Exceptional psychic abilities in exceptional people

[Flash]

Carmody wrote: Since this thing has now been accepted as a norm, this means the FIRST group of beings that evolved naturally (as a percentage of societal and birth norms) (we will take is a given, for the moment) to be free of emotionalism blocking up their thought formation and preventing intellectual development..is ..wait for it... the sociopath.

Another thought is that it is the final stage of the avatar, the actual adult stage. the one where the self protect emotions are put to rest.

Which, right now, less than 1-2% of us will ever get to, as this final adult stage is not recognized as even existing, by those of blocked mind. Getting past it means a rage and storm of mind/intellect growth that only those who make it past..will ever understand.

To return to the subject at hand, the intellectual growth allows for a greater connectivity to the neural pathways, or energetic pathways that connect to the universe and dimensional realities that represent what we call 'psychic skills'.

The first thing that the fledgeling wizard learns, while in the act of the initial stages, is that they must burn them selves down at any and all personal costs, outside of all mentally and bodily conceivable limits...to emerge new.

Flash wrote: I must say that my first reaction was kind of emotional, therefore not allowing the truth, a blocked mind. Then I reread and reread.

Intellectual development and burning of all bridges makes one emerge new with psychic power. Clear enough.

It seems to me that you are talking about the left path Carmody. Although the right path may be quite similar in its shape, mostly concerning emotions blocking intellectual/psychic development, what would be the similarities and differences? Yes, my terminology is conditional purposefully, because the differences may be about nil at certain development levels. But at the end, what are the differences? Are we to become all sociopaths, if we develop correctly? (goes against the psychopath monkeys that died and left out a society finally functioning for the welfare of all).

Two somewhat contradicting thoughts came to me:

1. Is that possible that, socially speaking, the fast development of the Cabal's brain and therefore psychic abilities are balancing the slow developing of the rest of the society, as a race, altogether?

Although on a Bell curve this ought to happen, on the intelligence levels, 2% at the end or the avatar's development, as well as on the emotional intelligence scale, 2% at the end of the curve being supremely emotionally intelligent.

2. I often think that the right hand path is somewhat slightly slower in development, requiring in fact more overall abilities.

As wih a child of higher intelligence that is actually showing a 2 years delay in brain development at around 10 years old (brain neuronal pathways connectivities - proven scientifically) which is greatly compensated later on by higher intelligence/brain organisation.

Could it be the same for the right hand path of psychic and spiritual development?

Therefore, the Cabal would have an advantage earlier on, by developing faster, being on the left hand path, advantage lost when the right hand path beings end up developing as well.

Therefore the huge efforts of the Cabal to ensure the stopping of the right hand path peoples development, because they would lose their prior advantages and exploitation potential.

3. If number 2 is the case, we do have a formidable enemy to our development, through which only the strongest of the strong can go through (they have taken the advance and intent to keep it at all costs).

In this case, wouldn't that enemy in fact be unnatural?
Stopping the natural development of the avatar towards full spirituality and psychic powers, on the right hand path (as for the monkey who lost their pschopaths through sickeness and ended up with a much more enjoyable society)?

Some would say that the pain inflicted by the developed Cabal will make all of us grow up through stress, but I think that developing in joy may be as effective, although not possible as long as we have well developed arriving at their target first, sociopatic cabal. the assumption that pain leads to development might be true for left hand path, but wrong for right hand path.

It comes back to what are the differences and similarities between the two paths, left and right, of development.

[Shane]

I have been assisting people with "exceptional abilities" for at least ten years now.

In that time I have not witnessed one of them post about it in a forum or online. These people are often worried about becoming exposed and for good reason. They require protection, sad but true. Few can allow their abilities to become commonly known without suffering repercussions for this.

These abilities exist and are documented in several ways. Your YouTube Channel will disappear in a hurry if you post genuine evidence of such abilities. I can say that from observing and experiencing this. (Even one former Avalon member tried to upload and post a video if herself doing something quite exceptional, and to this day cannot secure a YouTube account. ) the abilities and technologies of those who seek to control and suppress these abilities, should not be underestimated.

If we can't "believe" or accept the experiences of others on these topics and require further evidence.. We should experiment ourselves. Employ the scientific methods ourselves . If we're waiting for an official source, we will be waiting much longer still.

Excellent and enlightening thread here. Thanks Avalon.

[Billy]

Posted by billyji (here)

Posted by billyji (here)
These are some people i have met many times personally. People with outstanding gifts.

Alex Orbito. A shaman/Christian Whom i met in Holland on three occasions. He put his hands inside my body leaving no marks. He physically opened my chakra's laid a crystal inside each chakra then closed all. Then a blinding light exploded in my third eye, Ecstatic, I had to be carried out. His personal story is amazing.

http://www.pyramidofasia.org/ and here.
http://www.pyramid4light.org/about/rev-alex-orbito/


Quote from Alex.
Dear Brothers and Sisters,

As humanity is entering into a new cycle, it’s important to welcome the new energies that vibrate with the heart. The Pyramid for Light has been spiritually guided from the beginning as a catalyst in this process on both an individual and collective level. Through our spiritual unity, we can all support the Earth´s transformation towards more love, light and healing for all living beings.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sister Briege Mckenna. A Catholic Nun, Whom i first met in Bosnia then again here in Scotland. Crippled with rheumatoid arthritis and in a wheelchair, She was miraculously and instantaneously healed at the age of 24. With this healing she received different spiritual abilities. Being able to see and have direct communication with Jesus, Miraculous healing towards others, Being able to see inside a person and recount all their actions in life. Whether positive or negative. (Much to the embarrassment of many Priests) She healed a child who had suffered from 90% burns on a rubbish dump in Brasil. His skin healed in a few seconds in front of peoples eyes.

I had more than one personal experience with her while in Bosnia.

http://www.catholicireland.net/the-healing-name/

Then i have other personal spiritual experiences that did not involve humans, that i find difficult to put into words.

peace

http://www.pyramidofasia.org/studies.html

Scientific Studies on efficiency treatment
Alex Orbito

During the period 2002 - 2005, Jan van Hemert, M.D., Ph.D, compiled extensive studies on the healing work of Alex Orbito. He also added foreign studies done in Canada and Germany to this research in measuring the effectiveness of the treatments done by Alex Orbito.

He scientifically documented more than 124 medical cases of people who had been treated by Alex Orbito and wrote his findings and conclusions in his Scientific Report

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The only reason i chose Alex Orbito and Sister Briege as an example for this thread is because if anyone wished to research into scientific data for more conformation, The data exists.

And it is only my personal perception as an observer that those two examples are Exceptional people with exceptional gifts.

But When you speak to those people they would both say that they are NOT exceptional and that EVERYONE has this capability within them. Or put another way. WE are ALL exceptional.

If one can afford to travel to the Philippines, Alex teaches others how to use this ability.

As Briege explained to me here. Using your imagination.

I Add. Making an effort and Using your consciousness with focused intention can manifest what we term as miracles. But to me they are not miracles but a normal manipulation of nature and matter. You can change the outcome.

Posted by billyji (here)

Posted by TigaHawk (here)
Are those abilities purely psychic in nature or does the phenomenon also extend to empathic abilities?

I would say both. When you have a great understanding towards others. Being able to put yourself in others shoes and be gifted by psychic abilities your love for others assists you.

I will add that when i was with Sister Briege up a mountain at 1am in the morning i asked her how she was able to do what she done. After a pause and to my surprise she replied. Imagination is the secret Billy. Use your imagination wisely. I have done ever since that moment.

Peace

I am a nobody. Just a normal guy. But when i listened to all the advice given to me and put it into practice. Things happened. I gave this example.

Posted by billyji (here)
i shared this experience a while back.

Posted by billyji (here)

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3 days before the festival i decided to fast and meditate for the next 3 days. Wed to Fri. For sunshine. It was August, the festival started Sat morning. On Friday as we were erecting marque's, stalls etc in the pouring rain. With comments like, This is going to be a wash out. Will we cancel.

Sat morning arrived. It was 2hrs before opening the festival. Still raining. I went outside looking up at the grey sky and said . Ok it is time for the sun to shine.

As we opened the gates at 10am to allow people to enter. A hole appeared in the sky above us allowing A chink of sunshine. This hole grew and we were bathed in sunshine only over our village. ALL around us about a mile outside our zone in every direction it was raining. The clouds were moving but our hole in the sky stayed with us for the 3days. People were commenting that they had traveled from all over the UK and it was raining everywhere. Apart for our tiny village. On the Monday when everyone was leaving the hole closed and the rain continued.

Can i prove it. Well i did have witnesses, but was it a coincidence.

peace

I was bored with the internet this last couple of days. I asked my daughters partner if he had any DVD's i could watch. He gave me the. "What the bleep do we know" Video. I have seen it before but I watched it again last night and thought of this thread. This is a slightly shorter version than the one i watched.

Take some time out and enjoy.

We are all exceptional. Our potential is unlimited.

I love you all.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=usMsTPg-hHk

[Chester]

Posted by Paula (here)
Why do I share personal phenomena?

Often I stop and ask myself why am I posting what I cannot prove to anyone? What’s my intention? Is it for notoriety or perceived specialness? Or for the times, I’ve experienced during intense sad events, do I share for pity?

My head echoes with, “Wrong reason to share.” My heart echoes back, “No it’s not.”

I’ve lost count of how many post I’ve deleted because I question my intention. In that moment, it feels like an opportunity to say, “Hey, we all do this stuff!” Then, I feel vulnerable and delete.

More and more I feel it’s important for everyone to know these are ordinary tools that we’ve only forgotten. It’s time to awaken to them. And those of us that have bits and pieces, now it’s the time to come forward. It helps to trigger recall in others.

Each has the freedom of choice to accept or reject what’s true for themselves. I’d say keep an open mind. It doesn’t matter if I’m believed or not. I'll continue to live the way we are meant to live. Mine are small in comparison to the greats. But they continue to reveal because I know them to be real. I know it IS the way we are. It's time to rev up the engines.

Hearts,
Paula

Thank you for your post, Paula, because the reasons you mentioned have been part of the reasons I have posted my own psi experiences (which concerned me too).

Strangely over the last two years I have been able to recover from quite a screwed up stated (and this process is likely ongoing and perhaps well beyond this lifetime).

The place I am at now has changed and so i will state why I share about my psi experiences now.

I used to "believe" I was a special agent of "god." I drew this conclusion primarily because of all the psi phenomena I had experienced and that in many cases I played a direct role in the generation of these phenomena. Because I was raised in a culture dominated by "salvationist theology" (Judaism, Christianity, Islam), I had no other way to interpret my experiences (though I had that deep, inner doubt).

Fortunately, I recognized I was not alone in this role (which increased my doubt) so I also maintained a suspicion deep down inside that this was all total BS and thus avoided telling others "who I was."

The primary psi experience I have had over the years is that I was able to recognize massive, all but impossible odds, profound synchronicities and then I developed the talent/ability to generate the fertile ground from which these synchronicities would arise where others would be quite awed when I would point them out (careful never to raise the suspicion I played a role in this).

Most specifically because of this forum, I was able to discover alternative explanations as to why I had these experiences and why, at times, these experiences would become quite dark and destructive. One positive, physically manifested result was that I completely stopped all intake of all drugs and alcohol and began a healthy diet and took massive body cleansing actions which I 100% maintain today.

Part of my excuse for my prior usage of the particular drug, marijuana, was that it seemed to me these psi abilities increased dramatically when I accompanied my life with high quality marijuana. But what I actually discovered (and have experienced more than a dozen times in my life) is that I eventually begin to experience "voices" and other tricky phenomena which eventually lead me to some terribly self destructive actions. The last time was true, bona fide suicide attempts.

In January I will have two years perfectly clean. Though the psi phenomena completely stopped when I stopped using marijuana (Jan 2012), over time this psi ability has returned and no less profoundly than when I supplemented my life with drugs/alcohol - in fact, I can honestly say even more profoundly.

Because I have a relatively stable mind now, I am able to have these experiences where I avoid what I must call "nutty, knee jerk" interpretations of these experiences. Because of all the research I have been able to do all because of threads I came upon in this forum, I have been able to see how I was erroneous to make the initial conclusions mentioned at the beginning of this post.

About the now -

I share about my psi experiences with others who demonstrate varying degrees of open mindedness for many reasons but the main reason is my hope that others who might be in the grips of what I perceive are self destructive "constructs" where the framework for their construct is their interpretation of some religious tradition which may be based on unchallenged lies and plays a significant role in how they interpret these experiences allows for the possibility they may be making misinterpretations. It is my guess that this very process (creating false beliefs and drawing erroneous conclusions) is what is foundational to and the primary fuel behind fanaticism, especially religious fanaticism.

When we consider that third parties might possess technologies which could influence unsuspecting individuals and groups of individuals along these lines, we can see the possibilities which I will refrain from characterizing but can give an example - all apocalyptic scenarios.

It is my opinion that when others begin to open positively to their psi abilities, they then begin to have psi phenomena experiences or if they have had them, these experiences begin to increase. When someone who has had a life like mine and discovered how misinterpretation of these experiences can be destructive to others as well as can be self destructive and they then make themselves available to others who are vulnerable to making similar mistakes, perhaps that is now what motivates me to share my psi experiences as well as "what they mean" to me which turns out to have no "meaning" at all beyond the simple, metaphorical tap on the shoulder that reminds me I am part of an eternal experience where likely all is connected and where likely we all share responsibility in varying degrees as to the experiences of others.

[Sebastion]

What you have said billyji is absolutely right regarding the use of imagination and focused intent as those in tandem within you can work miracles. If you truly desire to experience something, those are "must have" tools that one uses.

I had occasion to watch one of Ramtha's seminars on film once. During the presentation, Ramtha was talking about ascension. Ramtha told the audience that they couldn't ascend and the reason why. Ramtha said "because you don't have the neurons for it". It took me a number of years to figure out what he was talking about.

[Carmody]

Posted by minkton (here)
carmody do you truly believe the number is as high as 1 or 2 %? Where did you get that figure from?

I was trying to be polite, I did not want to have people thinking the number was so low, when it is that low. As in...notably lower. One in five to ten thousand people, depending on the demographics of the geographical area. If one looks at the 'full ride' as it were, and takes it all the way, the number (as percentage of the general population) is disturbingly low. I've gone through this as a calculation by conferring the basics of the logic with a friend and what I described, to his logic and observation, was that the number was indeed that low. The realization of the situation in the self, is key to increasing that percentage.

Posted by Flash (here)

Carmody wrote: Since this thing has now been accepted as a norm, this means the FIRST group of beings that evolved naturally (as a percentage of societal and birth norms) (we will take is a given, for the moment) to be free of emotionalism blocking up their thought formation and preventing intellectual development..is ..wait for it... the sociopath.

Another thought is that it is the final stage of the avatar, the actual adult stage. the one where the self protect emotions are put to rest.

Which, right now, less than 1-2% of us will ever get to, as this final adult stage is not recognized as even existing, by those of blocked mind. Getting past it means a rage and storm of mind/intellect growth that only those who make it past..will ever understand.

To return to the subject at hand, the intellectual growth allows for a greater connectivity to the neural pathways, or energetic pathways that connect to the universe and dimensional realities that represent what we call 'psychic skills'.

The first thing that the fledgeling wizard learns, while in the act of the initial stages, is that they must burn them selves down at any and all personal costs, outside of all mentally and bodily conceivable limits...to emerge new.

I must say that my first reaction was kind of emotional, therefore not allowing the truth, a blocked mind. Then I reread and reread.

Intellectual development and burning of all bridges makes one emerge new with psychic power. Clear enough.

It seems to me that you are talking about the left path Carmody. Although the right path may be quite similar in its shape, mostly concerning emotions blocking intellectual/psychic development, what would be the similarities and differences? Yes, my terminology is conditional purposefully, because the differences may be about nil at certain development levels. But at the end, what are the differences? Are we to become all sociopaths, if we develop correctly? (goes against the psychopath monkeys that died and left out a society finally functioning for the welfare of all).

The 'burning of all bridges' is not specifically the only path, but it is a time honored one. The burning is a bad choice of words, and I was aware of that when I wrote it. What is really key in what I was saying, is - realization. Realization by dropping the barriers that block clarity. In most cases this involves dropping a notably high percentage of the autonomous portions of our avatar integration.

The time honored method, or path, is to come to full realization of the bumps and issues in that 'building' of the autonomous self, that we may have created as a child. If we clear the foundation of all the off-kilter filters and interpreters, then our connectivity and clarity of that connectivity is simply greater.

Intellectual reach is no longer as colored (and shifted/blocked) by emotionalism as it may have been in the past. We then can embark on building a self and projection of self that is more free from those influences. when that happens more intellectual doorways open as well as the opening of connections that exist in the given avatar - The astrological and native potentials that exist as a pre-arranged pathway/doorway.

I would expect that a larger than normal number of individuals on this forum (as compared to the general public) has a higher astrological energy number than the norm. Astrology is tied to the quantum and energetic fields that define the space/time position and flow of the solar system (as witnessed at the pressure/'standing wave' observation point of the earth) and the avatar integrations of the duality beings we call humans (and all of the earth).

There is a natural motion toward becoming and being clear, as we age, as emotional hormones, etc, all calm down. The situation seems to be playing into the idea that our 'lives' are designed to be much longer than they are right now (when we add in what is known about avatar maintenance, as a given technology via Alchemy). The advertized number of approximately 900 years, sounds about right.

Astrology of the birth and life flow of the individual is highly influential in these areas, and only when one works in such ways, to 'clear' the self, can one begin to surpass the astrological casting/forging of the formation and projection of self. This occurs, one might say, when the person is ready. It is in no way permanent, once done, but one is then trained in such matters and can either manage to stay 'clear' after the first clearing or do it in stages, or simply re-integrate (to 'fall down' as it were) after being clear. To bring 'tall tales' back from the foreign land of clarity.

As Greybeard (Chris) suggested, partial and momentary clearings are the most common (generally, such moments come to most people, at one time or another), going all the way and staying clear is the most difficult to achieve. It usually requires seclusion unless all connections to other (outside the being) are of a similar nature (the Buddhist monastery as support structure). The projection of the reality held by the bulk of humanity causes it to be difficult to 'swim' (in clarity) in such a churning sea of froth and storm.

It goes right back to that point about the experiment conducted by the scientists, who found reality forming around what they believe as a projection of and in self. I could get myself completely clear again, but that would probably require quite a bit of personal space, with no outside influences. connecting to humanity requires a certain degradation of this more ultimate clear state, and is a bit disconcerting when one is coming from a very clear state. As stories about alien integration/work with humans... have stated, humans are difficult and primitive inside, like children running rampant and out of control, with no idea what they are and are capable of.

I've covered quite a bit of this on the forum, in various places, some of it being in the lithium thread.

Since it is a time/space/flow thing, and all is connected to all, it is no wonder to me that chance begins to break down, causality breaks down, objectivity breaks down.... and things like this happen a thousand times over. One must simply turn into the slight wind that is observed ....and... make some headway. This tune is playing as I write this:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9TIADPEoISg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

[RunningDeer]

Posted by justoneman (here)
...perhaps that is now what motivates me to share my psi experiences as well as "what they mean" to me which turns out to have no "meaning" at all beyond the simple, metaphorical tap on the shoulder that reminds me I am part of an eternal experience where likely all is connected and where likely we all share responsibility in varying degrees as to the experiences of others.

Hi Chester,

Yes, for me, this last sentence says it all. Lived the “metaphorical tap on the shoulder” reference. It’s a fractional part of us. The phenomenon is one gateway to recall the larger perspective. Same for creativity and imagination and reflection and balanced living and community evolution and communion with the elements and all species of life, and, and...

“...we all share responsibility in varying degrees as to the experiences of others.”

I may be too focused on each word here rather than the general point you state. It depends from which perspective. (I know you know it, but for the guests I’ll continue.) Once tools, knowledge, support, and encouragement is shared, then one must step aside for the others’ chosen path to develop. Too, when each is in discovery mode, then we are all effected/changed from the gross to the sublime.

We each are responsible to keep digging for the blind spots that hold us captive from our Light. I have a sticky note that says:”I reclaim sovereignty by neutralizing implanted habits and thought patterns.”

I remind myself, patience with self and allowance for everyone to be where they are in the experiential process. It’s about our shared caring for a better world through expression of ideas which is a physical representation of Love and Co-creation in action.

I will not be surprised when the sleepy-heads catch up right quick, because it’s their time. Even though I’ve been at this for a while, they will surpass in nano-seconds. The knowledge needed will flood in perfect timing and perfectly.

And we'll all pick up speed in this game of 'toss out what’s old to make room for what it’s really about now'. All the old rules do not apply. And as soon as people figure that out, we’ll be humming along in the next phase of adventure.

Happy to see you around, Chester.

Hearts,
Paula

[minkton]

carmody , thanks for speaking more honestly. I think it helpful to delusion to do so. Self esteem not being much of an issue, then dropping delusion becomes possible and more than that, important to any sniffing out of genuine growth.

[skuzzy]

Posted by Christine (here)
It is up to us now as when to take the step or the leap... it means us claiming ourselves and accepting without doubt that this IS OUR REALITY. Hand in hand with this goes an acceptance of responsibility for what we create.

There is the difference between white magic and black. It is an exercise of power or a joining of THE FORCE. One is profane the other sacred. Only will you KNOW when your heart is engaged.

I keep finding that whatever I do for good I know it by joy.

Not to be a bother, but are you able to expand on this a little bit? I am not trying to think of "the force" as like in star wars, but I seem to feel that this is a general concept of our reality. I think that it is possible to become one with the energy of the galaxy(or however you want to phrase it), is there any roads you can start people on looking to travel that way?

[berry]

Thank you for this, Bill!!
Exceptionally well received.
So grateful that you're out there doing what you do!!
Best,
Berry

[transiten]

Posted by Paula (here)
Why do I share personal phenomena?

Often I stop and ask myself why am I posting what I cannot prove to anyone? What’s my intention? Is it for notoriety or perceived specialness? Or for the times, I’ve experienced during intense sad events, do I share for pity?

My head echoes with, “Wrong reason to share.” My heart echoes back, “No it’s not.”

I’ve lost count of how many post I’ve deleted because I question my intention. In that moment, it feels like an opportunity to say, “Hey, we all do this stuff!” Then, I feel vulnerable and delete.

More and more I feel it’s important for everyone to know these are ordinary tools that we’ve only forgotten. It’s time to awaken to them. And those of us that have bits and pieces, now it’s the time to come forward. It helps to trigger recall in others.

Each has the freedom of choice to accept or reject what’s true for themselves. I’d say keep an open mind. It doesn’t matter if I’m believed or not. I'll continue to live the way we are meant to live. Mine are small in comparison to the greats. But they continue to reveal because I know them to be real. I know it IS the way we are. It's time to rev up the engines.

Hearts,
Paula

Hey hey Paula

Just arrived home after 2 weeks of absence and have been thinking about our synchronicities and there you are expressing exactly the feelings i've had during all these years i've been posting very personal experiences on fora like this one!

Must rush to the dentist, see you around

[Roisin]

Deleted what I had here before and I will continue to enjoy the conversation that's going on in this thread. Learning a few new things too and, as always, I'm amazed at how informed members here at PA are on those topics that are being talked about here.

[Chester]

And here is a great example of synchronicity (my personal psi specialty) -

I discovered the latest Bases interview (Bases 32) on the very day Miles put it up on YouTube. But I did not listen to it until last night. The interviewee is a gentleman named Joshua Patrick.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=u1eHuvTKV8k

At around the 24 minute mark Joshua discusses synchronicity and communicates the same conclusion I have derived from my own experiences about this phenomena - especially as this might relate to "aliens" and perhaps "demons" (Archons), Ascended Masters, "God," and "Gods," etc.

If we consider the conclusions of Tom Campbell along with Joshua's views about these types of phenomena, then we can consider our own role in the manifestation of such phenomena.

Doesn't this then suggest our potential responsibility (or at least shared responsibility) in how these phenomena effect our individual and collective experiences?

Because I have adopted the likelihood that I have some (if not full) responsibility as to all my experiences, I have noticed a massive and profound change in my life experience - and the best word I can come up with to describe my life experience now is the word - "enriched."

[Delight]

This is a very valuable discussion about the issue of self development of the science behind the "exceptional abilities" versus allowing another to be the conduit for these abilities.

This experiencer had an intimate relationship with Sai Baba including sexual contact. In 5 interviews he saw both amazing and "exceptional" abilities alongside manipulative trickery and abuse.

Paraphrase from the video: It is a set up sucking the power away and controling people in this kind of relationship. It is a deal struck energetically.

" I was not aware that it was a deal .... I was not able to see beyond my victimization...in the end.... you only loose....You get more sensitive...but you are completely dependent on the (guru)...A powerful being unable to live up to his advertisement that he is a liberator, he is an enslaver"

If you watch the video, I think he is talking about "Ramtha" as his teacher now.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KYTaL5vgL1I

Alan Steinfeld interviews Ullrich Zimmermann who is a student at the Ramtha School of Enlightenment.

http://blip.tv/rabbit-hole-central/d...se-pt-1-128860

Here is the second part of the interview with Ullrich Zimmerman about contact with Sai Baba

http://blip.tv/rabbit-hole-central/d...se-pt-2-131321

This is the best part for me.... He realized that he had been lifted up by the Guru in return for total focus devotion comes through Sai Baba...abilities hooked to the guru. This acknowledges that there these abilities exist but may not be liberating if one becomes a "powerful battery" used as a feeder (a paraphrase from the video)..

http://blip.tv/rabbit-hole-central/d...se-pt-3-131665

Divine Blessings or Earthly Abuse? pt 3

Part three of interview by Alan Steinfeld with Ullrich Zimmermann on his sexual encounters with Satya Sai Baba and subsequent spiritual experiences. A study into the Great Work, the God Within and the problematic role of the Guru.

[grapevine]

This thread is moving quicker than I can read it, so apologies if this has already been added.

Here is a link to "5 technologies that will plug the internet straight into your brain". It's quite a large file with many videos covering:
1. Computer aided telepathy
2. The internet feels like this
3. Meatware, meat Hardware
4. Cyborg brains for all
5. A Dreamcatcher, literally
http://www.dvice.com/archives/2012/0...chnologies.php

Maybe exceptional psychic abilities for all are a mere "click" away . . .

[minkton]

If you opt for guruyoga as your path, you should find out what guruyoga involves, and withstand the complaints of ego that will feel ousted and threatened and will wriggle and writhe to get supremacy over your guru, and seperate you from the path to liberation.. because its a liberation from ego, ie the very thing that seeks to cling to you and dislikes your guru intensely.
Guruyoga is path of the heart, involving a cultivation of devotion. When you see nitpicking of the guru and egoic disgruntlement, you know the adept is acting out against the path they chose, and have shifted from heart to head.

Most of us are not aware of the deals we have made. They are made unconsciously. Becoming one with a guru means you share in their extended consciousness. To gripe that you cant break off a piece of this consciousness and take it away, as an adept..well, it is our personal responsibility to understand our own path and the commitments required. Rush in idealistically, extensively gripe later..a sad and familiar pattern.

[Agape]

Posted by minkton (here)
If you opt for guruyoga as your path, you should find out what guruyoga involves, and withstand the complaints of ego that will feel ousted and threatened and will wriggle and writhe to get supremacy over your guru, and seperate you from the path to liberation.. because its a liberation from ego, ie the very thing that seeks to cling to you and dislikes your guru intensely.
Guruyoga is path of the heart, involving a cultivation of devotion. When you see nitpicking of the guru and egoic disgruntlement, you know the adept is acting out against the path they chose, and have shifted from heart to head.

Most of us are not aware of the deals we have made. They are made unconsciously. Becoming one with a guru means you share in their extended consciousness. To gripe that you cant break off a piece of this consciousness and take it away, as an adept..well, it is our personal responsibility to understand our own path and the commitments required. Rush in idealistically, extensively gripe later..a sad and familiar pattern.

When there were real relationships between Masters and Students , mostly on individual base since calling your TV ''Guru'' is big proliferation of term ,
adopted by western cultures and media
and transplanted back to its original cultures so that nowadays many people have a real big mess of it ,

there was no need for 'Guru worship' and 'Guru Yoga' .

Likely , every form of authentic practise becomes institutionalised when it looses its original form and meaning .

It's not any new as we know , so also every form of corruption is old as mankind itself .

Even thousands of years ago, there were people who sold 'Dharma' for money or simply gave away blessings and truth to other people who could afford to pay for it,

even though, from strictly Dharma point of view , this is intolerable ethical mistake .

With centuries, the same corruption continued and evolved in many ways,
golden images replaced wisdom, gurus, gods ,
gold itself is now being claimed as easy way to enlightenment ..


No doubts authentic yogis , Buddhas and other Masters refused to associate themselves with any form of idol worship and threw away all material possessions more often than otherwise .



From Lao'tze :

When the Way is forgotten

Duty and justice appear;

Then knowledge and wisdom are born

Along with hypocrisy.

When harmonious relationships dissolve

Then respect and devotion arise;

When a nation falls to chaos

Then loyalty and patriotism are born.

http://www.taoteching.cn/index.php/c...-18-hypocrisy/

[minkton]

Guruyoga isnt teacher and student. Its called guruyoga. A path of devotion.

Burn yourself down, as carmody put it, by giving yourself over to the guru.

Deciding that a guru is too powerful, is a decision of the ego. Either you listen to your ego , or your guru.

One is the path of liberation, the other is perfectly mundane. Worship is a great practice, when managed well. Humility and heart grows from it.

The person that benefits from cultivating devotion, is the cultivator. Ego is diminished in the process and will try to drive you into relationships where you will "feel more equal".. in other words, where ego is comfy in its throne.

There is no guruyoga discussed in taoist texts.

[Chester]

I make one bet - I bet on the vibrant, energetic expression of life.

I live my life expressing my gratitude for life.

I know life has its absurdities, but I still bet on life and give my all in honoring this gift of life.

It is my opinion that at each and every new moment are infinite possibilities and that one of those possibilities expresses life better than all the rest.

I seek to be part of that very best next moment.

I do not cast out perceived outcomes (I do not perform intentional magic as one man's white magic may be another man's black). I do throw forth my honest emotion from my heart. I leave the result up to the wisdom behind magnificently expressed life.

I make the odds high that those who do this will experience robust, invigorating life eternally.

I hope I see you there.

[Chester]

Posted by minkton (here)
Guruyoga isnt teacher and student. Its called guruyoga. A path of devotion.

Burn yourself down, as carmody put it, by giving yourself over to the guru.

Deciding that a guru is too powerful, is a decision of the ego. Either you listen to your ego , or your guru.

One is the path of liberation, the other is perfectly mundane. Worship is a great practice, when managed well. Humility and heart grows from it.

The person that benefits from cultivating devotion, is the cultivator. Ego is diminished in the process and will try to drive you into relationships where you will "feel more equal".. in other words, where ego is comfy in its throne.

There is no guruyoga discussed in taoist texts.

I found the guru within through the Tao. That guru has no agenda.