How to change a Belief to Knowingness?

[markpierre]

Posted by ATok (here)
Calamus, thank you

But =P, it is something I need to believe in don't I? I spent sometime in this state, and Im still there for some portions, I remember asking for so long for help and nothing occurred, so I tried so more, and still nothing, so I kept trying and nothing, so I came back from this long-long meditative-observer state and the first thing I had in mind, is to research every think I want, because I understood that there is some ultimate truth, but because of it I can create my own truth and live by it(how most of us do), but the creation of your own truth will take you far from the ultimate truth.

So I came to believe that my beliefs are shaping my reality, meaning that if I do believe in something, I will behave that way, for example I have the believe that Im God, so at the beginning I couldn't even tell it to no one because I wasn't strong enough in my belief, but I kept saying it to myself, with time information, insights and understandings came by to approve my belief, so now I can easily say it in public, and have a good explanation how it is possible

I see beliefs as road paths we take in our life, when you choose to turn to a specific road that will lead you somewhere, you ain't getting there right away, you need to walk a little bit, but the further you walk you see more signs of the destination. So in life, its infinite number of parallel realities and all we do is to shuffle them according to our beliefs, with each action and though we choosing another picture of the infinite possibilities, observe what there is and continue on, like in a movie, you have the machine that run the films upon the projector, this is my mind, and you have the films, separated pictures that with motion creates the feeling of movement - possible realities.
Each time the example of some kind of invention coming to my mind.. Lets take the light, at the beginning we knew fire, but then one day someone believed that he can create something else, all he had was a belief, nothing more. So with time he kept his belief and events occurred that led him closer to his belief until finely he could realize it physically and now, it is something we know.

That's really good. most people still just want to make their beliefs real.
Knowing you're in God is the ultimate. Do you feel that? Does it rely on a belief? It wouldn't need approval, there's too much joy.

'Knowingness' doesn't believe things. It doesn't need to.

Beliefs aren't some valuable thing that evolve into knowing. It's just what you believe. It's the antithesis. You're right, they lead you there,
as they change.
Funny how everything works so well together. You don't manage your own state of mind. It manages you. You just notice it.
If your beliefs are causing conflict in any way, (even needing to defend them) you might have a look at why you believe them.

When you've forgotten everything you believe, you'll 'know'. How do you do it? Somehow you give up. You stop fighting.
You find yourself feeling happily present. Maybe occasionally think 'what was that?'
What's pure consciousness? Empty or full?

[greybeard]

There is enormous freedom in not having to be right.
Enlightened teachers say that all belief systems, concepts must go.
Why? Because there is so much personally invested in being right.
Being right automatically makes the other wrong.
Enlightenment is non-duality.
Duality requires opposites like right and wrong.

The paradox is that one can have an opinion, but there is no emotional charge behind it.
There is no egoistic reaction if the opinion is found to be incorrect.

The enlightened have a Knowingness that does not need words or explanation.
I know that I am male but I don't have to keep reminding myself or verbalising it.
Or rather, to be more accurate, I am in a male body.
I know "I am"
The knowing I am is not dependant on anything separate or external.
The knowing just is.

Chris

[ATok]

Posted by markpierre (here)
That's really good. most people still just want to make their beliefs real.

Well, I do want my beliefs come true, otherwise why do I have them?

'Knowingness' doesn't believe things. It doesn't need to.
Beliefs aren't some valuable thing that evolve into knowing. It's just what you believe. It's the antithesis. You're right, they lead you there,
as they change.
What's pure consciousness? Empty or full?

Exactly, Knowingness is God, beliefs are the paths to God. So no matter what you believe, one way or another you will reach God, because there is no other destiny.

I believe the question is, What is it Consciousness?

Posted by greybeard (here)
There is enormous freedom in not having to be right.
Enlightened teachers say that all belief systems, concepts must go.
Why? Because there is so much personally invested in being right.
Being right automatically makes the other wrong.
Enlightenment is non-duality.
Duality requires opposites like right and wrong.
Chris

I don't know who those teachers are, but as all my explanations above, beliefs are part of our life want it or not.
Of course you can go in a state of a rock and just witness what happening around ya, but this idea do not excites me, and no matter who will say that this is the only way to God or whatever, do not concern me
Enlightened one should understand that it is the Judgmental aspect of you, and the Expectation you create who's starting all the conflicts. When you cease to judge yourself(or others, as you wish) you don't have any emotional baggage attached to anything, because only when you judge situation to be positive or negative you get the emotion that you define to this judge.

[markpierre]

Well, I do want my beliefs come true, otherwise why do I have them?

Desire.

I believe the question is, What is it Consciousness?

You. Without desire.

[Kalamos]

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[rgray222]

I grew up with a sign above my bedroom door that made me think every day of my life. It simply read.............

Anything the mind can conceive the body can achieve

To this day I believe that anything is possible