Does anyone have any details of an altered 'Napoleon timeline'?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by jiminii (here)

....that is all I was looking at.

[mod hat on]

But Jim, what you're doing here is you're processing your own stuff (trying to find answers to your own unfinished business and unanswered questions) in public. And the material you're processing is not that which many people here can empathize with or understand very easily.

I can just about understand it, but only just! Most forum members do NOT understand what you are trying to deal with in your own mind. Most reading this will dismiss you as crazy. And if they do, this is your own responsibility, because you are responsible for the effect your communications have on others.

Others use the opportunity of the forum to deal with personal issues, of course, but usually relative to much more 'everyday' material. There's a difference between talking to friends about everyday problems (or even 'normal' esoteric ones like psychic attacks and out-of-the-body experiences), and trying to resolve highly weird material by talking and thinking out loud all the time.

This is not a 'safe' place to do that. We should have a poll to see who can follow your post above. We won't actually do this! But if we did, my guess is that maybe only 10% of people would seriously follow you. Maybe less than 10%.

What you're doing -- thinking and writing pretty much just as things come to you, with little filtering or consideration abut how it's all perceived by others or causes effects on others -- is likely to lead to serious misunderstandings and all kinds of problems.

You know how it works! If you were working with a qualified and experienced counsellor, they'd not be judging or commenting, would be asking you good questions, would be running carefully evaluated processes, and listening totally non-judgmentally.

Here, you're breaking all the rules: others are likely to be judging and belittling you (and a few people certainly are), are themselves getting stirred up because of comments you carelessly make, and in their efforts to deal with this come to all the wrong conclusions.

Please do not use the forum for this.

[mod hat off]

[RunningDeer]

Posted by jiminii (here)
”....that is all I was looking at.

A Bill “mod hat on” quote: “But Jim, what you're doing here is you're processing your own stuff (trying to find answers to your own unfinished business and unanswered questions) in public.”

If the above rings true, I’d share some requirements in a day in the life of “a Paula head”:

Self evaluation is an on-going and critical process for discovery of how much I am. For that to happen, I must be grounded in present. Often, I get perks of more light uncovered. More answers revealed. But my goal is joy in each moment engaged in ordinary stuff.

Reflection, honest evaluation and honest owning of what I uncover is another aspect of “a Paula head”. This one is absolutely critical. If I abate, it gets all growly and pissy.

Creativity is important. Art expression, writing, Native American flute, Tai Chi, all are ways I hitch a ride to discovery. What’s revealed is... less is more. Otherwise, ego goes all puffy and squeezes the light flow body.

Those are some of the things I do. And because of it, I sustain and increase [at times] light to perfect the natural skills. Which is a fun hobby and skill that I’d like to bump-up, so I can relieve this “a Paula head” of illusionary, thought duties.

With Love to Jim,
Paula

[T Smith]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

The "alternative" scene has gone to a beyond ridiculous place...It's just one crazy story after the other, and they are always proven wrong time after time, over and over and over again...But people still believe it.

Hi Raf, I hear you my friend. Not that I disagree with what you're saying, but I think you are perhaps being a bit hard on the alternative community and this forum in particular. Yes, people tend to believe anything, you're right. You have the vast majority of Americas who believe Seal Team 6 captured and killed Bin Ladin in May 2011 and that 19 suicidal hijackers brought down the World Trade Center with box cutters. People do believe anything. But this isn't a phenomenon exclusive to the naivete of the alternative community. In many respects, the mainstream is much more gullible and ridiculous than even the most uncritical audience in the alternative community. What you're talking about is human nature.

The problem as I see it isn't the gullibility of people, but rather their lack of critical thinking skills. I don't think it's absurd at all to suggest an RFID chip was discovered in the skull of an exhumed Napoleon (we live in a very strange world)--this is no less absurd to me than to believe Seal Team 6 killed Bin Ladin just because CNN told us so. As far as I'm concerned CNN is no more credible than Weekly World News. One peddles propaganda, the other sensationalism. What is absurd, however, is to believe any claim on face value without verifying the claim or at least providing a compelling argument as to why such a claim might be true.

The RFID chip discovery is likely a hoax, but I wouldn't be at all surprised, either, had we discovered the contrary. I try not to invest in an opinion either way when contemplating seemingly outrageous claims (we should remember at one time the suggestion that the earth was round was considered absolutely absurd, illogical, and ridiculous). Rather I try to keep open and flex my critical thinking skills to the best of my ability without bias. I commented in the Napoleon thread that the claim could be verified (or in this case debunked), and if I were advancing any type of argument or theory based on the claim I would most certainly verify the claim before investing in its veracity.

Just my two cents. I tend to get equally frustrated with the Brawdo-slurping sheep as you do with those who continually entertain the seemingly absurd without discernment.

[araucaria]

Being open-minded means being able to entertain extraordinary thoughts. Like entertaining guests, you sit with them for a while, and have the choice of whether or not to invite them back. The subject of time travel is bound to wander into the terrain of possibly unwelcome guests because it involves paradoxes that may be insurmountable. Time travel is generally thought impossible because of these paradoxes, and yet, given the real nature of time, the idea is seen as somehow inevitable.

There is an interesting fictional exploration of time travel in a Henry James novel, The Sense of the Past, the last thing he was writing at the time of his death in 1916. It is rather heavy going and I’m not recommending it to anyone. It is the story of a young American historian who inherits property in London, and on seeing a portrait of his young ancestor, gets to talk to him and change places with him and experience his visit to London ninety years earlier, in around 1820. He is so into the period that he can get by quite nicely on the whole, and much of the subtlety of the tale lies in applying the mixture of historical knowledge and a modern mentality to the actual historical situation. Where things become complicated is when the girl he is engaged to marry turns out to be rather staid for his liking and he prefers the more modern younger sister before he even gets to see her. We see how the time travel itself causes considerable upheaval – or maybe it is just the clash of two cultures, the cousin from America being the element of plausible deniability. It turns out that he himself posed for the portrait. Another complication comes from the fact that in the mean time, the alter ego gets to visit 20th century London. James planned on rescuing his hero through his American fiancée coming out to get help from the Ambassador, who was notified in advance. Unfortunately James died before he solved this little problem.

[T Smith]

Posted by araucaria (here)
Being open-minded means being able to entertain extraordinary thoughts. Like entertaining guests, you sit with them for a while, and have the choice of whether or not to invite them back. The subject of time travel is bound to wander into the terrain of possibly unwelcome guests because it involves paradoxes that may be insurmountable. Time travel is generally thought impossible because of these paradoxes, and yet, given the real nature of time, the idea is seen as somehow inevitable.

There is an interesting fictional exploration of time travel in a Henry James novel, The Sense of the Past, the last thing he was writing at the time of his death in 1916. It is rather heavy going and I’m not recommending it to anyone. It is the story of a young American historian who inherits property in London, and on seeing a portrait of his young ancestor, gets to talk to him and change places with him and experience his visit to London ninety years earlier, in around 1820. He is so into the period that he can get by quite nicely on the whole, and much of the subtlety of the tale lies in applying the mixture of historical knowledge and a modern mentality to the actual historical situation. Where things become complicated is when the girl he is engaged to marry turns out to be rather staid for his liking and he prefers the more modern younger sister before he even gets to see her. We see how the time travel itself causes considerable upheaval – or maybe it is just the clash of two cultures, the cousin from America being the element of plausible deniability. It turns out that he himself posed for the portrait. Another complication comes from the fact that in the mean time, the alter ego gets to visit 20th century London. James planned on rescuing his hero through his American fiancée coming out to get help from the Ambassador, who was notified in advance. Unfortunately James died before he solved this little problem.

Actually, the notion of time travel isn't complicated at all if one has a grasp of quantum mechanics. The Napoleon thread is controversial, presumably, because of its outlandish leap of faith and seeming paradox of logic (which seems to be the issue some take issue with), but this is only if one is hung up on linear physics. This simply isn't the problem with the ideas put forth in the Napoleon thread. The problem is whether or not the claim is true and can be verified.

I have no problem at all with the ideas. But I have no idea whether the claim is true or not.

[araucaria]

Posted by T Smith (here)
Actually, the notion of time travel isn't complicated at all if one has a grasp of quantum mechanics. The Napoleon thread is controversial, presumably, because of its outlandish leap of faith and seeming paradox of logic (which seems to be the issue some take issue with), but this is only if one is hung up on linear physics. This simply isn't the problem with the ideas put forth in the Napoleon thread. The problem is whether or not the claim is true and can be verified.

I have no problem at all with the ideas. But I have no idea whether the claim is true or not.

This is a pretty huge claim, even for a quantum physicist. They usually say if you think you've understood quantum physics, then you're wrong. And even if you did, you would need to explain the repercussions of quantum effects on the macrocosm. This is a vast subject, and of course some of the aspects to it are covered on this forum. I really think you should start a thread of your own to share your insights. These quantum effects on the macrocosm would no doubt include, if not downright paradoxes, at least anomalies on the linear physical plane. They are the subject of this thread, at least on the odd occasion when it has one (sse the quotes below).

One such would be a chip in Napoleon's skull. That would be a physical anomaly of the type I am talking about because such technology is not supposed to have existed back then. Unfortunately, to disagree on this point also, that seems to have been debunked. To make that bird fly, you would need to provide some evidence. No one here seems very convinced about this story precisely because we have no evidence.

On the other hand, we have evidence of all kinds of other anomalies, such as the Antikythera mechanism, which shows how computing devices existed in ancient Greece. It comes down, as I suggested earlier, to rewriting the history books.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I do think that parallel (or bifurcating) timelines are likely to be in some sense a metaphysical reality -- and also one which the black projects guys tinker with and create all kinds of serious problems with highly advanced technology that they barely understand (viz Montauk, etc). There's quite a lot of compelling circumstantial evidence that some black projects are heavily engaged in messing with time itself.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Tangri (here)

IMHO time travel is realy messy work. Original place who send travellers out(past) never get them back, but travellers went back their new alternative future because their alteration creates a new dimention of alternate future. Originals never get their predetermined goals what they accomplished adding another posible reality. this helps parasitic souls enrich to chose their experience, training facilities.

I had to read this three times to understand it! But yes, there seems to be a danger that having left your future 'home' you can never go back there -- because the very act of returning to the past creates an alternative timeline which you are then committed to.

This may not just be theory. Dan Burisch talked extensively to Kerry and myself (both on and off record) about the 'P-52 Orions' -- "very wonderful people", he said, from 52,000 years in the future -- some of whom had made an 'ultimate sacrifice' of being stuck here, no longer able to return to their own time and home, BECAUSE they came back with the mission to change the timeline.

[T Smith]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by T Smith (here)
Actually, the notion of time travel isn't complicated at all if one has a grasp of quantum mechanics. The Napoleon thread is controversial, presumably, because of its outlandish leap of faith and seeming paradox of logic (which seems to be the issue some take issue with), but this is only if one is hung up on linear physics. This simply isn't the problem with the ideas put forth in the Napoleon thread. The problem is whether or not the claim is true and can be verified.

I have no problem at all with the ideas. But I have no idea whether the claim is true or not.

This is a pretty huge claim, even for a quantum physicist. They usually say if you think you've understood quantum physics, then you're wrong. And even if you did, you would need to explain the repercussions of quantum effects on the macrocosm. This is a vast subject, and of course some of the aspects to it are covered on this forum. I really think you should start a thread of your own to share your insights. These quantum effects on the macrocosm would no doubt include, if not downright paradoxes, at least anomalies on the linear physical plane. They are the subject of this thread, at least on the odd occasion when it has one (sse the quotes below).

One such would be a chip in Napoleon's skull. That would be a physical anomaly of the type I am talking about because such technology is not supposed to have existed back then. Unfortunately, to disagree on this point also, that seems to have been debunked. To make that bird fly, you would need to provide some evidence. No one here seems very convinced about this story precisely because we have no evidence.

On the other hand, we have evidence of all kinds of other anomalies, such as the Antikythera mechanism, which shows how computing devices existed in ancient Greece. It comes down, as I suggested earlier, to rewriting the history books.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I do think that parallel (or bifurcating) timelines are likely to be in some sense a metaphysical reality -- and also one which the black projects guys tinker with and create all kinds of serious problems with highly advanced technology that they barely understand (viz Montauk, etc). There's quite a lot of compelling circumstantial evidence that some black projects are heavily engaged in messing with time itself.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Tangri (here)

IMHO time travel is realy messy work. Original place who send travellers out(past) never get them back, but travellers went back their new alternative future because their alteration creates a new dimention of alternate future. Originals never get their predetermined goals what they accomplished adding another posible reality. this helps parasitic souls enrich to chose their experience, training facilities.

I had to read this three times to understand it! But yes, there seems to be a danger that having left your future 'home' you can never go back there -- because the very act of returning to the past creates an alternative timeline which you are then committed to.

This may not just be theory. Dan Burisch talked extensively to Kerry and myself (both on and off record) about the 'P-52 Orions' -- "very wonderful people", he said, from 52,000 years in the future -- some of whom had made an 'ultimate sacrifice' of being stuck here, no longer able to return to their own time and home, BECAUSE they came back with the mission to change the timeline.

I will grant this is all highly theoretical. We are dealing with issues of the macrocosm in terms of quanta, so if one is looking for evidence in the macro there really isn't any as far as I know. But the claim (which you say is huge) is based on scientific fact. In the 1930s the most famous and accomplished physicists of the time couldn't agree on the ramification of these "facts", so why should anyone expect all of us here to be on the same page Specifically, I'm referring to the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen argument, from which the famous expression "God doesn't play dice," originated. Basically Einstein couldn't reconcile the ramifications of the mathematics of quantum theory (much like many cannot reconcile the seeming paradoxes in time given the possibility of time travel) because they seemed to discount, among other things, time and local determinism (local determinism can be analogous, if you like, in the macrocosm to a historical timeline). Basically Einstein is saying, to run with the analogy, that event A, in time, must factor into a determination of event B. Thus the other famous paradox Einstein took issue with, i.e. "spooky action at a distance." Right? Ah, not really, or so it turned out in the world of quanta. But at the time of the EPR argument (1935ish) there wasn't physical "evidence" in the microcosm, just as there may not be physical evidence now in the macrocosm. But that doesn't mean the scientific facts do not exist. In 1984 Alan Aspect finally proved, via experimentation in the world of quanta, that Bell's Theorem's was correct. Essentially, Einstein was incorrect with his internal hang-up on so-called paradoxes. Grant it, this is highly counter-intuitive to the way we understand the world, but the facts are indisputable. You can review the experiment for yourself so I won't delve into the details here, but basically for those unfamiliar, Aspect proved that reality itself is nonlocal and it is not determined by space/time. To put it succinctly as possible, there are no paradoxes because space/time is irrelevant.

I will also grant that my understanding assumes the "as above, so below" philosophy, such that my understanding of the universe itself is essentially no different than my understanding of quanta and the universe at large thus behaves in the same way. This may be a huge claim, but so far no one I know of has ever advanced any convincing arguments to lead me to rethink my understanding.

[araucaria]

Posted by T Smith (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by T Smith (here)
Actually, the notion of time travel isn't complicated at all if one has a grasp of quantum mechanics. The Napoleon thread is controversial, presumably, because of its outlandish leap of faith and seeming paradox of logic (which seems to be the issue some take issue with), but this is only if one is hung up on linear physics. This simply isn't the problem with the ideas put forth in the Napoleon thread. The problem is whether or not the claim is true and can be verified.

I have no problem at all with the ideas. But I have no idea whether the claim is true or not.

This is a pretty huge claim, even for a quantum physicist. They usually say if you think you've understood quantum physics, then you're wrong. And even if you did, you would need to explain the repercussions of quantum effects on the macrocosm. This is a vast subject, and of course some of the aspects to it are covered on this forum. I really think you should start a thread of your own to share your insights. These quantum effects on the macrocosm would no doubt include, if not downright paradoxes, at least anomalies on the linear physical plane. They are the subject of this thread, at least on the odd occasion when it has one (sse the quotes below).

One such would be a chip in Napoleon's skull. That would be a physical anomaly of the type I am talking about because such technology is not supposed to have existed back then. Unfortunately, to disagree on this point also, that seems to have been debunked. To make that bird fly, you would need to provide some evidence. No one here seems very convinced about this story precisely because we have no evidence.

On the other hand, we have evidence of all kinds of other anomalies, such as the Antikythera mechanism, which shows how computing devices existed in ancient Greece. It comes down, as I suggested earlier, to rewriting the history books.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I do think that parallel (or bifurcating) timelines are likely to be in some sense a metaphysical reality -- and also one which the black projects guys tinker with and create all kinds of serious problems with highly advanced technology that they barely understand (viz Montauk, etc). There's quite a lot of compelling circumstantial evidence that some black projects are heavily engaged in messing with time itself.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Tangri (here)

IMHO time travel is realy messy work. Original place who send travellers out(past) never get them back, but travellers went back their new alternative future because their alteration creates a new dimention of alternate future. Originals never get their predetermined goals what they accomplished adding another posible reality. this helps parasitic souls enrich to chose their experience, training facilities.

I had to read this three times to understand it! But yes, there seems to be a danger that having left your future 'home' you can never go back there -- because the very act of returning to the past creates an alternative timeline which you are then committed to.

This may not just be theory. Dan Burisch talked extensively to Kerry and myself (both on and off record) about the 'P-52 Orions' -- "very wonderful people", he said, from 52,000 years in the future -- some of whom had made an 'ultimate sacrifice' of being stuck here, no longer able to return to their own time and home, BECAUSE they came back with the mission to change the timeline.

I will grant this is all highly theoretical. We are dealing with issues of the macrocosm in terms of quanta, so if one is looking for evidence in the macro there really isn't any as far as I know. But the claim (which you say is huge) is based on scientific fact. In the 1930s the most famous and accomplished physicists of the time couldn't agree on the ramification of these "facts", so why should anyone expect all of us here to be on the same page Specifically, I'm referring to the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen argument, from which the famous expression "God doesn't play dice," originated. Basically Einstein couldn't reconcile the ramifications of the mathematics of quantum theory (much like many cannot reconcile the seeming paradoxes in time given the possibility of time travel) because they seemed to discount, among other things, time and local determinism (local determinism can be analogous, if you like, in the macrocosm to a historical timeline). Basically Einstein is saying, to run with the analogy, that event A, in time, must factor into a determination of event B. Thus the other famous paradox Einstein took issue with, i.e. "spooky action at a distance." Right? Ah, not really, or so it turned out in the world of quanta. But at the time of the EPR argument (1935ish) there wasn't physical "evidence" in the microcosm, just as there may not be physical evidence now in the macrocosm. But that doesn't mean the scientific facts do not exist. In 1984 Alan Aspect finally proved, via experimentation in the world of quanta, that Bell's Theorem's was correct. Essentially, Einstein was incorrect with his internal hang-up on so-called paradoxes. Grant it, this is highly counter-intuitive to the way we understand the world, but the facts are indisputable. You can review the experiment for yourself so I won't delve into the details here, but basically for those unfamiliar, Aspect proved that reality itself is nonlocal and it is not determined by space/time. To put it succinctly as possible, there are no paradoxes because space/time is irrelevant.

I will also grant that my understanding assumes the "as above, so below" philosophy, such that my understanding of the universe itself is essentially no different than my understanding of quanta and the universe at large thus behaves in the same way. This may be a huge claim, but so far no one I know of has ever advanced any convincing arguments to lead me to rethink my understanding.

That is the very decent answer I was challenging you to supply, thank you

However, stating space-time to be irrelevant still doesn't make paradoxes irrelevant in our perceived space-time. My point was that the paradox or discrepancy is between physical evidence and the intellectual story in our history books. We have the physical evidence that Pearl Harbor was a false flag. What we are still waiting for from mainstream circles is a chapter revision that removes that discrepancy. The difficulty for historians lies in making sense of the evidence before them. Most of it will be pieces added to a given puzzle, but sometimes you find a paradigm changer, and it takes some time to realize you are working on a whole new puzzle. Assessing the Shoah ultimately requires a full body count. You count the dead and then decide on the gravity of the event. Except that the physical evidence is often for various reasons lacking. Holocaust revisionism takes advantage of that gray area.


What is the relevance of this to this thread? Well, you decide the outcome of the Battle of Waterloo by counting the dead on both sides, and by following subsequent events. If Napoleon was on St Helena at all, investigating Montauk or otherwise, then it was because he lost that battle. Which paragraph in his Wikipedia entry would we want to change, and what would be put in its place? So far, we can only say None. Here is an example of what I am talking about:

Posted by araucaria (here)
Regarding the parallel timeline where Germany won the last war, it is amazing how close this came to happening in this timeline. As it is, the launch of the Allied campaign in Europe on D-Day came perilously close to failure and owed a lot to Rommel’s absence. D-Day happened to be Mrs Rommel’s 50th birthday, and this micro-event is the main reason why he was back in Berlin, not the appointment he had arranged with Hitler to tell him where he was going wrong. Peter Tsouras’s Disaster at D-Day makes one or two minor adjustments to the historical record, one of which is to have Rommel cancel this trip home; these are enough to enable him to rewrite the whole campaign so as to bring about the opposite outcome.

[jiminii]

when I was 14 years old I had an out of body experience. I was about 12 feet above the ground and to the right of my horse. I was looking down at her head. Her head suddenly started to move towards me, (I am in spirit), and her head came up and eyes LOOKED DIRECTLY into Mine, (spirit eyes).
I came back into my body and ran every single picture all the way back to when I entered this body in a few seconds.

Now the thing is this. I went completely out of the physical universe to a void of complete nothing and back into every single picture that was there with this difference, THEY WERE NOT PICTURES.

I was LITERALLY GOING INTO THE EXACT TIME ITSELF. This means i was going into the sequence of the TIME CONTINUUM only RUNNING BACKWARDS,

Me the SPIRIT does NOT HAVE PICTURES. I don't have an automatic picture recording memory. So I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE TIME SPACE MASS ITSELF to see what it was.


A class 8 auditor had the same problem running me to a past life time. I had to put a NUDGE in my head to make the meter react so she could say, "THAT" and find myself again going completely OUT OF THIS PHYSICAL UNIVERSE and BACK INTO A TIME THAT WAS around 750 AD.

Free Zone people tell me this is a high spiritual level being able to go OUT OF THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE COMPLETELY and BACK INTO IT.


OK ,.. I hope you all can follow this logic.

I think this is because this time period I CAME BACK TO has been setup in me to be able to follow the continuous space time continuum of THIS TIME.

and when it gets interrupted I have these ODD things that happen like going out of the entire physical universe into a VOID and return to any time someone asked me to go look at.

In other words, when she said, "THAT". this body had some memory from the genetic side and wanted me to look at it.

since I have no pictures myself I have to literally go back to the time itself.

This is MY experience dealing with having my thoughts happen like the hurricane going up the east coast.

people will say I was not responsible enough to make it cause less damage.

You see the truth here is we are actually running in REAL TIME NEW CREATION a few hundred years from this time period.

this time period has ALREADY HAPPENED.

I am one of those who was sent back to try to raise the frequency of the planet.

my basic mission got altered by joining the Church of Scientology so I had to be sent up to that UFO where ever it came from and be reprogrammed with a different mission that would satisfy handling situations like some auditor and me on a meter trying to look at earlier pictures I don't have.

What I am trying to say is, I am a brand new creation with NO AUTOMATIC PICTURE RECORDING MEMORY. We are called Natural Clears and so we ARE A NEW CREATION.

We are an EXPERIMENTATION sent back to see if we can alter this period of history.

so I was in my room in Los Angeles. I suddenly got this impulse to turn on the TV. I see this hurricane going straight into Clearwater Florida.

My hand instantly went up and I said, "STOP" .... I did not even KNOW at that instant if I had stopped the hurricane, but I did.

I sat down and thought, "I never handled a hurricane before. I better write it down and mail it to LRH and make sure I do it right."

so I wrote to LRH. "Ron do you know there is a hurricane going straight into Clearwater .... well ... I will tell you what I will do with it ... I'll drive it up into Georgia where it's mostly trees there and run it across the panhandle and then run it up the East coast .. and do a little impingement on Washington DC. .... oh and no one will get killed."

LRH wrote me back and said, "it is very much appreciated that you had concern for the Flag Land Base", (top scientology org on the planet). you see he KNOWS what I can do.

OK now Please look at this logic.

We are all actually in a future time ... not this time .... but some of us were sent back to alter this time. so apparently I have some ability to alter this time with my thoughts and this kind of things happen.

It is only after the hurricane went up the coast that I realized my thoughts REALLY DID EXACTLY WHAT I TOLD LRH I WOULD DO.

at the time I didn't KNOW if my thoughts COULD DO IT. but it happened. so I can say I take a win but also can say I didn't calculate for the greatest good.

Now in the future everyone on this planet is in another body with some kind of mind control INSIDE THEIR HEAD like these parasites the reptilians have used to alter the cabals minds.

if this is true ... then everyone in the future is ALREADY IN TROUBLE.

So I am New and I have to somehow get my references using this bodies perceptions and this lifetime to do it in.


I didn't know how important I was in this whole scene anyway but now I KNOW ,, I have to get to ecuador NO MATTER WHAT

and get those auditors down there to open up the rest of the information I am suppose to bring.

Since MOST of the people on this planet can't believe anything I say about this kind of stuff. I HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING BY MYSELF.

this means to get the money to buy a ticket to get there. Because you can see on this forum I have a lot of problems just getting the people here to understand this situation.

and this physical universe on a prison planet is rigged to make us lose.

I hope you can understand my situation now.

as for me???? it has been said that if someone was sent from the future to this time and created another timeline that we would be stuck here.

I already KNOW that I am not stuck in TIME. I have seen it again and again. I have had a 16 pound sledge hammer go through my head and somehow the spirit put the head back together.

if I die I am not stuck in this time. I can go anywhere because I will go back to the static where we will create a new mission.

the only people who get stuck in time are those that have this automatic picture recording memory that KEEPS HIM STUCK..

but this is the FIRST TIME IN ALL CREATION we have been able to design a NEW spirit being that is NOT walking around with a mind that can be implanted by some enemy anymore.

it is an experiment. Now there are 4 waves of us coming here, and I already KNOW WE HAVE WON OUR CONQUEST OF THIS PHYSICAL UNIVERSE.

We will all be free soon ... this is true.

jim

[jiminii]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)

....that is all I was looking at.

[mod hat on]

But Jim, what you're doing here is you're processing your own stuff .

Please do not use the forum for this.

[mod hat off]

I know I jumped in too quick and not realizing I might lose half or more of the audience

jim

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Posted by jiminii (here)
on another post someone said Napoleon timeline is changed and now he won the war. this would mean the rothchilds would not have gotten rich ... any details on this ... anyone know more ... It resonates with me

jim

yes i got it , he became a womens fashion designer instead

Since then

America accepted the metric system
Clothes are now made in the south of france instead of china
WW1 and 2 didnt happen but instead it became mandatory to go to design school for 2 years to get a drivers licence
Chatelle Napoleon is now called Napo Lite Beer ...

wow

N

[transiten]

Posted by Bobd (here)
Bonjour, je suis français eh, maintenant, Ce n'est pas vrai?

Oui ? Non?

He he, my mother had a bust of Napoleon in her bedroom that i got fairly well payed for. I still have a corner bookshelf with the top in the shape of Napoleons hat. Gonna sell that one also. My relatives on her side came from Ajaccio and one of my relatives was involved in the liberation movement from France. Never visited Corse mais j'irais aussi tôt que possible, have to cure my lyme first.

By the way, references to scientology and Ron Hubbard raise my red flags. I think Bill said his teachings have been kidnapped and distorted? but i prefer Rumi every time:

Only Breath: www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8hrF2CGTWY

[T Smith]

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Actually, the notion of time travel isn't complicated at all if one has a grasp of quantum mechanics. The Napoleon thread is controversial, presumably, because of its outlandish leap of faith and seeming paradox of logic (which seems to be the issue some take issue with), but this is only if one is hung up on linear physics. This simply isn't the problem with the ideas put forth in the Napoleon thread. The problem is whether or not the claim is true and can be verified.

I have no problem at all with the ideas. But I have no idea whether the claim is true or not.

This is a pretty huge claim, even for a quantum physicist. They usually say if you think you've understood quantum physics, then you're wrong. And even if you did, you would need to explain the repercussions of quantum effects on the macrocosm. This is a vast subject, and of course some of the aspects to it are covered on this forum. I really think you should start a thread of your own to share your insights. These quantum effects on the macrocosm would no doubt include, if not downright paradoxes, at least anomalies on the linear physical plane. They are the subject of this thread, at least on the odd occasion when it has one (sse the quotes below).

One such would be a chip in Napoleon's skull. That would be a physical anomaly of the type I am talking about because such technology is not supposed to have existed back then. Unfortunately, to disagree on this point also, that seems to have been debunked. To make that bird fly, you would need to provide some evidence. No one here seems very convinced about this story precisely because we have no evidence.

On the other hand, we have evidence of all kinds of other anomalies, such as the Antikythera mechanism, which shows how computing devices existed in ancient Greece. It comes down, as I suggested earlier, to rewriting the history books.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I do think that parallel (or bifurcating) timelines are likely to be in some sense a metaphysical reality -- and also one which the black projects guys tinker with and create all kinds of serious problems with highly advanced technology that they barely understand (viz Montauk, etc). There's quite a lot of compelling circumstantial evidence that some black projects are heavily engaged in messing with time itself.

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IMHO time travel is realy messy work. Original place who send travellers out(past) never get them back, but travellers went back their new alternative future because their alteration creates a new dimention of alternate future. Originals never get their predetermined goals what they accomplished adding another posible reality. this helps parasitic souls enrich to chose their experience, training facilities.

I had to read this three times to understand it! But yes, there seems to be a danger that having left your future 'home' you can never go back there -- because the very act of returning to the past creates an alternative timeline which you are then committed to.

This may not just be theory. Dan Burisch talked extensively to Kerry and myself (both on and off record) about the 'P-52 Orions' -- "very wonderful people", he said, from 52,000 years in the future -- some of whom had made an 'ultimate sacrifice' of being stuck here, no longer able to return to their own time and home, BECAUSE they came back with the mission to change the timeline.

I will grant this is all highly theoretical. We are dealing with issues of the macrocosm in terms of quanta, so if one is looking for evidence in the macro there really isn't any as far as I know. But the claim (which you say is huge) is based on scientific fact. In the 1930s the most famous and accomplished physicists of the time couldn't agree on the ramification of these "facts", so why should anyone expect all of us here to be on the same page Specifically, I'm referring to the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen argument, from which the famous expression "God doesn't play dice," originated. Basically Einstein couldn't reconcile the ramifications of the mathematics of quantum theory (much like many cannot reconcile the seeming paradoxes in time given the possibility of time travel) because they seemed to discount, among other things, time and local determinism (local determinism can be analogous, if you like, in the macrocosm to a historical timeline). Basically Einstein is saying, to run with the analogy, that event A, in time, must factor into a determination of event B. Thus the other famous paradox Einstein took issue with, i.e. "spooky action at a distance." Right? Ah, not really, or so it turned out in the world of quanta. But at the time of the EPR argument (1935ish) there wasn't physical "evidence" in the microcosm, just as there may not be physical evidence now in the macrocosm. But that doesn't mean the scientific facts do not exist. In 1984 Alan Aspect finally proved, via experimentation in the world of quanta, that Bell's Theorem's was correct. Essentially, Einstein was incorrect with his internal hang-up on so-called paradoxes. Grant it, this is highly counter-intuitive to the way we understand the world, but the facts are indisputable. You can review the experiment for yourself so I won't delve into the details here, but basically for those unfamiliar, Aspect proved that reality itself is nonlocal and it is not determined by space/time. To put it succinctly as possible, there are no paradoxes because space/time is irrelevant.

I will also grant that my understanding assumes the "as above, so below" philosophy, such that my understanding of the universe itself is essentially no different than my understanding of quanta and the universe at large thus behaves in the same way. This may be a huge claim, but so far no one I know of has ever advanced any convincing arguments to lead me to rethink my understanding.

That is the very decent answer I was challenging you to supply, thank you

However, stating space-time to be irrelevant still doesn't make paradoxes irrelevant in our perceived space-time. My point was that the paradox or discrepancy is between physical evidence and the intellectual story in our history books. We have the physical evidence that Pearl Harbor was a false flag. What we are still waiting for from mainstream circles is a chapter revision that removes that discrepancy. The difficulty for historians lies in making sense of the evidence before them. Most of it will be pieces added to a given puzzle, but sometimes you find a paradigm changer, and it takes some time to realize you are working on a whole new puzzle. Assessing the Shoah ultimately requires a full body count. You count the dead and then decide on the gravity of the event. Except that the physical evidence is often for various reasons lacking. Holocaust revisionism takes advantage of that gray area.


What is the relevance of this to this thread? Well, you decide the outcome of the Battle of Waterloo by counting the dead on both sides, and by following subsequent events. If Napoleon was on St Helena at all, investigating Montauk or otherwise, then it was because he lost that battle. Which paragraph in his Wikipedia entry would we want to change, and what would be put in its place? So far, we can only say None. Here is an example of what I am talking about:

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Regarding the parallel timeline where Germany won the last war, it is amazing how close this came to happening in this timeline. As it is, the launch of the Allied campaign in Europe on D-Day came perilously close to failure and owed a lot to Rommel’s absence. D-Day happened to be Mrs Rommel’s 50th birthday, and this micro-event is the main reason why he was back in Berlin, not the appointment he had arranged with Hitler to tell him where he was going wrong. Peter Tsouras’s Disaster at D-Day makes one or two minor adjustments to the historical record, one of which is to have Rommel cancel this trip home; these are enough to enable him to rewrite the whole campaign so as to bring about the opposite outcome.

When I began studying quantum mechanics a few years ago, I became aware of a device that in theory could transmit radio waves from the future. Given a black ops budget great enough to accelerate a set of atoms at some fraction of C (such as CERN), coupled with a few other variables, one could in theory decode an elementary binary transmission in the future from its entangled counterpart in the present. In the simplest terms, one can envision this as a sort of atomic radio that can tune into the future.

Hmmm… what could one do with such a device? For sake of discussion, the most base and pragmatic application might be to tune a mere five minutes into the future to procure the winning lottery numbers.

The thing is (as I’m sure DARPA and all the other black-ops agencies are fully aware) when I worked through all the theoretical ramifications of this conception (the mathematics still elude me somewhat and are above my pay grade ) I discovered that we could indeed tune into the future to procure the lottery numbers without issue, but we couldn’t necessarily tune into the exact future that becomes the present, even when we looked as close as five minutes or so ahead. As far as I understand it, this is the crux of the problem with time travel that the breakaway civilization and TPB are dealing with. For example, the winning lottery numbers from the future turn out to be just as random as any set of lottery numbers drawn in the present, and if we are looking into the future to specifically win the lottery, the probability of tuning into the exact future that will eventually materialize is no greater than going with a quick pick in the present! In other words, a sneak-peak at the future is equivalent to finding a needle in a haystack. It is like pulling out one straw from an infinite pile of straws and hoping you have the one straw that will eventually become the present. Yes, all the straws look somewhat alike but each one is unique, like a snowflake, and still a little different. Even the mere act of measuring the future alters the present. Essentially, this is the mathematics underlying quantum mechanics.

Grant it, we are talking about lottery numbers, and just as no two snowflakes are identical, in the macrocosm one might have trouble discerning the difference between two snowballs. If we were to tune five minutes into the future (which is why remote viewing is still somewhat beneficial to TPB) the reality we would see might look more or less like the reality that will eventually unfold. If a tree were about to fall across your driveway in five minutes, chances are the tree still falls across your driveway. If it is rainy and windy, chances are it will still be rainy and windy. However—and this is the key--the probe will discern a future with slightly less resolution than the present materializes, in an inverse relationship to the distance the probe moves into the future. We can observe the mathematics underlying this dynamic in chaos theory and by the Lorez attractor.

To render this down to very simple terms, the further we move away from the present, either going forward or backward in time, the more likely reality looks nothing—and I mean nothing--like the linear history of which we’re familiar. Provided one could even travel back in time and even locate a historical figure named Napoleon (this is a huge leap of faith for me, if you will recall our needle in the haystack analogy), one is simply traveling into an entirely different reality. It’s not connected, in the quantum sense, with the present. This is why I have a hard time with paradoxes, because the paradox assumes history and time are related, and understandably so, because that’s how our consciousness experiences the world. But quantum mechanics—along with various other sages, such as the Seth Material (if one is more receptive to that sort of thing)—tells us that the past and future are all illusionary—or at best a mere ramification of the present—and that the only thing that really exists is the present.

But let’s just assume, for sake of argument, that we can time travel along the very timeline our history books have recorded (i.e. this is possible by some means). Even if we could presumably “alter” the very past our history books have recorded, as far as I understand it, we would be merely manifesting another timeline altogether. It would be like traveling down a road for one hundred miles or so, noting the landscape, the terrain, etc., making a log of these physical characteristics as topographers and calling our record “history”, and then by some means we obtain the technology to transport back along the exact road one hundred miles back and decide to take a fork in the road instead (this would be analogous to chipping Napoleon). My question is, how would that change the actual topography, e.g. the terrain and the landscape along the road we’ve already traveled? All that does is materialize to our senses another route in the landscape, with different terrain and different landscape. In short, it adds data to our awareness but it doesn't change the topography. Yes, the new route is entirely different, but the route we’ve already taken exists and continues to exist.

At the end of the day, I truly do not believe time travel affects our own manifestation of reality, except perhaps in other problematic ways that don’t necessarily deal with paradoxes…

[Bob]

owww my brain hurts, but I LOVE IT - TargeT - that pretty much is brilliant, but may I add, what IF, the whole omniverse is a quantum cube, and every outcome already exists, and all we do is just jump around different frozen threads believing we are moving in time.

[Bob]

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owww my brain hurts, but I LOVE IT - TargeT - that pretty much is brilliant, but may I add, what IF, the whole omniverse is a quantum cube, and every outcome already exists, and all we do is just jump around different frozen threads believing we are moving in time.

I am adding a pix to describe a bread crumb that addresses what you mentioned here:

However—and this is the key--the probe will discern a future with slightly less resolution than the present materializes, in an inverse relationship to the distance the probe moves into the future. We can observe the mathematics underlying this dynamic in chaos theory and by the Lorez attractor.

You can see the time cones mentioned as "everyone" expects "reality" to be. The being is at the red 0 point in the experience (call experience reality moment).

The technique is called "flattening" backward time perspective and forward time perspective (advanced and retarded wavefronts) are dealt with. You will notice there is a horizontal group of waves with a blue color towards the future and a red color towards the back. The two time cones (1F. 1B) are changed in perspective, as shown, moved upwards outwards (2F, 2B), in essence flattening the dimensional structure according to the geometry. When that is done, one is in quantum allness space and there is no movement nor time progression forward or backward, all outcomes are simultaneously accessible to the "0".

[jiminii]

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owww my brain hurts, but I LOVE IT - TargeT - that pretty much is brilliant, but may I add, what IF, the whole omniverse is a quantum cube, and every outcome already exists, and all we do is just jump around different frozen threads believing we are moving in time.

I am adding a pix to describe a bread crumb that addresses what you mentioned here:

However—and this is the key--the probe will discern a future with slightly less resolution than the present materializes, in an inverse relationship to the distance the probe moves into the future. We can observe the mathematics underlying this dynamic in chaos theory and by the Lorez attractor.

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You can see the time cones mentioned as "everyone" expects "reality" to be. The being is at the red 0 point in the experience (call experience reality moment).

The technique is called "flattening" backward time perspective and forward time perspective (advanced and retarded wavefronts) are dealt with. You will notice there is a horizontal group of waves with a blue color towards the future and a red color towards the back. The two time cones are changed in perspective, as shown, moved upwards outwards, in essence flattening the dimensional structure according to the geometry. When that is done, one is in quantum allness space and there is no movement nor time progression forward or backward, all outcomes are simultaneously accessible to the "0".

this whole process leaves one very important function out. THAT IS the power of a spirit.

If you COULD predict a future lottery event you then add in your thought process which hits up against the REVERSE VECTOR SYSTEM we are in and you added the one NEW CREATION that would possible alter that future.

I played at gambling in Las Vegas and I once went into a casino and just decide the entire casino and me were ONE. I put out the thought, "what is the weakness of this casino?"

and I got, "They are afraid of this rare jewel of a being who sometimes comes into las vegas and wipes them out."

So I assume this beingness of a being who always wins when he comes to Las Vegas

and my space and anchor points suddenly shot out and I owned the casino.

I went to the rolette table and was first trying to predict the next 2 to 1 shot sections and was winning one after another ... then I decided to PUT THE BALL IN THE SECTION I WANTED and I was just winning again and again and again until the girls came up and wanted to go see the show they had there.

I stopped playing got all my money that paid all my losses and paid the entire trip and still had left over.

but when I came back to the casino the next day I could NOT get the control again.

So you see if YOU can get that OT level that can JUST PUT A FUTURE IN EXACTLY you could win everywhere you go. and I know of some OT's that can do this with gambling but they choose NOT TO DO IT because it is NOT ETHICAL and it could COME BACK ON THEM IN THE FUTURE.

just because the casino steals everyone's money doesn't give us the right to steal from them. Ethically it will come back on you.

But if you managed to remove all of those agreed upon agreements you made to the ethics we created along with this universe.

YOU COULD IN TRUTH RUN IT ALL EXACTLY THEY WAY YOU WANT AND NOTHING WILL COME BACK ON YOU.

but that is a BIG amount of considerations YOU WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE FROM YOUR PAST AGREEMENTS

jim

[T Smith]

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Posted by Bobd (here)
owww my brain hurts, but I LOVE IT - TargeT - that pretty much is brilliant, but may I add, what IF, the whole omniverse is a quantum cube, and every outcome already exists, and all we do is just jump around different frozen threads believing we are moving in time.

I am adding a pix to describe a bread crumb that addresses what you mentioned here:

However—and this is the key--the probe will discern a future with slightly less resolution than the present materializes, in an inverse relationship to the distance the probe moves into the future. We can observe the mathematics underlying this dynamic in chaos theory and by the Lorez attractor.

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You can see the time cones mentioned as "everyone" expects "reality" to be. The being is at the red 0 point in the experience (call experience reality moment).

The technique is called "flattening" backward time perspective and forward time perspective (advanced and retarded wavefronts) are dealt with. You will notice there is a horizontal group of waves with a blue color towards the future and a red color towards the back. The two time cones are changed in perspective, as shown, moved upwards outwards, in essence flattening the dimensional structure according to the geometry. When that is done, one is in quantum allness space and there is no movement nor time progression forward or backward, all outcomes are simultaneously accessible to the "0".

this whole process leaves one very important function out. THAT IS the power of a spirit.

Not really, jiminii. Spirit is what collapses the wave function; it is the wave function itself. Physicists call it consciousness, but spirit works for me.

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