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    http://friendsofpineridgereservation.org/ (please read preceding link info.)

    How many promises were made and broken? Please...if you care at all about human beings...if you care about protecting and preserving the ways of Indigenous Americans...the people who treated the earth with the utmost respect, read about what has happened at Wounded knee, the history, the current ownership, and the consequences that may be faced for the 1% minority of Americans. REMEMBER that 1% were once the ONLY Americans. 1% minority!!!???? Think about it, and ask why our public schools want to remove art/music programs, yet fail to teach the TRUE history and intentional GENOCIDE of Americas first people!!

    If you live in America...Please watch the following (knowledge IS power---once you see it, ONLY YOU are responsible for CHOOSING to ignore the TRUTH):



    Have you ever heard of Conflict theory? If I hear...just ONE more time that our brothers and sisters are starving due to addiction...JUST one more time! No group of peoples has suffered more. No one on this planet. Tribal Law is as corrupt and confusing as federal and state laws have CURRENTLY become in the U.S. That is nearly a shameful comparison though...isn't it? Watch...be aware...listen...think. This is kept hidden, HIDDEN to all Americans. Reality T.V., including ridiculous nonsense take precedence over THIS truth. I am sick. I have more to post regarding Leonard Peltier (which is related, yet a different subject matter regarding 'scapegoats'). MORE TO COME. Wake Up!!!

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    Default Re: Protect Indigenous Americans: The Auction of Sacred land (Wounded Knee) and more...

    Mother earth, in the end, will speak for the indigenous. When the tipping point is reached there will be no turning back to resolve the damage inflicted. Warning of this has been told and to ignore this is surely to our detriment.

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    Edited post, posted in wrong thread originally (Corrected).

    Being of Cherokee lineage I had the honor of being raised by a Grand Father who was an Elder and Holy Man, he was quite a person to say the least. The stories passed to him by his grand mother of the Trail of Tears and of some other long forgotten atrocities were stories I heard on camping trips and just sitting in his room as he and I escaped the rest of the family (Not out of fear, we were the only Males in a Small house) to have our special quiet talks and teachings.

    Still to this day it saddens me how it is accepted that since a people was defeated in such "ancient times" it is okay to still dishonor their traditions and memories. Their voices are small, even more of a minority than most of the groups that have strong voices, so strong now that the powers that be fear and tip toe around words to prevent angering them... NOT SO with the Native's of this conquered land. It amazes me that this is so when everyone who has the slightest trickle of Native American DNA stands up with pride to say so.
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    I have been reconnecting with my Cherokee Family more and more. My Cherokee Father told me a story that I did not know.

    Dragging Canoe a great ,if not the greatest Cherokee warrior ever, saved Andrew Jackson's life at the battle of Horse Shoe Bend. Later "President" Andrew Jackson signed the Indian Removal Act which resulted in the attempted genocide of the Cherokee Nation during The Trail of Tears. That is a sample of gratitude beyond compare--no one can change history!!

    It was not by accident, that our peoples were destroyed. This is not even conspiracy. The open annihilation of the American Indian Nations represent, by far, the biggest blood stain of Americans, BY Americans in history. Many Cherokee fought along side the British soldiers during the revolution, until their was a revolt. Indian nations, by and large, were against the establishment of a Government on American Soil. The attitudes of the radical Government, and the Big Business that followed, were not fully understood, and completely underestimated by American Indians.



    The stated objective of the Dawes Act of 1887 was to stimulate assimilation of Natives into mainstream American society. However, the result of the Dawes Commission was that the Native nations were stripped of their communally held national lands, which were divided into single lots and allotted to individual members of the nation. All remaining land was deemed “surplus” by the government and sold or given to non-Natives.

    All the while, being considered 'savages' and 'barbaric'...









    The Cherokee do not Blame white man. They blame Greed, and bigotry, and ignorance. Once we rid the human condition of these things, the tribes/clans can help people to regain a connection to Mother Earth, and the free peoples of Earth can inherit the planet. There is a symbiotic relationship with the planet and its people. It is out of balance. The spiritual connection we have with our planet must be embraced, once again. We can save ourselves and the Earth.

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    Leonard Peltiers..My Life is My Sun Dance.also Black Elk speaks..as told through John G.Neihardt.recommend both books also pretty good threads on the forum.great thread.nice work.welcome to avalon.
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    of all the promises made to native americans, NONE were kept ... oklahoma was to be an indian prision state , moving as many tribes here as possible to clear the way for english settlers to build their new world without fear of war with indians ... history lies , the indians were slaughtered by white men with guns ... the native american the real minority , shhhh, thats kept silent , and not spoken of ... the trail of tears ended up in glenpool oklahoma where the reservation still exsist today , I have been there , it is a sad reality when you see it for yourself , the mountains of tennessee and georgia are much more beautiful than the plains of oklahoma , sad ...you should read some of the writings of sitting bull , he sounds like one of us today ...
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    in California, they all are getting $10,000 a month to help them survive...

    Indian Casinos have really changed their lives, so is easy wealth changing them for the better?

    giving them what they need to get educated and move from the reservations into big cities, or are they still living in the same run down homes, not spending it on bettering themselves? Is it teaching them greed and appreciation of stuff that really means nothing?

    are they pooling their money to make life better for other indigenous Indians, or are they keeping it for themselves?

    I'm sure most of you have never heard of this, I just recently found out about it myself...

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    I am happy this subject has been raised, and hopeful will garner more attention... the atrocities are being brought to light again... thanks Aquarius R!

    The wasp-ian education system barely scratches the surface on the subject of his-story.




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    in California, they all are getting $10,000 a month to help them survive...

    Indian Casinos have really changed their lives, so is easy wealth changing them for the better?

    giving them what they need to get educated and move from the reservations into big cities, or are they still living in the same run down homes, not spending it on bettering themselves? Is it teaching them greed and appreciation of stuff that really means nothing?

    are they pooling their money to make life better for other indigenous Indians, or are they keeping it for themselves?

    I'm sure most of you have never heard of this, I just recently found out about it myself...
    I do not get a dime. My friend, I do not think of it in terms of money.. There is no dollar figure that can ever be paid. Many tribes are getting tribal assistance in many ways. Of course Casinos are a big change for tribal wealth. But there has been a big change in lots of ways including education, and especially healthcare. I have heard of cash payments to tribal members,, but I wouldn't assume that it is like that with every Tribe, in every 'State'. I could be wrong. I would really disagree with putting it in 'us and them' terms. American Indians are Americans too!! By the definition of the term,, we are ALL Native Americans. Putting it in terms of money, will always distract and deter from the Spirit of cultural/tribal peoples. There is no definition of restitution that will ever exist. One cannot change history. I would not assume that the Indian Nations are lost and confused!! (I am not saying that you ARE,, I am trying to be more general) I would be interested to know how it works from Tribe to Tribe. I do not understand how it would matter what State a Tribe is in.. ?? Is it a State benefit?? I don't quite understand many of the details. I am still learning...

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    Default Re: Protect Indigenous Americans: The Auction of Sacred land (Wounded Knee) and more...

    this is three years old....

    http://nativetimes.com/index.php?opt...tter&Itemid=24

    the natives were receiving 9000 a year from casinos in north carolina

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    Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
    in California, they all are getting $10,000 a month to help them survive...

    Indian Casinos have really changed their lives, so is easy wealth changing them for the better?

    giving them what they need to get educated and move from the reservations into big cities, or are they still living in the same run down homes, not spending it on bettering themselves? Is it teaching them greed and appreciation of stuff that really means nothing?

    are they pooling their money to make life better for other indigenous Indians, or are they keeping it for themselves?

    I'm sure most of you have never heard of this, I just recently found out about it myself...
    I do not get a dime. My friend, I do not think of it in terms of money.. There is no dollar figure that can ever be paid. Many tribes are getting tribal assistance in many ways. Of course Casinos are a big change for tribal wealth. But there has been a big change in lots of ways including education, and especially healthcare. I have heard of cash payments to tribal members,, but I wouldn't assume that it is like that with every Tribe, in every 'State'. I could be wrong. I would really disagree with putting it in 'us and them' terms. American Indians are Americans too!! By the definition of the term,, we are ALL Native Americans. Putting it in terms of money, will always distract and deter from the Spirit of cultural/tribal peoples. There is no definition of restitution that will ever exist. One cannot change history. I would not assume that the Indian Nations are lost and confused!! (I am not saying that you ARE,, I am trying to be more general) I would be interested to know how it works from Tribe to Tribe. I do not understand how it would matter what State a Tribe is in.. ?? Is it a State benefit?? I don't quite understand many of the details. I am still learning...

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    when the Vikings brought the Templars to Minnesota, they lived peacefully with the tribes for many generations...

    Templars were the original international bankers, but when the slaughter started of Templars, they no longer controlled the money system those who followed have been running the world ever since. The goal is taxes, and when citizens stopped paying them, they created central banks to tax the world in a different way.

    it really doesn't matter what country or race you are, you are a slave to the bankers

    many gifts shown here at Avalon would make ancient Indians proud, we are relearning long forgotten knowledge, and for those of us connected to the past feel pain from much that has happened throughout this world, but now the bankers are losing control, we have nothing for them to take from us, the world is hopping off their wheel...

    I stand beside all who have been hurt in the past, every life is precious and protecting them is why we are here, right now...

    Spirits of ancient Indians have been reborn inside many of us, the skin may be lighter, but what is known in the heart speaks volumes, and will continue to increase in strength...

    Bankers will lose their hold on the world, and the meek and kind hearted are the new leaders...

    memories are how we honor those hurt before us, as long as they are not forgotten, they will be part of us.

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    I am of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Tribe via my gg grandmother... she lost all of her "Indian birth rights" when she married a white man... back in 1820... so noone of my family was ever in the Census Rolls.

    I have often been to Cherokee, NC and seen the Casino there... which looks like a piece of Las Vegas rubbish in the middle of the beautiful Appalacians...with hokey souvineer stores selling "made in China" Plains Indians gadgets to the ignorant "tourists". I just put on my blinders and keep on driving west to...

    The "real" NC reservation is a completely different twilight zone.... the poverty is evident! But it only represents what one would find in most of Appalacia. Western NC isn't immune. And...the state of NC has one of the most beneficial "aid" programs for the poor in general. I assume the mindset is: why work if you get gov't money to do nothing....

    Shoot! Three of the top poorest cities of the US are found in NC! (http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?se...cal&id=9281906)

    And the Mexicans flock to NC .... some towns have gone from populations of 10,000 or less to 100,000 in the last 10 years alone because of the immigrants... sorry...off topic.

    If you go to the Oconaluftee Indian Village or to the Museum of the Cherokee Indian and really talk to the people who work there, you will find some Cherokee who are still in touch with their heritage. They told me that too many of the younger ones don't "know" about the old ways anymore. So much for progress....
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    http://www.phoenician.org/knights_te...in_lebanon.htm

    this link talks about how the templars were highly influenced by the people in lebanon/phonicians.

    Did the Templars follow the phonecians or bring them with? http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2011/0...s-templar.html

    "What becomes clear is that the heresy the Templars were accused of was Johannite Gnosticism; in other words, a reverence of John the Baptist as the true messiah. The Vatican is unambiguous about this-- or rather, was until it reversed course in the mid 2000s under pressure or influence we can only guess at."

    "Was John himself Phoenician? Syrian Phoenicians are generally credited with the creation of Gnosticism and the Vatican is on record as believing the Baptist to be the "Father of the Gnostics." It's hard to say, but what is clear is that like many other hubs of the Roman East, Israel was a marketplace of religious ideas during the time of John and Jesus and the lines of demarcation were not always clear."


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    when the Vikings brought the Templars to Minnesota, they lived peacefully with the tribes for many generations...

    Templars were the original international bankers,
    Native Americans spoke an ancient form of Hebrew/Phoenician?!
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    My understanding is that the Federal Government Regulates Indian Gaming, but does not actually pay benefits to tribes. All Tribal payment monies come from within the tribe. Getting my CDIB has proven to be tricky. As fare as I can tell, American Indians are the only minority that has to prove their connection to their families,, to the government... There is no money or monthly check given to Cherokee Nation citizens. Instead, Cherokee Nation re-invests the profits from its tribal enterprises into job creation, economic development and services for tribal citizens who are prioritized as those highest in need, such as the elderly, low-income or disabled. There are most definitely programs to assist with housing, jobs, healthcare, child care, etc... Cherokee Nation citizens are required to pay all applicable taxes. Cherokee Nation citizens hold a dual citizenship but that does not exempt them from paying taxes.

    Thx for the link, Thunder24...

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    Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
    in California, they all are getting $10,000 a month to help them survive...

    Indian Casinos have really changed their lives, so is easy wealth changing them for the better?

    giving them what they need to get educated and move from the reservations into big cities, or are they still living in the same run down homes, not spending it on bettering themselves? Is it teaching them greed and appreciation of stuff that really means nothing?

    are they pooling their money to make life better for other indigenous Indians, or are they keeping it for themselves?

    I'm sure most of you have never heard of this, I just recently found out about it myself...
    LOL! actually go yourself to a reservation and see for yourself the great lives Indians are living due to these casinos making them rich!
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    thank you for this.

    There was a Cherokee daughter of a chieftain in my family, many generations ago.

    The connection between the spirit and the land is unbreakable. It is hard not to feel the old wounds.

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    Aquarius thanks for your post. This is such a critical global issue and so few people give it any real attention. The impact of disposession continues to destroy indigenous people everywhere. Disposession and the imposition of white values created transgenerational, loss, grief and trauma and social disadvantage that continues from generation to generation. When land goes, connection to the land and culture goes, education dissapears and opportunity dissapears. Suffering and short lives follow. Here in Australia our first people have followed the same trajectory but they at least have access to large tracts of land in some parts f our country. Reservations and Missions around the are a form of systematic genocide that today have become places of abject terror and places of great strength.

    I have worked with many Aboriginal people and the struggle to define one's self and find one's own identity and one's own path, in the face of a bloody and confused history, is immense. For many indigenous people, the struggle to move beyond poverty of heart and spirit and above the poverty line looks almost impossible. Here in Australia, it looks like something that will take generations.

    More non indigenous people need to care about their indigenous brothers and sisters.

    It is the rainbow children who will heal the great hoop of the Earth - not the white man or any other single colour.

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    Quote Posted by Jake (here)
    My understanding is that the Federal Government Regulates Indian Gaming, but does not actually pay benefits to tribes. All Tribal payment monies come from within the tribe. Getting my CDIB has proven to be tricky. As fare as I can tell, American Indians are the only minority that has to prove their connection to their families,, to the government... There is no money or monthly check given to Cherokee Nation citizens. Instead, Cherokee Nation re-invests the profits from its tribal enterprises into job creation, economic development and services for tribal citizens who are prioritized as those highest in need, such as the elderly, low-income or disabled. There are most definitely programs to assist with housing, jobs, healthcare, child care, etc... Cherokee Nation citizens are required to pay all applicable taxes. Cherokee Nation citizens hold a dual citizenship but that does not exempt them from paying taxes.

    Thx for the link, Thunder24...

    Jake.
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    You are correct. Even college funding has been cut, and must be raised by the tribal communities. I have been following the auctioning of the sale of Wounded knee lately and it has taken me back to two important acts of unfathomable violence on behalf of our government on that land. That is only a speck of dust...I know...in comparison to ALL wrongs and acts of terrorism inflicted upon all nations from the beginning. What is happening on Pine Ridge reservation...what is happening with tribal law...how could there be any hope left? No alcohol allowed on Pine Ridge....WOW...then why is it still being sold there?! Right. Alcoholism...why would it not be inevitable...or the teenage suicide rate among these 'human beings'???? I think most Americans have no clue about what is happening/has happened. It certainly will never be found in a school text book either. The broken treaties, massacres, attempts to commit genocide, enslave, and eventually forcing Christianity and MAJOR cultural changes as the ultimate act of humiliation...degradation...control. Children stolen from parents...boarding schools whose motto may as well have been: "Think like us...look like us...become us...or perish". (Sigh.)

    As I have been reading about the auction of this particular land, I think about the massacre at wounded knee...the photograph of Big Foot lying frozen to death--half sitting up as if to witness what he worked so hard to prevent with wisdom and peaceful communications---with a broken heart. The first shot was an accident as the US 7th Calvary as they unarmed their peaceful victims??? An accident???

    My heart has never been whole due to this type of injustice. I store this whole with all things hidden. Including the disgusting, corrupt acts of terrorism which took place affecting African Americans prior to The Civil Rights Movement in the U.S. (and continue to take place in various ways...although quieted...brushed under the rug).

    I strongly dislike fighting; however, under certain circumstances fighting is necessary. In these cases is JUSTIFIABLY called 'defense.'
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    Bright Garlic,

    Thank you...you are 'spot on.' Indigenous peoples, and protecting their cultures/identities has been a GREAT passion of mine since early childhood. It is the primary reason I studied law and particularly embrace Civil Rights law. I am not suggesting that law is the answer. However, there are features designed to help protect and maintain equality (although it is only now that those features are being looked at...'touched, on' and only in small areas at that [but nonetheless important]). I understand that there is immense corruption and plenty of room for 'misinterpretation' within 'the laws.' Making matter worse, Tribal law is a separate entity, and can/has become equally as corrupt/controlled by outside sources.

    It takes VAST numbers of people to initiate/make change. Things have been 'wrong' for so long...so very long. I am amazed at the hope of those deemed hopeless by societies. They will continue to inspire me in ways that nothing else can on this earth. My heart...it is with them...everyday...always. <3
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    Addendum to last post:

    I will not get into my ancestry, but it is relevant. Perhaps that combined with my intolerance of greed/corruption in general that inspired me to create this thread. I am new here, and I am certain that it is merely one of hundreds. I will have to look back and explore (forgive me for repeating/re-introducing subject matter/content).
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