The birth of Kate and William's baby today - a coincidence?

[BIG CAT]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by BIG CAT (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by BIG CAT (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Many yearn and live for the thrill and rush of the "story" regardless if there's any truth or not to it....a good lie with some really good juicy stuff in it told just right will get the zombies in to a frenzy and turn the world upsidedown! LOL!

The 'good lie' is already rampant, and as a result astrology is discredited, again and again.
When in reality it is the most efficient teaching tool there is for empowering the masses,
and ought to be taught to third graders.

doesn't astrology tend to discredit itself ? nothing I have ever seen or been told by any so called experts in this field has ever passed,
in fact the only thing they got spot on was the fee.

The word so-called is the real clue here. The only way to find out is to study it.
Not as hard as people think.
Basic maths.
Another plus-, when you make your own predictions there are no fees involved.

would love to have the time to study it but seems as pointless as nailing jelly to the celling!
plus, I have more pressing matters like work and spending time with my young family.

In that case I'd like to know what was your point in engaging in this conversation in the first place.

because some people allow astrology to govern their lives (and if that's what they want good luck to them) but personally I believe it to be hokum.
Anyway ulli its been good chatting to you and hope we can continue to chat on other subjects in future.
I do however believe in positive energy and will send much to your good self and those that surround you my friend.
Big cat.

[witchy1]

we are not the only ones thinking its all a bit dodgey
http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news825_kate.html

[1inMany]

I'm wondering if someone could help me here. In my entire life, I have never known a woman to go to a hospital to give birth but not have an IV set up first thing. Well, actually, that would be second thing, preceded by setting up a method of payment. Anyway, I am only aware of how it goes with the people I have met, all Americans. Does anyone know if this is different outside the US?

Because...where are the cotton balls and bandaids? In my case, I couldn't have an IV done without having bruises all over, but I understand some people have an easier time of it. And of course, I personally hate the cotton balls and bandaids so I would have ripped them off before leaving the hospital...but there would still be tell tale signs for me.

But still...just wondering. Thanks.

[ulli]

Posted by 1inMany (here)
I'm wondering if someone could help me here. In my entire life, I have never known a woman to go to a hospital to give birth but not have an IV set up first thing. Well, actually, that would be second thing, preceded by setting up a method of payment. Anyway, I am only aware of how it goes with the people I have met, all Americans. Does anyone know if this is different outside the US?

Because...where are the cotton balls and bandaids? In my case, I couldn't have an IV done without having bruises all over, but I understand some people have an easier time of it. And of course, I personally hate the cotton balls and bandaids so I would have ripped them off before leaving the hospital...but there would still be tell tale signs for me.

But still...just wondering. Thanks.

I had the same thought ...childbirth is a major physical event which leaves visible traces.
And there are none, except for a strange cone shaped belly, too pointed and too large.
Plus on the second day after giving birth there are many contractions, which are far too painful to allow for standing on high heels, in front of photographers and the public, with a never changing smile. Especially after the first birth.

[Earth Angel]

wonder about the blue polka dot dresses that Diana and Kate both wore leaving the hospital........is there any significance to polka dots? or am I mad lol

[1inMany]

I'm not actually convinced she didn't give birth to that baby, but I'm not convinced she did either. And I'm not obsessed with it, but I find it curious. Why would this be a big farce? That's one question I have.

Still, going back and forth with the situation, she sure doesn't look like the women I've known who have just given birth. For example, and trying not to be too graphic here, the strain of pushing a watermelon through a channel the size of a pencil...well, that tends to make your face puffy. And my husband would have gotten a boot in the behind (when I had recovered enough to make that happen) if he had not held onto me to make me steady if I had walked down steps the next day.

Being fair, though, there are women who recount their experiences as much, much easier.

I don't know, I'm still on the fence.

[witchy1]

I agree, I could not have worn heels either. (or any shoes actually for a few days) I think most women puff up and more so when they are late and this stick around for some days till our bodies readjust. As an aside I thought she was acting quite cold toward the baby as well. Again most mums cant take their eyes off the wonderful creation they have made and are in awe of such wonder! (IMHO again)

They do say she has trouble conceiving given her weight dropped to about 45kgs and her stay in hospital for morning sickness (ahem) was in fact time for harvesting eggs and implantation to a surrogate (seems to be on the rise for the rich) This would make (as others have pointed out) a September baby. This might account for the "suicide" of the nurse at the time of that hospitilization -given she may have had access to this knowledge.

She is in hiding now for 6 weeks at her parents, giving time for the real heir to be born....

Not sure if I beleive all that......................but it does make sense....specially the difficulty conceiving with the dramatic weight loss. I think there was some pressure to conceive - well thats what she is there for when all said and done.

[Earth Angel]

so will they make a switch with the baby we saw when the real heir is born?? in that case they should have shown us a rather small baby now not a 8.5 lb ?? this way in September when the new one is born and presented to us as a 2 month old, it would look like little scrawny George has gained a pound or two??

[witchy1]

Maybe they will deliver the "real" one early by ceaser? I dunno Earth Angel....just putting the speculation out there.

[Nick Matkin]

Could someone explain that if a baby swap is due in September, how people are expected not to notice that suddenly the child hasn't grown, or is smaller? Surely if this sort of thing was to take place the Royals would have got the timing right?

The whole story is ridiculous. She may or may not have given birth when it was claimed, but to say another one (the 'real' one?) will be coming along a month later I think is just silly. Don't forget that every possible photo of this child will be scrutinised by the public and journalists, so if it's the wrong size/age, someone's going to notice. There's so much public interest in the story that the slightest whiff of something not being quite right with this child will be surely picked up. And it'll be all over PA and similar forums.

The fact the the doctors involved with the birth both have interesting backgrounds is a little bizarre, but proof of nothing.

And another thing... Was the radio prank call from the Australian radio station just a lucky continence, or was this all part of the plan to 'kill the nurse who knew too much'? And the Australian DJs? What do they think of this theory?

What is missing from this intriguing story is any scrap of evidence. And I think we're getting perilously close to constructing one conspiracy to support another - not very stable.

Nick

[BIG CAT]

Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
Could someone explain that if a baby swap is due in September, how people are expected not to notice that suddenly the child hasn't grown, or is smaller? Surely if this sort of thing was to take place the Royals would have got the timing right?

The whole story is ridiculous. She may or may not have given birth when it was claimed, but to say another one (the 'real' one?) will be coming along a month later I think is just silly. Don't forget that every possible photo of this child will be scrutinised by the public and journalists, so if it's the wrong size/age, someone's going to notice. There's so much public interest in the story that the slightest whiff of something not being quite right with this child will be surely picked up. And it'll be all over PA and similar forums.

The fact the the doctors involved with the birth both have interesting backgrounds is a little bizarre, but proof of nothing.

And another thing... Was the radio prank call from the Australian radio station just a lucky continence, or was this all part of the plan to 'kill the nurse who knew too much'? And the Australian DJs? What do they think of this theory?

What is missing from this intriguing story is any scrap of evidence. And I think we're getting perilously close to constructing one conspiracy to support another - not very stable.

Nick

Nick, I think your spot on with your statement, sometimes people can be to quick to look for conspiracy where there maybe is none.
My wife had a baby two weeks ago and yes she went through hell (2 days in labour then forceps followed by c- section) and 36 hours later discharged feeling like she had been hit by a train, but some other women who had a natural birth were walking out of hospital (some in heels) like nothing bothered them.
Also worth pointing out the smokers would have walked on hot coals and broken glass to get their fix.

[witchy1]

So BIG CAT how many women did you actually notice "who had a natural birth walked out of hospital (some in heels) like nothing bothered them." And exactly how can you speak with such certaintly on the matter? Did you interview them in relation to their having a natural birth, date since delivery and ascertaining their current health as they were walking out? Or are your comments based entirely on your observations?
I dont understand the comment on smokers as it relates to post baby wellness. Are you saying smokers recover faster?

"The whole story is ridiculous. She may or may not have given birth when it was claimed, but to say another one (the 'real' one?) will be coming along a month later I think is just silly"
To each his own Nick - Nothing is impossible and as stated, conjecture. As an aside noone has any real proof / scrap of evidence of anything when discussing conspiracies do they?

"There's so much public interest in the story that the slightest whiff of something not being quite right with this child will be surely picked up." - Isnt that what is happening and not just here?

Do you think the Royals are beyond deception? Just a simple example.... The Queens Mothers nickname was cookie because her real mother was one of the Cooks at the Palace - but there is no "proof" of that is there?

[Flash]

When I was 5 months pregnant, I was hospitalised for a few days. In my room was another woman who had just given birth the same day. 4 hours later, she was up, no belly left, walking around, eating like a pig, no swelling except for her breast which she was lamenting about, and got up and left with her baby the same evening (4 months later I was real jealous)

With the care and treatments royals have, I would expect the mother to have it real easy.

[sheme]

Just read this entire thread!- Just reminded why I have lost interest in some of the garbage and mass hysteria pushed out by some confused folks -. Me - I stand proudly and welcome this little human child and all the other babes that have incarnated at this time to clear up our mess-- I am reminded we are responsible for all that we do and THINK- thoughts take form and stay with us and attract like minded thoughts and those that produce them, we are what we think. Take care, take control.

[sigma6]

According to Bill Schnoebelin, a former 90th degree Freemason and former Satanist, their wedding also just happened to be on an important Satanic Holiday. You would think, just to avoid the controversy, you might want to pick another date, but then again, maybe they couldn't afford to hire anyone to look into those sort of details...

[araucaria]

Posted by Flash (here)
When I was 5 months pregnant, I was hospitalised for a few days. In my room was another woman who had just given birth the same day. 4 hours later, she was up, no belly left, walking around, eating like a pig, no swelling except for her breast which she was lamenting about, and got up and left with her baby the same evening (4 months later I was real jealous)

With the care and treatments royals have, I would expect the mother to have it real easy.

Puzzling post Flash Your experience suggests that royal treatment has nothing to do with it. In my experience, some women are just born mothers, including obstetrically speaking, others not. And I gather the rich and famous seem to go for surrogate mothers because they are unwilling to find out which category they belong to.

[Flash]

Waht i wanted to say is that Kate may have had a surrogate mother, may be a naturally born mother (no problems with swelling etc), or she may have such treatments as to make the pregnancy real easy, we know they have science we do not have.

Yet, the baby may also literally be a test tube grown baby, no surrogate or anything, like in ETs' operations.

My preferred option is that she was extremely well taken care of in order to avoid discomfort or problems.

However, I reserve my opinion. The way she related to her child will be the demonstrative factor. Women who do not carry their babies in their bellies and do not give birth have a different kind of attachment, although my sister in law (who had her own and adopted children) tells me the love is as powerful for both situations. The future may tell.