Chris Thomas

[onawah]

That guy would have creeped me out, even without the introduction.
He seems very parasitical to me.
I'm surprised Lilou could sit through a half hour with him--I couldn't watch the whole thing.
All those hand gestures were indicative of something hidden, though I don't know what--perhaps to distract Lilou so that she wouldn't notice he was sucking her energy.

Posted by turiya (here)

_______________________=-=_______________________

Lilou's Conversation with a 'Walk-In'...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=p06AvCwnEtA

turiya

[FireHorse]

Post #195, above...

A while back (early November 2013), Herbert posed a few questions to Chris Thomas regarding the term 'Archons'. He had received back an email from Chris & forwarded that email onto me. I wasn't certain when I would post that information, however with this posted message by you, FireHorse, it seems to be the appropriate time to present this.

Thanks, Turiya. Thanks, Herbert. Most appreciative!

~FireHorse

[turiya]

Posted by FireHorse (here)

Posted by observer (here)
*update*
Please Take Note:

To any members interested in the information I can offer from my vast databank on the subject of telepathically implanted thoughts, please refer all future comments or replies directed at me to the following thread:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ent-Disclosure

I will no longer participate in a thread where my comments are not welcomed.

Ah, man! Shame. I was really, really enjoying the Turiya-Observer exchange.

Perhaps, if he had done the research that he demands of others, this could have been fascinating.

~FireHorse

Posted by FireHorse (here)
I stumbled across this...

Post #1729

Reptilian Overlords mentioned...

This part, in particular, caught my attention:

I, as a personal preference, do not trust any species of aliens visiting this planet. I particularly DO NOT trust any form of telepathically implanted thought. The evidence is clear that there are Archons patrolling the Akashic Records for anyone doing any sort of remote viewing of these records. These Archons are there to confuse the message, which they do very well.

FireHorse,

Observer, imo, is over-reacting.
Observer knows well that he is welcome to post his comments here.
However, I have made it clear in my response back to him (with my p.s. note) that comments that have a tone of contention (i.e. with the intent to bring argument), then he may find himself ignored (especially by me).

p.s. With respect - if you want to partake in the conversation, here, then it is suggested you come up to speed, otherwise future posts that continually show a contentious cursory viewpoint may end up on the "ignore list".

This thread has been created with regards to Chris Thomas' research & material that he has found through his being 'hard-wired' connected to the Akashic from birth.

If Observer wants to challenge that, with his asserting that it is "channeled" material & that the 'Archons' are behind causing problems of clarity with that information, well, he can do that in a thread of his own creation... As, Chris Thomas, discounts (in a subsequent email to Herbert) the "belief" that many people have in 'believing" that Archons exist. Many may find themselves at a loss when it comes to 'who' they can blame for their own unwillingness to 'grow-up' & take on responsibility for the situations that they have created for themselves. As Chris has made it clear:

I didn’t write about the Archons as they do not exist.

I am sorry if this disappoints. But what Observer calls "hard-physical evidence" is, in my view, a form of mass collective hypnosis, forming a "collective belief", and is in no way can it be construed as being "hard physical evidence". Many people "believe" that they have to pay so-called "income taxes". 'Belief' often times trumps true reality in many many ways. There is "hard physical evidence" that can be found with regard to that notion regarding 'income' taxation.

Chris Thomas has confirmed that the sightings of Reptilians in human form are / and have been due to the presence of Fourteenth Faction energies. Those energies no longer having a dominant influence over the people of planet Earth at this time (according to Chris Thomas). The following taken from post #112:

Robert Stanley: Yes, its further evidence of what you’ve just stated, about the influence of the Fourteenth Faction is waning, right?

Chris Thomas: Very much so. It’s virtually gone, not entirely, but its virtually gone. You know, you’ve got a lot of the industrial heads, and politicians & some monarchs still trying to make use of that energy… And, to a certain extent people are so used, so accustomed, to being pushed into a direction, that they go along with it. A growing number of people are recognizing that those energy patterns no longer exist, and therefore they can push back. And this is what we’re seeing, a massive move in that direction.

REPTILIAN IMAGE SOURCE

Though, in terms of Reptilian races & Reptiles in Human form, they no longer exist – all those energy patterns are gone. And, you know… I mean… this is going to make me sound more mad, but I can confirm David Icke’s observation – the Queen Mother had Reptilian energies. I have no doubt of that.

[turiya]

Posted by onawah (here)
That guy would have creeped me out, even without the introduction.
He seems very parasitical to me.
I'm surprised Lilou could sit through a half hour with him--I couldn't watch the whole thing.
All those hand gestures were indicative of something hidden, though I don't know what--perhaps to distract Lilou so that she wouldn't notice he was sucking her energy.

Posted by turiya (here)

_______________________=-=_______________________

Lilou's Conversation with a 'Walk-In'...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=p06AvCwnEtA

turiya

From your response, onawah, I take it that you did not go onto Part 2/2 Conversation with a Walk-In (another 25 minutes). Also wonder if you hung out long enough on part 1 (10:28) to hear his tribute to those of your True Family: Yeshua, Senanda, Francis, Sri Aurobindo, Mary Magdalene, the main players of the 'True Family' of the Guidance Realms, Angelic Presence, Arch-Angelic Realms, the Ascended Host realms...

When he went into listing the 'Ascended Masters', this, kind of sealed it for me...
at least, knowingly or unknowingly, acting as an agent of the Velon, if not a Walk-In Velon entity, himself...


turiya

[onawah]

Turiya, I assume what you mean by this: "your True Family: Yeshua, Senanda, Francis, Sri Aurobindo, Mary, Magdalene, the main players of the 'True Family' of the Guidance Realms, Angelic Presence, Arch-Angelic Realms, the Ascended Host realms..." is not the real souls of those entities, insofar as they do actually exist, but ETs masquerading as those entities for their own nefarious purposes.

I watched a minute or two at the end of part 2 just to see how Lilou was doing by that time (she looked pretty unnerved to me by then), but when someone creeps me out as much as that guy does, I don't care to watch anymore than I have to.

Just thinking about what it would feel like to be touched by him makes my skin crawl.

[turiya]

Posted by onawah (here)
Turiya, I assume what you mean by this: "your True Family: Yeshua, Senanda, Francis, Sri Aurobindo, Mary, Magdalene, the main players of the 'True Family' of the Guidance Realms, Angelic Presence, Arch-Angelic Realms, the Ascended Host realms..." is not the real souls of those entities, insofar as they do actually exist, but ETs masquerading as those entities for their own nefarious purposes.

I watched a minute or two at the end of part 2 just to see how Lilou was doing by that time (she looked pretty unnerved to me by then), but when someone creeps me out as much as that guy does, I don't care to watch anymore than I have to.

Just thinking about what it would feel like to be touched by him makes my skin crawl.

Yes, that is correct, onawah - these are the entities that the Velon are masquerading as. There are numerous people that seem to be channeling information from several entities that claim to be these "Ascended Master" teachers. I have a couple of clients that go to weekend gatherings on the West Coast twice a year. I also meet them upon their return to take them back home. During the trip back they tell me alot of what went on & what & who was being channeled. They have suggested to me to check out Akasha Online to see what its about. Its called the 'Radiant Rose Academy' (this is only one out of hundreds (if not thousands) of various groups that are into this kind of stuff (imo)).

My clients have talked about the medium(s) channeling of St Germain, Arch-Angel Michael, Mary Magdalene, & one time I remember there was some information regarding George Washington that was said (can't quite remember what that was)... mmmm...

"George Washington, whose elevation to the status of 'god' is recorded
on a frieze in the Rotunda in Washington DC"

I have for sometime had no judgment about what they were into - just filed what they had to say in the back of the mind... But, some time later, I realized that this was what Chris Thomas had been writing about.

There is quite a bit about this that has been written by Chris that I posted in Post #81 & Post #82 titled Inter-Galactic War Part1 & Part2. I will repost part of it below. In that Part1, Chris also writes a little bit about the Archons... of which FireHorse, and others, have expressed interest in what Chris Thomas' has come to find on that particular subject matter.

In Part1 Chris writes:

**The Jjundaa**

When the Velon craft screeched to a halt just outside of our solar system about 300 years ago, the consciousness that forms the Velon system, Velus, took over the control of a newly formed organisation we know as the Illuminati (see Project Human Extinction).

In order to maintain Velus’s hold over the Illuminati, and their families, Velus decided to bring with him six “emissaries”. These emissaries were members of the Jjundaa. The Earth’s Guardians have removed five of these emissaries from the Earth in the intervening time period but one remains – the 6th emissary.

At the end of 2008, an attempt was made by a group of politicians to take over control of the Illuminati. On the face of it, they were successful as the original members of the Illuminati are all dead (see Project Human Extinction) and so the “new” Illuminati believe that they have taken over total control of this organisation and its web of power.

Except, they have forgotten about the 6th emissary who had assisted them in their coupe to remove the original members. Although the new controllers of the Illuminati (made up of ex-politicians and industrialists) believe that they are in total control, they have not realised that the 6th emissary is channeling directions to them – a form of direct mind control. And so the Velon (Jjundaa) remain in total control of the Illuminati.

**The Johnaan**

When the Velon first arrived at our solar system, the Johnaan took a long hard look at who and what humans are and how we functioned on our planet.

The Annunaki and the Jjundaa acted very quickly putting their plans together and set out to fulfill those aims as rapidly as possible. The Johnaan sat back, seemingly unconcerned about their own plans and even helped some of the other Velon factions advance their plans, particularly the Oa and Mila.

Gradually though, the Johnaan began to make moves. They had seen the successes the Annunaki had had with their channeling works with Madame Blavatsky and Edgar Cayce and so began to put together stories that could be channeled to humans that, in many cases, reflected our religious beliefs. Additionally, they had seen the Oa begin to channel material that reflected their “alien” origins with great success.

So the Johnaan began with stories of wars that had occurred in the galaxies around Earth and that the Earth had been affected by these wars – sometimes directly, sometimes indirectly. Eventually, after trying out numerous committees and councils, they came up with the idea of The Galactic Federation of Light (GFOL). Along with the GFOL came the concept of having to leave the Earth by “Ascending” to a “5th dimension”.

By linking the words “Ascension” and “5th dimension” together, it seemed to link science and religion together into one “higher” concept that only an “alien” race, who had themselves undergone a process of “ascension to a state of perfection”, could understand – very exotic and very appealing to gullible humans. We then, of course, had the likes of Ashtar Command, the “hospital” ship Neptune as well as numerous other councils and individuals.

But then the Johnaan hit the jackpot – they began to re-invent religious-like characters taken from ancient human texts but giving them a new “spin”.

It is not surprising that the Velon took a religion-based approach when attempting to mislead humans; after all, the division of their race into factions was along religious lines. Given that humans were also divided into various religious followings, it seemed, to the Velon, an obvious route to take.

So they began with “St Germain”.

St Germain, although an historic character, is difficult to track down in any kind of reality that makes sense, as there are too many versions of St Germain’s story. I did come across some channeled material on him about 20 years ago but this turned out to be a major financial scam as well as the usual channeled rubbish.

Then we had “Metatron”. Metatron is an Old Testament character who was described either as an angel or an arch- angel who was the “scribe of God”. In other words, whatever God said, Metatron wrote down – in The Old Testament, he was also called “The Voice of God”. Another version of Metatron is that he was originally Enoch (of the Book or Keys of Enoch) who was taken to heaven by God.

In the hands of the Johnaan, Metatron became an “ascended master”, “Lord Metatron” and then an “arch angel” but, as far as I am aware, he hasn’t been mentioned for a little while in their channeled messages. Sananda then appeared alongside Metatron. Over the years, “he” also went through various metamorphoses: Sananda, Ascended Master Sananda, Lord Sananda, Arch Angel Sananda but now seems to have become the reincarnation of just about every single religious leader that has ever lived on Earth - especially “The Christ Consciousness”.

How can a single person undergo so many changes of form and identity and still be believed by humans to be whatever character the Johnaan want to portray him as?

Note:
Originally, there was a sect of Hinduism practiced in the Odisha (Orissa) State in India. This sect had its roots in Ancient Sumeria and used the Sanskrit language and called itself “Sananda”. This Sananda Hindu sect fits in with the Annunaki story.

In their story, the Annunaki dictated their fantasy story to a Sumerian scribe and then travelled north to India, eventually settling in Tibet where, in more recent times, they began channeling to Madame Blavatsky. Along the way, various groups of the Sumerian travellers settled in various places, many in a number of Indian States.

These groups took with them the Ayurvedic teachings of the Sumerians and eventually became the Hindu. The next manifestation of Sananda was that he was the “Christ Consciousness” arrived back to Earth to lead us through our “Ascension”.

But now, Sananda has gone underground and begat a new persona.

So far, I have found claims of a race who call themselves “Agartha” who are led by “Adama of Telos” what may or not be Sananda but, anyway, the Agarthans claim to be Ascended Masters of Sirian origin (star system Sirius) who have formed the Lemurian Council who work with an ancient priesthood led by Zeniel (who may or may not be Sananda) who also claims to be Melchizedek.

These Agarthans (or sometimes Archons – see below) have been on Earth since the time of Lemuria. They had a big battle with the “evil” Atlanteans and buried Lemuria deep under the Earth where they have remained ever since in a 5th dimensional space made up of ice and snow.

If Sananda is confused about who he claims to be then it is not surprising – I certainly am confused about who “he” is supposed to be and I don’t span countless dimensions or time frames that “he” claims to never mind about all of the religious belief systems. Life must be tough being a “god”!

There also seems to be a great deal of confusion about those who live in “the Hollow Earth”. Are they Argarthens? Are they Archons? Are they “Ascended Lemurians” who themselves claim to be “Ascended Sirians” or are they an ancient priesthood who are followers of Melchizedek?
Buggered if I can work it out.

All I do know is that there were beings known as “Archons” who were, what could be described as, “companion beings” to the 14th Faction. Like all things connected with the 14th Faction, they have been totally eradicated from this Universe so they definitely do not live underground in a “Hollow Earth” even if there was a “Hollow Earth” to exist in.

Note: There is no “Hollow Earth”. There are deep cave systems that connect into a layer that is about 3 km below the surface. This layer is where molten magma from the earth’s core spreads out before erupting through volcanoes. As the volcano finishes erupting, the magma withdraws leaving huge cave and tunnel systems. This layer is called the Mohorvicic layer.

There is some truth about beings from Atlantis going to live in this layer at the end of Atlantis. It is also true that they lived there for a very long time but these lost souls were helped back to their places of soul origin by the year 2000 and so, apart from the occasional creepy crawly, the Mohorvicic layer is empty of life.

Incidentally, the idea of beings living in a hollow Earth is based on a Dr Who episode aired on the BBC about 3 years ago. Since that episode was aired, the stories of beings living in a hollow Earth has gone berserk. Several of the themes of the original Star Trek TV series have also found their way into channeled messages. The newest one I came across was about Venusians but firmly based on the storyline of the 1951 classic sci-fi movie “The Day the Earth Stood Still”.

What’s next I wonder? Perhaps Sananda becomes the high priest of Z’ha’dum from the TV series “Babylon 5”. But, literally as I was writing this section, a friend sent me the newest summary of the Sananda - Kumara family “blood-line”:

The family originally came from Venus. “His” father was called Sanat, his mother’s name is unlisted, their son (Sananda) is Jesus/Jeshua Sananda. There is also Sanaka Kumara who is also St Germain (and also claims to be Merlin). Also Sanatana Kumara who is Arch Angel Michael but is also really Lord Melchizedek.
Nothing like keeping it in the family.

Sananda seems to be trying to build “his” own pantheon of “gods” but it has become much more of a “Greek Tragedy” from Mount Olympus and the joke is on the humans who follow “him”.

AND STILL PEOPLE FALL FOR THIS CHANNELED RUBBISH!
(and I don’t mean TV channels!)

SOURCE

turiya

[onawah]

Yes, I know, Turiya, it's beyond me too how people can be so gullible.
I don't know what it will take to wake up those people--they are so deeply hypnotized, but I'm sure it will happen, bit by bit.
What keeps me much more occupied is the process of trying to sort out the truth from the distorted information from other sincere sources like whistleblowers, Contactees, etc. who certainly get a lot right, but usually don't get it all right, for whatever reason, whether the information is interfered with or the sources themselves are interfered with, or whatever.
For me, this means a slow process of a lot of reading, comparing, sifting and sorting, and seeing what feels right.
And sometimes what I think is right today will change tomorrow because of a new piece of the puzzle.
I appreciate Chris Thomas's views.
Although I don't know that I necessarily agree with all he says, it's good to have new perspectives and possibilities to consider.
I'm doing the same with what Simon Parkes has been sharing with us, and so I still haven't been able to catch up with all the re-reading I've committed myself to do on this thread, but still hope to do that soon.
But as for now, any details you can share on the Founding Fathers would be of interest and much appreciated.
Do you know if Chris is reading this thread, or Simon's by any chance?
Thanks to you and Herbert especially for keeping this thread interesting.

[OnyxKnight]

Chris Tomas' main problem here is the mention of Akashic Records. His take on the information there is different from others who have accessed those records. He should have left them out of his story.

[Kalamos]

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[turiya]

Posted by onawah (here)
Yes, I know, Turiya, it's beyond me too how people can be so gullible.
I don't know what it will take to wake up those people--they are so deeply hypnotized, but I'm sure it will happen, bit by bit.
What keeps me much more occupied is the process of trying to sort out the truth from the distorted information from other sincere sources like whistleblowers, Contactees, etc. who certainly get a lot right, but usually don't get it all right, for whatever reason, whether the information is interfered with or the sources themselves are interfered with, or whatever.
For me, this means a slow process of a lot of reading, comparing, sifting and sorting, and seeing what feels right.
And sometimes what I think is right today will change tomorrow because of a new piece of the puzzle.
I appreciate Chris Thomas's views.
Although I don't know that I necessarily agree with all he says, it's good to have new perspectives and possibilities to consider.
I'm doing the same with what Simon Parkes has been sharing with us, and so I still haven't been able to catch up with all the re-reading I've committed myself to do on this thread, but still hope to do that soon.
But as for now, any details you can share on the Founding Fathers would be of interest and much appreciated.
Do you know if Chris is reading this thread, or Simon's by any chance?
Thanks to you and Herbert especially for keeping this thread interesting.

Hi onawah

The basic thing to focus on is not what is being said out there by others.
I am sure you are familiar with the commonly spoken quote by Special Agent Fox Mulder, the main character in the X-files television series... Mulder has continuously said in episode after episode: "The Truth is Out There"

"The Truth is Out There"

The fact of the matter is that the truth is not to be found "out there", but rather, it is found not 'out there' but 'in there'... it is found within... within oneself.

If you go looking for truth in the outside world, you will be moving further & further away from yourself... moving further & further away, into getting more & more lost in the world-at-large. Since childhood this is what we have all been programmed to do, been conditioned to do... and continuously keep doing - which is: to become someone other than who we are.

From the very get-go, we are implanted with the notion that we need to become a "somebody", and we need to go "somewhere" else in order to accomplish that, one has to become "educated". One should become a doctor, a lawyer, a movie actor/actress, a politician - one has to become a "someone", one has to become a "somebody", and ever since then, we began moving away from ourselves. And by doing so, we have become more & more lost into the world 'out there', and not any closer to finding truth within.

Chris Thomas' most central message here is found in the 'Give-Away'. It is a method of cleansing one's own body-mind of emotional garbage that causes blockages, dis-ease & obscures one's ability to clearly see, feel & access the truth for oneself. Its about coming back home and cleaning up one's own house... tend to one's own garden.

As I said before, this thread is only meant as a terminal, as in a bus stop, or train station, or a terminal at an airport. The journey doesn't end at a train station. It only serves as a transition point. One continues their individual journey from this point by going beyond the bus station. Or, perhaps, better said, the real journey begins when one starts going in. That is where the real treasure is to be found. It is like a buried treasure. It lies within each one of us. It is just covered over by all the information & borrowed knowledge that is gathered from the outside world. It is accumulated & stored within one's mind intellect. This is what creates what people have referred to as the "thin veil". It buffers one from seeing the truth... from reconnecting with one's own innate innocence... from accessing one's own source of true intelligence.

Outside information, collected borrowed knowledge, may provide for an interesting drama, may provide an intriguing picture to look at & contemplate over, may catch one's attention for the moment, to distract one away from the day to day monotony of one's life. But that is all it will ever do... it only serves as a distraction, it keeps one distracted from engaging with one's own self.

The truth is not out there. The truth is found within.
In fact, it is better to say:

When you come to the point of not looking for truth, truth will find you.

Prepare & clean your house as if for the arrival of a guest. When you have done your work, the guest will arrive when you least expect it. The truth will arrive when the house is made ready.

cheers
turiya

[turiya]

Thanks for checking out the thread, Calamus & OnyxKnight.

I can only say, if what you find here doesn't resonate, then just move along, nothing more need be said.
Good day.

Cheers - turiya

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by turiya (here)
Thanks for checking out the thread, Calamus & OnyxKnight.

I can only say, if what you find here doesn't resonate, then just move along, nothing more need be said.
Good day.

Cheers - turiya

You could have specified that this thread is only for fans and supporters to discuss. I wouldn't have bothered to comment at all if that were the case. Maybe you could ask a mod to inform people of that in the thread title or the original first post. Because this way its misleading.

[Kalamos]

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[onawah]

Turiya, I've been "cleaning house" since I was in my 20s and I'm in my 60s now.
It is my natural inclination to be a Contemplative.
Yet I think that study and looking for the truth about who we are, our history, our present reality and our future as a race on this planet is much more than just a distraction, it's a valuable service not only to one's self, but to others.
I've met lots of people who have basically turned their backs on the world to lead lives on contemplation (I've done it myself) and I think it is too limiting a way to live for me now.
In any case, in this holographic universe, who we all really are is One being, so learning about the world and others and what they understand to be true is not really going that far afield, and can provide good food for thought and reflection and learning discernment.

[turiya]

Posted by onawah (here)
Turiya, I've been "cleaning house" since I was in my 20s and I'm in my 60s now.
It is my natural inclination to be a Contemplative.
Yet I think that study and looking for the truth about who we are, our history, our present reality and our future as a race on this planet is much more than just a distraction, it's a valuable service not only to one's self, but to others.
I've met lots of people who have basically turned their backs on the world to lead lives on contemplation (I've done it myself) and I think it is too limiting a way to live for me now.
In any case, in this holographic universe, who we all really are is One being, so learning about the world and others and what they understand to be true is not really going that far afield, and can provide good food for thought and reflection and learning discernment.

Then, onawah, don't listen to me, as I am just another "someone" that is saying "something".
From my own experience, it seems that you have not yet come to the point of having enough of the outside world. The drama is still intriguing. You still see that the outside world holds the treasure that you seek.
Please carry on with your chosen path. When the time is right, you will come to see & understand what I am saying.

The misery found in the outside world provides the perfect backdrop for one to turn one's attention away from it & to begin to travel inward... to where the real treasure is to be found.

Best regards
turiya

[onawah]

Well, thanks for your permission, Turiya, and for your advice, however unsought or unnecessary...
Perhaps you have something yet to learn as well...

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by onawah (here)
Well, thanks for your permission, Turiya, and for your advice, however unsought or unnecessary...
Perhaps you have something yet to learn as well...

You dare doubt the power of a guru? :D

[turiya]

Posted by turiya (here)

"The Truth is Out There"

The fact of the matter is that the truth is not to be found "out there",
but rather, it is found "in there"... within oneself.

"The possibility of realization is predetermined.
The possibility of the beautiful moments of your life – getting clarity, restful awareness, falling back & receiving the inspiration is predetermined in your life. That cannot be changed.

Only the possibility of delusion is your freedom.
Again, celebrate because it is your freedom, you can always stop the delusion.

What a beautiful existence.
Just make this into your reality... make this into your reality.

Future has two possibilities:

1) The possibility of falling back into the wisdom – enlightenment.
Restful awareness – that is predetermined, that is the extension of the past, that is programmed.
2) Only the possibility of delusion… is your freedom."

You don't need to have my permission...
Each of us has the Freedom to enjoy our delusions.

POSTED by turiya

[OnyxKnight]

Your subjective definition of delusion is irrelevant here. What matters is, this permission you speak of. In which case, I slave not in the mental prison you propose. I'd rather be free (in whatever form you find me free in) .

[turiya]

I will take your comment as a "bump" - thank you for that.

cheers - turiya