Some evidences of Human disappearance and mutilations

[c0rv0]

Dear Avalonians,
The Extra-dimensional Materialized Entities feed on our vital energy: they are vampire.
This energy is liberated when we are subjected to stress and a painful death is the greatest of all.
The above sentences require some evidences and here I'm going to present some material from the book in support.

To get some context in the argoument please give a look to the thread
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ht--4-October-
Where I have introduced some information about the nature of the EME and our relationship with them.

To begin with I wish to bring to your attention the work of David Paulides. David has discovered that a quantity of people disappear from wilderness in NA and around the world following "impossible" patterns. Some of them are never found others are dead.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Smk-MCn5pEY

Butch Witkowski works focuses on Human Mutilations. While David is carefully avoiding any theory, Butch links directly the phenomenon with UFOs.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tobFjgwtInU

The numbers of those cases are disturbing to say the least.
From Apocalisse Aliena, translation mine:

According to data from Witokiski only in the United States every year 200,000 people disappear . Many reappear within 72 hours. But of these 30,000 evaporate into the air without a trace . Even for sensational cases of multiple disappearances were never found a convincing explanation . An entire village , an Eskimo settlement in the remote northern Canada, lost its entire population about August , 1930. It was the Northwest Mounted Police that found the abandoned village : its inhabitants had left the food, clothing, kayaks, guns and dogs. Since an Inuit is not inclined to travel very far without his precious rifle or his dog , the police was shocked . There were no tracks, no witnesses so that the whole story was hushed up .

In another historical case, we have direct evidence of the disappearance of about eight hundred British soldiers. It happened near Sulva Bay , Turkey, in 1915, during a failed attempt to land of the Allies to take over the Dardanellii . The Norfolk Regiment , which was fighting against the Turks, marched into a strange cloud of brownish color , which was placed on the ground in their path. After a few moments the cloud rose and flew away. None of them reappeared on the other side .
The story comes to us from three witnesses who were fighting for a unit of New Zealand. Since there were believed on signed affidavits swearing that they had witnessed the event from a distance of less than one hundred meters. The official version of the story is that the regiment was wiped out during the attack. No body has never been found .

In the course of the history mankind created different form of religions, what most of them have in common is the need to "sacrifice to the gods". Nowaday sacrifices are considered to be a relict of the past and this would be a very good reason for "them" to be angry and willing to "reset" the game. In the meanwhile they are forced to practice "self service".

It is important, for our discussion, to keep in mind that a quantity of people is physically missing or found dead.
With all of this in mind it is easier to understand why the human group of control on the EME issue cannot disclose the truth: in their opinion they are an existential threat to the fabric of our modern society.

[c0rv0]

The smoking gun that links directly the EME with the Human disappearance and mutilations is the case of the Jonathan P. Lovette.

Report gave clear indication of reports of human mutilations, most notably was a case witnessed by Air Force personnel in which an Air Force Sgt E-6 by the name of Jonathan P. Lovette was observed being taken captive aboard what appeared to be a UFO at the White Sands Missile Test Range in New Mexico. This abduction took place in March of 1956 at about 0300 local and was witnessed by Major William Cunningham of the United States Air Force Missile Command near Holloman Air Force Base. Major Cunningham and Sgt Lovette were out in a field downrange from the launch sites looking for debris from a missile test when Sgt Lovette went over the ridge of a small sand dune and was out of sight for a time. Major Cunningham heard Sgt Lovette scream in what was described as terror or agony. The Major, thinking Lovette had been bitten by a snake or something ran over the crest of the dune and saw Sgt Lovette being dragged into what appeared to him and was described as being a silvery disk like object which hovered in the air approximately 15 to 20 feet.
[...]

The search for Sgt Lovette continues for three days at the end of which his nude body was found approximately ten miles downrange. The body had been mutilated; the tongue had been removed from the lower portion of the jaw. An incision had been made just under the tip of the chin and extended all the way back to the esophagus and larynx. He had been emasculated and his eyes had been removed. Also, his anus had been removed and there were comments in the report on the apparent surgical skill of the removal of these items including the genitalia.

source UFOs Exopolitics and the New World Disorder (Ed Komarek)

Interesting enough this was two years after the Greada treaty and in the same location, the Holloman Air Force Base, where the treaty was stipulated.

Some visual evidences
I'm posting here some graphic images that are already in the public domain to illustrate the point. Please be advised that this is not a vision for children





the following picture comes from a Brazilian case that shows the same mutilations as described by Ed Komarek:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...maps/mute3.jpg

The same pattern can be found in animals:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...maps/mam04.jpg

Why?
George P. Hansen notices how the practice of human sacrifice is directly connected to magical power

Makarius elaborated on the theme in her article “The Magic of Transgression” (1974) and noted that murder and incest are sometimes committed deliberately in order to obtain supernatural benefits. A number of trickster stories involve incest, and cannibalism and human sacrifice have been widely practiced in order to gain magical power. All are extreme violations of taboo—extreme disruptions of moral structure. Occultists such as Aleister Crowley assert that sexual perversion in ritual magic increases its power, and material presented in this book supports that ominous conclusion.

source The Trickster and the Paranormal

More precisely Crowley stated in his book "Magik" that killing a child and ate its heart should not be regarded as an act than an end in itself rather fundamental steps to acquire magical power. This suggest that those practices are not only limited to the EMEs.

As I introduced here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ht--4-October-

... different strategies can be adopted to collect this vital energy. E.g. the controversial case "Amicizia" (see http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vi..._contact45.htm)
introduces the concept of "Uredda", a supposed energy coming from devotion that the EME where using as fuel for their vehicle and to power their weapons.

While the "devotion strategy" appears to be more acceptable we should keep in mind that the underlining concept is the same.

[Mike]

it's a fascinating topic...human mutilations? I don't believe it's been touched on yet on Avalon till now.

not too long ago I finished reading 'The Hunt For The Skinwalker', which deals in large part with cattle mutilations (and dogs) ...and as disturbed as I was, I found solace in the fact that, no matter how gruesome things got on that ranch, no humans were ever reported to have been physically harmed. the author dedicates a section of the book to this...this seemingly ironic "morality" of these otherdimensional beings, if I can call it that.

I haven't watched these videos yet (I will) but I wonder if some of the commonalities involving cattle mutilations apply to human mutilations as well. for example, events tend to occur on or near native American areas; in most cases there are military installations nearby; and most of the areas are sparsely populated. also, cryptozoological creatures have a tendency of showing up as well in these areas...ones that can read minds and are resistant to bullets.

cool thread. look forward to watching these vids.

[Peace of Mind]

Maybe these are stage mutilations, is there any real evidence suggesting they aren’t?

Did anyone ever consider that these could be planted by secret government agencies/members in hopes of stirring up more alien controversy/propaganda? I suspect something like this will do absolutely nothing for any of us. However, it sure can train some people’s mind while aiding in the plans of deploying a false alien invasion. Just something to consider...removing all doubt is how I like to do things.

Peace

[Kristin]

I find the idea of genetic harvesting as well as energy harvesting to be interesting. There is evidence to suggest that the victims are at least sometimes alive during the mutilations. This is evidenced by observing the brain on a forensic level and seeing the physical indications which are quite visible that happen when a live person is severely traumatized. I'm also seeing that the areas of the bodies effected are very sensitive areas of the body... torture? Perhaps a live victim would have a greater energy download. From the POV of the ET, this could be a fast energy snack and nothing more. Like a stop for a candy bar. Sick I know, but we need to look at this for what it may be.

From the Heart,
Kris

Ps, if anyone finds the images too offensive, please report the post and we will provide links. This is important information which is not meant to offend.

Here is one of about seven of a series from England which discusses many attempts to debunk this phenomenon.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UYFoMTg9vDw

[Kristin]

Corvo,

I went ahead and changed the very powerful and important images in your OP to links.
Thank you for your understanding.
From the Heart,
Kristin

[c0rv0]

Maybe these are stage mutilations, is there any real evidence suggesting they aren’t?

Yes, it is plenty of evidence that result evident by examining in detail the cases. A part the above authors reading about cattle mutilation is foundamental.

Veterinarians knew they could not remove a 9-inch by 11-inch heart from a cow without making an excision in the chest and cutting through the pericardium surrounding the heart. But, the facts were that in some necropsies on mutilated animals where there was no chest excision, all heart tissue and blood had been removed from inside the pericardium membrane, which was still intact without cuts or tears. Impossible for the most modern human medical technologies.

The Cover-Up Exposed, 1973-1991 , UFOs and the National Security State- Richard Dolan

As noticed above Human and animal mutilation are very similar, the FBI has performed an investigation and some details are availables (cfr http://vault.fbi.gov/Animal%20Mutilation )

Did anyone ever consider that these could be planted by secret government agencies/members in hopes of stirring up more alien controversy/propaganda?

I understand your concern that was also mine. But while we have a clear motivation -energy vampirism- and demonstrated stealth capabilities at the edge of impossibility, the same cannot be easily said for the human group of control.
The secret government is very often blamed for a large range of issues.
And we should notice that the first instigators versus the government are the EMEs themselves.

On the other side ...

...human authorities determined the “others” were manipulating global geopolitics for their own non-human agendas, a possibility that any responsible government would need to investigate.

The Cover-Up Exposed, 1973-1991 , UFOs and the National Security State- Richard Dolan

Now, if this is the case, is clear that the human authorities would start a propaganda campaign to convince us that they are the enemy.

[Peace of Mind]

Posted by c0rv0 (here)

Maybe these are stage mutilations, is there any real evidence suggesting they aren’t?

Yes, it is plenty of evidence that result evident by examining in detail the cases. A part the above authors reading about cattle mutilation is foundamental.

Veterinarians knew they could not remove a 9-inch by 11-inch heart from a cow without making an excision in the chest and cutting through the pericardium surrounding the heart. But, the facts were that in some necropsies on mutilated animals where there was no chest excision, all heart tissue and blood had been removed from inside the pericardium membrane, which was still intact without cuts or tears. Impossible for the most modern human medical technologies.

The Cover-Up Exposed, 1973-1991 , UFOs and the National Security State- Richard Dolan

As noticed above Human and animal mutilation are very similar, the FBI has performed an investigation and some details are availables (cfr http://vault.fbi.gov/Animal%20Mutilation )

Did anyone ever consider that these could be planted by secret government agencies/members in hopes of stirring up more alien controversy/propaganda?

I understand your concern that was also mine. But while we have a clear motivation -energy vampirism- and demonstrated stealth capabilities at the edge of impossibility, the same cannot be easily said for the human group of control.
The secret government is very often blamed for a large range of issues.
And we should notice that the first instigators versus the government are the EMEs themselves.

On the other side ...

...human authorities determined the “others” were manipulating global geopolitics for their own non-human agendas, a possibility that any responsible government would need to investigate.

The Cover-Up Exposed, 1973-1991 , UFOs and the National Security State- Richard Dolan

Now, if this is the case, is clear that the human authorities would start a propaganda campaign to convince us that they are the enemy.

Thanks, but I’m looking for something with more substance. What exactly? I don’t really know. But I suspect any testimony (from strangers) will have some kind of physical evidence to go along with their disclosure. Perhaps there are some footage of autopsies and/or alien artifacts/materials left in the area, and clear credible/verifiable documentation/credentials from people giving these autopsies will also be good. These are just some of the easy things that can be done to ease skepticism. Trust is probably the biggest issue any whistle blower will face in disclosing such things. IMO, it should be done creatively, respectfully, and done in a way that will make it easier to not only be consumed…but digested. This will save a lot of headaches, time and energy for everyone…including the discloser.

Peace

[Kristin]

Here's a short video on the subject. More of a teaser really but a place to start.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=p2YgXTrEIQQ

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Tenzin]

Thanks a lot c0rv0, very interesting thread.

You mentioned the harvesting of 'vital energy' as a reason for such mutilations. Would you share more information pertaining to that, perhaps in another thread? Your information connects many dots. A large part of the universe, if not entire, seems to be looking for that and every religion on Earth has at least some basis from it.

Exactly which part they are collecting and looking into can possibly provide the link to understanding how it works through the physical form.

[c0rv0]

thanks for the question Tenzin.
This is a very central question that I'm somehow reluctant to discuss in the short form allowed by a forum.
The reason is that touches very controversial arguments subjected to strong believes.
Nevertheless I may give an overview of this complex matter.
the first thing to keep in mind is that the separation between spirit and matter is arbitrary.
the best representation of this concept is the Kabbalistic Tree of Life:

in the Hermetic Cabala (that is distinct from Hebraic Kabbala) this Tree is a Map od the states in between the emanation of the Source (Kether) and the Realization (Malkuth).

Now back to the subject matter the literature reports that is linked with the "soul".
the one of the entities....

Wherever they come from,” she said, they “don’t live physically per se that way.” Their souls can manifest in different forms. “That’s why we get different pictures” of the beings she said. “Some people call it reds, grays, browns, you know, with wrinkles, without wrinkles, whatever—it’s a combination of their biochemical energetic makeup and our perceptive devices . . .

Abduction: Human Encounters with Aliens - Mack

...ours own being prisoner in the "body"...

There are risks for Mark’s soul, Joe noted, in “being human, going into this body . . . He’s making a big commitment.” I asked him to explain. “It’s kind of like putting on a wet suit and scuba gear, and it’s putting on a denser existence and you can get trapped in it. It can get stuck on you . . . you begin to believe what your body tells you and you forget how to energetically disconnect from it . . . that you’re vaster than it.”

Abduction: Human Encounters with Aliens - Mack

... the fact that this this elusive thing can be even given to other as a currency...

The djinn who serve a king must give him tribute once a century. What this tribute consists of is unclear, but according to some legends, it involves some type of energy, and in some Arabic stories, a human soul.

The Vengeful Djinn: Unveiling the Hidden Agenda of Genies - Philip J. Imbrogno

... some hints regarding the existence of a technology that can manage this soul and how it works....

I think I understand now that the soul is apparently locked into the body by an energy field, the aura, that forms once the body is breathing. They can’t take the soul out without killing the body, and it isn’t locked into a body until breath is drawn.

Masquerade of Angels Karla Turner and Ted Rice

even the menace that the reality is so horrible that is better for us to don't know about it.

One of Howe’s sources once asked an elderly member of MJ-12 about souls and why the Ebens “made” humanity. The reply he received was “you don’t want to know that.”

The Cover-Up Exposed, 1973-1991 (UFOs and the National Security State) - Richard Dolan

Evie Lorgen has provided one of the most lucid modern definitions:

This alien genetic factor includes modification of consciousness, a.k.a. vibrational aspects of soul/consciousness matrix as well. The soul matrix is a vibration, like electricity, in that it can be observed as tones of frequencies. The question of genetic alteration is not purely physical, as we understand. It includes vibrational factors as well.

The Dark Side of Cupid: Love Affairs, the Supernatural, and Energy Vampirism - Eve Lorgen

those are only few of the quotes I have in the book.
It become clear that the main stream concept of "soul", heavenly influenced by western reductionists like Plato and St. Agustin, is insufficient.
One civilization that invested a huge quantity of time in the definition of the concept and that was successfully using it was the ancient Egyptian one.
They had NINE different concepts that are all translated as "soul" in English.

they may be distinguished in 3 groups:
- the one regarding consciousness (middle pillar)
- the one regarding containers (left pillar)
- the one regarding energy (right pillar)

in the next diagram they are associated to the Sephiroth of the Tree of life:


in this table (in Italian, sorry) they are linked also to other traditions (like the Vedas):


Now, the part that interest the EME is "Kha" (primarily) and "Sekkem" (in alternative) aka Kundalini and "prana".
The Egyptians were adamant explaining that the Kha is a magic energy that only few develop with magical exercise. This is inline with what the Italian researcher Corrado Malanga discovered: the EME looks for the special part of mankind that have a "soul".
As we see this is partially true: the EME looks for the ones that possess a developed "magical energy".

I fully understand that this information is controversial and would requires more support: this is the reason I wrote a 600 pages book, that unfortunately is not yet available in English.

[CD7]

The Extra-dimensional Materialized Entities feed on our vital energy: they are vampire.
This energy is liberated when we are subjected to stress and a painful death is the greatest of all.
The above sentences require some evidences and here I'm going to present some material from the book in support.

Could be an off kilter question...but whats new with me!!

I find this part interesting ( whats in bold in quote)....stress and other "negative" vibrations/frequencies seem to be a destructive force in our reality, in other words it is not good for our health and well being.


It also seems to be a negative effect when we do this do our resource for food. We create these terrible situations (slaughter houses) for the animals we eat...it has been recognized recently that this effects the quality of the food in a bad way.

An animals ill health/stress brought on from being kept in dark small cages negatively effects them and produces less quality food. This is why they make free range kept animals for better quality food. Not even mentioning all the chemicals, dna modification thats having terrible repercussions on our health also.

So would I assume that the stressed caused on us that creates the energy for them (eme) to 'feed' does not follow the same model of eating as described above in our realm?...

In other words, our STRESS and dna modification/chemicals within us does not have any bearing on alien health..lol seems to be a funny question, but it comes to mind in a serious way.

Perhaps its not even known, since there's still questions about it being a need or just a desire/leisure for the aliens to consume our energy?

[Bob]

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)

(snipped)

Thanks, but I’m looking for something with more substance. What exactly? I don’t really know.

But I suspect any testimony (from strangers) will have some kind of physical evidence to go along with their disclosure. Perhaps there are some footage of autopsies and/or alien artifacts/materials left in the area, and clear credible/verifiable documentation/credentials from people giving these autopsies will also be good. These are just some of the easy things that can be done to ease skepticism. Trust is probably the biggest issue any whistle blower will face in disclosing such things. IMO, it should be done creatively, respectfully, and done in a way that will make it easier to not only be consumed…but digested. This will save a lot of headaches, time and energy for everyone…including the discloser.

Peace

I could provide some information on an encounter I had in 1978-1979 time window with two other individuals - with some pictures of the area, maps to the area, and I did have an interview with Linda Howe on this back then. (San Luis Valley, Colorado) - cattle.., easily could have been our group - 3 cows 3 hikers.. If the Forum is interested, else I will just listen to what the thread is doing.

[c0rv0]

So would I assume that the stressed caused on us that creates the energy for them (eme) to 'feed' does not follow the same model of eating as described above in our realm?...

Stress is the release mechanism, not the energy itself.
To explain this I will use the words of a natural health practitioner regarding the Bach remedy "Rescue" :
"Every time we are stressed is a kind of little death. Our soul start the process of leaving the body, this slow down the healing process. Rescue works by "recalling" the soul back".

Perhaps its not even known, since there's still questions about it being a need or just a desire/leisure for the aliens to consume our energy?

As i said, we have supporters for both theories.

[Ammit]

bobd. I would like to hear more. If you wish to disclose of course.

[mojo]

I could provide some information on an encounter I had in 1978-1979 time window with two other individuals - with some pictures of the area, maps to the area, and I did have an interview with Linda Howe on this back then. (San Luis Valley, Colorado) - cattle.., easily could have been our group - 3 cows 3 hikers.. If the Forum is interested, else I will just listen

I would be interested in hearing it... perhaps in a seperate thread since I'm not the OP of this one...thanks

[c0rv0]

I'm also interested.
If this experience regards human mutilation you are very welcome to share it in this thread.

[Bob]

Posted by c0rv0 (here)
I'm also interested.
If this experience regards human mutilation you are very welcome to share it in this thread.

hi C0rv0 - hard to tell if it would have involved human mutilation. All three of us absolutely KNEW it was a message to us, had we stayed in the canyon we were, that we WOULD have been next.

I think there was a type of "Extra-dimensional Materialized Entities" that would "feed on our vital energy".

I am very technical and scientific oriented, with I hope a good amount of spiritual balance. And the vibe was not "black helicopter", it was a vampiric type of sensation present.

I could not tell if there was a physical person or personages involved in the mutilation, but the three of us knew we would have been next if we did not leave. (We were scheduled to spend a week hiking in the mountains there, and we cut it short after 3 days).

3 hikers, 3 cows mutilated and 3 days in the area. Where we were at at that time, in the late 70's I believe that area generally did have a lot of, "cult" (maybe not the right word) activity, cabal activity.. If they were calling up Extra-dimensional Materialized Entities, I wouldn't put it past them.

That's the background, if not appropriate we can open another thread.. appreciate the dialog - tnx

[c0rv0]

seems an interesting story, animal and human mutilation are very related phenomena, so please go on!

[Bob]

Posted by c0rv0 (here)
seems an interesting story, animal and human mutilation are very related phenomena, so please go on!

Thank you - I tend to be overly wordy, as I try to describe things visually using words.

In 1978, me and 2 other friends decided to do some map dowsing to find if Cortez's treasure existed still, and was hidden in a cave in the mountains south and east of Crestone Colorado. Each of us was into dowsing, so we took out the map, and located an area of a lot of psychic charge. I subsequently got a map from the US Geological Survey since Google Earth wasn't available at the time, and looked at their satellite picture, and all three of us confirmed, that area held a very strong psychic charge. Not believing it was anything else than hidden treasure, we setoff to find out. This was in 1978.

Getting there was easy, just jeeped in, then parked. I have included some pictures. I used google earth, the coordinates are in the bottom right. We parked and then hiked, everything seemed OK until about the mouth of the canyon, then I saw what looked like a LIGHT rocket (a transparent type of rod shaped object, maybe 100 feet long) spring upwards toward the sky. No sound. No bird sounds, no animal sounds. We decided to get OFF the canyon floor where there was water, an odd anomaly, cause we needed water, but something seemed off..

That evening we saw over the mountains to the south, where the "rod" shot, a type of very large thin smoke ring cloud. That night there was a god-awful scream that headed down the mountain side on our tent which was on a ledge. Everyone had a sensation of this 3 fingered claw like thing, literally reaching out of space (i would call it a rip), was the visualization, and we just really freaked out inside.. On getting up the following morning we continued walking up the canyon. We came across a spot where it looked like an elk was buried, with a hoof sticking out out of the ground. Again, freaked us out a bit, since we had had the strange screech the nite before (at dusk).

Instead of just continuing up the canyon for our quest, to find the hidden caves, we 3 decided to well, you know, the omen is something is up, we need to leave.

Took us a day to get out, and by evening, to our left before getting to the jeep, there were 3 cows mutilated, each cow slightly different mutilation - side of face gone, tongue gone, butt cored out.. One eye was gone. Each cow had a different body part removed. ALL of us turned white in fear. At that point this vibe appeared, this would have been you if you stayed another day. I still am getting chills recalling this now.

A week later, while I was welding in my back yard near Denver, about the same time at night as the screech sound, all got very still.. I lifted up the welding hood, and looking out into the darkness infront of me, I heard clearly this screech, the same one (freaking myself out again in chills)... and I sensed in the 3rd eye this 3 pronged claw, coming out of the "rip". I put down the welding equipment and walked inside. And stayed there until my courage could reappear. To me what it seemed like was the "Extra-dimensional Materialized Entity" followed me, maybe tagged me.

A year later (1979) the three of us went back to try one more time (kinda pig-headed obstinate wanting to find what was the psychic attraction from map dowsing). At this time, the location had a fence up a locked gate and a LOT of signs saying STAY OUT - even though the land on the other side was state land, not private.. I was kinda annoyed being blocked, so I decided to wander around the fence line to find if there fence was all the way up to the mountain or we could go around it. I found a very old path, and followed it till we reached a clearing.

On reaching the clearing I went out to see if the fence was open there, and I stopped in my tracks. There were two piles of cow carcasses.. I can say my heart was really in a friz, not to mention the adrenaline.. What it seems is we stumbled upon what appeared to be a place where sacrifices were made, and the bodies just tossed here, after the key parts taken out. As to sucking up energy from us, absolutely it was scary and draining, and we never did go up the canyon as intended.

That nite we stopped in cottonwood canyon a bit north, camped there, and that night supposedly one member of the group experienced and OBE and reported an abduction experience. For me, nothing at all happened that night, nothing at all happened. Those words, exactly as you see stuck with me, like a subliminal program happened. Was there an abduction and a subconscious program - I just don't know. I reported all of this in detail to Linda Howe - she had nothing to offer me on what to do about any of this.

We never went back nor tried to get in the canyon to try to find out what was psychically charged. I don't think it was Cortez's gold at this point.

Here are the maps:

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This shows the area, where we parked, where we walked and where things were found.. The coordinates for this are bottom right in the google earth pix.

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The 3 cows were where the white is circled in the current sat pix. In the red circle. The bones could still be there bleaching, this is a pretty high res satellite image.

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this is what the smoke ring looked like, it was over the mountains to the south, towards Mt. Blanca