The HMS Hawke, Naval Ramming, Submarine Technology, and the RMS Titanic Disaster

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Another user's amazing thread (DNA's "What is your craziest conspiracy") and today's date (Dec 7, the date that Pearl Harbor was messed up) compelled me to address a potential theory regarding what really happened to RMS Titanic and her sister ships.

As with many major economic and social disasters, not everyone buys the "official story" -- there were many strange circumstances surrounding the ship's demise -- and links to events experienced by her sister ships, the RMS Olympic and HMHS Britannic, raise more questions than they answer (unless you are into conspiracies).

Two years ago, on my silly blog (which was recently abandoned for a year due to fraudulent copyright claims attributed to ATS), I came up with the idea that RMS Titanic may well have been struck by another vessel, rather than the popular iceberg of the tall tales. At this time I had not read about RMS Olympic being rammed by a British warship called the HMS Hawke, nor was I even aware of the latter vessel's existence (silly me)!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Oly...awke_collision

Olympic's first major mishap occurred on her fifth voyage on 20 September 1911, when she collided with a British warship, HMS Hawke off the Isle of Wight. The collision took place as Olympic and Hawke were running parallel to each other through the Solent. As Olympic turned to starboard, the wide radius of her turn took the commander of the Hawke by surprise, and he was unable to take sufficient avoiding action.[29] The Hawke's bow, which had been designed to sink ships by ramming them, collided with Olympic's starboard side near the stern, tearing two large holes in Olympic's hull, below and above the waterline respectively, resulting in the flooding of two of her watertight compartments and a twisted propeller shaft. HMS Hawke suffered severe damage to her bow and nearly capsized. Despite this, Olympic was able to return to Southampton under her own power, and no-one was seriously injured or killed.[14][30]

I recall reading, in late 2010 or early 2011, that the moon was not visible on the night of 15 April 1912.

“It was a dark night as well, with no moonlight... And the lookouts had no binoculars; the only pair was left back at Southampton.” Lookout Reginald Fleet. (Testimony at US Senate Inquiry investigation of "The Wreck of the steamship Titanic.")

This led me to wonder how people saw an iceberg in the first place. Then on another website, there was an account of passengers having seen "black ice" rather than a tall white iceberg.

Frederick Fleet, the lookout for The Titanic who spotted the iceberg and alerted the rest of the crew, spoke of a black iceberg in his testimony to the United States Senate Inquiry.

The fact that the HMS Hawke even existed, and had collided with Titanic's sister ship only months before April 15, 1912, should raise eyebrows when people closely examine the above statements. LOL, or open eyes, I should say.

Google Books: ""hms hawke" ramming prow"



RMS OLYMPIC- THE OLD RELIABLE EVALUATED

http://travelswithanthony.wordpress.com/tag/hms-hawke/

But, even before the Titanic disaster, the Olympic had been rammed by a Royal Navy cruiser, the HMS Hawke, An eighty foot gash had been torn in her hull. Ironically, her survival of this damage went a long way towards affirming the so called ‘unsinkability’ of the Titanic- with disastrous results the following year.

As you absorb these details, you see that the official story becomes increasingly suspect.

http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org...-1911-a-3.html

SOUTHAMPTON, Sept. 20---The White Star liner Olympic, bound for New York,
was run down and badly damaged in the Solent off Cowes, Isle of Wight,
today, by the British protected cruiser Hawke. Water rushed into the hold of
the Olympic through such a big hole in her starboard quarter and Capt.Smith
headed her for Osborne Bay with the intention of beaching her on a mud bank.

The cellular bulkheads held the water in the compartments immediately
affected by the collision and Capt. Smith found the expedient of beaching
the largest steamship afloat unnecessary. He brought his vessel back to
Southampton and unloaded upon the already congested avenues of transatlantic
travel the biggest boatload of passengers that ever embarked on a steamship.

The Hawke was badly damaged in the collision, but stood by until it was seen
that the Olympic was safe. Then she proceeded to the naval station at
Portsmouth under her own steam.

The "Naval Ram" is apparently the appropriate term for the weapon that may have compromised Titanic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_r...ntieth_century

Twentieth century[edit]
During both world wars, there were several occasions when surfaced submarines were rammed and sunk by surface ships. If successful, such an attack could cut the submarine in two, such as the 1914 sinking of U-15 by HMS Birmingham. The only battleship-over-submarine victory in history occurred during World War I, when the battleship HMS Dreadnought rammed and sank a German U-boat. U-boats were strongly built to resist water pressure at depth so the ramming ship could be badly damaged by the attack. This happened to HMS Fairy, which foundered in 1918, after sinking the U-boat UC-75. In March 1943, the destroyer HMS Harvester (H19) was badly damaged after ramming German submarine U-444. She was sunk by another U-boat the next day as she sat helpless, without working engines.[15]

Ramming attacks during the Second World War included the ramming of U405 by USS Borie. The U-boat was not critically damaged and there followed a small-arms battle between the vessels as they were locked together and the U-boat was too close for Borie to bring her main guns to bear. The submarine eventually sank but Borie was too badly damaged by the ramming to be salvaged, so she was abandoned and deliberately sunk by Allied forces.

Other submarines sunk by ramming included U-100, U-224, U-655,[16] the Italian submarines Tembien[17] and Cobalto,[18] and the Royal Navy submarine HMS Cachalot.

As ramming was the only weapon available to unarmed merchant ships, there were occasions when they attempted to ram U-boats. In 1915, SS Brussels attempted, but failed, to ram U-33. Her captain, Charles Fryatt, was captured by the Germans a year later. He was court-martialled and executed as they considered his act to be that of a franc-tireur. The French steamer Molière sank the U-boat UC-36 in 1917.[19] In May 1918 SM UC-78 was sunk by the steamer Queen Alexandra,[20] and RMS Olympic rammed and sank U-103.[21]

During World War 2, U-46 was struck by the British tanker, SS Ensis. The submarine survived the ramming but had to return to port for repair.[22]

Naval rams have also been used on civilian vessels. The Seattle fireboat Duwamish, built in 1909, was designed to ram wooden vessels, as a last resort.[23]

So. It was mainstream in 1909 (in Seattle) for firemen to possess a boat with ramming capabilities. You guys already know my opinion of Seattle firemen, lol. From my other conspiracy threads. Heh.

But indeed, naval ramming dates back at least to ancient Greek times, and maybe even earlier. It was rumored that Archimedes could burn the sail of an incoming ship using only a system of mirrors and lenses! Is it not conceivable that in the 20th century, even in the early decades, humans possessed the capability of equipping a vessel with a ram sufficient to disable even the mightiest of ships -- including the "unsinkable" Titanic.

A user in DNA's thread wisely referred to the deaths of at least 3 important men who opposed the establishment of the Federal Reserve Bank in conjunction with the Titanic disaster. I mentioned that Nicola Tesla's chief financier, John Jacob Astor, went down on the ship. It was Tesla who first thought of remote-controlled submarine vehicles, and indeed conceived of radio controlled vehicles. Jules Verne, who was writing science fiction some forty years prior, referred to submarines powered by electricity. It is not beyond the scope of rationale that the watchman saw a submarine rise up from the sea and strike the vulnerable Titanic.

John Jacob "Jack" Astor IV (July 13, 1864 – April 15, 1912), often dubbed "Jack Ass",[1] was an American businessman, real estate builder, investor, inventor, writer, lieutenant colonel in the Spanish-American War, and a prominent member of the Astor family. In April 1912, Astor earned a prominent place in history when he embarked on the ocean liner RMS Titanic, which hit an iceberg four days into its voyage and sank in the early hours of April 15. Astor was among the 1,514 people on board who did not survive. He was the richest passenger aboard the Titanic, and was thought to be among the richest people in the world at that time.

In memory of those souls lost aboard Titanic, and those lost at Pearl Harbor years ago, I wanted to put this story out there for those who care to read it.

Not to mention, 100 years after Titanic settled into her watery grave, the US tried to pass a law forbidding intrusion into the Titanic wreckage. That means researchers who want to check out the U-Boat and Naval Ramming theories won't have the opportunity to do so.

Save Our Ship: Titanic Bill Seeks to Protect 'Hallowed Ground'
One hundred years after the Titanic sunk, a Senate bill looks to keep the famous ship intact

By BRIAN GREENE
April 13, 2012 RSS Feed Print
This weekend marks the 100th anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic, one of the worst maritime disasters in history. Over 1,500 people died after the ship—which had been designed to be unsinkable—hit an iceberg off Newfoundland and sank to the bottom of the North Atlantic.

[See pictures of a cruise commemorating the Titanic's voyage.]

But ever since the wreck was found in 1985, no one has figured out a way to protect the site.

The Titanic rests in international waters, leaving it in a grey legislative area since no country can claim full responsibility for it. Looting of the site has become an issue since Robert Ballard and his team discovered the wreck, with privately-funded teams taking paying customers down to the wreck in mini submersibles. Now, American lawmakers want to step in to protect the site.

The R.M.S. Titanic Maritime Memorial Preservation Act of 2012, introduced in the Senate by Massachusetts Democratic Sen. John Kerry and Georgia Republican Sen. John Isakson is aimed at updating protection of what they consider to be a maritime memorial and grave site of unique historical significance.

According to an official statement from Kerry, the bill would expand on 1986 legislation protecting the Titanic by giving the Department of Commerce authority to defend the wreck site from salvage and intrusive research.

"It's hallowed ground, not just some underwater area to be poked at or damaged for commercial reasons," Kerry said in the statement. "This bill provides the authority necessary to help ensure the site of the Titanic is kept intact."

The proposal also recommends the establishment of a Titanic-specific advisory council to conduct regular research on what to do about problems facing the site.

I have to run for now.

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[aranuk]

Hi Tess, thank you for a great post done by you in a very professional way BTW. What struck me was that Kerry is involved in protecting research saying, "It's hallowed ground, not just some underwater area to be poked at or damaged for commercial reasons," and at the same time vilifying commercial interests. Hmmm....... I'm suspicious when some politician who is known to be an enemy of the people and a friend of commercial interests starts talking in contradictory way on any subject.

Has he had a turn of conscience or is there some other thing he wants to protect? Like the Federal Reserve?

Stan

[mosquito]

Interesting and thought provoking.

I'm also impressed by your research and presentation, you have quite a gift there,, maybe you could make use of it somehow !!

[Hervé]

Posted by aranuk (here)
Hi Tess, thank you for a great post done by you in a very professional way BTW. What struck me was that Kerry is involved in protecting research saying, "It's hallowed ground, not just some underwater area to be poked at or damaged for commercial reasons," and at the same time vilifying commercial interests. Hmmm....... I'm suspicious when some politician who is known to be an enemy of the people and a friend of commercial interests starts talking in contradictory way on any subject.

Has he had a turn of conscience or is there some other thing he wants to protect? Like the Federal Reserve?

Stan

Not contradictory when one takes the view point of "hallowed ground" in the sense of "Sacrificial site" as in satanic ritual... that's one way to look at it...

Another way to look at it is that of preventing commercial enterprises from finding inconvenient evidences...

[Tommy]

Very interesting article, thanks

A lot of this is new information too me, previously I was leaning towards the insurance fraud theory (involving Olympic being the ship that sank due too Titanic not getting finished in time and/or because of financial issues), but I found some holes in those theories which made be unable to put the case to rest.

Thanks for providing a new angle to research!

All the best,

Tommy

[Soulboy]

Very interesting and VERY WELL researched. Well done, Madame! Hats off to you for this and many other things you've posted in the past. I always know before opening your posts that they are long, full of information and well-researched. Excellent and I agree with the other poster. You should put that talent of yours to good use and make a living off it

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Thanks to all for the wonderful support -- a thread like this always seems shorter to read than the author intended, but I was trying to submit it by midnight and missed by a few minutes.

It could have used more pictures, for sure -- but when I read the personal accounts of Titanic and the "ice", it painted a pretty clear picture for me:

They never saw the iceberg that the newspapers popularized:

How large was the iceberg that sank the Titanic?

The exact size of the iceberg will probably never be known, but according to early newspaper reports the height and length of the iceberg was approximated at 50 to 100 feet high and 200 to 400 feet long.

Read more: How large was the iceberg that sank the Titanic? | Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A07816...#ixzz2n0UNb6Ui

also:

http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org...esurfaced.html

2. Eye-witness reports

A few days after the tragedy the Senate Investigation Committee convened in New York to discover the details of exactly what happened. One after another, witnesses were asked to describe what happened during the collision. Most of them had been asleep at the time and only very few had actually seen the iceberg. The fateful collision itself lasted only a few seconds and, what is more, it was a black, moonless night. So the descriptions of the iceberg were all very different from each other. It was Frederick Fleet, the lookout positioned in the crow’s nest at the foremast who caught sight of the iceberg first and, therefore, had the best view of it, but he failed miserably when he was asked to describe it to the investigation committee. He was unable to provide satisfactory answers to the majority of Senator Smith’s questions: 7

Smith: "How long before the collision or accident did you report ‘Ice ahead’?"

Fleet: "I have no idea."

Smith: "About how long?"

Fleet: "I could not say at the rate she was going."

Smith: "How fast was she going?"

Fleet: "I have no idea."

(...)

Smith: "How large an object was this when you first saw it?"

Fleet: "It was not very large when I first saw it."

Smith: "How large was it?"

Fleet: "I have no idea of distances or spaces."

Smith: "Was it the size of an ordinary house? Was it as large as this room appears to be?"

Fleet: "No, no. It did not appear very large at all."

Smith :"Was it as large as the table at which I am sitting?"

Fleet: "It would be as large as those two tables put together when I saw it at first." 8

This last answer partly is still being misinterpreted today. First of all, what Fleet says is usually held to be his own description but, in fact, the idea of comparing it with the size of a table was suggested to him by Senator Smith; the words were more or less put into his mouth. And the second misinterpretation which persists is that the quotation has always been understood as if Fleet, when he spoke of "two tables put together", was describing the shape of the iceberg. In fact, the sailor was referring to the apparent size of the iceberg. Fleet said absolutely nothing about its shape.

Senator Smith wanted to know the exact size of the iceberg and persevered:

Smith: "How large did it get to be, finally when it struck the ship?"

Fleet: "When we were alongside, it was a little bit higher than the forecastle head."

Smith: "The forecastle head is how high above the water line?"

Fleet: "50 feet I should say."

Smith: "So that black mass, when it finally struck the ship, turned out to be about 50 feet above the water?"

Fleet: "About 50 or 60."

Some others also saw the iceberg go by and described their impressions to the investigation committee. Joseph G. Boxhall, the Fourth Officer on the Titanic was questioned by Senator Smith:

Smith: "Did you see it? (i.e.: the iceberg)"

Boxhall: "I was not very sure of seeing it. It seemed to me to be just a small black mass rising not very high out of the water, just a little at the starboard quarter."

Smith: "How far do you think, should you judge? (...) Did it extend up to B deck?"

Boxhall: "Oh no; the ship was past it then. It looked to me to be very, very low in the water."

Smith: "How far do you think it was above the water?(...) Above the ship’s rail?"

Boxhall: "No."

Smith: "And how far was this rail above the water´s edge?"

Boxhall: "Probably about 30 feet."

One remarkable account was given to the British Commission. Titanic seaman Joseph Scarrott had seen the iceberg in that fateful night:

Mr. Butler Aspinall: " What was the shape of this iceberg?"

Scarrott: " Well, it struck me at the time that it resembled the Rock of Gibraltar looking at it from Europa Point. It looked very much the same shape as that, only much smaller."

The Commissioner: "Like a lion couchant?"

Scarrott: "As you approach Gibraltar - it seemed that shape. The highest point would be on my right, as it appeared to me."

Scarrott first described the view as from the "Europa Point". But the commissioner asked for another point of view - the "lion couchant". The widely known shape of the Rock of Gibraltar (with the highest point on the left side) usually was compared with a "lion couchant". It is the view that ships get right after they have entered the Bay of Gibraltar heading for the harbour. It is remarkable that Scarrott resembled the Rock with the highest point on the right side. That means: Scarrott saw an iceberg that looked like the Rock but inverted. Fortunately the steamer Bremen had the same position to the iceberg as the Titanic has had some days before: so Rehorek took his iceberg picture from the same point of view as the eye-witness Scarrott has had on board the Titanic a few seconds after the collision. For this reason we can create a direct comparison between both views: the shape of the Rock (as to be seen as a "lion couchant" from the Bay) and the shape of the iceberg. Indeed the Rehorek iceberg matches the Rock - with the highest point on the right side, as Scarrott has said.

crew locked the poor into belowdecks:

As the half-filled boats rowed away from the ship, they were too far for other passengers to reach, and most lifeboats did not return toward the wreck, due to protests from passengers or crewmen to avoid being swamped by drowning victims. Two lifeboats returned to pull survivors from the water, but some of those later died. The RMS Carpathia did not reach the lifeboats until 4 am, 2 hours after the sinking, and the rescue continued until the last lifeboat was collected at 8:30 am. The survivors among the men were relatively more crewmen, then more First Class and Third Class, with 92% of men dying from Second Class. However, the third-class women and children also died in relatively high numbers, with 66% of those children dying.[1]

[Johnny]

Posted by Tesla_WTC_Solution (here)
Thanks to all for the wonderful support -- a thread like this always seems shorter to read than the author intended, but I was trying to submit it by midnight and missed by a few minutes.

NO NO, You made it, It was only 09:09 here

And thanks for the information !

Johnny

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

You guys might find the behavior of this helmsman quite interesting in the context of peacetime maritime disasters. He left hundreds of passengers to die on board the Concordia cruise ship and tried to flee in a lifeboat.

Testimony: Hundreds still on board as captain left Costa Concordia
By Susanna Capelouto
December 10, 2013 -- Updated 0004 GMT (0804 HKT)

(CNN) -- Capt. Francesco Schettino abandoned the cruise liner Costa Concordia after it wrecked in 2012 while hundreds were still on board, according to testimony and recorded phone calls played in a court in Grosetto, Italy, on Monday.

Gregorio Di Falco of the Livorno Port Authority, the man who repeatedly ordered Schettino to get back on board, told the court he initiated rescue efforts on his own after distressed passengers called police. He didn't wait for a distress signal from Schettino, whose information was inconsistent, he said.

In phone calls played in court, Schettino said from a life boat that only a dozen people were still on board the ship, when the coast guard had reported hundreds. Schettino later adjusted his numbers saying it was indeed 200 to 300.

Schettino faces charges of manslaughter, causing a maritime disaster and abandoning ship with passengers still on board. He denies wrongdoing.

The cruise liner capsized after it struck rocks off Italy's Giglio Island in the Tyrrhenian Sea in January 2012, killing 32 of the 4,200 people on board.

Schettino's trial is expected to continue for several weeks.

Reporter Livia Borghese contributed to this article

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If you recall the recent remake of the Titanic story (Leonardo DeCaprio), many hundreds of poor people, including women and children, were abandoned belowdecks to die while crewmen escaped in near-empty lifeboats.

Now you have a clear picture of how and why this happens, accident or not.

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http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/09/wo...html?hpt=hp_t3

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http://www.teslasociety.com/marswithtesla.htm



http://teslacollection.com/

Because seeing is believing.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Please remember the TITANIC tonight, as you watch the blood moon, remember the souls who perished because of TPTB in an orchestrated mass murder...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_RMS_Titanic

Please remember that Tesla's financier went down on that ship.
The richest man in the world.

http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-st...r-m-s-titanic/

Blood Moon lunar eclipse eerily marks the sinking of the R.M.S. Titanic

By Ray Johnson, today at 6:59 pm

Ah..yet another strange coincidence to point out to our Chicago strange history fans out there. Late tonight into the wee hours of Tuesday the full moon will pass through the shadow of the Earth creating not a disappearing moon but rather a darker colored moon with deep red hues which has earned it the nickname "Blood Moon" The official time of the total lunar eclipse will be from from 00:53 hours EDT (0453 GMT) to about 0600 hours EDT (1000 GMT). Unfortunately most of us who are east of the Mississippi will miss most if not all of it because of cloudy skies but it should be visible to the remainder of North America! (figures)

The odd coincidence is that the "Blood Moon" will be making its appearance very close to the time of the Anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic. The R.M.S. Titanic struck the now infamous iceberg at 2340 hours (ship time) on April 14th, 1912 and sank two hours later at 0220 hours on April 15th or 0518 hours GMT.



Of the ship's 2,223 passengers, 706 passengers survived and 1,517 were lost. I had published two stories a while ago on some Chicago linked individuals who perished on the Titanic including an article on Frank Millet who was the Director of Decoration for the 1893 Columbian Exposition in Chicago and an article on William T. Stead who wrote the book, "If Christ Came to Chicago".

Tonight's coincidence is a little weird but probably one of the weirdest coincidences I had ever heard of regarding the Titanic was the book "Futility" which was written by Morgan Robertson. In his book he writes of a fictional ship called "Titan". It was the largest passenger ship in the world and was 800 feet long and displaced 75,000 tons of water. The Titanic was 882 feet long and displaced 63,000 tons of water. Both the Titanic and Titan had passenger capacities of 3,000. Both ships were sailing in the North Atlantic in the month of April and both struck icebergs on their starboard sides 100 miles from Newfoundland. The astounding thing is that Robertson wrote his book in 1898 nearly 14 years before the actual Titanic disaster!

Tomorrow, in honor of the official sinking date of the Titanic, I will be publishing articles on two Chicago survivor stories from the Titanic including Ida Hippach and her teenage daughter Jean whose family had some of the worst luck ever (depending on how you look at things) as well as Annie Kate Kelly and my chance meeting with her great-grand niece.

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Except regarding icebergs, we do have another theory which has already been presented. ANd it was no stranger than any of the theories surrounding Flight 370, the missing jetliner...



Tesla's ashes were placed in a golden sphere and can be see at the Nikola Tesla Museum in Belgrade, Serbia.

The Astor Family - News Source, Inc.
www.truedemocracy.net/hj31/23.html‎

Astor was on the ship, and he wanted to develop free energy with Tesla. Astor was the world's richest man; he opposed the Treasury and WWI so when he went ...

The Federal Reserve System (also known as the Federal Reserve, and informally as the Fed) is the central banking system of the United States. It was created on December 23, 1913, with the enactment of the Federal Reserve Act, largely in response to a series of financial panics, particularly a severe panic in 1907.[2][3][4][5][6][7] Over time, the roles and responsibilities of the Federal Reserve System have expanded, and its structure has evolved.[3][8] Events such as the Great Depression were major factors leading to changes in the system.[9]

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...3-2540922.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramming

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus_%28Verne%29


In September 1898, Tesla demonstrates his radio-controlled torpedo boat at Madison Square Garden in Ney York City. (Popular Science July 1956).

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=695ezHq1A1g

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/15/world/...html?hpt=hp_t2

Rescue operation underway as South Korean passenger ship sinks
By Euan McKirdy, CNN
updated 9:48 PM EDT, Tue April 15, 2014

(CNN) -- A South Korean ship, with around 450 passengers on board, is sinking off the country's southwestern coast, CNN affiliate YTN has reported.

Among the passengers, around 320 were students who were traveling with several teachers to the resort island of Jeju. There are around 20 crew members on board.

The Mokpo Coast Guard has confirmed to CNN that 82 passengers have been rescued. All remaining on the stricken ship are now wearing life jackets awaiting rescue.

The students are in touch with their parents by telephone. So far, no injuries and no deaths have been reported.

South Korean coast guard and naval vessels are involved in the rescue operation, semi-official news agency Yonhap has reported.

MORE TO FOLLOW


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http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/15/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

2 dead, 104 unaccounted as rescuers scramble to sinking South Korean ship
By Euan McKirdy and Paula Hancocks, CNN
updated 1:55 AM EDT, Wed April 16, 2014



Seoul, South Korea (CNN) -- Rescue boats and helicopters scrambled to pluck hundreds of passengers, most of them high school students, from a passenger ferry as it listed and slow sank off the southwest coast of South Korea on Wednesday.

Of the 474 people on board, 368 were rescued, many from the freezing waters into which they had jumped from the listing ship.

At least two people -- a woman and a student -- were confirmed dead. Another 104 remain unaccounted for, South Korean officials said.

The rescue operation was still underway at 2 p.m. local time (1 a.m. ET) -- four hours after the ferry first sent out distress signal.

Authorities could not immediately say what caused the ship to sink. The weather at the time of the incident in the area was clear.

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/17/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

As anger grows, prosecutor says captain not at helm when South Korea ferry sank
By Greg Botelho, Michael Pearson and Kyung Lah, CNN
updated 11:04 PM EDT, Thu April 17, 2014

Jindo, South Korea (CNN) -- The captain of a South Korean ferry wasn't at the helm of his vessel when it capsized, an official said Friday, raising another question about the man who families of the hundreds still missing have blamed most directly and emotionally for his part in the disaster.

Rather than Capt. Lee Joon Suk, the Sewol ferry's third mate was at the wheel when it began listing and ultimately flipped -- not long after a loudspeaker announcement told passengers to stay put and before only a few lifeboats deployed.

"It is not clear where (the captain) was when the accident occurred, although it is clear that he was not in the steering room before the actual accident happened," state prosecutor Jae-Eok Park said Friday.

Lee was one of at least 179 people rescued soon after Wednesday's sinking. A bigger number -- 271 as of Friday morning, according to the South Korean Coast Guard -- are still considered missing, with 25 confirmed dead.

How this all came to be remains murky two days later, much like the waters surrounding the capsized ship.

Family members of passengers massing on a dock in the Jindo, South Korea, harbor -- about 20 kilometers (12 miles) from where the five-story ship sank -- expressed increasing disgust, frustration and anger over everything from the ferry crew's response to the search-and-rescue effort.

The latter continued on Friday under dreary conditions similar to those that have plagued the area for days.

No one was rescued Thursday, during which time U.S. Navy Capt. Heidi Agle said two Navy helicopters equipped with special radars could only fly a few hours due to the poor weather. Divers in the water battled against strong currents, frigid water temperatures in the 50s (10 to 15 Celsius) and difficulty seeing more than a few feet ahead.

"It's extremely difficult," Agle, who said the Navy helicopters were from the USS Bonhomme Richard nearby, told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "There are heavy currents in the area, so the vessel itself is not stable in the water. So you are, by default, putting divers at risk... There are many, many things that are working against them."

It's a different kind of struggle for those in Jindo, many of them the parents of more than 300 Seoul high school students who'd been heading to a four-day island holiday.

Wearing ponchos to fend off the rain, some of them could be heard crying in the face of the grim situation. Others demanded answers from Lee, chanting, "Captain, come out."

He didn't talk directly to them, but ferry Capt. Lee Joon Suk did emerge Thursday at a South Korean Coast Guard office. His head and face covered, he broke down in tears when reporters asked him if he had anything to say.

Lee managed only, "I am sorry, I am at a loss for words."

Using cranes to raise ship among options

The vast majority of the ship is underwater, and potential survivors in a part of the hull above water may have to deal with hypothermia and lack of oxygen.

Even so, authorities haven't given up hope.

They continue to operate under the assumption there are more survivors, hoping trapped passengers found pockets of air. Images show parts of the hull visible above water and presumably not flooded.

"Absolutely, there could be areas in there where there is breathable air, but the trouble right now is the temperature and getting people to them," Mike Dean, the U.S. Navy deputy director for salvage and diving, told "CNN Tonight."

More than 170 ships and more than 500 divers have swarmed the ferry site, though they are hampered by relentless rain, whipping winds and thick fog in addition to strong currents and murky waters.

CNN affiliate YTN reported that the Coast Guard said eight divers planned to enter the ship's cafeteria on Friday afternoon.

This comes as part of a multi-faceted effort, including possibly pumping oxygen in the vessel and trying to raise the vessel.

Kim Soo Hyeon, the chief of South Korea's Yellow Sea Maritime Police Agency, has said that authorities are "leaning toward" the latter option. Two cranes were at the scene early Friday, with a third scheduled to be there later in the day.

Can they survive in air pockets?

Still, there was no guarantee any of those efforts would lead to rescues.

Despite government assurances that rescuers would work around the clock to save lives, some relatives were angry about the pace of the operation.

"If the government cares for the people, our family, our children, please rescue our families and our children," said Chang Min, whose second-grade son is among the missing.

Passengers told 'don't move'

One factor seemingly working against a miracle is that most passenger bedrooms are on the fourth level of the five-floor boat, which is now upside down. Divers tried at least six times to enter the submerged cabins but were unable to get in, Kim said.

Surviving passengers told YTN that --as the ship began to list sharply about the same time as loud banging sounds were heard -- they were urged to stay put.

"Don't move," a voice warned, according to a recording obtained by YTN. "If you move, it's dangerous. Don't move."

Student Lim Hyung Min, who was rescued, told YTN he heard a bang before the ship began to list.

"The students were falling over and crashing into things and bleeding," Lim said.

Rescue helicopters plucked some passengers from the ship as the vessel lay on its side before capsizing. Crews of fishing boats and military ships that raced to the scene in a heavily used sea lane pulled others from the water.

Few passengers made it to lifeboats.

Social media video acquired by CNN affiliate JTBC showed at least 12 of the white survival capsules still attached to the ferry even as it was keeled over in the water.

It was unclear, however, exactly how many lifeboats had deployed. Initial reports from YTN said it was one, but the JTBC video shows what appears to be two lifeboats next to the ship.

CNN has not been able to independently confirm the reports.

Apology, but no answer as to what happened

Why did it happen? South Korean media has reported investigators are probing the possibility the ship may have taken a sharp turn, causing vehicles and cargo aboard to shift and forcing the ship off balance.

CNN has not confirmed those reports.

Kim, the maritime police chief, said it appears the ship deviated from its planned route but that it did not appear it hit a rock. That information conflicted with an earlier statement by a spokesman for the South Korean Oceans and Fisheries Ministry, who said the ship was not significantly off its planned course.

The ship's operator, Chonghaejin Marine Corp., had no explanation, only apologies.

"We deeply apologize to the families, and I'm saying once again we're really sorry," Chonghaejin executive Kim Young-bung said.

"Our company will promise that we will do our best not to lose any more lives."

The president of the company tried to venture out to the sunken ferry, but he collapsed and was taken to a hospital.

Mother says: 'How can I sleep?'

U.S. President Barack Obama was among those who offered his condolences to his country's staunch ally, in addition to assistance from his country's Navy.

Yet at the Paeng Mok Harbor in Jindo, little could console the family members of the missing who passed hour after hour staring at the water and their cell phones, hoping for a call or text indicating a miracle.

Heartbreaking text messages said to be from missing passengers amplified the grief, but the semiofficial Yonhap News Agency reported that police had concluded messages purportedly sent from the sunken ship were faked.

Some parents took a boat toward the accident site, YTN said. But the boat turned back after several of them became so distraught that they fainted.

Others vented their anger about the pace of the progress, throwing chairs in frustration.

At least one mother blamed herself.

Christine Kim's daughter didn't want to go on her school's field trip to Jeju. After all, she had just visited the island two months ago.

But Kim urged her to go.

"I told her, 'I think this trip will be (a) very great experience for you,'" the mother said.

Now, she's full of guilt as she waits at the dreary harbor. She's been sitting in the cold rain for more than a day.

"How can I sleep when my daughter is in the cold ocean?"

CNN's Kyung Lah reported from Jindo and Michael Pearson and Greg Botelho wrote from Atlanta. CNN's Madison Park, K.J. Kwon, Holly Yan, Judy Kwon, Hyoung Joo Choi, Stella Kim, Frances Cha, Pauline Chiou, Euan McKirdy and Catherine E. Shoichet contributed to this report.

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...I don't want to spread fear porn, but check out:

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South Korea Ship Sinking Illuminati Satanic Sacrifice ?

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Sinking just so happens to occur after blood moon and during Jewish Passover. There was severe fog, so why did it continue to make its way to Jeju Island? There Were 324 Students On Board Headed to a Field Trip. Their safety was placed at a large risk. Was the fog a cover for something else?


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The controversy regarding the Titanic's final manoeuvre

http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org...manoeuvre.html

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/16/world/...sinking-cause/

Theories on how a South Korean passenger ferry suddenly sank
By Josh Levs, CNN
updated 7:35 AM EDT, Thu April 17, 2014



(CNN) -- As divers searched frigid waters off South Korea in low visibility, hoping to save hundreds of passengers, a dominant theory began to emerge about how the ferry sank.

It most likely struck something in the water, said Peter Boynton, a retired U.S. Coast Guard captain.

"The speed with which this ferry began to list and then roll over on its side suggests significant damage, most likely causing major flooding that would cause a vessel of this size -- almost 500 feet long -- to quickly roll onto its side. That's very likely the result of significant damage," he said.

Some passengers reported hearing a loud bang before the ship began sinking. That could be from cargo shifting or "some other internal damage," Boynton told CNN's "New Day." "But it does sound, from initial reports, it was more likely that something was struck."

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http://www.voanews.com/content/reu-s...l/1894325.html

The passenger ferry was carrying more than 462 people on board, most of them high school students, when it sent out a distress signal at 9:00 a.m. South Korean officials said.

Reports quoted passengers as saying they heard a loud noise before the 6,000-ton vessel began to tilt and then capsize and sink. It was almost completely submerged in just hours.
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A total of 16 helicopters, 34 rescue vessels and navy divers were sent to the area, Lee Gyeong-og, a vice minister for South Korea's Public Administration and Security Ministry, told a televised news conference. He said President Park Geun-hye ordered a thorough rescue operation to prevent deaths. He said 14 had been injured so far, including one described as serious, and taken to hospitals.

Later Wednesday, 21 navy and 11 coast guard divers began searching the near-sunken ship for survivors, according to emergency officials.

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The headmaster of the school has just killed himself..

Is there another thread on this? or is it just really empty here?

I'm the only one browsing this thread?

Because Tesla you nailed this amazingly... you have some special gift.

It's so sad watching this story

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Posted by SKIBADABOMSKI (here)
The headmaster of the school has just killed himself..

Is there another thread on this? or is it just really empty here?

I'm the only one browsing this thread?

Because Tesla you nailed this amazingly... you have some special gift.

It's so sad watching this story

Dear SKIBADABOMSKI,

I am not sure why people didn't follow this story, it's a bit sad, because it's a serious situation.
I feel like the airplane story overshadowed the ferry story even though the boat wreck was more lethal ultimately



I think perhaps someone wanted us to notice.
It is a very sad week for those people.
i read about that suicide of the schoolmaster also and felt horrible for him and his family.
and the captain etc.

the whole thing is so sad.

it's almost like Titanic all over again.

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The Captain of the ship actually dressed in normal clothes and then abandoned ship as a passenger and even worse was when he was in hospital he was spotted ironing out his soggy money.

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Posted by SKIBADABOMSKI (here)
The Captain of the ship actually dressed in normal clothes and then abandoned ship as a passenger and even worse was when he was in hospital he was spotted ironing out his soggy money.

that's fairly horrific.
oh my goodness how sad for everyone.

ferries etc can have serious issues -- fog etc are not ok,
it's weird he wasn't doing his job on a crappy night like that.

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Just wanted to point out that the cause of the capsizing of the Korean ferry has not been determined, although "center of gravity being raised due to extra cabins added" was mentioned in recent articles.

Also, the timing is strange. Obama's visit to Korea was scheduled before this ferry accident killed all those school children.

Come to think of it, there's been a LOT of dead children lately and I don't care for it.
How many horrible incidents during this presidency? Yet nothing really gets done to keep kids safer from capitalism.
We have to worry about towels and underwear bombs, but not our own governments, airlines, ferry systems, cutting corners and being unsafe/illegal.

Anyone else find it strange that this "tragedy" "overshadowed" (barf) Obama's visit to Korea?

Legitimized by bloodshed, apparently, our NWO...

Seriously though, how many incidents involving kids have we seen since Bush staggered out of the Oval Office??


http://time.com/76931/obama-south-ko...t-ferry-sewol/
http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video...%26intl%3Dtrue


It's not like he wasn't warned lol

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i think you guys should know something, the South Korean PM just resigned supposedly over this ferry thing, Obama was just there, UMMMMM anyone else smell fish?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/26/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

South Korean prime minister resigns over ferry disaster response
By Nic Robertson, Ben Brumfield and Greg Botelho, CNN
updated 10:36 PM EDT, Sat April 26, 2014

Jindo, South Korea (CNN) -- South Korea's prime minister announced his resignation Sunday morning, taking responsibility for the slow initial response to a ferry's sinking that has left nearly 200 dead with scores more still missing.

Prime Minister Chung Hong-won outlined his decision, and apologized to victims' families, in remarks on national television.

"During the search process, the government took inadequate measures and disappointed the public," Chung said. "I should take responsibility for everything as the prime minister, but the government can assume no more. So I will resign as prime minister."

With his announcement, Chung urged his countrymen to stand united, rather than divided.

"Please come together as one for the recovery efforts," he said.

Chung becomes the highest-profile public figure yet to fall following the April 16 disaster and subsequent response, which elicited considerable sorrow and anger from the South Korean public.

Eleven days later, searchers are still looking for passengers and crew aboard the Sewol ferry. They have retrieved 187 bodies so far, with another 115 still missing.

The search Saturday was suspended due to bad weather that made diving through the murky waters especially dangerous.

A day earlier, divers found the bodies of 48 girls -- wearing their life jackets -- pressed into a room too small for so many people.

Divers believe that they will face the same scene again. There may be a second, similar room, where 50 more girls are believed to have been trapped when the ferry rolled over.
South Korean coast guard diver Kim Dong-soo said he had tears in his eyes when he heard about the accident.

"Even now, I'm searching as if I'm looking for my own children -- and other coast guards feel the same way," he told CNN. "I have two medical patches on me, have difficulty breathing and my head hurts. But it hurts the most in my heart, knowing those children are still in the cold water."

Those still diving face a search that is getting harder and slower.

Now they will head down deep for cabins near the seabed.

In the cramped spaces, divers have been battling a forest of floating objects and doors forced shut by tremendous water pressure. Currents tug at the breathing tubes that keep them alive as they look for the dead.

There may be fewer bodies to retrieve, but divers have already searched the easily accessible places, said South Korean navy Capt. Kim Jin-hwang, commander of the rescue operation.

"But the navy will not stop until the last body is found," he said.

Fisherman: Disaster haunts his sleep

Fisherman Kim Hyun-ho finds no peace when he lies down at night. The hundreds of dead or missing passengers from the Sewol ferry disaster haunt his sleep.

Their screams ring in his head. He has vivid memories of his rush to save them in his modest fishing boat off South Korea's coast 10 days ago.

Kim thinks he may have pulled 25 people from the frigid waters of the Yellow Sea, he said Saturday. But the man from a nearby tiny island of just 100 people feels no pride, only torment.

"It was hell. Agonizing. There were a lot of people and not enough boats, people in the water yelling for help. The ferry was sinking fast," he said.

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He watched people trapped inside go under with the vessel yards in front of him. Then he heard on television how many people were sealed up in the ship.

The father of two grown children is heartbroken for the hundreds of parents who have lost theirs, those he could not save.

He's trying to fish again, but he's a changed man, he says.

Legal ramifications

As the effort inside the ship continues, South Korean authorities are pressing a criminal investigation into the sinking.

It's resulted in the arrests of the ship's captain and 14 other members. Prosecutors in Mokpo, South Korea, who are leading the ferry investigation tell CNN that all the 15 crew members in charge of sailing and the engine room have been indicted and are being held in the Mokpo Prison.

Yang Joong-Jin, the senior prosecutor for the investigation task force, said they all face charges of "causing death by abandoning (ship), and violation of the country's marine law, the Rescue and Aid at Sea and in the River Act.

Investigators also searched the company that owned the ferry and the home of the man whose family controls it, and conducted a wide-ranging probe into the country's marine industry.


Prosecutors have said that authorities have yet to determine what caused the sinking.

Leading theories include changes made to increase the ferry's passenger capacity, and shifting cargo.

On Friday, investigators checked out the Sewol's sister ship, the Ohamana, and said they found 40 of its life rafts weren't working, emergency slides to help evacuate passengers were inoperable, and equipment to tie down cars and cargo either was nonexistent or didn't work very well.

Like the Sewol, the Ohamana had been modified to add more passengers, the prosecutor's office said.

Investigators are looking into whether those modifications could have contributed to the Sewol's fate.

Kim Yong-rok, an opposition lawmaker who represents Jindo, an island near where the ship sank, told CNN that modifications to add 117 more passenger cabins to the ship raised the ferry's center of gravity.

On Friday, the South Korean Ministry of Oceans and Fisheries announced it would ask lawmakers to consider legislation prohibiting modifications to ships to increase passenger capacity.