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    Default Re: Japan nuclear agency upgrades Fukushima alert level

    these all reference "confidential US documents" and provide no numbers; hard to take that info very seriously. those sources seem lacking (and I'd guess since it's from 2011 some of the links are dead?)



    Quote Posted by Cognitive Dissident (here)
    On the spent fuel rods – your friend's statement is correct but not the whole story: “It is a lot more fuel than the other pools and it is still very fresh and a primary concern. Among the 50yr Fukushima cleanup plan, handling this spent fuel is the top priority however it’s much easier said than done.” This is quite a huge understatement. SPF 4 is in an unstable state, and also high off the ground – it is unlikely to be able to survive another big earthquake, hence even TEPCO admits the urgency to get those fuel rods out of there. This is not a 50 year plan issue, it is an emergency. I think the scheduled removal is starting in October-November this year, but we will see.
    It's not a good situation & needs to be fixed but it is not an emergency.. ultra large earthquakes are not that common really; but yes it needs to be fixed ASAP, 50 years is not realistic imo.
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    The problem is, with all the damage and the junk that has fallen into the pool, each rod is going to have to be removed manually and if it touches any other rod, could cause an explosion, and will also require cooling, and will also be highly radioactive, so nobody can get near this while it is happening. And what happens if there is a slip? There are over 1,000 fuel rods in SPF 4. And let's remember that SPF 4 has NO containment at all, only water provides the shielding.
    why would spent fuel rods contacting other spent fuel rods explode? this isn't nitroglycerin we are talking about.. and with spent fuel rods, water is the only "containment" needed, since the material is "spent" and very low in fissile material.

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    Reactors 1 to 3 all experienced a full meltdown and a melt-through of the primary containment. Probably some rods remain in the reactors, but most of it is melted into corium and has melted through the steel underside of the reactors, into and probably through the concrete underneath. Each lump of corium is what, 50 to 100 tons of extremely radioactive metal/concrete/etc.
    where do you get these numbers from? do you know WHY nuclear is so attractive? the energy density is immense.. fuel assemblies are generally around 3.5 m long, 96 mm wide, weigh 103 kg NOT TONS, not even close!


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    Yes, humans do not absorb plutonium naturally. But what if a tiny speck gets stuck in the lungs? It is highly, highly radioactive.
    why is plutonium in the air exactly? if that were to happen & it was in concentrated levels (such as used in a reactor) yes that would be very dangerous. that is not the case however.

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    Finally finally, no discussion of Fukushima can be complete without mentioning that cancer is fully curable, not least by using hemp oil (Google Rick Simpson). So we cannot ONLY look at Fukushima (or we would get very, very depressed)...
    it's also fully preventable by being exposed to levels of radiation currently found at fukushima by everyone who checks (or, for example, the piece of uranium ore that has been around my neck 24/7 for 5-6 months now)

    yes, you are absolutely correct, cancer is not the boogy man we are told it is.

    you have some interesting angles here but they aren't backed by numbers that seem realistic your sources seem to be lacking, if you have any thing with some real numbers or that reference something I can see not a "confidential us document" (confidential FYI is a classification level that would never be available to the public... EVER) if there is a whistle blower leaking classified information please let me know so I can review what they have, until then this is more of the same baseless information that is backed by nothing real.

    that's my exhausted-after-moving-all-day take; I could be wrong and if so please empirically show me (And the viewing audience!) where.
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    Default Re: Japan nuclear agency upgrades Fukushima alert level

    Bravo LJWheat and TargetT!!!!!

    I am still waiting for those that throw anti nuke stones (as i also did BIG TIME up until a bit over a year ago) to please please please listen to Galen's inside whistle blower information from 1985 & 1986!!!!!

    I am also requesting that those interested in this topic ask Bill Ryan to revisit this topic and listen to the Galen lectures and give his views after having listened!!!...to the best of my knowledge he has not listened and to the best of my knowledge most of the poo pooers have not listened either...

    Unless you have listened to Galen and looked at the other substantiating evidence that we have gathered for over a year now your opinion is only based on the information you have been fed via main stream media and the manipulated education system and government and such... and if your information has come from main steam media and since main stream media has had such a BIG hype on it you can be rest assured it has been part of the propaganda machine to feed fear and greed and control!!!

    Much love!!!
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    Will post something here later.
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    Default Re: Japan nuclear agency upgrades Fukushima alert level

    Hi TargeT, appreciate your response even though you are moving! Let's continue in a leisurely manner, OK?

    One of the problems in having this discussion is access to information and facts. Most of the raw data comes from TEPCO. However, TEPCO is an unreliable witness (putting it mildly). For example, they knew about leaking water for years, but did not mention it. They promoted the fiction of "cold shutdown state", which gives the impression that it is similar to a normal cold shutdown state, but is completely different, because there has been a full melt-through.

    So it's difficult to give good sources for every claim. A lot of the claims have to be backed up by reasoned argument based on available evidence. Gunderson does a lot of good and careful work using that method. I'm not saying that to try and avoid backing up my claims, just to say, this is a very tricky issue.

    Let me try and respond to your comments as best I can. There were also some of my comments which you didn't have time to respond to.

    The reactor 3 explosion was captured on film, but there is a difference of opinion as to whether it was a hydrogen explosion outside the reactor or an explosion from within the reactor. To be honest this is hard to prove conclusively. However, I was impressed by Gunderson's argument that the explosion was a lot bigger than the reactor 1 explosion. I can try and dig up his video on this, it will be at fairewinds.com somewhere, from 2012 I think/

    We agree that removing the fuel rods from SPF 4 is urgent. I always thought that the phrase "spent fuel rod" was somewhat weasel; there is still plenty of fissile and radioactive material there, just not enough for the purposes of the reactor. I appreciate the rods are not nitroglyerine, but if one drops and ends up right next to another one, is there not a danger of criticality?

    The size of the corium can only be guessed at. However, according to Wikipedia (likely to be conservative and rely on TEPCO data), there is a lot of material in each reactor:

    From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushi..._1_Reactor%29:

    F. Tanabe has estimated that the core contained the following materials:[36]

    Uranium dioxide 78.3 tons
    Zirconium 32.7 tons
    Steel 12.5 tons
    Boron carbide 590 kilogram
    Inconel 1 ton

    [36] F. Tanabe, Journal of Nuclear Science and Technology, 2011, vol 48, issue 8, pages 1135 to 1139

    Total over 100 tons, plus mix some concrete in there too, even if the whole thing didn't melt, you are talking a pretty huge lump. I can't find the details for reactors 2 and 3 but they are going to be in the same ballpark.

    Plutonium - was released from reactor 3. We know that reactor 3 contained plutonium and experienced a full melt-through and a large explosion. It is only logical to expect that plutonium would be released into the environment. TEPCO have admitted plutonium release after denying it for a long time:

    http://fukushima-diary.com/2013/04/t...hima-accident/

    Finally, a general question for you TargeT - where do you think the coriums are, and what is your prognosis for the situation generally?
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    IMHO ----- I just don’t get these people, is it too simple.. ?

    Before the NRC there was a man exposing his boss who began the NRC.. everything from that point on is and will remain all fabrication (lie's)

    Before ( cold war / NRC ) Galen was the Lewis and Clark explorer, in this field of free energy, when the controllers heard the word free. up popped the NRC, and every steam accident that happened, "look Look , see i told you it was dangerous from the NRC"

    A hundred years a go they had problems with steam boats blowing up on the nations rivers -- steam is very dangerous. and that is what give’s you power in a reactor STEAM regardless of the heat source its steam buildup that has caused these catastrophic disasters.

    This Is why I know none of your nay slayer’s have not listened to Galen Winsor lecture, this and more information is so simple to understand, the man lay’s it all out for you.

    All the technical jargon the NRC has played out for us has filled our heads with so much cotton , its no wonder why we can not hear the small voice of reason that controls the part in our heads call critical thinking.

    And as Avalonions we are known for listening, with mouth shut / listening to that small voice, and moving down the rabbit hole faster and farther than most on this planet of matrix lie’s built to keep us under control and paying taxes to the king’s of this world.

    Knock , Knock, Mc Fly wake up what they put in our heads is wrong. When did we give our right to think with out stats and number and proof -- who’s proof the NRC , MSN, NBC, BBC, RT news feeding us NRC numbers / oat meal ,, boy do we love oat meal , really taste good going down , but latter we have a tummy ache?

    How many time’s are we going to run looking for that left handed hammer the NRC keeps asking us to go get, while they laugh there ass’s off. Hook line and sinker………..

    Hiroshima & Nagasaki were hit with the real Mc Coy nuclear radiation, blast and all. Not a dead zone for 5 thousand years. BUT ------
    Chernobyl & Fukushima Steam accidents --- Dead Zone’s for life to keep people out from seeing what’s really going on.

    And as fare as cancer--- any doctor will tell you the sample they send out to test … is to find out what type of fungus it is.. The word CANCER is the label they have given that cover thousands of fungus that can go hay wire in our body’s. there is no cure for a label. But there are thousands of cure for fungus. And radiation at low levels no fungus will survive… shhhh you might kill an industry or drugs and doctor’s and research should this become common knowledge you die of a fungus not a label. The controllers us with fear as an attachment shhhhh. Cancer is a label not a substance. Fungus on the other had is tangible something real you can deal with and fight or cure.

    Its all about twisting the word we us, against us, for money or power. Critical thinking, will set us free. Not cooked up numbers and label’s meant to deceive all that listen to them. Get back to questioning everything, and quit thinking this is your world. Its not: its always been theirs, you were born here , you didn’t invent it. And we have a bad habit of believing what we are told instead of checking it out first hand.. Just like Galen Winsor did before the NRC stepped in with there cover up lie’s to keep free energy locked away, and with our natural fears that only needed a nudge with a mushroom cloud to do it.

    As Shelly would say on “Big Bang theory “ Bazzinga we have been had since day one / our birth..



    Galen Winsor the other story. before the NRC and my opinions.
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    I sure would like Bill Ryan to give us his take on the Galen lectures...

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    Yep, those who think that radiation is not harmful to human beings in above normal doses should personally volunteer to go and clean up the mess!

    People are flawed and cannot be trusted, so anything that is potentially dangerous will become so.

    Anyone here read detailed accounts about Hiroshima and Nagasaki? It is the Japanese who are most threatened by the mess at Fukishima. There is the expertise to clean this mess up, but because of the character of the Japanese, the usual destructive corporate interests of profit that poisons everything, the denialism and refusal to accept the paying off of karmic debt by Americans, and the fact that most people in the world don't really care if they are not directly affected (so, denial in America is actually understandable because the risk for Americans is minimal), it has not been done and Japan is yet again vulnerable to the destruction of excessive radiation. But this time, no one can say they did not know.

    Yes, there is a problem and it the mess has not been sorted out even though we have had more than enough time to do so and have the expertise to do so.

    PS I was living in southern England when Chernobyl blew and I am still alive and cancer free. Many people close to Chernobyl when it blew were not so lucky.
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    I sure would like Bill Ryan to give us his take on the Galen lectures...
    Especially Bill, a seasoned whistle blower interviewer, would see threw any discrepancies, on either side pro or con. The hall mark in in-depth critical thinking. I for one would gladly clean up Fukushima, and when nothing happened to me , like nothing happened to Galen Winsor all the years he worked with this stuff, till the NRC showed up and said he couldn’t do that anymore. His response is the same as mine now Why?
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    Default Re: Japan nuclear agency upgrades Fukushima alert level

    Who is saying radiation is healthy at above normal doses.
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    Default Re: Japan nuclear agency upgrades Fukushima alert level

    To be honest, I think Galen Winsor should have his own thread, separate from the Fukushima thread (obviously they are related, but quite different in terms of the content of the discussion).

    I have just searched - Kimberley started it today.

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...cam-lectures--

    The NRC is no doubt a corrupt and repressive organisation. But that doesn't prove anything about the health (ill) effects of radiation.

    According to the internets. Galen Winsor died of leukemia.

    However, that is ad hominem reasoning so not strictly applicable. I will have to watch his vidoes and post my thoughts on the other thread.

    I await TargeT's subsequent thoughts on Fukushima after he has had a rest from moving house.

    Here is the latest on where the corium might be and the consequences:

    http://enenews.com/experts-portion-o...diation-levels

    http://enenews.com/new-york-times-ul...he-worst-radia

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    I like Dr. Sircus's newsletters, and his latest one is concerned mostly with Fukushima, at:
    http://drsircus.com/medicine/does-th...f429d-10646942
    I am going to email him and send him links to the Galen Winsor vids to see if he thinks there is any possibility there is a conspiracy within a conspiracy inherent in the radioactivity issue, though I think only nuclear scientists and perhaps some whistleblowers may know for sure, at this point, at least, other than the controllers, of course....
    Here's the article:
    Quote Does the Future Have a Future?
    Posted by STAFF - Matheus on August 26, 2013 Last week over a thousand men women and children were attacked and many killed with chemical weapons in Syria and last year over 850,000 people in America were arrested for marijuana-related crimes ending a quality of life that is hard to recover when labeled a criminal and thrown behind bars.

    Why did 850,000 people in America alone get arrested? Because society and modern civilization has created professions filled with human beasts. Most of us know and understand how beastly pharmaceutical interests are and how modern medicine has become the practice of health terrorism. Pharmaceutical interests and other groups work to keep marijuana illegal so Americans don’t have the option of cheap medical alternatives to their products.

    Howard Wooldridge, a retired police officer who now lobbies the government to relax marijuana prohibition laws, told Republic Report that next to police unions, the “second biggest opponent on Capitol Hill is big Pharma” because marijuana can replace “everything from Advil to Vicodin and other expensive pills.”

    He also said that police departments across the country have become dependent on federal drug war grants to finance their budget. Private prison corporations make millions by incarcerating people who have been imprisoned for drug crimes, including marijuana. Fearing competition for the dollars Americans spend on leisure, alcohol and tobacco interests have lobbied to keep marijuana out of reach. Prison guard unions have a vested interest in keeping people behind bars just like for-profit prison companies. In 2008, the California Correctional Peace Officers Association spent a whopping $1 million to defeat a measure that would have “reduced sentences and parole times for nonviolent drug offenders while emphasizing drug treatment over prison.”

    What is so beastly about these people and organizations efforts to keep medical marijuana away from the people? We do not have to look further than the use of medical marijuana for the treatment of radiation sickness. Now why would anyone worry about radiation today with governments on their eternal perch telling us how safe nuclear radiation is?

    It’s Safe I Tell You

    The New York Times printed an article recently titled, ‘Experts Foresee No Detectable Health Impact from Fukushima Radiation.’ The UN is concluding that, “It is unlikely to be able to attribute any health effects in the future among the general public and the vast majority of workers.”

    The operator of Japan’s crippled Fukushima nuclear plant said on August 23, 2013 that new spots of high radiation levels had been found near storage tanks holding highly contaminated water, raising fear of fresh leaks as the disaster goes from bad to worse. The announcement comes after Tokyo Electric Power Co (Tepco) said already last week that contaminated water with dangerously high levels of radiation was leaking from a storage tank.

    Japan’s nuclear crisis is escalating. That’s really bad news for the human race unless you are one of the many people who believe that nuclear radiation is not a problem. Doctors who use it for diagnosis and treatment believe nuclear radiation is safe enough to use in medicine. Science knows that increasing levels of radiation exposure leads to increases in cancer rates but medical scientists insist on using something that causes cancer (radiation) to treat it.

    Everyone needs to read what National Geographic is saying about the rising tensions in Japan as radioactive water leaking into the Pacific Ocean gets dangerously worse. The Japanese government now says it is clear that 300 tons (71,895 gallons/272,152 liters) are pouring into the sea each day, enough to fill an Olympic-size swimming pool every eight days.

    A mathematical model developed by Changsheng Chen of the University of Massachusetts at Dartmouth and Robert Beardsley of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute found that radioactive particles disperse through the ocean differently at different depths. The scientists estimated that in some cases, contaminated seawater could reach the western coast of the United States in as little as five years. Buesseler thinks the process occurs a bit more rapidly, and estimates it might take three years for contamination to reach the U.S. coastline.

    But don’t worry. It’s not likely to have any real measurable effect on anyone or anything. That is what Forbes Magazine would have its readers believe. Reuters is reporting something different though. “The latest leak is so contaminated that a person standing half a meter (1 ft. 8 inches) away would, within an hour, receive a radiation dose five times the average annual global limit for nuclear workers. After 10 hours, a worker in that proximity to the leak would develop radiation sickness with symptoms including nausea and a drop in white blood cells.

    "That is a huge amount of radiation. The situation is getting worse," said Michiaki Furukawa, who is professor emeritus at Nagoya University and a nuclear chemist. Yuhei Sato, the governor of the Fukushima prefecture in Japan, has described the leak a national emergency.

    In April, 2013 The Washington Blog reported that:

    A quick calculation shows that it is about ten thousand times less than the amounts released by Chernobyl during the actual fire at the Russian nuclear plant. But the Chernobyl fire only lasted 10 days …and the Fukushima release has been ongoing for more than 2 years so far.

    Indeed, Fukushima has already spewed much more radioactive cesium and iodine than Chernobyl. The amount of radioactive cesium released by Fukushima was some 20-30 times higher than initially admitted.

    Fukushima also pumped out huge amounts of radioactive iodine 129 – which has a half-life of 15.7million years. Fukushima has also dumped up to 900 trillion becquerels of radioactive strontium-90– which is a powerful internal emitter which mimics calcium and collects in our bones – into the ocean. And the amount of radioactive fuel at Fukushima dwarfs Chernobyl … and so could keep leaking for decades, centuries or millenia.

    There is life on earth but the question is for how much longer? Life is going to get harsher on the planet’s surface so no wonder that governments and many rich people have built underground complexes. This question is not just a racial and planetary question. It’s also an individual one that we have to face. Sooner or later our lives end (though our spirits can go on). The timing of our physical demise is not entirely under our control but we can affect life extension in the face of hurricanes of toxicity.

    Radiation at Extremely Low Levels

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    It is the inability to see the effects of chronic,
    low level toxicities on human health that has been,
    and remains, our greatest failing as intelligent beings.
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    The world has never awakened to Dr. Haley’s warning of many years ago. His warning to the world’s scientists and doctors has mostly gone unnoticed meaning we are left with a government, medical officials and doctors who have no idea of the real dangers people and children are facing as an entire nuclear plant with six reactors is abandoned and goes dangerously out of control.

    In July of 2005 the National Academy of Sciences came to the conclusion that the preponderance of scientific evidence shows that even very low doses of radiation pose a risk of cancer or other health problems and there is no threshold below which exposure can be viewed as harmless.[1] Forbes Magazine’s essay on Fukushima is journalistic trash but what can we expect from beasts in the face of a human nightmare that is promising our children a chilling future.

    Now for the Really Bad Radiation News

    In the future we are not going to be dealing with radiation at extremely low levels. This past week we learned that deep beneath Fukushima’s crippled nuclear power station a massive underground reservoir of contaminated water that began spilling from the plant’s reactors after the 2011 earthquake and tsunami, has been creeping slowly toward the Pacific sea.

    Now, 2½ years later, experts fear it is about to reach the ocean and greatly worsen what is fast becoming a new crisis at Fukushima: the inability to contain vast quantities of radioactive water.

    The looming crisis is potentially far greater than the discovery earlier this week of a leak from a tank that stores contaminated water used to cool the reactor cores. Experts believe the underground seepage from the reactor and turbine building area is much bigger and possibly more radioactive, confronting the plant’s operator, Tokyo Electric Power Co., with an invisible, chronic problem and few viable solutions.

    Two Years Ago

    “Radiation is continuing to leak out of the reactors, the situation is not stable at all, radiation continues to leak,” said Dr. Michio Kaku, professor of theoretical physics at the City University of New York and top graduate of Harvard. “We are looking at a ticking time bomb. It appears stable but the slightest disturbance, a secondary earthquake, a pipe break, evacuation of the crew at Fukishima could set off a full scale meltdown at three nuclear power stations—far beyond what we saw at Chernobyl.”

    Kaku said this two years ago. The press has been quiet about Fukushima these past two years but things are worsening to the point where events are breaking into the mainstream press. “The Tepco utility people are outclassed and overwhelmed and should be removed from their positions. They are ‘making it up as they go along’,” Dr. Kaku has said since the beginning, of the efforts of engineers to get this disaster under some control. He also said, “We would see increases in leukemias and thyroid cancers from the massive amounts of radioactive iodine being released.”

    Recent reports (Aug. 2013) are already showing a disturbing increase in thyroid cancers in the children in the area surrounding Fukushima. The latest figures released by regional authorities brings the total number of children who have been diagnosed with or suspected of having cancer to 44, up from 28 as of June, The Asahi Shimbun national daily reports.

    Conclusion

    It really is not a fun time to be alive on planet earth especially if you are forward looking because one has children. One still can have fun and we need to relax otherwise the stress will do us in but we have to protect our children. Parents know this is not easy but certain issues are going critical. This week I will publish ‘Nuclear Pollution Hits the Young the Hardest’ for parents who are brave enough to act.
    [1] The linear no threshold model or LNTM is a model of damage done by radiation. This model assumes that the response to radiation exposure is linear and that this linear relationship continues to very small doses, that is to say that there is no threshold of exposure below which the response ceases to be linear. When it comes to radiation if a particular dose of radiation is found to produce one extra case of a type of cancer in every thousand people exposed, the LNTM predicts that one thousandth of this dose will produce one extra case in every million people so exposed, and that one millionth of this dose will produce one extra case in every billion people.

    Dr. Mark Sircus, Ac., OMD, DM (P)

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    Doctor of Oriental and Pastoral Medicine
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    I sure would like Bill Ryan to give us his take on the Galen lectures...
    For those who may not have seen, I replied yesterday, here:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post719815

    Hi, Kimberley and all -- it's a difficult issue. I've watched half of his presentation, but not yet all of it.

    I can see he comes across as earnest and sincere, and I'm also well aware that it's almost impossible to square what he says with my understanding of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of straight-on, unbiased scientific studies that conclude exactly the opposite. A very large number of laboratory animals have died proving that radiation is very harmful for animal bodies. It's easy to find images if you can stomach looking at them.

    I have no way of testing this myself. I am far from convinced. I'm not sure I'd like to eat a Cesium sandwich or go swimming in the Fukushima reactor pool.

    It may not be wise or smart to base the claims of just one man, who was not in a laboratory to prove his claims beyond any doubt, but only speaking to an audience at a podium, and who is not with us any more to ask about Fukushima or anything else, in order for us to sleep easy about the problem and tell ourselves that there's no issue of any kind.

    That would seem to be to be folly of the highest order: basing our entire emotional and logical response on the basis of what we WANT to hear and be reassured of. That's my concern. Tens (of not hundreds) of thousands of people who lived near Chernobyl died of something. That data, and the images of the victims, are not faked or falsified. Even allowing for a distortion factor of ten (which is a lot!) -- there is a problem there.

    A well-attested and witnessed public case is that of the Russian Nuclear submarine the K-19, which experienced a critical reactor accident in 1961.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_submarine_K-19



    There was an excellent movie about it, with Harrison Ford and Liam Neeson. The film is harrowing: it accurately depicts the very heroic Russian submariners going into the failed reactor one by one to try to save the situation. They all died within days. Here are the details:


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    Hey folks,

    Check out this video, from InfoWars. I´m not sure if it´s already posted here; If it is, sorry.

    The Coming Fukushima Global Disaster with Dr. Christopher Busby

    “New Leaks” have been discovered, 240 megatons of potentially explosive radioactive material on site, mutations of local plants and wild life, etc."



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    ADD:

    For those who still believe radiation is not dangerous, check out this Brazilian case, usually called "The Goiânia Radiation Incident".

    Please, read the links. This is very important.

    Summary:

    Quote In September of 1987, scavengers dismantled a metal canister from a radiotherapy machine at an abandoned Cancer Clinic in Goiania, Brazil. Five days later a junkyard worker pried open the lead canister to reveal a pretty blue, glowing dust: radioactive cesium-137. In the following days, scores of Goianian citizens were exposed to the radioactive substance. In a nuclear disaster second only to Chernobyl, the city of Goiania had one of the largest radioactive leaks on its hands and for a few days, they knew nothing about it.
    Full article/Case Study: Accidental Leakage of Cesium-137 in Goiania Brazil in 1987.

    Additional links regarding the incident:

    The Goiânia Radiation Incident <<< very complete and detailed report.

    Cesium-137: A Deadly Hazard

    This is an ongoing situation. Many people from the region still suffer from radioactive contamination related illness.

    So, if you don´t believe nuclear energy and radioactive materials can be deadly dangerous, please, feel free to rub radioactive Cesium-137 powder in your skin just to see what happens...

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    I follow Mark and receive his newsletter too. I did email him back when the Galen Winsor video was first posted. He was kind enough to respond and basically said that he didn't find much there to change his mind about the dangers we are currently facing because of Fukushima and the related radiation exposure. I would gladly post the email except that I am on a borrowed laptop with an old operating system that doesn't work with Hotmail's new look Outlook, so I can't search my emails.

    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    I like Dr. Sircus's newsletters, and his latest one is concerned mostly with Fukushima, at:
    http://drsircus.com/medicine/does-th...f429d-10646942
    I am going to email him and send him links to the Galen Winsor vids to see if he thinks there is any possibility there is a conspiracy within a conspiracy inherent in the radioactivity issue, though I think only nuclear scientists and perhaps some whistleblowers may know for sure, at this point, at least, other than the controllers, of course....

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    I also posted on Kimberley's other thread:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post720150
    My honest opinion of Galen Winsor:

    There seem to be three possibilities (in no special order here) -->
    • He's a freak of nature (not an insult: there may be something remarkable about his body that most other bodies don't share)
    • He's lying or deluded (or has been paid to lie)
    • There's something about radiation that we don't yet understand.
    There may well be anecdotal evidence that Galen Winsor was able to survive (and even enjoy!) high doses of radiation, but we can't take this unique case to mean that everyone else is quite wrong and that there's a vast conspiracy to convince us that radiation is dangerous while in fact it's perfectly safe.

    It'd be extremely dangerous folly to look the other way, with our telescopes to our blind eyes, convincing ourselves -- because many people really want to believe it! -- that there's no problem. I suggest that we just can't afford to take that risk.

    What that means in practical terms is different for each person. Personally, I'm happy not to be living on the North American Pacific coast, I take iodine supplements routinely, and I'm curtailing my intake of tuna (which accumulates radiation as it's so high on the food chain). Otherwise, I'm relaxed. But if Fukushima #4 containment building collapses, as appears quite possible, we may well have a huge, huge problem that could seriously affect a very wide area indeed.

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    This video just came from the Forbidden Knowledge newsletter:
    Quote US Death Rates Increase from Fukushima Fallout
    (from Coast to Coast show, published on youtube Jun 27, 2013

    Dr. John Apsley reports on the increased
    deaths in North America that he believes
    are associated with the Fukushima
    catastrophe and radiation leaks.

    There was a spike in infant mortality rates
    within the first 10 weeks of the catastrophe
    in cities across the US, and the radiation
    contamination likely came through rainfall,
    he said, adding that infants were particularly
    susceptible because of their reduced thyroid
    function.

    He attributes 14,000 deaths in the US so
    far to the fallout from Fukushima.

    Video (about 29 mins):



    http://www.ForbiddenKnowledgeTV.com/page/24143.html
    Each breath a gift...
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    ...we can't take this unique case to mean that everyone else is quite wrong and that there's a vast conspiracy to convince us that radiation is dangerous...
    HOW DANGEROUS IS RADIATION?

    Radiation consists of several types of subatomic particles, principally those called gamma rays, neutrons, electrons, and alpha particles, that shoot through space at very high speeds, something like 100,000 miles per second. They can easily penetrate deep inside the human body, damaging some of the biological cells of which the body is composed.

    But before we shed too many tears for the poor fellow who was struck by one of these particles of radiation, it should be pointed out that every person in the world is struck by about 15,000 of these particles of radiation every second of his or her life […] These particles, totalling 500 billion per year, or 40 trillion in a lifetime, are from natural sources. In addition, our technology has introduced new sources of radiation like medical X-rays — a typical X-ray bombards us with over a trillion particles of radiation.

    In order to discuss radiation exposure quantitatively, we must introduce the unit in which it is measured, called the millirem, abbreviated mrem. One millirem of exposure corresponds to being struck by approximately 7 billion particles of radiation

    We frequently hear stories about incidents in which the public is exposed to radiation; radioactive material falling off a truck; contaminated water leaking out of a tank or seeping out of a waste burial ground; a radioactive source used for materials inspection being temporarily misplaced; malfunctions in nuclear plants leading to releases of radioactivity; and so on.

    The thing I always look for in these stories is the radiation exposure in millirems, but it is hardly ever given. Eventually it appears in a technical journal, or I trace it down by calls to health officials. On a very few occasions it has been as high as 5-10 mrem, but in the great majority of cases it has been less than 1 mrem. In the Three Mile Island accident, average exposures in the surrounding area were 1.2 mrem — this drew the one-word banner headline "RADIATION" in a Boston newspaper.

    In the supposed leaks of radioactivity from a low-level waste burial ground near Moorhead, Kentucky, there were no exposures as high as 0.1 mrem; yet this was the subject of a three-part series in a Philadelphia newspaper bearing headlines "It's Spilling All Over the U.S.," "Nuclear Grave is Haunting KY," and "There's No Place to Hide." In the highly publicized leak from a nuclear power plant near Rochester, New York, in 1982, no member of the public was exposed to as much as 0.3 mrem. Yet this was the top news story on TV network evening news for two days.

    We are constantly bombarded from above by cosmic rays showering down on us from outer space, hitting us with 30 mrem per year; from below by radioactive materials like uranium, potassium, and thorium in the ground — 20 mrem/year; from all sides by radiation from the walls of our buildings (brick, stone, and plaster are derived from the ground) — l0 mrem/year; and from within, due to the radioactivity in our bodies (mostly potassium) — 25 mrem/year. All of these combined give us a total average dose of about 85 mrem per year from natural sources, or 1 mrem every 4 days. Thus, radiation exposures in the above mentioned highly publicized incidents are no more than what the average person receives every few days from these natural sources.

    Diagnostic X-rays are our second largest source of whole body exposure. A dental X-ray gives us about 1 mrem, and a chest X-ray gives us about 6 mrem, but nearly all other X-rays give far higher exposures9: pelvis, 90 mrem; abdomen, 150 mrem; spine, 400 mrem; barium enema, 800 mrem. Often a series of X-rays is taken, giving total exposures of several thousand millirems. The average American gets about 80 mrem per year from this source, 80 times the exposure in the highly publicized radiation incidents.

    There are several trivial sources of whole body radiation that give us about 1 mrem: an average year of TV viewing, from the X-rays emitted by television picture tubes; a year of wearing a luminous dial watch, since the luminosity comes from radioactive materials; and a coast-to-coast airline flight, because the high altitude increases exposure to cosmic rays. Each of these activities involves about the same radiation exposure as the highly publicized incidents.

    All of the above-listed sources bombard all organs of our body, but the most important source of our exposure to radiation is radon gas in our homes […] About 5% of us, 12 million Americans, get more than 1,000 mrem per year, and perhaps 2 million Americans get over 2,000 mrem per year from radon. In a few houses, exposures have been found to be as high as 500,000 mrem per year.

    How dangerous is 1 mrem of radiation? [...] in most situations, for each millirem of radiation we receive, our risk of dying from cancer is increased by about 1 chance in 4 million. This is the result arrived at independently by the U.S. National Academy of Sciences Committee on Biological Effects of Ionizing Radiation and the United Nations Scientific Committee on Effects of Atomic Radiation. The International Commission on Radiological Protection has always accepted estimates by these prestigious groups, as has the U.S. National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements, the British National Radiological Protection Board, and similar groups charged with radiation protection in all technologically advanced nations.

    This risk corresponds to a reduction in our life expectancy by 2 minutes. A similar reduction in our life expectancy is caused by
    • crossing streets 5 times (based on the average probability of being killed while crossing a street)
    • taking a few puffs on a cigarette (each cigarette smoked reduces life expectancy by l0 minutes)
    • an overweight person eating 20 extra calories (e.g., a quarter of a slice of bread and butter)
    • driving an extra 5 miles in an automobile
    There has been intermittent publicity over the years about the fact that nuclear power plants, as a result of minor malfunctions or even in routine operation, occasionally release small amounts of radioactivity into the environment. As a result, people living very close to a plant receive about 1 mrem per year of extra radiation exposure. From the above example we see that, if moving away increases their commuting automobile travel by more than 5 miles per year (25 yards per day), or requires that they cross a street more than one extra time every 8 weeks, it is safer to live next to the nuclear plant, at least from the standpoint of routine radiation exposure.

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    We now turn to the question of why the public became so irrationally fearful of radiation. Probably the most important reason is the gross overcoverage of radiation stories by television, magazines, and newspapers. Constantly hearing stories about radiation as a hazard gave people the subconscious impression that it was something to worry about.

    We often heard about "deadly radiation" or "lethal radioactivity," referring to a hazard that hadn't claimed a single victim for over a decade, and had caused less than five deaths in American history. But we never heard about "lethal electricity," although 1,200 Americans were dying each year from electrocution; or about "lethal natural gas," which was killing 500 annually with asphyxiation accidents.

    A more important problem with TV stories about radiation was that they never quantified the risk. I can understand their not giving doses in millirem — that may have been too technical for their audience — but they could have easily compared exposures with natural radiation or medical X-rays. In the 1982 accident at the Rochester power plant, which was the top story on the network evening news for two days, wouldn't it have been useful to tell the public that no one received as much exposure from that accident as he or she was receiving every day from natural sources?

    It was my impression that TV people considered the official committees of scientific experts to be tools of the nuclear industry rather than objective experts. […] To believe that nearly all of these scientists were somehow involved in a sinister plot to deceive the public indeed challenges the imagination.

    For those who can't understand why television excessively covered and distorted information about the hazards of radiation, I believe it was because their primary concern is entertainment rather than education. One point in the ratings for the network evening news is worth $11 million per year in advertising revenue. In that atmosphere, what would happen to a TV producer who decided to concentrate on properly educating the public rather than entertaining it?

    As an illustration of the low priority the networks place on their educational function, I doubt if there are more than one or two Ph.D. level scientists in the full-time employ of any television network, in spite of the fact that they are the primary source of science education for the public. Even a strictly liberal arts college with no interest in training scientists typically has one Ph.D.-level scientist for every 200 students, whereas the networks have practically none for their 200 million students.

    If TV producers took their role of educating the public seriously, they would have considered it their function to transmit scientific information from the scientific community to the public. But this they didn't do. They wanted to decide what to transmit, which means that they made judgments on scientific issues. When I brought this to their attention, they always said that the scientific community was split on the issue of dangers from radiation. […] Their position was that, since the scientific community was split, they had no way to find out what the scientific consensus was.

    My strong impression was that they weren't really interested in what scientists had concluded. They were only after a story that would arouse viewer interest. Clearly, a scare story about the dangers of radiation serves this purpose best.

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    Because of the factors we have been discussing and perhaps some others, the public has become irrational over fear of radiation. Its understanding of radiation dangers has virtually lost all contact with the actual dangers as understood by scientists.

    Perhaps the best example of this was the howl of public protest when plans were announced more than a year after the accident at Three Mile Island to release the radioactive gas that had been sealed inside the containment structure of the damaged reactor. This was important so that some of the safety systems could be serviced, and it was obviously necessary before recovery work could begin.

    Releasing this gas would expose no one to as much as 1 mrem, and the exposure to most of the protesters would be a hundred times less. Simply traveling to a protest meeting exposed the attenders to far more danger than release of the gas; moreover, an appreciable number fled the area, traveling a hundred miles or more, at the time of the release.

    Recall that 1 mrem of radiation has the same risk as driving 5 miles or crossing a street five times on foot. Needless to say, the statements of fear by the protesters were transmitted to the national TV audience with no accompanying evidence that their fears were irrational.

    One disheartening aspect of that episode was the effort by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) to handle it. An early survey of the local citizenry revealed that there was substantial fear of the release of the gas. The NRC therefore undertook a large program of public education, explaining how trivial the health risks were. When this public education campaign was completed, another poll of the local citizenry was taken. It showed that the public's fear was greater than it was before the campaign. The public's reaction on matters of radiation defied all rational explanation.

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    When a particle of radiation penetrates a cell, the damage it does may cause the cell to die. If enough cells in a body organ die, the organ may cease to function, and this can lead to a person's death by what is termed radiation sickness. A dose of 500,000 mrem received over a short time period gives about a 50% risk of death, and with 1,000,000 mrem this risk is 100% unless there is heroic medical intervention, as by bone marrow transplants. After such an intense exposure, loss of hair, swelling, and vomiting are typical symptoms. If death does not occur within 30 days, the victim normally recovers fully.

    (source:
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    The thing I always look for in these stories is the radiation exposure in millirems
    Any idea what millirems we're risking from Fukushima?

    I entirely agree that the fear mongering over radiation is excessive, as you so well document. But I also agree with others that radiation can be sickening or deadly. "The dose makes the poison." (Paracelsus, 1500's).

    My wildly uninformed guess would be however that (1) many workers around Fukushima have received serious doses, (2) much sea life in the flows coming from there are starting to receive serious doses, and (3) if they lose control of Fukushima and she goes critical, then much of Japan, the northern Pacific and western parts of the Americas will be unsafe.
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    Any idea what millirems we're risking from Fukushima?
    I have no idea about the situation in Fukushima.

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    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    I entirely agree that the fear mongering over radiation is excessive, as you so well document. But I also agree with others that radiation can be sickening or deadly. "The dose makes the poison." (Paracelsus, 1500's).
    Quote Posted by buares (here)
    A dose of 500,000 mrem received over a short time period gives about a 50% risk of death, and with 1,000,000 mrem this risk is 100%
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    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    My wildly uninformed guess would be however that (1) many workers around Fukushima have received serious doses, (2) much sea life in the flows coming from there are starting to receive serious doses, and (3) if they lose control of Fukushima and she goes critical, then much of Japan, the northern Pacific and western parts of the Americas will be unsafe.
    I agree with TargeT, Kimberley and others saying that radiation issues are part of an energy related agenda of some kind.

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