The real Jesus, the real Mary, Gnosis, the Archons, and the world's first major smear campaign

[Atlas]

Mary Magdalene arriving in Marseille
(Magdalene Chapel in Assisi - 1315) :

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In 1696, Louis Antoine de Ruffi wrote in his book "Histoire de la Ville de Marseille":

"The Church of Marseille is one of the first of the Gauls.It originates from Saint Lazare whom the Jews chased away from Jerusalem with St. Martha, Mary Magdalene her sisters, Marcelle their servant, Saint Maximin, Saint Celidoine (or Sidoine) who is believed to be the man born blind, Joseph of Arimathea and other disciples of Jesus Christ, because they highly preached the resurrection of the Savior of the world, and because they had loved him dearly during his life, and to slay them, they exposed them in a vessel without sails, without oars and with no rudder, but as there is no human council that can oppose the decisions of Providence, this holy band, (as per several good authors, and a handwritten history of England, which according to Baronius is in the Vatican), fortunately landed at the port of Marseille, where having landed, it split to go preach the Gospel throughout the rest of Provence

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Saint Maximin and Saint Célidoine went to plant the faith in the city of Aix, where they were the first bishops, St. Martha and St. Marcelle in Tarascon, St. Magdalene and St. Lazarus remained in Marseille, where they preached the Gospel, converted this idolatrous people, and changed to the worship of the true God the temple of Diane into a church which has always been the seat of the bishops and commonly called the Major Church, or the Cathedral Church.

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It is true that St. Magdalene after living some time in Marseille, retired to a nearby cave, on which the abbey of Saint-Victor was built. But as it was too exposed to the importunities of the people, she went to do penance at the Sainte Baume. As for St. Lazare, he spent the rest of his days in Marseille, and ruled as bishop until the year 80 of our Lord, when he received the crown of martyrdom. "

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In 1773, Jean-Baptiste Grosson wrote in the Recueil des antiquités et des monuments marseillois qui peuvent intéresser l’histoire et les arts ("Collection of antiquities and Marseille monuments which can interest history and the arts"):

"The tradition of the Church of Marseille [...] tells us that Lazarus and his pious family when they arrived in Marseille, were lodged in the peristyle of a small abandoned temple, located before the porch of the great temple of Diane.

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The preaching of Mary Magdalene (museum of Marseille ~ 1513)

It is here that Mary Magdalene began the first preaching of the Gospel to the people of Marseille who was going to the great temple. This building is precisely designated to us as a chapel that the piety of our fathers erected in honor of the Madeleine, on the same site, to show their gratitude to this saint, and perpetuate the memory forever.

This edifice, which fell into ruin several times and rebuilt several times on the same premises, and always in honor of Madeleine, is a constant proof of the intention of our fathers, to preserve the memory of the same event.

The chapel existed from time immemorial, when it was rebuilt in 1220, and since in 1613. A piece of sculpture in bas-relief, which formerly adorned this chapel, represented Sainte Madeleine surrounded by listeners before the porch of a temple. This bas-relief is named in the titles of the twelfth century: "Petra imaginis" and "Lapis imaginis." Based on these observations, we must conclude that the portico of the Temple of Diana ended well near the crossroads of the Thirteen Corners, where is located the Chapel of the Madeleine."
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There's also this caption of an old map of Marseille :

"E. The Church of the accoles, where Mary Magdalene started preaching the Christian faith. to the King, & people of Marseille[...]"
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[nomadguy]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by buares (here)

Posted by Marin (here)
the word Sangraal, while translated "Holy Grail," could with equal justification be translated "blood royal" by breaking the word after the letter g ("sang raal") rather than before ("san graal").

Once again, I disagree with Ms Starbird on the interpretation of the word "royal".

From etymonline.com/index.php?term=grail :

grail (n.)
c.1300, "the Holy Grail," from Old French graal "Holy Grail, cup," earlier "large shallow dish," from Medieval Latin gradalis "a flat dish or shallow vessel," perhaps ultimately from Latin crater "bowl," from Greek krater "bowl, especially for mixing wine with water."

Holy Grail is anglicized from Middle English Sangreal (Saint graal), grafted awkwardly onto the Celtic Arthurian legends 12c. by Church scribes probably in place of some pagan otherworldly object.

The translation of the french word "sang" is "blood".

In my view, "Sang real" or "Sang raal" or "Saint G-raal" has no connection whatsoever with the french word "royal". I can consider "Saint Graal" meaning "Holy Blood" but not "Royal blood".

In French "raal" has no meaning and has nothing to do with "royal". Can any french speaker here confirm please ?

As best I know, I believe one would have to consult medieval French (not modern French).

From http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Holy_Grail:

An alternative theory, proposed in The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail and promoted in Dan Brown's novel The Da Vinci Code, is that the Holy Grail motif in history and literature is a coded reference to the secret descendants of Jesus. This is based in part on a etymological conjecture that the medieval French sang real (royal blood) was miswritten as san greal. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, late medieval writers came up with a false etymology for sangréal, an alternative name for "Holy Grail." The encyclopedia states that in Old French, san graal or san gréal means "Holy Grail" and sang réal means "royal blood"; later writers played on this pun. In modern French "Holy Grail" would be Saint Graal.

I have come to the the idea that what sangraal means(or had originally meant) "song" in the blood.
And that was a way of saying the harmonic form within the blood.
Or "structure" as with living water or energy chi-life force or prana.
"pure-blood" not as in pure of as in physically pure, but rather pure energy within the blood = Holy blood.

A variety of free thinkers have been asking the question that perhaps this had something to do with the fractality of plasma.
The mandala being a basic fractal shape to give a visual of the energy field possible within our being and that is can flow through the body within the breath and within the blood. The star of David is also geometrically a similar figure.

Star of David

Ohm Symbol

Sri Yantra


Whenever I see these patterns I often think of the cymatic experiments with sand and sound,


Since vibration is quite possibly what creates form, the sound of the universe is what creates form.

So to me Holy Blood means Wholeness within the blood. Fractically connected through the energy of the universe as to express -through you the quality of the universe itself.

or
~ Having Song in the blood is when the plasma in your blood is fractal. IE when you aura collects charge.

I find it doubly interesting that in the small fishing town where the women named Marriamne (Mary Magdalene) came from Magdala bears this same sort of symbol

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Notice the cup on the side as if the top fractal is when you are looking down into the cup. The side image is quite reminiscent to the graal as depicted by the Electrical Universe group, where the Graal is actually a shape produced by plasma discharge.

[Atlas]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by buares (here)

Posted by Marin (here)
the word Sangraal, while translated "Holy Grail," could with equal justification be translated "blood royal" by breaking the word after the letter g ("sang raal") rather than before ("san graal").

Once again, I disagree with Ms Starbird on the interpretation of the word "royal".

From etymonline.com/index.php?term=grail :

grail (n.)
c.1300, "the Holy Grail," from Old French graal "Holy Grail, cup," earlier "large shallow dish," from Medieval Latin gradalis "a flat dish or shallow vessel," perhaps ultimately from Latin crater "bowl," from Greek krater "bowl, especially for mixing wine with water."

Holy Grail is anglicized from Middle English Sangreal (Saint graal), grafted awkwardly onto the Celtic Arthurian legends 12c. by Church scribes probably in place of some pagan otherworldly object.

The translation of the french word "sang" is "blood".

In my view, "Sang real" or "Sang raal" or "Saint G-raal" has no connection whatsoever with the french word "royal". I can consider "Saint Graal" meaning "Holy Blood" but not "Royal blood".

In French "raal" has no meaning and has nothing to do with "royal". Can any french speaker here confirm please ?

As best I know, I believe one would have to consult medieval French (not modern French).

From http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Holy_Grail:

An alternative theory, proposed in The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail and promoted in Dan Brown's novel The Da Vinci Code, is that the Holy Grail motif in history and literature is a coded reference to the secret descendants of Jesus. This is based in part on a etymological conjecture that the medieval French sang real (royal blood) was miswritten as san greal. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, late medieval writers came up with a false etymology for sangréal, an alternative name for "Holy Grail." The encyclopedia states that in Old French, san graal or san gréal means "Holy Grail" and sang réal means "royal blood"; later writers played on this pun. In modern French "Holy Grail" would be Saint Graal.

My Dictionnaire Le Robert says the word is from the Occitan (southern French dialect) gré, or grial, derived as mentioned above, from gradalis.

However, someone was saying the other day on another thread that dictionary etymologies were doctored in the early 20th c.

Real meaning royal is not French but Spanish, as in the Real Madrid soccer team. The French word evolved from the Latin regalis to reial (late 11th c.) to roial (late 12th c.), which is close but not close enough.

Here is some clarification about this issue :

The 1655 book written by Pierre Borel ("Trésor de recherches et antiquitez gauloises et françoises réduites en ordre alphabétique") clearly states : "The Royal blood of Jesus Christ"



Reading this text, one can understand that :

"Sangreal" = "Saingreal" = "Saint greal" = "Saint Graal" = "Holy Grail".

And earlier in 1611, Randle Cotgrave's French/English Dictionary states :
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SANG + REAL (both Royal)
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= SANGREAL(Jesus Blood)
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After considering this piece of evidence, I must admit that the "royal" blood of Jesus is genuine from a 17th c. perspective so that rationalwiki, the Catholic Encyclopedia and Margaret Starbird's explanation are all correct. Sorry, my mistake...

Thanks for the advice Bill !

[araucaria]

Posted by buares (here)

Here is some clarification about this issue :

The 1655 book written by Pierre Borel ("Trésor de recherches et antiquitez gauloises et françoises réduites en ordre alphabétique") clearly states : "The Royal blood of Jesus Christ"



Reading this text, one can understand that :

"Sangreal" = "Saingreal" = "Saint greal" = "Saint Graal" = "Holy Grail".

And earlier in 1611, Randle Cotgrave's French/English Dictionary states :
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SANG + REAL (both Royal)
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Attachment 22407
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= SANGREAL(Jesus Blood)
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After considering this piece of evidence, I must admit that the "royal" blood of Jesus is genuine from a 17th c. perspective so that rationalwiki, the Catholic Encyclopedia and Margaret Starbird's explanation are all correct. Sorry, my mistake...

Thanks for the advice Bill !

Thanks for that buares!

Of course it only shows that the usage is very old, since even back in 1655 they had to 'translate' the word 'real' into French. It still looks like an instance of popular etymology, whereby people parse unfamiliar words in terms of what they know. It might be as if we started investigating the prairie tortoise. One person misunderstands the 'prayer He taught us' (the Lord's prayer), it enters the language, perhaps initially in jest, and Bob's your uncle.

Having said that, I stand corrected by Le Grand Littré, which confirms the adjective réal in ancient usages. So ultimately the jury is out as to which is the correct form and which the garbled.

[Prodigal Son]

Posted by CurtisW (here)
Here's a great clip of Joseph Campbell discussing the importance of metaphor-- and the powerful role that 'myth', as opposed to mere biography, can play in our lives.

Campbell would say the problem is essentially a literary one--a misreading of our mythology as literal truth, thus stripping it of its power to help us transcend the myth itself - for the ultimate purpose of touching the sublime power behind it.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=nIAa2xKx2hk

One of the most profound things I have learned since waking up out of the coma of Orthodox beliefs is that during those millennia when the Bible was compiled, and for thousands of years before, in fact going all the way back to Atlantis, metaphor and allegory was the standard, mainstream style of writing. Reason being, the intricacies of the metaphysical cannot be described in literal words... but can be much more accurately described in a metaphor.... and so we come to find out that literary works like Homer's The Iliad and The Odyssey are conveying the same truths as all the great myths that came out of ancient civilizations.

Just go to any good Rabbi and ask them about interpreting the OT stories literally... and they will

[Atlas]

Posted by nomadguy (here)

I find it doubly interesting that in the small fishing town where the women named Marriamne (Mary Magdalene) came from Magdala bears this same sort of symbol


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Very interesting indeed. Here is a 2min video about the Magdala Stone:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eQ-q-dy2_gM

[Wind]

As above, so below.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9lClj9Vkk3I

The Lament of Hermes

“Do you know, Asclepius, that Egypt is an image of Heaven, or to speak more exactly, in Egypt all the operations of the powers which rule and work in Heaven are present in the Earth below? In fact it should be said that the whole Cosmos dwells in this our land as in a sanctuary.

And yet, since it is fitting that wise men should have knowledge of all events before they come to pass, you must not be left in ignorance of what I will now tell you.

There will come a time when it will have been in vain that Egyptians have honored the Godhead with heartfelt piety and service; and all our holy worship will be fruitless and ineffectual.

The gods will return from earth to heaven; Egypt will be forsaken, and the land which was once the home of religion will be left desolate, bereft of the presence of its deities.

O Egypt, Egypt, of thy religion nothing will remain but an empty tale, which thine own children in time to come will not believe; nothing will be left but graven words, and only the stones will tell of thy piety.

And in that day men will be weary of life, and they will cease to think the universe worthy of reverent wonder and worship.

They will no longer love this world around us, this incomparable work of God, this glorious structure which he has built, this sum of good made up of many diverse forms, this instrument whereby the will of God operates in that which he has made, ungrudgingly favoring man’s welfare; this combination and accumulation of all the manifold things that call forth the veneration, praise, and love of the beholder.

Darkness will be preferred to light, and death will be thought more profitable than life; no one will raise his eyes to heaven; the pious will be deemed insane, the impious wise; the madman will be thought a brave man, and the wicked will be esteemed as good.

As for the soul, and the belief that it is immortal by nature, or may hope to attain to immortality, as I have taught you, – all this they will mock, and even persuade themselves that it is false.

No word of reverence or piety, no utterance worthy of heaven, will be heard or believed.

And so the gods will depart from mankind, – a grievous thing! – and only evil angels will remain, who will mingle with men, and drive the poor wretches into all manner of reckless crime, into wars, and robberies, and frauds, and all things hostile to the nature of the soul.

Then will the earth tremble, and the sea bear no ships; heaven will not support the stars in their orbits, all voices of the gods will be forced into silence; the fruits of the Earth will rot; the soil will turn barren, and the very air will sicken with sullen stagnation; all things will be disordered and awry, all good will disappear.

But when all this has befallen, Asclepius, then God the Creator of all things will look on that which has come to pass, and will stop the disorder by the counterforce of his will, which is the good. He will call back to the right path those who have gone astray; he will cleanse the world of evil, washing it away with floods, burning it out with the fiercest fire, and expelling it with war and pestilence.

And thus he will bring back his world to its former aspect, so that the Cosmos will once more be deemed worthy of worship and wondering reverence, and God, the maker and maintainer of the Mighty Fabric, will be adored by the men of that day with continuous songs of praise and blessing.

Such is the new birth of the Cosmos; it is a making again of all things good, a holy and awe-inspiring restoration of all nature; and it is wrought inside the process of Time by the eternal Will of the Creator.”

[Chester]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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I'd like to summarize my own view -- which is provisional and ongoing -- of the reality of who Jesus was, taught and stood for. It may be the most important story of our times, but for different reasons than are commonly accepted. [and the rest of this parent post and thread OP]

I just discovered this post this morning.

The "dot connection" frenzy I just experienced cannot be expressed in words nor my thanks for this post nor my appreciation for the Avalon Forum and Bill Ryan.

WoW!

EDIT added - now finally these "stories" can make some sense. I always had the feeling there were the real people and then the "information management" which resulted in another incredibly fanatical religion.

I am glad I can celebrate that before my time were real people trying their best to be helpful for the rest of us who came after.

I also must add - this is pretty much what I had come up with on my own, what my intuition suggested and most importantly (in being as honest as I can) what I wanted to believe because it seems to make sense out of so much massive disinfo.

[Houman]

Love their chants

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RwFYUJb03d0

[Chester]

In this video, Jay Weidner speaks much about the Archons.

At 1:00 Jay mentions the concept that the Archons do not have a soul and we do and that they are jealous of this (1:00:20). He then mentions (1:00:30) how, in the Book of Enoch, the Archons were captured and put into some box and dumped into the ocean but that one day they would be let out and then ends with "that they did get let loose."

I instantly internally asked "who put them in the box and who let them out!!??!" One of the interview participants asked the same question and Jay's response came out as if he had never thought of this question before... came out somewhat surprised by this and then responds with, "good question."

My intuition suggests that the primary level of the Archontic energies are unformed beings which take over various beings of form by the usurping of the mind of the target being which then allows the Archon to piggyback on that beings eternal component (the target being's Soul - which to me is the essential component of eternal beings of which I believe (note believe and note I believe this because I want to believe it but this doesn't make it true) the human being is - amongst other beings - and was meant to be by our true, prime creator).

If we consider the pattern that truths were taught via metaphor during the times when some of the revered works such as the Book of Enoch and the books that made up the Nag Hammadi and then look at this particular set of statements made by Jay Weidner, we might consider the following...

That the were able to take back charge of our own minds which essentially shut the Archons out and for some reason we have once again opened our minds to vulnerability such that these forces are able to once again take over our souls.

Now I made the above statement in general, collective terms but I point out we are each, individuals and that we each have our own responsibility as to how much we open up to these forces and as to how much of our mind we allow these forces to manage. I make this statement for those of us who have reasonable enough capacity to achieve sovereignty of our soul. It is my view there's lots of folks on planet earth at this time who have a lesser degree of capacity to do the work on their own.

Having made that last statement, make sure you do not suggest any one of us necessarily should take it upon ourselves to proactive attempt to "save" others as that action may very well be one of the worst actions we could take which may ensure we all fall into the hands of the Archontic forces and for a long, long time. But if we look at the fact that we each are connected with others and that by our example, others may choose to emulate these actions, others may ask how each of us does it... that then (in my view) becomes the logical pathway towards solution.

Accomplished via attraction rather then promotion.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rPr25wZWPSQ

[Christine]

Thanks justoneman... coincidence or not I just listened to this interview yesterday.

Jay does a very good job of laying the jigsaw puzzle pieces on the table that helps us see the emerging picture. Indeed we live in a malleable holographic universe. I recommend watching this video too!

[Chester]

Unreal - I was listening further to the above Jay Weidner interview and at moments before the 1:03:00 mark, you can hear the most eerie thing. I recommend starting to listen at just before 1:02:00 to get an understanding of what Jay was talking about... he was stating how the Nazis 60 or so years ago were actually searching for the Archons and he then tries to state the term the Nazis used for the section of the Nazi SS assigned to this task.

He states how the US military began construction of the Pentagon on September 11, 1941... exactly 60 years to the day before the very building was "attacked." In fact, 60 is the number for Anu (of the Anu / father of Enlil and Enki of Sumerian tablets fame) and also happens to be the number for Dracula in my own (simple) English to numbers code.

Anyways, at just before 1:03, Jay mentions the branck of the Nazi SS that was sent out all over the world to search for these Archons and it seems he is mentioning the name of the branch ("The Occult Brand of the SS") which is not easily understood so he is asked, "who?" He then begins to spell the name and the audio goes weird! He pronounces it Anunabi but then he begins to spell it and what he spells does not seem to be the same word but in the middle of his spelling, he hesitates and at that very moment - right at 1:03:00 you can hear a strange, deep, electronic sounding voice stating the word!

Mind Blowing - please check this out.

Why this excites me is because I have long ago believed these beings have found a way to infiltrate all things that involve electricity including electromagnetic fields. I have massive personal experiences that are the reason for my belief, but I clearly cannot prove this. Also, I do not necessarily believe they are relegated only to the electrical field but that this field may be where they are most dominant.

In essence, I have experienced clearly manipulated reality which, if indeed this is primarily a "holographic reality" (which I also believe is highly likely) then certainly through electricity and the electromagnetic fields, one's perceptions of reality could be manipulated. This is, in my opinion, exactly where the primary level of the Archontic forces have tapped into our experience. Thus they attempt to control us by manipulation of our experience which then steers our minds to "think" a particular way. And this is their attempted method to control humanity on Earth.

Please, listen and comment, folks - start at just before 1:02:00

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rPr25wZWPSQ

[Chester]

Posted by justoneman (here)
Unreal - I was listening further to the above Jay Weidner interview and at moments before the 1:03:00 mark, you can hear the most eerie thing. I recommend starting to listen at just before 1:02:00 to get an understanding of what Jay was talking about... he was stating how the Nazis 60 or so years ago were actually searching for the Archons and he then tries to state the term the Nazis used for the section of the Nazi SS assigned to this task.

He states how the US military began construction of the Pentagon on September 11, 1941... exactly 60 years to the day before the very building was "attacked." In fact, 60 is the number for Anu (of the Anu / father of Enlil and Enki of Sumerian tablets fame) and also happens to be the number for Dracula in my own (simple) English to numbers code.

Anyways, at just before 1:03, Jay mentions the branck of the Nazi SS that was sent out all over the world to search for these Archons and it seems he is mentioning the name of the branch ("The Occult Brand of the SS") which is not easily understood so he is asked, "who?" He then begins to spell the name and the audio goes weird! He pronounces it Anunabi but then he begins to spell it and what he spells does not seem to be the same word but in the middle of his spelling, he hesitates and at that very moment - right at 1:03:00 you can hear a strange, deep, electronic sounding voice stating the word!

Mind Blowing - please check this out.

Why this excites me is because I have long ago believed these beings have found a way to infiltrate all things that involve electricity including electromagnetic fields. I have massive personal experiences that are the reason for my belief, but I clearly cannot prove this. Also, I do not necessarily believe they are relegated only to the electrical field but that this field may be where they are most dominant.

In essence, I have experienced clearly manipulated reality which, if indeed this is primarily a "holographic reality" (which I also believe is highly likely) then certainly through electricity and the electromagnetic fields, one's perceptions of reality could be manipulated. This is, in my opinion, exactly where the primary level of the Archontic forces have tapped into our experience. Thus they attempt to control us by manipulation of our experience which then steers our minds to "think" a particular way. And this is their attempted method to control humanity on Earth.

Please, listen and comment, folks - start at just before 1:02:00

Note: I tried twice to report the YouTube of Jay's interview and each time what came up when I hit submit was the video of Sam Jenkins. Clearly something is trying to "tell me something... perhaps "scare" me," but Archontic forces must understand I long ago gave up my life and so there is really nothing left (on that level) to scare.

I will try again to post the correct video - wow - I discovered the reason... somehow in the address bar of browser which I had open and was listening to Jay Weidner was the address for Sam Jenkin's bases 26 video!

How could that be? Anyways - fixed now.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rPr25wZWPSQ

I e-mailed Jay Weidner about the "demonic voice" noted in my previous post and received a reply.

His response (which echoes my own reaction) - "That's scary."

I am surprised no one here seems to have checked this out. Perhaps I am making a false assumption. Perhaps people are afraid to comment.

[Christine]

Posted by justoneman (here)
I e-mailed Jay Weidner about the "demonic voice" noted in my previous post and received a reply.

His response (which echoes my own reaction) - "That's scary."

I am surprised no one here seems to have checked this out. Perhaps I am making a false assumption. Perhaps people are afraid to comment.

Hi Chester!

No fear to comment, just no time to listen again. I noted the name he was trying to spell at the time I listened... I plugged the letters as he spelled them into google, actually listened three times and never did get them right and google search produced nothing.. In a free moment I will go back and listen. Not scary, only interesting to find out what was being transmitted if there was an overlay of interference.

Did you ask Jay what the name of the Nazi occult group was? Can he write it out and give us references to check out? Thanks...

[Chester]

Posted by Christine (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
I e-mailed Jay Weidner about the "demonic voice" noted in my previous post and received a reply.

His response (which echoes my own reaction) - "That's scary."

I am surprised no one here seems to have checked this out. Perhaps I am making a false assumption. Perhaps people are afraid to comment.

Hi Chester!

No fear to comment, just no time to listen again. I noted the name he was trying to spell at the time I listened... I plugged the letters as he spelled them into google, actually listened three times and never did get them right and google search produced nothing.. In a free moment I will go back and listen. Not scary, only interesting to find out what was being transmitted if there was an overlay of interference.

Did you ask Jay what the name of the Nazi occult group was? Can he write it out and give us references to check out? Thanks...

Exactly, Christine! Thanks because I hate being alone. I am not afraid of these beings. I see these beings as part of a grander natural picture. Forgive me, but I had no clue when I wrote Jay Weidner as to how he would react. And so when I received his two word response I actually questioned whether he replied thinking he was responding to me the way he thought I might want or if he actually found it scary.

So I am going to take a risk here and share my view - NOT SCARY! but interesting in a quite scientific way.

It is us who bring these beings into our reality every bit as much as it is the intention of these beings to somehow come forth into ours. R. Morgan once gave his point of view regarding what we lump under the broad term "Archons" and it stuck with me - he contrasted the view parasitic with the view symbiotic and clearly the latter is a step closer to the solution of the imbalanced, negative influence these beings are attributed with.

In my personal life, I take 100% responsibility for all my intentional thoughts, all my words (written and spoken) and all my actions (deeds). That simple approach relegates the influence of the "archontic forces" to being no more influential upon my life than any other aspect of the holographic reality.

[Roisin]

Suffice to say, it's already been long established that Mary Magdalene's role in the early church was much more significant than what we find in the traditional Bible. But in any case, I don't worship a book or trust any religious documents written by man or even my own intellectual processing of written information of ancient Biblical documents for that matter. The only thing I trust is information that I receive in one form or another that resonates with me deeply on a heart and soul level.

If we the public actually had the proof in our hands of a document indicating that Jesus of Nazareth never died on the cross, it wouldn't matter to me one way or the other because how is that information going assist me in my spiritual growth and teach me how to be a better person? It doesn't -- and that's why such information like that is not important to me.

But what I do know is the Catholic Church is corrupt and needs to be dismantled. But that's already been happening for years now and anyone who is or was a Roman Catholic is well aware of that too. Especially for those of us in the US and Europe. But rest assured, any ancient documents like what the author of that book "The Jesus Papers" claims to have seen that violently contradicts an important part of the Jesus story, has, IMHO, most likely been destroyed by the Church so you won't find any of that kind of information in the Vatican library anywhere as there would be no reason why they would want to save such documents of that kind anyway -- not even for archaeological record keeping purposes. Like I said, the Church is corrupt.

I personally have had thoughts about joining the convent to be able to work within a Catholic Charity organization. I also would like to help to root out those pedophiles who remain active in the priesthood. I'm still going back and forth on this because even though the Church is slowly deconstructing, it will always be there at least in my lifetime. Like most Catholics, I am not in agreement with everything the Vatican tells us to believe and I'm a Gnostic Catholic but so are a lot of others in the Church too.

[araucaria]

@Christine #314:The "Nazi Occult Bureau" was called Ahnenerbe (see eg Michael Fitzgerald, StormTroopers of Satan, an Occult History of the Second World War).

Regarding the survival of Jesus, it is mostly relevant with regard to the bloodline that he left, although it is not obvious what leverage living members of this bloodline hope to gain from proving their ancestry. Most people will find undesirables in their family tree within very few generations, and it is hardly likely that a saintly forebear from two millenia ago would impress any but the most fanatically devout.

Compare this with the fact that Princess Diana was of the royal line of Stuart, which for royalty was a big deal because her son, the future king (although we may never get that far) would be a hybrid with the Windsor-Gotha-Saxe-Coburgs. For anyone else, who she was as a person was all that mattered.

[darren]

So what are people's thought's on astro-theology? This is very much how i view this subject at this point in time! It can be all summed up in this KRS-ONE track.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BMpWJpY-g0Q

[Christine]

Thank you araucaria!

In reference to the bloodline issue, ie: proving direct descendency I have little faith. In honesty I believe that in some way we are all descents. My intesest is geared toward understanding the, shall we call it "key" components that are locked into our physical bodies. We give much, as we should, toward understanding our spirit, soul, and astral natures, the understanding which is moving us to unravel our source nature.

In our lofty moments we too often forget that we are embodied spirit - surely there is a reason that this is so. This is why I look to this most current story of our Cosmic divinity in the flesh. What I strongly feel is that we chose to be here in this exact time and space to BE the LIGHT... suns of the Kosmos. Something prods me to understand the significance of this.

As I currently understand this, The Truth penetrates all dimensions of reality, as we are able to do so ourselves.

(and to darren, thank you for posting this rap! It came to me in perfect syncronicity, as my meditation/ contemplation this morning took me to the SUN., wow!)

Posted by araucaria (here)
@Christine #314:The "Nazi Occult Bureau" was called Ahnenerbe (see eg Michael Fitzgerald, StormTroopers of Satan, an Occult History of the Second World War).

Regarding the survival of Jesus, it is mostly relevant with regard to the bloodline that he left, although it is not obvious what leverage living members of this bloodline hope to gain from proving their ancestry. Most people will find undesirables in their family tree within very few generations, and it is hardly likely that a saintly forebear from two millenia ago would impress any but the most fanatically devout.

Compare this with the fact that Princess Diana was of the royal line of Stuart, which for royalty was a big deal because her son, the future king (although we may never get that far) would be a hybrid with the Windsor-Gotha-Saxe-Coburgs. For anyone else, who she was as a person was all that mattered.

[darren]

Posted by Christine (here)
(and to darren, thank you for posting this rap! It came to me in perfect syncronicity, as my meditation/ contemplation this morning took me to the SUN., wow!)

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When you say ''took me to the sun'',do you me the idea that the ''real'' jesus was not a physical being,took you to the sun,or that your meditation/ contemplation was separate from the thread topic?