Ayahuasca

[toad]

Ayahuasca was for me one of the many most beautiful experiences in my life, DMT is one hell of a drug.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by toad (here)
Ayahuasca was for me one of the many most beautiful experiences in my life, DMT is one hell of a drug.

Iboga, loved it

[dianna]

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[Sunny-side-up]

I wish I had experienced Ayahuasca.

I've had european magic Mushrooms, and at the time anyone i knew wouldn't take them unless I prepared them, had them with them and stayed with them the whole trip, so I was their chosen trusted guardian!

I wish I had experienced Ayahuasca.

Great post dianna thx

[TargeT]

Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
I wish I had experienced Ayahuasca.

I've had european magic Mushrooms, and at the time anyone i knew wouldn't take them unless I prepared them, had them with them and stayed with them the whole trip, so I was their chosen trusted guardian!

I wish I had experienced Ayahuasca.

Great post dianna thx

your still breathing, it's not too late

[Olam]

Thank you for this!
I particularly loved Chris Kilhams explanation of the pure love and compassion experience as that is what I went thru practically on every session I did.
This has been with me ever since and so I can send back this love now to anyone, a newborn baby to some obnoxious drunk guy on the bus ride, we all are pure love from the start and all have this in us.
cheers

[Shane]

Sacred plants!! excellent.

Much like the discussions elsewhere this is a "tool" available to help us "clean" ourselves spiritually. The "spirit" of the body we live on lends (her)self to all things that grow (naturally) on her. We can glimpse this spirit with the use of various plants/substances. The positive effects can be witnessed through people who have used them. A documentary called "Stepping Into The Fire" is a great example. The subject shares his experience of learning about ayahuasca and the transition (metamorphosis) he enjoyed with the aide of this plant.

Like any other "tool" it is JUST a "tool" and not an "instant fix" or guaranteed solution. Actually, the plant will merely show you a path (or multiple paths) you can take to heal. As with so many other things, it is up to you to take responsibility, and walk the path shown to you.

Responsibility is the key theme in discussions on any "tools" for personal/spiritual healing. To borrow a slogan from another substance "enjoy responsibly".

[earthadvocate]

Even though I am not against the experience my opinion is there is too much empathis on the drug: Ayahuasca and not enough on shamanism and the spiritual journey, soon it will be another tourist trap, the Qero Elders (shaman) of the Andees of Peru do not use Ayahuasca in their ceremonies.

[Olam]

Posted by earthadvocate (here)
Even though I am not against the experience my opinion is there is too much empathis on the drug: Ayahuasca and not enough on shamanism and the spiritual journey, soon it will be another tourist trap, the Qero Elders (shaman) of the Andees of Peru do not use Ayahuasca in their ceremonies.

I can tell you with experience that anyone whom would want to use this just as a trippy drug without acknowledging the spiritual aspects of it will be kindly but boldly reminded by the ayahuasca itself that all this is not to be taken lightly.
Its frankly impossible for anyone to continue using this recreationally once they have undergone the lessons brought about by the medecine itself.
One night, we drank with some young guys who did not understand what they were getting into, they just wanted to trip out. They drank the same stuff I did yet they suffered a terrible night...
Insects coming out of them, eating them, all night. Huge snake showing up, tearing their limbs apart, on and on for hours.
The shaman had his time stolen from them as he had to stay with them to help out.
The next morning, I swear they were not the same persons, they now painfully had aquired wisdom that I think is still flowering in them today.
A big lesson was learned and so it was not all in vain, but wow, what a way to learn!

[Sunny-side-up]

Posted by earthadvocate (here)
Even though I am not against the experience my opinion is there is too much empathis on the drug: Ayahuasca and not enough on shamanism and the spiritual journey, soon it will be another tourist trap, the Qero Elders (shaman) of the Andees of Peru do not use Ayahuasca in their ceremonies.

Yes earthadvocate I would want the shaman present of course, the guide, the master on the trip!

[dianna]

OK, lets not go off the railz here ... some drugs are a gift from god (gaia?) --- we are all free to use them as we choose (or should be), with or without responsibility, shamans (a note from our docktor) --- sometimes with thought (preferable) or without --- any experience that does not threaten your life (or anyone else's) should be embraced --- (with that being said, see you all on "intervention") lol

[Vitalux]

Thanks for the post Dianna

Speaking directly from my own experience using ayahuasca, it gave me a quantum leap in spiritual awareness.

It tends to peal back the skin from this dimension and allow one to experience a different perspective of "where here is"


In my case, I had no frightening experiences while on ayahuasca, however I did have some wonderful chats with spiritual entities.
Prior to having this experience, I was too numb, dumb, asleep, and caught up in the delusions of Earth to be able to stop long enough to pull my head out of my butt and really notice this Earth Illusion.

We truly are in an amusement park. Suck up that fear, and shovel in some junk food

[blufire]

Respectfully . . .

There are already many PA threads discussing ayahuasca in great detail and I would suggest that those threads be visited and read.

Like any other "tool" it is JUST a "tool" and not an "instant fix" or guaranteed solution. Actually, the plant will merely show you a path (or multiple paths) you can take to heal. As with so many other things, it is up to you to take responsibility, and walk the path shown to you.

Respectfully . . . .

Ayahuasca is sacrosanct and deeply spiritual to those who know and understand fully what this concoction is and who have protected the wisdom for generations.

It is not a ‘tool’ to be used by those who idly wish to have a shallow spiritual journey or healing

OK, lets not go off the railz here ... some drugs are a gift from god (gaia?) --- we are all free to use them as we choose (or should be), with or without responsibility, shamans (a note from our docktor) --- sometimes with thought (preferable) or without --- any experience that does not threaten your life (or anyone else's) should be embraced --- (with that being said, see you all on "intervention") lol

Respectfully . . . . .

diana, what are the ingredients in an ayahuasca concoction? When do you harvest each of those components? In what proportion and at what time do you add each component when brewing? How long do you brew each component before adding the next and how do you know the brewing is complete? Which plant delivers the dmt and which contain the dmt and most of all which plant binds and melds the constituents from each of the sacred plant? Do you know how to prepare yourself before ingesting an ayahausca concoction?

I don’t fully know the answer to these questions and I have spent extended time an a Mayan village studying rainforest medicinal plants and am a seasoned herbalist of many years.

A true shaman knows these very vital things among other knowledge that only a true shaman will carry with him to his grave.

One night, we drank with some young guys who did not understand what they were getting into, they just wanted to trip out. They drank the same stuff I did yet they suffered a terrible night...
Insects coming out of them, eating them, all night. Huge snake showing up, tearing their limbs apart, on and on for hours.
The shaman had his time stolen from them as he had to stay with them to help out.

Respectfully . . . . A true shaman would not have given ayahuasca to young men such as these. A true shaman would never disrespect sacred wisdom in such a manner.

[dianna]

Hi blufire,

Respectfully ... I don't care for lectures from people who do not know me (where I have traveled, what drugs I consort with, experiences I have embraced, people on this thread (and their input) that are interesting etc. etc.) ... respectfully ... you are being disrespectful with your pedagogy

[Shane]

Posted by blufire (here)

Like any other "tool" it is JUST a "tool" and not an "instant fix" or guaranteed solution. Actually, the plant will merely show you a path (or multiple paths) you can take to heal. As with so many other things, it is up to you to take responsibility, and walk the path shown to you.

Respectfully . . . .

Ayahuasca is sacrosanct and deeply spiritual to those who know and understand fully what this concoction is and who have protected the wisdom for generations.

It is not a ‘tool’ to be used by those who idly wish to have a shallow spiritual journey or healing

Respectfully.. Please read what I have typed. Without going as far with it as yourself, as to not discourage (or condescend to) anyone investigating, researching and considering, or setting the concoction up as something "above" anyone - we have made very similar statements. Perhaps my mistake would be assuming that whoever reads this post on this forum, is not looking for a "shallow spiritual journey or healing".

The shaman as well as the plant itself taught me what I have typed. "Tool" is the world I used, yes.. I did not state that it is a "‘tool’ to be used by those who idly wish to have a shallow spiritual journey or healing". Does the concoction itself heal you? Or do you have to take the experience and apply it? If you said no to the first but yes to the second, then "tool" is an appropriate word in that context. As I said.. The plant/concoction itself is not a "instant fix". I was warning against "idly" using the plant as a high or simple experience. As someone else pointed out. The shaman and the spirit of the plant protect against this.

I said.. as you quoted; "Like any other "tool" it is JUST a "tool" and not an "instant fix" or guaranteed solution. Actually, the plant will merely show you a path (or multiple paths) you can take to heal. As with so many other things, it is up to you to take responsibility, and walk the path shown to you."

Being experienced with this plant, I am quite comfortable with what I have said.

[blufire]

Being experienced with this plant, I am quite comfortable with what I have said

The fact that you use the word ‘plant’, as in, one singular ingredient tells me you have no idea what ayahuasca truly is.

Ayahuasca is a complex blend of several plants.

Read the other threads and you will understand what I mean.

respectfully ... you are being disrespectful with your pedagogy

I had to look up the word ‘pedagogy’. Yes I suppose you could say I am teaching because again I am a seasoned herbalist and have practiced professionally and personally for 30 years or more. I know to a very large extent of what I am speaking.

I can see how I would sound disrespectful, but it is difficult for me when I see topics such as this brought up when it is clear there is so little understanding of the scope of this sacred concoction. After spending extended time with the Mayan Indians I feel compelled to somehow protect what I was taught while with these incredible people.

Please read the other extensive threads on this topic.

This is all I will post on this thread.

[dianna]

wow ... once again ... quicksand ... lol

[Shane]

Posted by blufire (here)

Being experienced with this plant, I am quite comfortable with what I have said

The fact that you use the word ‘plant’, as in, one singular ingredient tells me you have no idea what ayahuasca truly is.

Ayahuasca is a complex blend of several

This is all I will post on this thread.

So we are splitting hairs on terms used. When it comes to plants, concoctions like this, I choose not to use plurals. "Plants" would have been accurate. Could have been a typo for all you know too . When I recall the experiences I have had, and the spirits I have met.. I am still very comfortable with what I have said.

In my experience, someone with experience, wouldn't be doing this.. But.. I suppose I should be reminded of that saying about assuming things. And.. It's disrespectful when dealing with other people who may have a different set of teachings or terminology, to assume.

I understand your sense of feeling protective. Truly I do and I admire that! You should still consider asking questions rather than making assumptions.

"Dracon do you believe this concoction to be just one plant as your wording indicates?"

"No blufire.. I can understand you thinking so based in what was typed.. But I call it a plant for a personal reason and yes I understand it is a concoction very well."

[earthadvocate]

Teen found dead after drinking ayahuasca in a retreat. The sad fact is the Shaman (Master Mancoluto) lied to the mother of the teen saying that her son wondered in the jungle when he actually buried the body of the teen,
http://www.peruthisweek.com/news-280...emony-in-Peru/
People need to know the risk, especially the young.

[nenosema]

Thank you for researching and bringing this concern to the thread earthadvocate, but i don't think that this is the place for it, or for this type of info only....... Maybe you could add balance with a report of something positive about aya?

This story is a terrible story and a tragedy, but you will notice there aren't many like it. Not because I think many get away with somethings like this but, i don't feel that it happens much at all tbqh.


Yeah we have to know the risks, but wouldn't you do your research first? The ones who getinto this usually study these playnts for years before they consume anything! are already respectful of them and have some idea of these powerful alleys or pathways.
There is a diet to follow a week or two before drinking the brew of ayahuasca. You can go less time but what the shaman and any good sitter wants is for you to clear your system, get out some of the toxins that you may consume on a regular daily basis that you might not even know you had in you.
The information is out there.


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Shamen are the ones who delve into this or these other worlds, as a calling, as far as i can see. They bring back experience and wisdom to share with others and share it with who might need a one time experience or whom may want to travel these paths on their own for a simmilar calling.
I still don't think I know or have the best understanding of what a shaman is. From all that I have read it is still based on opinion. Same as I would say a witch doctor or some of these other names to call what it is they do, or the type of person they are.

you can talk abut real shaman fake shaman ..explorers. Someone who stays true, i think that is what it is stemming from.


Ayawasca though, ayawasca is a teacher. as other plants are, as the wind is ,
more focused. as a gift placed here in the echo-system to connect with us, if only we'll accept its truth and goodness.


In a world that I imagine we do create plants from technology, oh wait, getting confused.... the truth is, I think these topics are started to get straights interested ((aka ones not of the understanding of how natural this is)), as they could never imagine obtaining such life changing experience as are found in these sacred plants! & loving teachers
these topics get clouded, it makes me sad


My first time taking aya was on thanksgiving, three maybe four years ago? I fasted, it was a light dose, which I recommend for someone starting out, it was an emotional experience, i was so excited. but it relaxed me gently.. expanding and freeing.
another time on strong smoked dose.. I remember coming back saying "You Can come down From THIS?!!!" over and over as i was in utter shock at how far the place it had taken ..me.. was. It's a Beautiful thing i must say. homey. i was an artist, before i even knew what psychedelic was, ooh! hehe

for anyone who might possibly have an hour to spend.. i recommend this talk.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fAwrf...F01522514F0614

even if you zone out, that's okay. this one was selected for the amount of information it has on one place.. although more about the mushroom... he does talk alot about aya too, but its been awhile, i would have to do a bit of searching..........
I Love chacruna, plus it is a pleasure to listen to this crazy dude


p.s.
Where are the stars beyond your Earth!!?