Q and A about Ron Hubbard, Bill Robertson, Scientology, the Free Zone and Ron's Org

[Kindling]

Wow, John, amazing post. So much to consider and think about there I don't even know where to begin! Thanks!

[jiminii]

Posted by fourty-two (here)
Hi Jim
Thanks for all you do.
In post 337 there is a line that states.. the mistake we made was in the design………and records all the data as one big huge mess with hypnotic commands from just the words people will say when they are unconscious
Other people saying words while we are unconscious?
Or we say words while we are unconscious?
Could you please clarify this a bit more

yes other people saying words while we are unconscious .. plus anything in the environment that is going on

jim

[jiminii]

well got one more for you ... i had a cognition about all these whistle blowers popping up ,... and I got this idea ... the cabal is doing this intentionally ... they want out of this game ... this means the theta level got high enough that they are turning toward survival not toward succumb ... I think they will keep doing it to undo what they got themselves into ... so they can change over more easily ... leaving those 2 and a half percent of the world that is causing all of it .. (too insane to handle yet) but as the theta level keeps going up exponentially now ... there will be so much theta ... that even they might be able to somehow get out of their own insanity and want to change too ... so 2 and a half percent messing up 20 percent ... to keep the 80 percent down ... as the 20 percent come out of it .. then that percentage shrinks ... until the elite have no followers at all ...

yes .. I think it is subconsciously or consciously going that way

anyone else got this idea too?

jim

[johnf]

Posted by jiminii (here)
well got one more for you ... i had a cognition about all these whistle blowers popping up ,... and I got this idea ... the cabal is doing this intentionally ... they want out of this game ... this means the theta level got high enough that they are turning toward survival not toward succumb ... I think they will keep doing it to undo what they got themselves into ... so they can change over more easily ... leaving those 2 and a half percent of the world that is causing all of it .. (too insane to handle yet) but as the theta level keeps going up exponentially now ... there will be so much theta ... that even they might be able to somehow get out of their own insanity and want to change too ... so 2 and a half percent messing up 20 percent ... to keep the 80 percent down ... as the 20 percent come out of it .. then that percentage shrinks ... until the elite have no followers at all ...

yes .. I think it is subconsciously or consciously going that way

anyone else got this idea too?

jim

I have thought this sort of thing before, then never saw it manifest.
Doesn't mean things haven't been headed there for a while though.
Thanks for the invitation to go back to those thoughts.
I have a tendendency to overdue things.
I sensed from a very young age that something was wrong with the world, my family, and me.
I am not unique there at all, but your revelations about the natural clear state shed some light on why I felt the way I did in my particular case.
But I have this paranoia, and tendency to try to predict nasty stuff so I am prepared, and that can get out of hand.
I also have a tendency to see through the veils of negativity, catastrophe, and manipulation to what is beyond them.
Not only can we straighten out all the messes we have co-created over the eons, it is our our nature to do so.

I forget where I read it , but it was by Hubbard and he said that a being perpetrating harm on others was still basically good.
That is why through the overt motivator sequence,(it is out there, google it) he usually makes himself get brought to justice one way or the other.
The idea that the criminal returns to the scene of the crime, newly released prisoners writing the hold up note on the back of their parole check when they rob a bank are examples of this idea.
My favorite example is Shakespeares, the lady protests too much methinks.

Let us contribute to that motion, of these people not wanting to travel this nasty path anymore with our collective intent, and make it so!

Why not?

Jf

[novus]

Posted by johnf (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)
well got one more for you ... i had a cognition about all these whistle blowers popping up ,... and I got this idea ... the cabal is doing this intentionally ... they want out of this game ... this means the theta level got high enough that they are turning toward survival not toward succumb ... I think they will keep doing it to undo what they got themselves into ... so they can change over more easily ... leaving those 2 and a half percent of the world that is causing all of it .. (too insane to handle yet) but as the theta level keeps going up exponentially now ... there will be so much theta ... that even they might be able to somehow get out of their own insanity and want to change too ... so 2 and a half percent messing up 20 percent ... to keep the 80 percent down ... as the 20 percent come out of it .. then that percentage shrinks ... until the elite have no followers at all ...

yes .. I think it is subconsciously or consciously going that way

anyone else got this idea too?

jim

I forget where I read it , but it was by Hubbard and he said that a being perpetrating harm on others was still basically good.
That is why through the overt motivator sequence,(it is out there, google it) he usually makes himself get brought to justice one way or the other.
The idea that the criminal returns to the scene of the crime, newly released prisoners writing the hold up note on the back of their parole check when they rob a bank are examples of this idea.
My favorite example is Shakespeares, the lady protests too much methinks.

Let us contribute to that motion, of these people not wanting to travel this nasty path anymore with our collective intent, and make it so!

Why not?

Jf

Yes, I've read it to, where LRH said that, but can't remember where?

"Man is basically good. When found to be evil, he seeks to restrain or limit himself. The restraints are self imposed". It's not by accident we see many who never live to their full potential in life.

[sigma6]

Thanks Bill, that was the best "nutshell" on Scientology I have ever heard, from someone I trust. I knew it was, what I called "an applied psychology" and never a "religion" but I never had it explained that way before. I also didn't know anything about the more subtle "quantum" aspects, very much like est, silva, etc (too bad people forget that we all have latent psychic abilities, mind you, the key word is "latent") So this was a refreshing insight. The bit about the guy doing lotto numbers in advance also resonated. I remember reading an article by Kreskin who proposed the same thing was possible and explained a simple technique... which I even tried once and got 3 numbers right on my first try (but got the order wrong... ;o ) I got so self conscious about it, I never followed it up (it was like I didn't want to "ruin" my "cool experience" (lol)) A lot of people forget that Freud and Jung and many others were quite aware and talked about psychic phenomena as a matter of fact. Obviously Freud was "reigned in" (apparently due mostly because of financial reasons... the rest is history...)

I can now understand why there are people on both sides of the issue. That makes a hell of a lot more sense than having to watch Tom Cruise lather about it (lol)... kudos.

[novus]

Things which happen to us in the past, we have a tenancy to dramatize unconsciously in the present.

Here is an example.....I am sure we've all seen Hollywood movies where one person points a gun at another and commands one to "freeze" while pointing a gun at him, and the other mindlessly obeys and remains motionless ?



As children, many of us remember play acting this same script where we point a gun at another and tell them to, "freeze".

I think I have found the basic, fundamental, time and place from which all this originated.

While receiving Scientology auditing, I encountered an over crowded planet in a different star system several million years ago that used freezing as a way of immobilizing, storing, and transporting, persons against their will. It would go something like this,......a team of 3 or 4 police persons would be used to capture and transport a criminal. Once the criminal was spotted, the one with the freeze gun aimed at him would fire weapon once the team leader gave the order to freeze him.





The gun apparatus that was used reminded me of the old flame thrower type used in WW2



Later when I audited others, they described similar incidences of freezing's to mine. So, I assume this incident was pretty wide spread?

I also believe that's how many of us arrived here on earth,.... in a frozen condition. I know I did!

NOTE: None of this can be proven objectively. So, if you have no reality on what I have posted here, or if it seems far fetched, just write it off as science fiction.

[wegge]

Have you heard of Idenics, and if so, what do you think about it?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by wegge (here)

Have you heard of Idenics, and if so, what do you think about it?

Hi there, and thanks for the question!

Yes, I've heard of it, but I don't know a great deal. As best I know, it's based on original early 1950s LRH work on what he called 'Creative Processing'.

For those readers who don't know a lot about the subject, which is very interesting: 'Creative Processing' covers a whole array of similar-in-concept processes which were devised by LRH as a way of expanding ability. For some people, it really worked like a rocket-ride. But for others, it didn't work nearly so well, and so LRH set out to discover why there was such a variation in experience.

From that research, came the 'Bridge' (basically) -- which is a carefully designed series of gradated steps designed to work 100% for everyone, with no exceptions. It tackled and addressed all the introductory set-up steps which LRH discovered were necessary for everyone to be able to progress with no stops, whatever their basic level of ability, experience, or whatever life incidents may have hit them.

This is important to understand, because LRH's intention was for any process he developed to work for everyone. If it did not, for any reason, he would always discard it and go back to his research.

Some of the offshoots of scientology (like Idenics, Dianasis, Avatar, Knowledgism, and quite a bit else) were based on what LRH had discarded. Of course, there was value in all of it. But the thing to beware of is the workability -- or not.

Those people, all very well-intended, who picked up the discarded processes and techniques and then tried to form a methodology on it, may have found that it worked brilliantly on THEM (hence their enthusiasm) -- but may not work so well on everyone else. And they probably would NOT have the in-depth training or resources to fix anything that went wrong -- which is what the entire Bridge is for.

[wegge]

http://www.freezoneplanet.org/1a.html

here is a write up from the co-founder of idenics, for those who are interested, about the research line involved in Idenics and the general idea behind it. It was finally developed in 1986 by John Galusha, Hubbard´s top research auditor in the 1950s.

[Bill Ryan]

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Of interest to anyone who's read or knows of Walter Bowart's classic Operation Mind Control (download here):

Bowart also wrote a synopsis for a never-published follow-up book called The Invisible Third World War (download here).

Here's an interesting extract, from page 24:

During the very early days of MKULTRA, a formal Naval officer, L. Ron Hubbard, - aware of what the Navy was covertly doing - researched the workings of the human mind. Refusing to submit to government demands that he join the mind control psychiatrists, this man published a book called "Dianetics, The Modern Science of Mental Health".

The book proclaimed mental liberty and integrity as the birthright of humanity. When the book became a bestseller, thousands began using the techniques Hubbard discovered, testifying to "increasing mental liberty". Some of the techniques Hubbard described for the benefit of people were secretly being used by the government in an attempt to enslave. Other of the techniques Hubbard described were actually antidotes to the MKULTRA mind control methods.

The government began a vicious smear campaign against Hubbard. It was run by the CIA's mind control section. The young author had inadvertently blown the whistle on the best kept secret of the Cold War, MKULTRA. And, perhaps the young author had tipped the cryptocracy's hand on their whole IW gameplan.

Hubbard's office was ransacked and a manuscript was stolen which contained information which paralleled that which we now know as psychotronics. Ironically that manuscript carried the same title as the later manuscript by Lt. Col. Tom Bearden. Both had the name EXCALIBUR. Hubbard and his colleagues were physically attacked, and the author narrowly escaped a kidnapping attempt. A black propaganda campaign was waged against all those who subscribed to the idea of "Dianetics" for nearly 30 years.

[the_real_dave-id]

Hey Bill, I'm getting a "404 File Not Found" message when trying to access the synopsis for The Invisible Third World War. Is it me or is there a problem?

Thanks in advance for any help.

[Midnight Rambler]

Posted by the_real_dave-id (here)
Hey Bill, I'm getting a "404 File Not Found" message when trying to access the synopsis for The Invisible Third World War. Is it me or is there a problem?

Thanks in advance for any help.

I had the same problem. I did a search and found this link. http://projectcamelot.org/The_Invisi..._World_War.pdf

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by the_real_dave-id (here)
Hey Bill, I'm getting a "404 File Not Found" message when trying to access the synopsis for The Invisible Third World War. Is it me or is there a problem?

Mea culpa. Link fixed now.

http://projectavalon.net/The_Invisib..._World_War.pdf

[kanishk]

In the book called 'History Of Tegack' some ones answer to the question,

Q. What about the book Excalibur revisited? Written by Geoff Filbert.
A. This book has the entire tech from the beginning of the bridge till OT 16 written out. Make sure you do not read beyond your case level as it can key in. If everything goes wrong, the tech is still available to anyone having this book.

Who is Geoff Filbert? Why he wrote this book?

He seems to be like he did not like LRH, may be that is because he was thrown out of church many times by LRH. Accuses LRH in his book of some things in some kind of way. And on some Scientology forums I found that people talk about Geoff Filbert that he never acknowledged LRH for his contribution to the world. And that Geoff Filbert himself said later that he was very childish at that time when he wrote that book and is very naive.

This book is available in ‘Complete Library of L Ron Hubbard texts from Free Zone Scientology’ archive shared on torrent. And contains OT material in it. There are many books, transcribed lectures, Policy letters and bulletins in this archive. But how can we make sure that we do not pick something that is above our case level? I believe that all the books available in books folder can be read by anyone and has little to worry about ‘key in’.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by kanishk (here)

Q. What about the book Excalibur revisited? Written by Geoff Filbert.
A. This book has the entire tech from the beginning of the bridge till OT 16 written out. Make sure you do not read beyond your case level as it can key in. If everything goes wrong, the tech is still available to anyone having this book.

Who is Geoff Filbert? Why he wrote this book?

Hi, Kanishk --

I've never read Geoff Filbert's book, but someone I knew and greatly respected (Allen Wright, who was personally trained by Bill Robertson), told me that some of Filbert's adaptations of 'Lower Bridge' processes were inspired and very workable. On the other hand, Allen also said that Filbert's versions of the 'OT' levels (the so-called 'Upper Bridge') should be totally disregarded.

Yes, as best I know, Filbert had his quarrels with either LRH or the Church (or maybe both), and left back in the 1970s. He was a well-trained auditor, as I understand. I believe (but do not know for sure) that he is still around.

[Billy]

Posted by novus (here)
Things which happen to us in the past, we have a tenancy to dramatize unconsciously in the present.

Here is an example.....I am sure we've all seen Hollywood movies where one person points a gun at another and commands one to "freeze" while pointing a gun at him, and the other mindlessly obeys and remains motionless ?



As children, many of us remember play acting this same script where we point a gun at another and tell them to, "freeze".

I think I have found the basic, fundamental, time and place from which all this originated.


Later when I audited others, they described similar incidences of freezing's to mine. So, I assume this incident was pretty wide spread?

I also believe that's how many of us arrived here on earth,.... in a frozen condition. I know I did!

So, if you have no reality on what I have posted here, or if it seems far fetched, just write it off as science fiction.

Not science fiction my friend. Have you heard of a healing method named "Somatics" The creator Peter A, Levine, His theory is that when someone experiences Trauma it is possible for the emotion experience to be frozen within the person. His healing method Melts the frozen trauma. He has a few books, One is Waking the Tiger, My good friend is going through this healing method. After 30yrs of struggling she at last has found a method that is working. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wa...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Anyways your post reminded me, So thought i would share.

Peace

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by billyji (here)

Posted by novus (here)
Things which happen to us in the past, we have a tenancy to dramatize unconsciously in the present.

Here is an example.....I am sure we've all seen Hollywood movies where one person points a gun at another and commands one to "freeze" while pointing a gun at him, and the other mindlessly obeys and remains motionless ?



As children, many of us remember play acting this same script where we point a gun at another and tell them to, "freeze".

I think I have found the basic, fundamental, time and place from which all this originated.

Later when I audited others, they described similar incidences of freezing's to mine. So, I assume this incident was pretty wide spread?

I also believe that's how many of us arrived here on earth,.... in a frozen condition. I know I did!

So, if you have no reality on what I have posted here, or if it seems far fetched, just write it off as science fiction.

Not science fiction my friend. Have you heard of a healing method named "Somatics" The creator Peter A, Levine, His theory is that when someone experiences Trauma it is possible for the emotion experience to be frozen within the person. His healing method Melts the frozen trauma.

Thanks, Billy -- this is exactly what Dianetics does. In fact 'somatics' was a word coined by LRH, which was first defined in 'Dianetics, The Modern Science of Mental Health' (his 1950 book).

[Billy]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by billyji (here)

Posted by novus (here)
Things which happen to us in the past, we have a tenancy to dramatize unconsciously in the present.

Here is an example.....I am sure we've all seen Hollywood movies where one person points a gun at another and commands one to "freeze" while pointing a gun at him, and the other mindlessly obeys and remains motionless ?

Later when I audited others, they described similar incidences of freezing's to mine. So, I assume this incident was pretty wide spread?

I also believe that's how many of us arrived here on earth,.... in a frozen condition. I know I did!

So, if you have no reality on what I have posted here, or if it seems far fetched, just write it off as science fiction.

Not science fiction my friend. Have you heard of a healing method named "Somatics" The creator Peter A, Levine, His theory is that when someone experiences Trauma it is possible for the emotion experience to be frozen within the person. His healing method Melts the frozen trauma.

Thanks, Billy -- this is exactly what Dianetics does. In fact 'somatics' was a word coined by LRH, which was first defined in 'Dianetics, The Modern Science of Mental Health' (his 1950 book).

Well there's a coincidence I did think that the word "Somatics" sounded very LRH ish.

When speaking to my friend she also said that the somatics healing method reminded her of my shamanic healing experiences.

For example: experiencing Trauma can allow an Archetypal character to enter into your life, ( The Frozen One) This character can allow you to display emotions or feelings of insecurity, Abandonment, victim. Ect.

This Archetype will stay with you as long as you allow it. Until one day you recognize this character within, is not you. you realize that this Archetypal Character has served its purpose and no longer serves your better good, And through ceremony you say thank you for being with me, your mission is now complete. Now that you do not serve my greater good. I allow you to leave with love. You become non attached to the frozen emotions and it melts away.

Avalon, Where science and spirituality meet right enough.

Peace

[the_real_dave-id]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by the_real_dave-id (here)
Hey Bill, I'm getting a "404 File Not Found" message when trying to access the synopsis for The Invisible Third World War. Is it me or is there a problem?

Mea culpa. Link fixed now.

http://projectavalon.net/The_Invisib..._World_War.pdf

Thanks Bill, I appreciate it! AND thank you too Midnight Rambler!