So what went wrong? Was it the discovery of ET by the military (highest male patriarchy personified)
and the dangers that Contact would entail?

Like, 'Can't tell our women about this, as they would freak out and die of fear' type scenario?

Something like that?

[Spiral]

I have long been witness to the things this thread is about, however I have somewhat different take on it to the usual stereo type cul de sac.

What we are seeing is something that whilst out in society at large, is an epidemic on forums in particular.

I see men who have gathered vast amounts of info & have carved out a real internet presence for themselves (or are trying too ), however their emotional development has not kept pace....

Its kind of the modern worlds equivalent to "mystic pride" IMO.



As a man I can take a trolling, but for sooths sake don't start showing me warm emotion or I will think you are "batting for the opposition".

[ulli]

Posted by Spiral (here)
I have long been witness to the things this thread is about, however I have somewhat different take on it to the usual stereo type cul de sac.

What we are seeing is something that whilst out in society at large, is an epidemic on forums in particular.

I see men who have gathered vast amounts of info & have carved out a real internet presence for themselves (or are trying too ), however their emotional development has not kept pace....

Its kind of the modern worlds equivalent to "mystic pride" IMO.



As a man I can take a trolling, but for sooths sake don't start showing me warm emotion or I will think you are "batting for the opposition".

The question which arises here is what is emotion for and about in the first place.

So many misunderstandings happen when "emotional" people
who have never given their own emotionality any real thought
claim that their feelings make them right.
Thinkers end up getting confused in the light of all this apparent irrationality.

In the name of love fights get picked, and relationships slide downhill,
because often the emotional person sees the thinking rational type as cold,
while the thinking type sees most emotional displays are nothing other than sentimentality.

So both sides can be a severe test to one another.
This is one of the reasons I started this thread...

I must confess I had some concerns that a gender war might be ignited,
although saw a bit of a need for a discussion of these matters.

[Flash]

I love this thread, truly.

Stan, do speak please, I will pay particular attention from now on.

Spiral, allow me to be "batting for the oppositon" once in a while, it is sometimes part of agile communication at times and other times simply part of being human. To me emotions are the 3D processor for higher love, when conscious. When unconscious, watch out.

Ulli, your son has had your influence, that he acknowledge it or not. The way it is integrated is also dependent upon his soul abilities to absorb and process - we all have different kind of souls although we are one. But let time do its bidding with him, this is my intuition about him.

Yes Gripreaper, challenging the status quo, it takes strenght and at time softness, which some men and women have, both, but the courage to do so has to be constant, even within oneselve.

T Smith, everything has to do with balancing testosterone and estrogen .

Calz, just by being on this thread we are showing that a change process is occuring somewhere.

And 778, you got it, I will go take a walk now.

I enjoy the thread.

[Calz]

Family day so have not been able to keep up here (will catch up later).

I thought I would share this one posted by our esteemed giovonni on his Ranch thread from James Gilliland.

Rather on topic and the timing quite ... interesting ... for this thread.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post707901

ECETI NEWS

Many are feeling intense energies which seems to have began yesterday but today it was very strong. It was extreme sadness, deep ancient cellular grief centered around male female relationship. It felt like a rebirth of the feminine stepping back into their power and the males reaction to the projection of those
energies. This process was very intense and hard to assimilate best advice is
taking some space and alone time with compassion for the process. There are
eighth dimensional beings involved in this process. There are star gates opening
assisting in the Earths birthing process along with entire spiritually and
technologically advanced beings, Star Nations also assisting in this process.

On a darker note the chemtrails have a new batch of biologicals in them which
resemble strep throat. People all over the US are coming down with this and the
throat feels as if it is swollen shut making it very hard to swallow. Many are
using different remedies I used colloidal silver and swished some olive oil in
my mouth which worked wonders. I also did a cleanse right after ward using apple
cider, epson salts, followed by olive oil and grapefruit juice. Be sure to be
close to the porcelain God because the bathroom needs to be handy. This is my
own personal process and I am not a doctor or give advice.

At 7:50 PM a very large mother ship flew over the ranch with over 10 witnesses
in a daylight sighting. It vanished over Mt Adams in pixelated sparkles. The
night before was filled with ships powering up and putting on quite a show. The
night was filled with multiple ufos and a massive powerup in the West. Thats it
for now. Hang in there not long now before the end of tyranny. Be well.

James Gilliland

www.eceti.org
www.bbsradio.com
www.worldpuja.net

[778 neighbour of some guy]

As far as getting men together to support each other in this shift, I'd be patient. Moving from the patriarch towards unity is going to require extra effort from the women, I'm afraid to say. It's time for the women to step up and take the reigns. It's time for women to lead the way, cause the men can't and wont do it.

And ladies, understand this, we men are a very fragile and insecure sensitive bunch( you all know it, we get played like little fiddles, don't deny it, its true), if you can take charge, choose your words right and when and if you can do this without giving men the feeling they are being neutered, we will be your best friends, for life, no question, no argument, just let us be men when we need to be men, at work with the youngsters I tear up when a 16 year old asks me how to shave and show it to him, I grow stubbles just for that occasion and show him how its done ( try that with a leg ladies, I have seen them try and its not what is required)

I come from a family where equality was rule, my mother was one the frontrunners in the emancipation movement, sensitive yet militant( mr dad, went along to far with it for that matter and turned into a nutless squishy wimp, something ms mom did not appreciate at all, told him to grow a pair and when that did not happen they split up), basically I can tell stories for hours how equality should work ( friggin social worker parents, really), but first it has to balance out in a person individually, don't just tell each other what to do, show each other how to do it, respectfully. We have a lot more in common than bellybuttons.

As grandma used to say when she ditched Catholicism after the shyte she saw in the war, "this whole book and all others like it and all fancy rules to live our lives by can be replaced by one sentence,........Just for today, try not to be a c*nt." Obviously I have discovered this is an excellent rule and always applies.

I believe in equality, but we are by no means equal, and I believe men can adapt ( notice how I did not use the word "change") show us how and give us a choice, show us the better way, lets us decide for ourselves, when we recognize the validity we will adapt, and we have done so for many thousands of years before, if not we would be extinct, that is a fact we fully recognize, when you rub our noses in that to hard and often we will very likely become bitter drunks or suicide bummers ( you know, those fellers with the odd body warmers), we cant beat you and we know it, and we also know its not about winning or losing, we can not give birth, we cannot create live, you ladies must realize what an amazing creature you can be to us, we have got nothing on you, we know fully well we can be pretty much full of sh!t, its all you left us, goddammit.

So..... this rule applies for both sexes in all circumstances "Just for today, try not to be a c*nt"

Howg

All jokes aside, this is a great topic Ulli and I fully understand and I see it all around me, but..............not all men are the same.. take it from guy who could be your kid.

As a mother of a boy I tried hard, but to this day feel like a failure.

I don't want dismiss your feeling here, and know nothing about your attempts, but let me tell you, if you gave it your best shot, you gave it, being some ones kid my self I can say whole heartedly, kids can be total jackasses but eventually we will learn and think back to the times our mothers tried to tell or explain us something, no matter how old or wise we became, I am sure you have done just fine.

My thing was to prepare a way to spirituality thinking for him,
which I also equate with androgynous thinking,
free from male hormone influences.
No such luck, at least not so far.

You sound exactly like my mother, I understand what you tried to do here, however androgynous thinking also INCLUIDES male hormone influences, and here comes anther how ever, there are RIGHT male hormonal influences and WRONG ones, and prolly some neutral ones too.

Thanks again for the OP Ulli, a good subject to dig in to.

Ed

[johnf]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by T Smith (here)
Fascinating observations, Ulli. Perhaps those men from whom you've observed this dynamic aren't so enlightened after all. This type of social behavior sounds uniquely human (in the mammalian sense) to me.

To my experience enlightenment only means arriving at a new level in the building.
Once the novelty factor has worn off one is back to one's old tendencies, albeit with a fresh set of programs.

I like that description, yet I strongly believe in dropping the word entirely.
It is nearly impossible to use a word anyway without turning it into an object in ones mind.
If the speaker can do this, this doesn't ensure that the listener won't.
Your statement above Ulli points out that there are subtle levels to this object, and its attached programs.

The use of the word in the alternative community has gotten rather far from it's sources.
It seems to get attached to the whole conspiracy awareness thing, and that is something that I just don't hear from the
convincing non duality types.

The "enlightened" people whom I find the most convincing, stress that they are still deepening and refining the state.
I think that the challenge of occupying a body is often grossly underestimated.
I agree with Dr. Eben Alexander (link to interview(I didn't want to put this in as a video: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QOSb3G53HsA ), when he describes the whole purpose of the brain as an awareness reduction valve.
I think that in a person who is approaching the point where they have a real ability to help others move to their next threshold of awareness,
in the old paradigm, we called that a teacher or guide, the subtle programming that is left has the purpose of putting things in terms and examples that will trigger a breakthrough in the listener.

The male ego programs, if seen as spiritual fulcrums for those around the person exhibiting them can be doorways to awareness for them.
It is up to the male exhibiting this behavior, to look at their own programs, or not.
There is freedom for those that look at their own reactions and programs, no matter what brings them into action.

jf