Can a dead person visit here in the body?

[ulli]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by ghostrider (here)

everyone has a twin ...

Many years ago, my mother encountered my Doppelgänger in a supermarket on the other side of the world from where I was at the time. They were right next to each other in the checkout line.

My mother, who was a remarkably intelligent and perceptive woman, was dumbstruck: this other man looked, dressed, walked, smiled, gestured, and talked EXACTLY like I did. Her great regret was that she never engaged him in conversation to find out who he was and what his life was about. She just stared and stared and was quite unable to speak. For many years afterwards, she enjoyed telling the very interesting story.

My son had a doppelgänger, same name, same interests, talented musician and graphic artist and web designer...I could not believe my eyes when at the bottom of the page even the middle name was the same...Barnaby Charles Ward. And my son had the largest Lego collection in the Northern hemisphere and Barnaby Charles Ward from Adelaide Australia according to the article about him had the largest Lego collection in the Southern Hemisphere .

The main difference between them...the other Barnaby (aka Baterz) died of Aids years ago, having been suffering from hemophilia and had been given a contaminated blood transfusion at age 15. He lived to the age of 33.
After reading that I was somewhat worried for years, that my son might meet a similar fate, and nearly panicked when he developed a heart condition, but he seems to be stronger now. He will be 35 next year.
If you google Barnaby Ward and Baterz you will see the amazing coincidence for yourself.


Here is the obituary of my son's doppelgänger
http://oa.anu.edu.au/obituary/ward-b...-charles-13976

[Crystine]

Posted by ulli (here)
The main difference between them...the other Barnaby (aka Baterz) died of Aids years ago, having been suffering from hemophilia and had been given a contaminated blood transfusion at age 15. He lived to the age of 33.
After reading that I was somewhat worried for years, that my son might meet a similar fate, and nearly panicked when he developed a heart condition, but he seems to be stronger now. He will be 35 next year.
If you google Barnaby Ward and Baterz you will see the amazing coincidence for yourself.

Ulli, I am glad that your son is well. I also hope he stays strong and energetic. A mother's love. Only a mom knows what it is from her side. Much love. Friend.

[araucaria]

There is plenty of evidence that 'a dead person can visit here in the body', albeit usually through the intercession of a medium. One of the people working in this field is Michael Roll, who physically met his dead father in 1983.
http://www.spiritoday.com/exclusive-...h-all-about-3/

The medium Helen Duncan was active in this area. I read somewhere that when she herself came back to her daughter, she brought a rose like the one her daughter had secretly placed in her coffin, and cuttings were taken of the rose, which increased and multiplied in the normal way.
http://www.helenduncan.org.uk/

The other phenomenon one might mention here is ghostly visitations, which can sometimes be very real. The astronomer Camille Flammarion catalogued hundreds of instances in his three Death and its mystery books.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_Flammarion

The writer Georges Perec, who made the loss of his mother, gassed at Auschwitz, the central subtext of his writings, late in life told his psychoanalyst that he had seen her just as he could see him.

While none of these examples quite fits the circumstances of the opening post, they certainly match the title of this thread.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Zelig (here)

Your final decree, "In answer to your question "Can a dead person visit here in the body?" -- the answer is no. Only in bad movies! If Che came back, he would be back in spirit (occupying a new body) and would no doubt be intent on continuing his revolutionary mission." was obnoxious, cowardly and unnecessary. Where is your proof to back up such a certainty? I'll eat your hat if you can share it.

• Obnoxious: No.
• Cowardly: No.
• Unnecessary: Christine asked the question in her thread title, so I answered it honestly, clearly and accurately. If you sincerely think anything different (and seances do not count: this person had a Facebook page!!), you may be very confused indeed.

[christian]

Here's a story that a friend told me of what happened after her father died. I don't know what the story means, but I do trust her that it happened as she told me.

A postman came to her delivering a parcel which she had not ordered, she did not want to receive it. It was another postman than the one she knew from before. Several days later, when she saw the corpse of her father at the funeral, she said she was amazed that this corpse looked so different from her father when he was alive. She said this postman looked exactly like the corpse of her father, of course she was sad that she didn't accept the parcel.

When it comes to dead people coming back in the flesh, I don't think that this is possible. However, I do think people can appear in the astral and appear very real to most people, whether they're still alive or already dead. My friend never touched this postman or the parcel. Who knows what would have happened.

[Phoenix1304]

Hi Christine

Interesting story. Interesting responses!

I'm thinking something like Che phasing in and out of a parallel universe! If we follow that line of thinking, just because he said he'd been jailed doesn't mean he had...and he's on probation as a universe jumper. He might have 'picked up' the high school from you. Did you find him in a yearbook by the way, he'd already covered the base that he wasn't photographed for it right? Fred is a rather odd name for a young rebel don't you think? I mean, Fred Bloggs is the classic Mr nobody. Ah, first flaw in my speculation, he'd have had a Spanish accent..oh well.

Just throwing out some thoughts here to let you know that plenty of Avalon members enjoy pushing the flap down on the side of the box and you won't get any supercilious put downs from me. You know what you know, and it's hard to express the knowing that kind of experience is, but thank you for trying.

To address your question, I don't believe the deceased can easily manifest anything, let alone full bodied flesh and blood materialisation, but it could, nonetheless, be something equally extraordinary that none of us begin to understand as yet.

Like my finding Cuba synchronicities every way I turn these past 3 days, it's rapidly moved to the top of my 'next place to visit' list and young Che has been much on my mind as it happens. Go figure!

And more questions, was the picture on the FB page one of the actual iconic images of Che or just a picture of the boy with his uncanny resemblance? What did the page reveal about him?

[Crystine]

Posted by Phoenix1304 (here)
Hi Christine

Interesting story. Interesting responses!

I'm thinking something like Che phasing in and out of a parallel universe! If we follow that line of thinking, just because he said he'd been jailed doesn't mean he had...and he's on probation as a universe jumper. He might have 'picked up' the high school from you. Did you find him in a yearbook by the way, he'd already covered the base that he wasn't photographed for it right? Fred is a rather odd name for a young rebel don't you think? I mean, Fred Bloggs is the classic Mr nobody. Ah, first flaw in my speculation, he'd have had a Spanish accent..oh well.

Just throwing out some thoughts here to let you know that plenty of Avalon members enjoy pushing the flap down on the side of the box and you won't get any supercilious put downs from me. You know what you know, and it's hard to express the knowing that kind of experience is, but thank you for trying.

To address your question, I don't believe the deceased can easily manifest anything, let alone full bodied flesh and blood materialisation, but it could, nonetheless, be something equally extraordinary that none of us begin to understand as yet.

Like my finding Cuba synchronicities every way I turn these past 3 days, it's rapidly moved to the top of my 'next place to visit' list and young Che has been much on my mind as it happens. Go figure!

And more questions, was the picture on the FB page one of the actual iconic images of Che or just a picture of the boy with his uncanny resemblance? What did the page reveal about him?

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The Facebook page was completely blank except for the photo. Which was the one in this thread minus the printed information.

Not even a name.
Which how about Ferdinand?
Frederico? Or Fernando.
Now I used Fred ????????? To locate the page. I do not remember the last name. The page was mapped out an sectioned for Facebook. But only the picture. I have seen Facebook pages that the owner dropped or actually deleted. Not anything like what I found. Now looking back. God bless him.

[Milneman]

Sometimes things happen that are synchronous...and sometimes its not about us.

One thing about your OP that I think shows great character and compassion is that you gave this young man an ear for a moment, and you spoke to him.

You're a good person, Gramma. I mean that with the greatest respect and admiration.

[Crystine]

Posted by Milneman (here)
Sometimes things happen that are synchronous...and sometimes its not about us.

One thing about your OP that I think shows great character and compassion is that you gave this young man an ear for a moment, and you spoke to him.

You're a good person, Gramma. I mean that with the greatest respect and admiration.

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Thankyou Milneman. I know where there is a bridge. And pine cone races.

[Phoenix1304]

You didn't say if you found him in the yearbook...?

Here's a short vid of him being interviewed in Dublin (the interpreter's Spanish is about as good as mine!) and it looks like he gave her his beret! Ooh he was a bit gorgeous wasn't he? Maybe just personal taste but that's my kinda man! lol He was quite the intellectual and loved the work of Frederico Lorca btw. You can tell from his eyes he had a great sense of humour. Now, is this the same guy?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jlAMG7efzIc

You might also enjoy the movie of his book The Motorcycle Diaries starring another lookalike, just for a bit more knowledge about this extraordinary individual. I thoroughly enjoyed it a few years ago.

[Hazel]

Get the sense Che is charmed by his interpreter.. hence the sparkle in his eyes.
And I agree Phoenix, he has charisma and sex appeal.

[Zelig]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Zelig (here)

Your final decree, "In answer to your question "Can a dead person visit here in the body?" -- the answer is no. Only in bad movies! If Che came back, he would be back in spirit (occupying a new body) and would no doubt be intent on continuing his revolutionary mission." was obnoxious, cowardly and unnecessary. Where is your proof to back up such a certainty? I'll eat your hat if you can share it.

• Obnoxious: No.
• Cowardly: No.
• Unnecessary: Christine asked the question in her thread title, so I answered it honestly, clearly and accurately. If you sincerely think anything different (and seances do not count: this person had a Facebook page!!), you may be very confused indeed.

My objection to your post has little to do with the technical details and everything to do with the tone you utilized. I don't agree or disagree with your opinion regarding the question Christine posed but I find it disappointing that you asserted your opinion as fact and punctuated it with a declaration of the question's 'silliness'. I wouldn't be bothered if such a response came from anyone else but it seems to be you that steers the ship here and if this is the direction you think it should take then I think my time here is done. I think I may have unfairly and naively put you on a pedestal and expected you to display superhuman powers of good nature, consideration and unerring wisdom. I apologize for this sincerely and can understand, or at least imagine the challenges you face in maintaining this community. It really is a nice place.

[araucaria]

Posted by Zelig (here)
then I think my time here is done. I think I may have unfairly and naively put you on a pedestal and expected you to display superhuman powers of good nature, consideration and unerring wisdom. I apologize for this sincerely and can understand, or at least imagine the challenges you face in maintaining this community. It really is a nice place.

Well, Zelig, now that you have toppled Bill from that mistake of a pedestal, how can your time in this really nice place be done? I must be missing something.

[Zelig]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by Zelig (here)
then I think my time here is done. I think I may have unfairly and naively put you on a pedestal and expected you to display superhuman powers of good nature, consideration and unerring wisdom. I apologize for this sincerely and can understand, or at least imagine the challenges you face in maintaining this community. It really is a nice place.

Well, Zelig, now that you have toppled Bill from that mistake of a pedestal, how can your time in this really nice place be done? I must be missing something.

Correction!

I think I had been looking at the pedestal the wrong way and it was actually me that I'd put on top -- therefore any toppling really only affected myself. I have requested a decommissioning of my membership here but apparently the process is not immediate. Unless this is the afterlife, in which case I can inform you that it doesn't seem much different. Disappointing, actually.

[araucaria]

Posted by Zelig (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by Zelig (here)
then I think my time here is done. I think I may have unfairly and naively put you on a pedestal and expected you to display superhuman powers of good nature, consideration and unerring wisdom. I apologize for this sincerely and can understand, or at least imagine the challenges you face in maintaining this community. It really is a nice place.

Well, Zelig, now that you have toppled Bill from that mistake of a pedestal, how can your time in this really nice place be done? I must be missing something.

Correction!

I think I had been looking at the pedestal the wrong way and it was actually me that I'd put on top -- therefore any toppling really only affected myself. I have requested a decommissioning of my membership here but apparently the process is not immediate. Unless this is the afterlife, in which case I can inform you that it doesn't seem much different. Disappointing, actually.

It's probably a cooling off period. Why don't you just stay with us? We all say things that piss each other off, but it all comes out in the wash.