Mystery fibres drop from sky

[The Canceller]

Posted by heyokah (here)
Different video !!

Some can't see the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail either. They can't or they won't......

I'm fairly new to this chemtrail thing. Based on what I have seen so far, chemtrails seem more of a belief than any sort of verifiable fact. Are you able to provide any scientific evidence to support that chemtrails exist at all? If I can get over that barrier, it would be far easier for me to move onto a consideration of the possibilities mentioned in this thread. At this stage, Occam's Razor is my guide.

[heyokah]

Posted by The Canceller (here)
I'm fairly new to this chemtrail thing. Based on what I have seen so far, chemtrails seem more of a belief than any sort of verifiable fact. Are you able to provide any scientific evidence to support that chemtrails exist at all? If I can get over that barrier, it would be far easier for me to move onto a consideration the possibilities mentioned in this thread. At this stage, Occam's Razor is my guide.

So you are new here. Welcome !

I will give you one that is not too long. Good to start with.
Don't be shocked.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=a2x6TEeknfo

This one is even shorter.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fCohucT7FmQ

And the one I posted before (post #8 ): Morgellons actually Explained!!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=oj8pA...3AD93&index=12

Good luck

[The Canceller]

Posted by heyokah (here)
So you are new here. Welcome !

I will give you one that is not too long. Good to start with.
Don't be shocked.

Good luck

Thank you for the welcome.

Interesting stuff and, despite your instruction, I am a little shocked. Still, I obviously didn't make myself clear. When I say "scientific evidence", I am referring to some sort of scholarly article which has been subject to peer review and published under the aegis of an organisation recognised for its intellectual rigour and sustained, on-going reliability. A major university press would be a good example. Are you able to link to anything like that? I just would hate to go down this rabbit hole without some sort of credible basis upon which to do so.

[heyokah]

Posted by The Canceller (here)

Posted by heyokah (here)
So you are new here. Welcome !

I will give you one that is not too long. Good to start with.
Don't be shocked.

Good luck

Thank you for the welcome.

Interesting stuff and, despite your instruction, I am a little shocked. Still, I obviously didn't make myself clear. When I say "scientific evidence", I am referring to some sort of scholarly article which has been subject to peer review and published under the aegis of an organisation recognised for its intellectual rigour and sustained, on-going reliability. A major university press would be a good example. Are you able to link to anything like that? I just would hate to go down this rabbit hole without some sort of credible basis upon which to do so.

Read these articles and you'll know why scollars or universities don't want to "burn their hands" on this topic. (Dutch saying).

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/a...emtrail-tests/

http://www.infowars.com/chemtrails-a...ed-and-denied/

http://www.rense.com/general77/widesp.htm

[heyokah]

One more for the rest of the week

The aluminum and/or barium based sprays can increase military radar
visibility on military flight paths (not chaff), reflect sun infrared back to space, obstruct the sky to reduce visibility of training exercises and prevent the masses from properly producing enough vitamin D - leading to mass problems related to low immune system function, and whatever else. And, all those things at the exact same time - Hitting many birds with the one stone.......

http://panacea-bocaf.org/chemtrails.htm

[The Canceller]

Posted by heyokah (here)
Read these articles and you'll know why scollars or universities don't want to "burn their hands" on this topic. (Dutch saying).

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/a...emtrail-tests/

http://www.infowars.com/chemtrails-a...ed-and-denied/

http://www.rense.com/general77/widesp.htm

Again, interesting stuff, thank you. Joe Marmon's suit looks like it might provide some sort of evidence, even if it is just sufficient to convince a judge. I did quick Google rergarding the case but there doesn't seem to have been any profress in the matter since 2011. Not that surprising given the kind protracted nature of litigation. The second article from Infowars repeats lots of assertions I've seen elsewhere but seems to go off the rails when the writer suggests its possible to remove aluminium from the brain by drinking a particular type of mineral water. Very strange. The third article from rense.com actually provides evidence to suggest chemtrails are a nonsense. I mean, if Greenpeace dismisses the basic science involved, that's another nail in the coffin because you can be assured Greenpeace is not an organisation frightened by speaking truth to power. I'm afraid to say, none of the articles provide any indication as to why scholars and universities would not be interested in supporting evidence which confirms the existence of chemtrails.

Thanks again for taking the time and making the effort with me. The more I look into this the more I am becoming convinced the chemtrail thing is just a money-making scam deriving revenue both from the gullible and from those organisations interested in diluting the work of the IPCC. There is far greater evidence available for that position than there is for chemtrails.

[The Canceller]

Posted by heyokah (here)
One more for the rest of the week

The aluminum and/or barium based sprays can increase military radar
visibility on military flight paths (not chaff), reflect sun infrared back to space, obstruct the sky to reduce visibility of training exercises and prevent the masses from properly producing enough vitamin D - leading to mass problems related to low immune system function, and whatever else. And, all those things at the exact same time - Hitting many birds with the one stone.......

http://panacea-bocaf.org/chemtrails.htm

Just one piece of evidence would be great.

[heyokah]

Posted by The Canceller (here)

Posted by heyokah (here)
One more for the rest of the week

The aluminum and/or barium based sprays can increase military radar
visibility on military flight paths (not chaff), reflect sun infrared back to space, obstruct the sky to reduce visibility of training exercises and prevent the masses from properly producing enough vitamin D - leading to mass problems related to low immune system function, and whatever else. And, all those things at the exact same time - Hitting many birds with the one stone.......

http://panacea-bocaf.org/chemtrails.htm

Just one piece of evidence would be great.

What more evidence do you want? Look up. Proof is there.
Don't expect someone to write a thesis on chemtrails. Scientists and universities are paid by the Government. They don't want to lose their jobs.

But I think your mind is already made up. My job isn't to convince you of something you don't want to believe.
My job is to protect me and the ones I love by what I know to be the truth at this point.

Posted by The Canceller (here)

I'm fairly new to this chemtrail thing. Based on what I have seen so far, chemtrails seem more of a belief than any sort of verifiable fact. Are you able to provide any scientific evidence to support that chemtrails exist at all? If I can get over that barrier, it would be far easier for me to move onto a consideration of the possibilities mentioned in this thread. At this stage, Occam's Razor is my guide.

Secondary to that is to combat disinformation. One of these pieces of disinformation that "debunkers" like to spread is the belief that Occam's razor is some hard and fast rule that theories must pass before they can be accepted.
The implication is that if a competing theory is simpler, then more complex theories which require more assumptions cannot be true.
This is one of the disinformation movement's secret weapons.

Occam's razor is not some scientific law that ideas have to conform to in order to be plausible. It's nothing more than a philosophical tie-breaker.
In fact, Occam's razor (or, the parsimony argument) is only useful if competing theories are equally plausible.
Personally, I believe that there is more reason to believe that chemtrails are just that - chemtrails.
I have yet to see a strong argument supporting any of the following:

1) chemtrails are the same as contrails
2) chemtrails don't exist
3) chemtrails are harmless

Dear Canceller, I leave it at that, because I'm not going to spend more time on you. There is enough information here on the forum or on the internet.

Hope you won't end up as a chemtroll

[The Canceller]

Posted by heyokah (here)
What more evidence do you want? Look up. Proof is there.

Where? This is possibly a very, very serious situation with dire consequences. Since being exposed to the idea of chemtrails here a few days ago, I have looked and looked. All I have found is international mockery of the idea along with detailed, blow-by-blow, assertion-by-assertion refuting of every claim made in support of chemtrails. From the grid patterns to the chemical analyses, from the simple logistics through to the aeronautical engineering. I am not yet 100 percent convinced chemtrails do not exist because I found the same sort of negative reaction when I first looked into the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Centre. It took a few years but I have since seen some evidence which convinces me that there is a good chance that it was not the planes flying into the buildings which caused their collapse. Let me know if you want to see some of the raw data used by those scientists. Some of the data has been criticised and some of it refuted, but not the core physics. So, when it comes to chemtrails, what evidence convinced you? What core element of chemtrails cannot be refuted? It can't have been anything you have posted here because nothing you have presented contains any actual evidence, only assertions.

When it comes to Occan's Razor, the two competing theories I'm dealing with are: (a) the fibres are evidence of chemtrails, versus, (b) the fibres are the work of spiders. Given that there is no evidence for (a), then (b) is the more likely. Simple. If Occam's Razor is no use to you here, try Carl Sagan's maxim: "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." You have to admit that chemtrails is an extraordinary claim. So where is this proof?

No, I am more likely to drift away from any further discussion on the subject than become a troll. If it turns out that chemtrails are simply a matter of belief rather than reality, I can't really see much harm in it except that it detracts from the far more important issue of anthropogenic climate change. As it happens, I too believe in things I can't prove, but I am working on some theories and doing some research.

[exponentialist]

Hey heyokah, I've been concerned with chemtrails for years now. I'm fascinated by and grateful for the videos you posted earlier. All the 'scientific' proof I need is my eyes, but I do appreciate conclusive evidence when it's available.

One prevailing question I've had is this: Those who manufacture and legislate the spraying, and those who deliver the stuff, are they just in denial? Do they really think it's just inert stuff? Unless one walks around with a gas mask on, we are all breathing the same air. I would imagine that those who are engineering this crap realize they're poisoning their own families, at some level. Got any insight on that? Thanks again.

[nomadguy]

Posted by The Canceller (here)

Posted by heyokah (here)
Read these articles and you'll know why scollars or universities don't want to "burn their hands" on this topic. (Dutch saying).

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/a...emtrail-tests/

http://www.infowars.com/chemtrails-a...ed-and-denied/

http://www.rense.com/general77/widesp.htm

Again, interesting stuff, thank you. Joe Marmon's suit looks like it might provide some sort of evidence, even if it is just sufficient to convince a judge. I did quick Google rergarding the case but there doesn't seem to have been any profress in the matter since 2011. Not that surprising given the kind protracted nature of litigation. The second article from Infowars repeats lots of assertions I've seen elsewhere but seems to go off the rails when the writer suggests its possible to remove aluminium from the brain by drinking a particular type of mineral water. Very strange. The third article from rense.com actually provides evidence to suggest chemtrails are a nonsense. I mean, if Greenpeace dismisses the basic science involved, that's another nail in the coffin because you can be assured Greenpeace is not an organisation frightened by speaking truth to power. I'm afraid to say, none of the articles provide any indication as to why scholars and universities would not be interested in supporting evidence which confirms the existence of chemtrails.

Thanks again for taking the time and making the effort with me. The more I look into this the more I am becoming convinced the chemtrail thing is just a money-making scam deriving revenue both from the gullible and from those organisations interested in diluting the work of the IPCC. There is far greater evidence available for that position than there is for chemtrails.

The evidence you are looking for is locked up in Patents. Sneaky yah?

[heyokah]

For those who need more information about what is going on before their eyes.

The Illuminati are vandalizing the skies, as visibly as a graffiti artist spraying a wall, and yet most of us remain oblivious.
Like little else, chemtrails bring home just how desperate our predicament is.



Chemtrails: Frightening Lesser-Known Facts

Human Pesticide?

"In the last ten years, respiratory disease in the US has moved from 8th to 3rd highest cause of death.
Asthma rates have more than doubled in the western world and Alzheimer's' disease, a condition that is caused by aluminum poisoning, has also skyrocketed. "

by David Richards
(henrymakow.com)

There has been an increasing awareness of chemtrails in recent years. Protests have been organized, movies have been released and whistle blowers have come forward.
Most significantly, former Los Angeles FBI chief Ted Gunderson made a video denouncing chemtrails shortly before his death in 2011.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gR6KVYJ73AU

The heavy spraying began in NATO countries in the late 90s, but today chemtrails are being recorded pretty much everywhere, from Russia to Brazil, South Korea to Cuba.
This is a program of extraordinary scope and importance. However, while we know a chemtrail program exists, there is very little hard information on how it functions and what its goals are.

I have been researching chemtrails and, while I don't yet have the full picture, I present this information will plug a few holes.

• Most politicians are as oblivious as we are.
AC Griffith, a former CIA and NSA operative,[/URL] says: 'The monies that go into CIA projects don't necessarily come from congressional appropriations. The congress as a whole is completely oblivious to the aerosol program. They are afraid to ask.'

People on the inside who oppose the program are punished. 'One of the key people who designed the aerosol is now sitting in federal penitentiary.
They still go to him to ask him questions.'

Griffith also revealed that former Clinton era Navy Chief of Naval Operations, Jeremy Boorda, left, was murdered because he opposed the program. Boorda was found dead in 1996 with three shotgun wounds in his chest.
The authorities were quick to claim he committed suicide, and the autopsy results were never released to the public.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Dgf6lKDtz5Q

• Commercial airliners are involved in spraying.
In the very beginning, the aerosols were sprayed solely by military planes, but now the program has been expanded and commercial airliners have been outfitted with aerosol units controlled by computers and satellites.
Photos provide evidence of this, like this Lufthansa jet flying over the US.

In the airline industry, the operation is known as Project Cloverfield.
In 2000, a high level executive at an American airline revealed his office was visited by two men from an unnamed government agency:

'They told us that the government was going to pay our airline, along with others, to release special chemicals from commercial aircraft. When asked what the chemicals were and why we were going to spray them, they told us that information was given on a need-to-know basis and we weren't cleared for it...We were made to sign non-disclosure forms that basically stated that we would go to prison if we told anyone what we knew.'


Delivery by commercial aircraft raises the possibility that many countries have not given consent to being sprayed, and may be unaware it's even happening.

• Weather manipulation is a daily occurrence.
Chemtrails are used in conjunction with HAARP for geo-engineering (the technical term for weather control).
Much is written about the ability to create disasters like earthquakes and tsunamis against an enemy, but we don't realize that weather patterns are manipulated all the time.
Scott Stevens was a TV weatherman in the US but quit his job upon realizing that this was happening on a nigh daily basis.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qrbKUK_bRfQ

~

If we don't organize to stop this scourge, we deserve what we get.


Despite this, I think anti-chemtrail activism has tremendous potential.
The existence of the operation is easy to prove and we have the testimony of many whistle blowers.
The protest movement can continue to generate momentum because chemtrails will persist for decades to come.
--

- See more at: http://henrymakow.com/2013/04/Chemtr....3GbpBBEr.dpuf

~

[heyokah]

Posted by exponentialist (here)
I would imagine that those who are engineering this crap realize they're poisoning their own families, at some level. Got any insight on that? Thanks again.

I agree it seems silly that they would poison themselves, but who knows, nobody does for sure.
They probably know how to avoid the side affects by using antidotes and supplements.

For instance this way:

Detoxifying daily habits

If we want to protect ourselves from this health-harming madness, a few select foods and supplements can help.

Chlorella - Pulls heavy metals from tissue and encapsulates toxins to prevent reabsorption in the digestive tract.

Pectin - Absorbs heavy metals in the intestines and assists with removal.

Cilantro - Eliminates mercury, lead and aluminum from the body.

Kombu seaweed - Rich in heavy metal-absorbing alginate.

Oxygenated silver - Destroys bacteria, viruses and fungus.

Activated charcoal - Binds to heavy metals for safe removal from the body.

As a powerful detoxifier of heavy metals, parasites, pollutants, bacteria, fungi and viruses, bentonite clay is an excellent defense against chemtrails. For internal consumption, only ingest the food grade variety known as calcium bentonite clay. It can also be used in the bath for gentle detoxification through the skin.

Additionally, DMPS (sodium 2,3-dimercaptopropane-l-sulfonate) is a sulfuric acid salt which is extremely effective in removing heavy metals from the body. In laboratory tests, when an intravenous shot of DMPS was given, 90 percent of heavy metals were excreted through the kidneys after 24 hours. Oral supplementation is also an option, although it’s considered less effective.

See: http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/c...erous-poisons/

[Lifebringer]

This code tells the elites if they have tainted or carcinogenic produce in their midst. I understand every elite nation has one that they serve others in the grocery markets and they get top choice. I saw the coding on a YT video and I believe it's been mentioned by a few whisleblowers, during the time we found out about "round-up" killing the bees. WE were identifying harmful foods and I stumbled on about 3-4 videos telling of the encircled "c" and I believe the other alphabet for them to know they have "save" foods is "k" encircled.

This symbol appears on most corporate ag produce and perhaps the encircled "c" is because it is encorporated. But that was about 4 years ago and I've dumped a lot of my video on my fave as I do every year to prevent virus attacks by holding them too long with Microsoft. In fact it might be on this page after I fond the "founder of HIV/AIDS.

Here's a trail to search the "tube" and good luck, try using the title encircled "c" products on YT and maybe it will come up, but as I said it may come up after watching a video, and then the ones after the video is played, may have held the title that made me click on it.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=CDxZ7O/x8YGI

I've dealt in the lab and viral education going through med school, this guy has so much blood/disease on his hands. Robert Gallo, probably of the Gallo's, decided to religiously pursue a way to end homosexual, or prostitutional behaviors, and eliminate those who didn't conform.

Evil at it's purest form, busted by a very good reporter/journalist, that did his homework.

PS, I call him Dr. Plague.
PSS Millions around the world effected, including a family member of mine, and this guy is still walking the planet. He's got to be their #1demonic member. Don't they rise in rank, through body/murder count?

[Lifebringer]

Maybe the "k" in your country. I've seen it in my neck of the grocery stores all the time, and I'm a fixed income person, so if you're not seeing it, perhaps you are what they consider worthy of not poisoning. Anyway, take a stroll on the more poorer sides of the town, shopping markets and scan the shelves, as if you're looking for nutritional values, and turn the label around. Now they say on these video's that it's one of the "marks" of the beast on products. Yeah, that's what I thought, until I did a little more research and found after about like 2=3-4 videos, that there was something to it and it goes to the donation charities. This made me check on tainted vaccines, which led me to Bill Gates and the depop program and agenda 21.

Lots of stuff to blow your mind and for a while I had to sit for two or three days absorbing, praying and contemplating with a more focused intent for exposure. Start with the video I just left about Robert Gallo and his "college, desertation." I think that's how its spelled where a graduating student presents something they've focused on by given assignment, where they research and then turn it in? Yep, this journalist really did his homework. I love how visibly uncomfortable this Gallo guy gets, when he's repeatedly presented with his own words, articles in the science reviews and other literature, that busts him so royally, he should have got "crowned." Just a pun LOL.

[Lifebringer]

Right below their "oops embarrassing" there is a list of light blue articles that have the title about the 3rd one on the right side two inch below the "try later."

[Lifebringer]

Are they parasite? 70 million a year die from them, and most illnesses are caused by them and their waste.
A video posed a question to me also about them and the religious depictions of what they call snakes that may very well be parasitical worms that invaded Eve's body. In the Enki story, when they slept around they got a sexually transmitted disease that caused them to die faster and no longer live long. Hmmm... just so many more pieces and so many facets to this hidden diamond treasure of knowledge. Every direction of search leads to more and more branches of the evil ones who have ruled over us with no mercy, just steady planned agenda carried out.

The "medical rabbit hole" is as heartless under Rockerfeller as Monsanto is to our natural produce.

[Lifebringer]

And who owns the copy write's artists? Ask any artist they will tell you it's the "illuminatie." The child stars that have been raped and pedophiled, like the one who whistleblowed on "The View" about 2 or three weeks ago. He wrote a book about it. Keep going you will see as others, besides, if you want to trust them, it's your choice. The copywrite are owned by the elites as well as the laws over our trade. Global distribution and charitable organizations feeding the poor what?

Monsanto, that's what. But like I said, keep searching and you will come across a few whistle blowers that will tell. There is also video of some soldiers who are under duress, because they know of the mass chip inserting agenda, and blew the whistle on that also. Our young don't and won't go along with this, they will tell us. WE should listen as they are there on the ground as Snowden was, if you know what I mean.

Too much corruption, too much harm, too many to count.
The search is there, and as I said "if I find it among my many pdf's under the agenda 21, there is a clause or two there also I believe as they describe their brances of control agencies.

Good luck and I will keep looking for them, but I only have a small pc, barely able to keep the net, and can't keep a lot of what we learn here for too long or I have to install more space, to which I simply can't afford it right now. I get rid of the stuff that is slowing my pc that I save under favorites and desktop. It was a few years ago, but I will check and see, I am in the middle of something else detrimental to my development, and it's the Sabbath this evening so I will try to get back to you before sunset or either on Sunday when I post.

[Lifebringer]

Awww poo, I've spent a great deal of time going back even 10 pages on everything from encircled "c" or "k" on products, illuminati symbols on products, international corporate "c", and there are more year or 2 year videos and barely anything going back that far. I've read the sub titles comments and was only able to find the chip insertion plan, lots of those, but I also stumbled as I always do on this one concerning admission by a "vaccine pioneer admitting he added cancer virus to it.

Here's a link and perhaps this question that I've already found knowledge on 5 years ago, will pop up somewhere as you research. It's how we all find out little pieces and I simply can't catch everyone up by holding every search tool or video for years, until those who don't know catch up. I'm sorry it's not as easily accessible as it was 5 years ago, but they've taken so many of our "little flashlights" off the net to keep people in the dark, something that important to be able to discern safe products to live, surely would have gone with the rest. But perhaps some others have spread it on their page and you too will stumble on some of the whistleblowers. hey, I didn't try that title. Whistleblower tells of true meaning of encircled 'c" or "k" illuminati symbols. the stars are telling.

Oh, here's the video of the pioneer admitting adding the cancer virus.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=13QiS...885098420D36EB

I wish you luck and if you really want to find this, ask your guide, what the heck is Lifebringer talking about as you search, perhaps they know.

Good luck in the search and remember if they do this in one product we use, they do this in all the products we use.

Love
LB

[loungelizard]

Posted by Lifebringer (here)
This code tells the elites if they have tainted or carcinogenic produce in their midst. I understand every elite nation has one that they serve others in the grocery markets and they get top choice. I saw the coding on a YT video and I believe it's been mentioned by a few whisleblowers, during the time we found out about "round-up" killing the bees. WE were identifying harmful foods and I stumbled on about 3-4 videos telling of the encircled "c" and I believe the other alphabet for them to know they have "save" foods is "k" encircled.

A symbol K on food packaging signifies that it is kosher. Simple. No conspiracy here