Chris Thomas

[OnyxKnight]

Thank you for the feedback

Posted by turiya (here)
Unlike someone else who claims to be able to access the Akashic & calls himself the "Galactic Historian".

Who is that?

Posted by turiya (here)
Chris Thomas says the "Ashtar Command" is but only one of the personas that the Velon have used to "channel" messages to gullible human beings.

Not sure why he connected that to the "Velon", when what people are dealing with regarding "Ashtar" is Artificial Intelligence. But I sort of expected that many other things would not fit regarding his material, and that's fine.

Posted by turiya (here)
As far as 'WHY' the Annunaki/Velon come to Earth to acquire gold, now, as Chris Thomas has explained, this is just part of the "Annunaki/Velon Fantasy Story". It is all a fictional story created by the Annunaki/Velon to fool people on this planet into believing that they are our creator gods. So, there is no answer to this part of your question. Its BS fantasy fiction, plain & simple.

There are huge megastructures deep underground in Africa and the Middle East that were once colossal gold mines. If the reason for them being here was just to sell a bull**** story (not being there in the past originally), and claim this planet as their own sacred, holy land to conquer (among so many other planets, unpopulated ones at that), sounds a lot more filled with bulls*it potential than the original story. Second, what are the gold mines doing there? Were they built just because?

You need to look for answers to the 'anunnaki' (or 'velon' if you prefer), outside Chris Tomas' worldview a little bit.

Posted by turiya (here)
Now where else, OnyxKnight, would you have gotten the idea that human beings have Annunaki genes in them? Except from the Zecharia Sitchin material. And, if Bill Ryan is true to his word, and I don't think there are many people that would think otherwise, then its very possible that the information that you had gotten (i.e. from Zecharia Sitchin's material) about the idea that human beings have Annunaki genes, then the very source of that idea could very well be "channeled" information.

Well, it doesn't matter whether or not you believe that there are a lot of people who think Bill has some dubious, or non-credible sources. Mine, or their own opinion of Bill remains unaffected. But his sources and their information will still be considered doubtful. This has spiked up with the latest interviews.

Posted by turiya (here)
Now, you have stated in Post #236:

"Genetics will always win an argument against channeled material. I'm sorry, but that's not a claim, that's a fact."

By now, you have no doubt read what Bill Ryan has said about Zecharia Sitchin receiving "channeled" material from the Annunaki through the method of 'automatic writing', so then please tell me, SamwiseTheBrave, Observer, & everyone else that comes to read this thread: From WHERE did you get your FACT(s) that human beings on planet Earth have Annunaki genes?

As far as where I got the information from - I have my own extraterrestrial contact (its not channeled), and I have cross referenced it with what a layman can find available on the net regarding physical evidence of it. I did mention them before (polydactyly, pallor, gigantism, and hyperdontia). All are related with a dominant mutagen series, and their expression in various forms, dating back before human species had any technological advancements whatsoever. Each condition is more dominant in certain population, but a combination of two expressed such conditions seem to be prevalent in the Middle East peoples, Nordic and Native American tribes.

Do some reading on pituitary adenomas, acromegaly, the AIP-gene.

Posted by turiya (here)
Do you, yourself, have the "hard physical evidence" that Annunaki genes are part of human DNA?

I'd need a dead 'anunnaki' body and a team of expert world-class geneticists and astrobiologists for actual physical proof. If you have any ideas how I might purchase those, free of cost and additional negative repercussions, let me know, I'll do the presentation and educational prepping in front of you.

Posted by turiya (here)
If you don't absolutely know this for yourself, and you got this information from someone else, from somewhere else, on the web, heard it on radio or read it in a book - perhaps, a book written by Zecharia Sithin, then you are being fed information that you are "believing" to be factual, and/or could very possibly have come (according to Bill Ryan) from a "channeled" source via Zecharia Sitchin's books.

Wouldn't that place all your best bets on belief as well then?

Posted by turiya (here)

Belief often time trumps truth. One can believe it to be factual, but believing it as such doesn't make it so.

Now, I am not believing, nor disbelieving what Chris Thomas is saying - in fact, leave Chris Thomas totally out of our little discussion altogether, here (between me & you), all I am doing, here, is simply questioning whether the Zecharia Sitchin material should be accepted as scientific fact, when a very reliable authority on scientific fact has come forth & said that Zecharia Sitchin really didn't translate the Cuneiform Tablets but, on the contrary, received "channeled" material from an Annunaki [Velon] entity, and then put that channeled information into his books & presented it as fact - for so many, many, many people to read & "believe" & take as fact.

That's all what this is about.
Just something to consider on this "stuff", is all I am saying here.

cheers

Well, the thread is not named "Unpopular view about the Anunnaki", it has the title it has, and it seems to be all about him and his views (not the unpopular views about the 'anunnaki' from multiple other sources, and there are such). And your posts do ring that you not only believe him, but that you are a very firm, solid, unconditional supporter. Not questioning the material one iota, especially since its "channeled" (call it what you like, the process is the same, its like comparing red apples and green apples to me).

Posted by FireHorse (here)
Point One

Page 1 of this very thread covers your question, Onyx (go read a little...):

If their homeworld orbits two suns, their skin would at least have pigment, if not be very, very dark. Unfortunately, it is pale-white. This is also weird as to their life cycle, emergence and evolution, as well as colonization efforts and their technology.

This is obviously where the Annunaki originate although their solar system is known as Velus, after the primary solar system consciousness, and the inhabitants of the solar system are known as Velon.

It has a secondary solar system consciousness? Does it have a name? What exactly is this primary cosciousness? Does it reside in the sun(s)?

The Velon peoples are semi-physical in energy patterns and so are much less physically dense than we are. Although collectively they are known as Velon, they have divided up themselves into six different races. These are: Oa, Mila, Jjundaa, Johnaan, Hathor and Annunaki.

Less-physically dense than us and semi-physical are two very different things. Did you know that?

Most of the population live on the main planet called Velus but also inhabit several of the other planets as well. Some time ago, a disaster happened in the Velus system where one of the planetary moons collided with one of the planets (see my books for full details) causing a great deal of destruction and the population of that planet moved to other planets in the Velus system to avoid the catastrophe.

They can travel between galaxies yet they can't prevent a disaster like that?

The home world of the Annunaki, called either Anu or Nibiru, has an atmosphere which is very dense in order to keep the surface habitable as the planet travels the vast distances as it orbits around both suns. The nearest description of what this dense substance is made from would be gold.

There is no "either/or". The two words have very different meanings. It has one name, or the other name. This adds to the BS meter.

If the thick atmosphere is composed if heavy saturation of gold, they wouldn't be able to breathe. Its not exactly, habitable.

Point Two
As far as their solar system itself is concerned, the primary solar system consciousness, Velus, appears to have lost interest in its solar system as the suns are slowly dying.

If only that was valid enough to be considered true, then I guess astronomy would have had a very different explanation for dying stars.

The Velon are a peoples who have kept themselves very much to themselves with very little contact with any of the other races. In fact, they seem to have remained very much within their home galaxy and not ventured outside of it very much at all. However, about 1,000 years ago one of the Velon ships broke through the energy boundary of their home galaxy and discovered an energy flow.

Energy boundary?

Throughout this universe, there are always free moving energies. Some of these energy flows are targeted at specific regions to, say, help in that region's development. Unfortunately, for us, the energy flow detected by the Velon ship was the primary energy flow directed at our solar system (this energy is intended to help us in our experiment on Earth and is directed at Silbury Hill in Wiltshire).

England? 4 of the more dominant families that pass the gigantism-related hereditary gene are from England. But then again, the premise here that they didn't intervene physically with our development, so I'll brush that off.

The reporting of this energy flow caused a massive revelation within the Velus system and sparked a race to try to be the first of the six Velon races to arrive at the end of this energy flow. The Velus consciousness seems to have had some kind of strange “religious” moment at this news and began to see the Velon as “God‟s chosen people” who should live on “God's chosen planet”. In other words, the Velon should move to Earth.

This is worse than the dolphin-human hybrids of McCollum ... Okay.

[Kalamos]

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Posted by Calamus (here)
It sucks when you start to realize that the ideology you've invested so much time and emotion into might be a farce (but everybody better get used to it).

It might not suck all the time. Perhaps, it can be liberating...finally waking up.

~FireHorse

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Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
Thank you for the feedback

Posted by turiya (here)
...the "Galactic Historian".

Who is that?

Well, OnyxKnight, I really don’t think that you are so unfamiliar with how to do a Google Search – try it out, I think you can figure it out for yourself. Seems your are a smart guy & really don't need me to hold your hand & walk you through a simple search for this.

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
... what people are dealing with regarding "Ashtar" [Command] is Artificial Intelligence.

And so, it is your belief that there is AI is involved with Ashtar Command… From where did that kind of technology come from? Who do you think developed it? Government? Aliens? Humans? Or what?

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
There are huge megastructures deep underground in Africa and the Middle East that were once colossal gold mines. If the reason for them being here was just to sell a bull**** story (not being there in the past originally), and claim this planet as their own sacred, holy land to conquer (among so many other planets, unpopulated ones at that), sounds a lot more filled with bulls*it potential than the original story. Second, what are the gold mines doing there? Were they built just because?

Well, greed is as old as the human mind itself.
All that digging for gold is done by humans, and not soley for Annunaki slave-Masters (as you would like us all to believe), but for power-hungry humans, the greedy elitist human bastards that have been on the scene since the great fall of man. Some may say it - since the "Dawn of Man". I would call it - since the "Fall of Man".

Doesn't take a genius to figure this one out. Watching a simple video and anyone can understand the human psychology. Its really not that much of a 'MYSTERY', on the contrary, one can see that it certainly spells-out alot of 'MISERY' for the generations that have existed since the time of the sinking of Atlantis.

South Africa's Illegal Gold Mines

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sVQWFmy2A_k

The Money Stone

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XkpdKL5_ZGA

TauTona Mine

TauTona Mine - or Western Deep No.3 Shaft, is a gold mine in South Africa. At some 3.9 kilometers (2.4 mi) deep it is currently home to the world's deepest mining operations.The mine was originally built by the Anglo American Corporation with its 2 km (1.2 mi) deep main shaft being sunk in 1957. The name TauTona means "great lion" in the Setswana language. The mine began operation in 1962. It is one of the most efficient mines in South Africa and remains in continuous operation even during periods when the price of gold is low. Since its construction two secondary shafts have been added bringing the mine to its current depth. The mine today has some 800 km (500 mi) of tunnels and employs some 5,600 miners. The mine is a dangerous place to work and an average of five miners die in accidents each year. The mine is so deep that temperatures in the mine can rise to life-threatening levels. Air conditioning equipment is used to cool the mine from 55 °C (131 °F) down to a more tolerable 28 °C (82 °F). The rock face temperature currently reaches 60 °C (140 °F).

By 2008, the mine reached some 3.9 km (2.4 mi) underground. This made it the deepest mine in the world, surpassing the 3,585 m (11,762 ft) deep East Rand Mine by a considerable margin. This new shaft extended the depth from its previous 3.6 km (2.2 mi), and will extend the mine's life to 2015.

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
You need to look for answers to the 'anunnaki' (or 'velon' if you prefer), outside Chris Tomas' worldview a little bit.

Okay, let's go beyond Chris Thomas.
This will then bring Michael Heiser into play on this...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=nbBvYxx1ODc

Mike Heiser's website: http://sitchiniswrong.com/

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

Posted by turiya (here)
Now where else, OnyxKnight, would you have gotten the idea that human beings have Annunaki genes in them? Except from the Zecharia Sitchin material. And, if Bill Ryan is true to his word, and I don't think there are many people that would think otherwise, then its very possible that the information that you had gotten (i.e. from Zecharia Sitchin's material) about the idea that human beings have Annunaki genes, then the very source of that idea could very well be "channeled" information.

Well, it doesn't matter whether or not you believe that there are a lot of people who think Bill has some dubious, or non-credible sources. Mine, or their own opinion of Bill remains unaffected. But his sources and their information will still be considered doubtful. This has spiked up with the latest interviews.

I see this is how logic works according to you, OnyxKnight.
I am sorry to say, but this is nothing but logic 'standing-on-its-head':

Bill Ryan presents a possible case scenario whereby Zecharia Sitchin, who many specialists & linguist scholars, in the field of ancient languages, have said that they doubt very much that Sitchin ever knew anything about the Sumerian language - let alone his ability to properly translate it. And, add that to Bill Ryan's account that someone who had worked closely with Sitchin reports to Bill saying to him that Sitchin didn't actually translate the Sumerian Tablets but had channeled that information from an Annunaki entity... the proper logic would be to then doubt whether Zecharia Sitchen's information/translation is accurate & correct, but surprisingly enough, OnyxKnight, you turn the whole thing around & doubt Bill's statement & his ability to discern correctly whether the source from where that information came from was trustworthy, as well as all the archeologists & language scholars that question whether Sitchin had the proper credentials to perform such a task.

It is unbelievable, is what I say, about what & how your logic is based. If anything, Sitchin should be doubted, not Bill Ryan and/or his posting of that information.

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

Posted by turiya (here)
Now, you have stated in Post #236:

"Genetics will always win an argument against channeled material. I'm sorry, but that's not a claim, that's a fact."

By now, you have no doubt read what Bill Ryan has said about Zecharia Sitchin receiving "channeled" material from the Annunaki through the method of 'automatic writing', so then please tell me, SamwiseTheBrave, Observer, & everyone else that comes to read this thread: From WHERE did you get your FACT(s) that human beings on planet Earth have Annunaki genes?

As far as where I got the information from - I have my own extraterrestrial contact (its not channeled), and I have cross referenced it with what a layman can find available on the net regarding physical evidence of it. I did mention them before (polydactyly, pallor, gigantism, and hyperdontia). All are related with a dominant mutagen series, and their expression in various forms, dating back before human species had any technological advancements whatsoever. Each condition is more dominant in certain population, but a combination of two expressed such conditions seem to be prevalent in the Middle East peoples, Nordic and Native American tribes.

Hey, OnyxKnight, by chance, are you a Raelian, or something? Just curious, now - is your extraterrestrial contact an Anunnaki, by chance? If not, then of what race? Cuz, personally, I never had the opportunity to meet someone who had an ET contact. I am quite interested, please tell me more.

Awaiting your expected interesting response
Cheers - turiya

[turiya]

Posted by Calamus (here)
""Then, I found a 'Walking in Energy' interview whereby Andrew Bartzis had jumped on a caller when he brought up the Metatron entity, and advised the caller to turn off his computer, yet Bartzis, himself, has held a Conference at Mt Shasta with Rob Potter, who appears to be extremely into the Ascended Master Teachings, GFOL, and channeled entities such as the Djwhal Khul entity that Chris Thomas has said was a Velon entity that had channeled material to Madame Blavatsky, and later Alice Bailey.""

turyia, do you have a reference for the bolded part that I could look up? thanks

[in the meantime I'm looking through the thread, as I see results about this elsewhere ]

Calamus, here is that reference you were asking about... click on the image & it will take you to the pdf.

Chris Thomas wrote:

In addition, there are hundreds of other organisations and individuals who channel
material to human channels claiming that they are here to help. All of these organisations and individuals are Velon. According to the Akashic, in the past thirty years, every (100%) channelled message received by human channels has originated from the Velon – no matter what source it is claimed the messages come from, the ones producing the messages are the Velon. The Velon have become such a problem that all of the other races have stopped channelling messages to human channels in the last thirty years.

If you receive any kind of channelled message, it will be from the Velon and no one else. It is not only channelled information that the Velon control.

The Velon also took control of the Bavarian Illuminati as soon as it was formed in 1776 and have been in total control of the Illuminati up until very recently. Many thousands of people, world-wide, are familiar with the translation work of Zecharia Sitchin and the Annunaki fantasy story that his translations tell. So many of these people see the Annunaki fantasy as being fact and believe that humans are a slave race created by the Annunaki and that the Annunaki planet, Nibiru, would return at the end of 2012 to claim us as slaves or take us to another planet.

All of this is Velon fantasy. The first of these Velon originated channelled messages, which became public, was in 1875 when the Russian occultist Madame Helene Paetrovna Blavatsky founded the Theosophical Society. Madame Blavatsky claimed that she was channelling messages from a group of Tibetan holy men from the Himalayas who called themselves “The Masters of Wisdom”. Her main contact with this group called himself Djwahl Kuhl. Unfortunately, these were Velon (see “Project Human Extinction” and “The Annunaki Plan? Or the Human Plan?”).

Since then, the floodgates seem to have opened, in terms of channelled messages, and they all have one thing in common – they all originate from the Velon.

In more recent years, the Velon have been encouraging people to believe in one source more than any other and that is “Angels”. In addition, the Velon keep trying to tell us that we need to “Ascend to the 5th Dimension” but we cannot achieve this on Earth so we have to “ascend” to another planet.
SOURCE:
The “6th” Sun - A Survival Guide by Chris Thomas (Pages 18-19)
© Chris Thomas 2013 -(1)

From Wikipedia there is this:

[B]Djwal Khul's name first appeared in the work of Madame Blavatsky, a co-founder of the Theosophical Society and author of "The Secret Doctrine", published in 1888, which was primarily written by Koot Hoomi and Morya, according to Blavatsky and others in the Mahatma letters.

turiya

[Milneman]

Just jumping in here out of the blue. Need some clarification in regards to "channeled" material, which for me is actually relevant at this stage of my exploring and wandering and discovering what happened to me.

First off, I've had contact experiences. Not pleasant, but not intolerable to recall so much now or remember. So if you'd like to ask, I'd love to answer any questions you may have about what they're like, what they do, what they say, you name it.

Secondly, what criteria do we use to evaluate channeled information, say, as opposed to information that we get from empirical measurements or testimony?

I'm not saying the information from the OP's are wrong...but what's the measuring stick to use to say they are right? And if I use this measuring stick to other "channeled" information, is it going to provide similar results? Is the measuring stick reliable?

Appreciate your input on this turiya.

[turiya]

Posted by Milneman (here)
Just jumping in here out of the blue. Need some clarification in regards to "channeled" material, which for me is actually relevant at this stage of my exploring and wandering and discovering what happened to me.

First off, I've had contact experiences. Not pleasant, but not intolerable to recall so much now or remember. So if you'd like to ask, I'd love to answer any questions you may have about what they're like, what they do, what they say, you name it.

Secondly, what criteria do we use to evaluate channeled information, say, as opposed to information that we get from empirical measurements or testimony?

I'm not saying the information from the OP's are wrong...but what's the measuring stick to use to say they are right? And if I use this measuring stick to other "channeled" information, is it going to provide similar results? Is the measuring stick reliable?

Appreciate your input on this turiya.

Hello Milneman,

Thanks for coming on & posting this with an offer to share this kind of information.
You say that you have had contact experiences which were not pleasant, but not intolerable to recall, at least as much as you remember. You can begin by laying down the background of how these contacts were first initiated, first remembered, what was unpleasant about them, what you felt was behind (the reason for) having the contact occur. Was there any desire on your part to have this kind of contact occur? Did you realize it was happening in real time? Or, was it just that you came to realize it, remember it, after the fact - as something that had occurred at some time in your past. Anything else you care to add to your experience would be of interest.

And, most certainly, at anytime you want to discontinue with putting out this information, it would be totally understood. Above all, do it as long as it feels good to you, in sort of "taking a weight off", or to feel to unload, or release this information from your body/mind.

I can only imagine that having this sort of thing occur & feeling that there wasn't a venue that you could find to express what you felt had occurred, would be left with feeling quite distressing, tensed over - as if unable to blow steam out of a pressure cooker. So please feel free to lay out what you feel to. I sense that it could be quite a healthy release if you have not been able to do this on a previous occasion.

Best regards - turiya

P.S. In that Robert Stanley interview, Chris was asked about the extent that channeled messages from entities go. Chris' response was quite interesting:

From Post #111:

"Lucifer, if you like, is the god of the Freemasons, is the god of the Illuminati. But also, Lucifer is [but] one of the personas that the Velon have taken on in their channeled material. So you get those kinds of connections going on as well. So it just becomes imprinted into how people think of channeled material.

From the other side, there’s a lot of clairvoyants & mediums screaming & shouting at me saying, “Well, what about… you know, I pass on messages from the deceased…” And so, you know, your great aunt dies, or your parents die or your grandmother dies, whatever… A lot of people obviously grieve a great deal and they want to know if the soul of the dearly departed is okay, if they had recovered from whatever the problems they had on Earth that made them die in the first place. And I have to say in my experience that, generally speaking, those channeled messages have not been interfered with because they are soul to soul communications between the medium & the soul of the departed. So, those, generally speaking, seem to be untouched as far as the Velon are concerned, because they can’t really break into that form of communication because its too personal. Its only when it becomes impersonal, then the problems begin. (Emphasis mind)

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Chris gives a little bit of his own account of "contact" with the race of aliens called the "Blues":

From Post #102:
I'll give you my experience. Some years ago, I woke up one morning knowing that something had happened during the night but I could not identify it. All I knew was that I had a very sore bottom (yes, the infamous anal probe is true - and they are not collecting farts). Gradually, I had recollections of being taken out of my bed and examined by the "Blues".

A couple of months after the first "abduction", it happened again. But, this time, I was aware of what was happening and I said (psychically) to the Blues carrying me: "you are not going to examine me again as I do not want you to. But, seeing as you are here, can I have a tour of the ship?" This they agreed to very happily and they gave me a full tour.

I haven't been "abducted" since.

The lesson here is that they turned up and asked my higher self if it was OK to take me for examination. As soon as I said no, they were happy not to do any more and they were all very friendly.

So that was my personal experience of abduction. But there are others. I have carried out extensive research on many levels about these hybrids and my conclusion is this:
THE VAST MAJORITY OF CLAIMED ABDUCTIONS ARE CARRIED OUT BY THE MILITARY, AND NOT ALIENS, AND THOSE ABDUCTED UNDERGO MIND CONTROL OR HYPNOSIS TO BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED WHATEVER IT WAS BUT DID NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN.
THEY ARE ALSO INDOCTRINATED TO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE HYBRIDS OF HUMANS/ALIENS OR HYBRIDS OF ALIEN RACES. THE MANTIS AND LION BEINGS DO NOT EXIST.

Since about the year 2000, very, very few abductions have been carried out by any alien race - they have all been by the military.

Because so many people are aware of the Grey race, they have been used by the military in their propaganda, misinformation and disinformation and so virtually every single story about Grey hybridisation is false and intended to add to confusion and fear. Don't forget that one of the next things on their "to do list" is an alien invasion of the Earth.

If they can make people believe that the Greys are the bad guys, they have a ready built argument to weaponise space (sorry, make the weapons they already have in space known).

Here's something else for you to have a look at, Milneman, its the Cameron Day article:

(Click on the article title below)
Why I Am No Longer a Light Worker
By Cameron Day, on August 23rd, 2013

[Robin]

Posted by turiya (here)
My clients have talked about the medium(s) channeling of St Germain, Arch-Angel Michael, Mary Magdalene, & one time I remember there was some information regarding George Washington that was said (can't quite remember what that was)... mmmm...

"George Washington, whose elevation to the status of 'god' is recorded
on a frieze in the Rotunda in Washington DC"

Posted by onawah (here)
But as for now, any details you can share on the Founding Fathers would be of interest and much appreciated.

Hi turiya,

I know I've given you some dissidence...but I really do appreciate your views and what Chris Thomas has to say. If you could elaborate at all on what you or Chris Thomas know about the Founding Fathers...I'd appreciate it!

[Kalamos]

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Posted by Calamus (here)
I believe the Astral Plane in Sanskrit might be referred to as Kama Loka, the location of Desire or Desire Plane. In some modern Esoterics it is referred to as the Emotional World. This World has several dimensions and sub-dimensions from whence the Spirit essence of extra-terrestrial beings might come through (my own theory). It is also suggested that each sub-plane of the Emotional World has it's very own Globe Memory specific to itself and the inhabitants of those planes, meaning there are dozens and dozens of so called 'akashic records' accessible to channelers and Astral travelers. (consider how different countries have slightly differing historical records depending on their views and persuasions regarding supposed facts).

Been reading...Kama Loka shows up in Hinduism, Buddhism and Theosophy. In Hinduism, Kama-Loka is the realm that the Kama-Deva (Hindu God of Love) and Kama-Rupa (desire) inhabit [source].

In Buddhism, there is kama-loka (world of feeling), rupa-loka (world of form) and arupa-loka (world of immaterial form) [source].

In Blavatsky's Theosophy, Kamaloka is the semi-material plane where disembodied personalities (the astral forms) called Kamarupa, remain until they fade [source].

Posted by Calamus (here)
In the Esoteric system I'm referring to (Pythagorean Hylozoics) there is [reference to] a true record of all the histories of the Physical, Emotional and Mental Worlds (the Mental World being above the Emotional/Astral, and has it's own sub-planes and records as well), and this record is referred to as the Planetary Record. It is however inaccessible to the above average clairvoyant, but only accessible by Highly Evolved persons on this Earth and above, who are considered not to speak of or release the information there outside of the authority of the Planetary Hierarchy. These are those sneaky Masters of Wisdom written about for a couple hundred years now; the very ones who are being impersonated on the Emotional and Mental Worlds, by the same forces that impersonate Aliens, perhaps, to many channelers (again, my theory).

Interesting stuff from the Henry T. Laurency Publishing Foundation! Much to read...

Posted by Calamus (here)
Regarding my theories, all of this channeled information, and implanted thoughts even from CT, are clever and intelligently designed distractions from the The Emotional World, which has it's place as a protective buffer to higher planes, as well as the function of influencing evil and darkness on this physical world, by design, for the purpose of the testing and development of human Souls.

This is just a perspective regarding these records we call Akashic Records, based off my own studies.

I've had my own "Akashic" reading. It seems to me that, channeling would be providing information from a source that had "new" or broad data to provide and/or lie about (for whatever reason). The lady I dealt with gave me information that was of my own history...things in my life that she couldn't possibly know. We've never met face to face and I've never been to her state. Why "channel" me back to me? Why not channel "you will be the great and powerful Oz" or something ridiculous like that. She also made it clear that she could not "tell the future" (something that Chris has mentioned; how do you tell a future that hasn't happened, yet). She said the "field" fluctuated too much with possibilities to predict anything (another aspect of one of the levels of the Akashic that Chris has mentioned). Most of the channelings I've heard about predict things or warn of things, or tell stories that aren't specific enough for one person.

Trust me. This lady did not lie to me. She connected puzzle pieces for me and shocked me with how much she "read" of my life. She definitely didn't channel anything. My feeling is that she is not as powerful a reader as Chris though she does mention a direct connection like he has...no guides necessary.

Thanks for the links!

~FireHorse

[Herbert]

I asked Chris to reply to a well-written and thoughtful, albeit confused comment taken from this thread.

The second question is about those who have been physically in contact with extra-terrestrials that may well be Velon in disguise who are taking them in through subtle flattery and in so doing, using them for dutifully spreading lies that confuse and serve to advance the Velon agenda.

QUESTION ONE

Chris I wonder if you would address the following comment made by someone regarding your Akashic readings.

“I'm pretty certain that in the mess of the Astral-Emotional and Mental Worlds (those dimensions where most of the channeled info comes from, and where 'travellers' and super-psychics access information) there are more than a few 'fake' akashic records setup by these Higher Intelligences. I'm suggesting that Chris Thomas might be being used, just as he suggests everyone else is. It's a clever tactic that will not go away anytime soon.”

I hope everyone will read each line very carefully in Chris' answer.

ANSWER FROM CHRIS THOMAS

Hi Herbert


In several of my books, I have tried to explain how the Akashic works and how channelling works - obviously this questioner needs to read my books!


Channelling is a process of one “entity” passing information to a receptive human.
This information can take many forms:


At its basic level, the channeller is communicating with the soul of a deceased relative in order to provide confirmation of the soul’s continuance after it leaves the physical body. This is usually achieved by passing on personal information that is, usually, only known to the person receiving it.


Then there are “friendly entities” out there who genuinely want to help humans in what we are trying to achieve on Earth whilst we are physical.

In the past, there were some very genuine messages of help and encouragement passed through.

Unfortunately, since the mid 1800’s, and the work of Madame Blavatsky, there has been an increasing number of messages that have been deliberately designed to mislead.

In more recent years, ALL channelled messages have originated either directly from a Velon source or the Velon have interfered with the channelled message in some way.

Today, every single channelled message is of a Velon source and is deliberately designed to mislead people into believing that the Velon, in all of their disguises, are our friends and are here to help us and “Ascend us to the 5th Dimension” (see my last essay about the 5th Dimension and its implications and impossibilities here on Earth).


Questions, such as the one you have passed on, only arise from people who have fallen for the channelled Velon fantasy stories but are realising that there is something not right about them.

If they come across my work, the realisation that they were wrong to listen to the Velon is confirmed but they do not want to back-track as that would mean that they would have to admit that they were duped.
In any case, to ask such a question means that the questioner has no knowledge of what the Akashic is and how it functions and has, again fallen for the Velon fantasy stories and their versions of what the Akashic is.


The real difference between channelled and what is recorded in the Akashic is probably this:
In the Akashic version, 7,000 years ago, we (humans collectively) set out on a chosen course of behaviour to learn how to re-integrate the whole of the soul back into the body. This we hoped to achieve by living a series of physical lifetimes (reincarnation) exploring every and all aspects of being physical.

Don’t forget that nobody else, throughout the whole of Creation, has ever experienced life at the level of energy compaction that allows them to build for themselves a truly “physical” body. So everything experienced on Earth was for the first time.

The process we set in place 7,000 years ago we called “The Human Plan” and we set ourselves a 7,000 year time limit. There are a number of reasons for this time limit - see my books.

Inherent within The Human Plan is personal responsibility - each and every soul who has travelled to Earth to be a part of this “human experiment” accepted full and total personal responsibility for their actions as well as a collective responsibility for the outcome of The Human Plan.

As we approached the end of our agreed time limit, new energies were connected to the planet to help us to complete our Plan - this was in August 1996.

With this new energy connected, it built pressure on every single person living on Earth to fulfil both their personal and collective responsibilities.

As the pressure for completion built people looked around for someone to take the blame for their failings but, more importantly, for someone, anyone, who would give them comfort and say “It’s OK, we’ll complete everything for you. You don’t have to worry; we will take you through Ascension”.

A very seductive message, particularly for those who did not want to live up to their personal and collective responsibilities.

This is how the Velon won so many converts and followers - they promised to do everything for humans without them having to take any kind of responsibilities either for themselves or responsibility for their failings.

Not only that, the Velon have recently been trying to bribe people into following them by promising to pay them anything up to $1,000,000. (mind you, if you read the small print on this offer, if you accept it, you have to sign a binding agreement to do everything the Velon tell you to do, without limit).


The "end date” of the Human Plan was the 29th of October 2011 with an allowed period for readjustment up to the 21st of December 2012.

Everybody woke up on the 22nd of December 2012 and said “What happened? We were supposed to Ascend. We should be in the 5th Dimension”.

Everyone who was working with the Akashic knew the reason why.

Everyone who was working with the Velon, in all of their disguises, looked around for someone or something to blame - god forbid that they would admit that they had been duped yet again!


I find the channelled messages that have appeared during this last year to be an unbelievable farce. The Velon, in all of their disguises, have back-tracked, twisted, lied and blamed humans for the failure of their promises. Yet people still fall for this c**p in their droves - all to avoid cleaning up their own mess and taking some responsibility for their lack of action.

It has seriously shocked me to discover that there are a huge number of people who honestly believe that their debts will be paid off, they will be given $1,000,000 and Ascended to the 5th Dimension. All this happening soon - as soon as the “star fleet” Ison rounds the sun and “saviour” Obama makes an announcement of Disclosure.


Given this level of delusion, is it any wonder that we did not meet our deadlines? Is it any wonder that the Earth took pity on our stupidity and is doing everything She can to help us to achieve our goals?

But even the Earth cannot wait forever - people must start to act responsibly to bring to an end their own part of The Human Plan as soon as possible.


A brief description of the Akashic.
The name Akashic is Sanskrit and means “Record”. It does not mean anything else.

The Akashic has been designed to record the events that occur within this Universe. It does not record personal histories, those are recorded in the individual’s DNA with a greater memory held by the whole of the soul.
In other words, in between lives, all of our memories of our existence is recorded, or memorised, within the total soul. When we choose to become physical, take on new life, the memories of our physical existences are downloaded into our DNA whilst the higher self keeps the memories of our soul origins and existences away from Earth.


The Akashic is woven into the energetic fabric of the Universe. Once an event has been recorded within the Akashic, it cannot be altered, neither can it be falsely added to.

If an event has occurred it is recorded, events that did not happen cannot be recorded as they did not happen. The Velon have made a huge number of attempts to take over the Akashic and alter its content to, for example, falsely claim that the Annunaki (one of the Velon races) are our makers.

The purpose of the Akashic is to record all events that occur within this Universe. It is directly connected to the Creator and it is through this connection (Akashic/Creator) that the Creator learns. This is why the Akashic is incorruptible - if it was possible to alter it, the Creator would not learn the truth and the existence of the Universe would be pointless.

To quote one documentary film maker: “Chris was born hard-wired into the Akashic”.

This means that I do not channel. This means that I do not work with “entities” outside of myself/higher self.

Whilst I have come under repeated attacks by the Velon, they cannot break or break into my soul/Akashic connection.

The only measure of whether anyone believes my/Akashic version of reality is to ask yourself “does this feel true?”

If it does, then that is good and you should move on with taking responsibility for completing your part of The Human Plan.

If it does not, then I suggest that you apply the same criteria to the channelled fantasy stories that are out there and you will see that not one single promise made by the entities that are being channelled has ever been kept.

The Akashic is very clear: It was each individual’s choice to travel to Earth in order to experience physical life and it was each individual’s choice to take part in The Human Plan. It is also each individual’s responsibility to complete their own part of The Human Plan.

We have human problems that require human solutions. No alien race could ever possibly understand what we have experienced, and achieved, here on Earth. So how could there be any other solution to our problems other that by humans taking personal responsibility to resolve them.

No one, throughout the whole of this Universe, or any other, can do it for us.

QUESTION TWO
A number of people do not channel but rather claim to be in physical contact with various races of extraterrestrial beings from the time they were children. They believe these beings are benevolent and are supplying them with information as to human history and human inability to solve their own problems; some speak of galactic wars and insectoids, lizards, etc. races. One of the more common physical interactions spoken of is with Tall, White Nordics who sometimes claim to be from around Orion.

Are these people being deceived by Velon posing as benign, benevolent beings of superior intelligence with the ulterior motive of undermining the human souls’ relationship with Earth and the task of clearing emotional blockages in order to make room for 100% soul integration into the physical body? And of course to prevent all the energetic advantages to be gained in terms of conscious awareness and discernment when the majority of humanity have accomplished this task.

ANSWER TO QUESTION TWO

As to the other question.
When I first wrote about the Velon race known as the Hathor, I had a very scathing letter from an elderly lady telling me how dare I say anything bad about her “friends" who she has had contact with since she was a young girl.

The Hathor are the Velon race who persuaded a group of gullible humans to construct two “celestoriums” into the Earth. A Celestorium is a copper shaft 100 m (333 feet) long and about 20 cm (8 in) diameter filled with programmed quartz crystals. Two of these Celestoriums were constructed pointing directly down into the earth. Control of these two devices was by the Hathor.

The devices were intended to act like tuning forks in that the Hathor could generate a resonance within the celestoriums. The first time that the first celestorium was resonated it became very clear that its purpose was to create energy frequencies that forcibly evicted the Earth’s consciousness out of the planet.

It also turns out that the clestoriums had a second function in that the resonance focussed on all of the members of the human group that built them and forced the physical aspect of their total soul out of their bodies ( I worked with/was in contact with a number of these people over the following couple of days and all of them confirmed the feeling of being forcibly evicted out of their bodies).

So we have the attempted destruction of the Earth’s own consciousness and the attempted removal of the souls of those who were the “friends” of the Hathor.
So much for that elderly lady’s “friends”.

I do not know . . .who these people posing as “Orion Nordics” are but the chances are that they are Velon.

According to the Akashic, there are no races originating from Orion - Orion is a “gateway” in and out of our solar system that leads to the realms of the six non-physical races and so Orion cannot possibly support a form of life that is not also non-physical in form - the non-physical races are so far removed from our own energy frequencies that they are totally undetectable to us.

The term “Tall White Nordics” has long been applied to the Velon as that is how they sometimes describe themselves.


Why do people want to make their lives so complicated?

Life is so simple: we are a soul who has chosen to build for itself a body in order to experience physical life.

We just need to wake up and get on with what we humans need to do and life will just be simple again.


Have a Cool Yule! (shows I’m an ageing hippy)

Best wishes
Chris

[turiya]

Posted by SamwiseTheBrave (here)

Posted by turiya (here)
My clients have talked about the medium(s) channeling of St Germain, Arch-Angel Michael, Mary Magdalene, & one time I remember there was some information regarding George Washington that was said (can't quite remember what that was)... mmmm...

"George Washington, whose elevation to the status of 'god' is recorded
on a frieze in the Rotunda in Washington DC"

Posted by onawah (here)
But as for now, any details you can share on the Founding Fathers would be of interest and much appreciated.

Hi turiya,

I know I've given you some dissidence...but I really do appreciate your views and what Chris Thomas has to say. If you could elaborate at all on what you or Chris Thomas know about the Founding Fathers...I'd appreciate it!

SamwiseTheBrave,

Concerning the Founding Fathers, Chris Thomas only points out the following:

Posted by Herbert (here)
note: of the 55 signatories to the American Constitution, 50 were known Freemasons.

- this may be a bit of a surprise to those that believe this country was founded on "Christian" principles.

The following is another Cross-Post (Post #16) from another thread:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

George Washington, a member of the Masons since 1752, in Masonic clothing.

Thanks, Amer Zo, for that added bit of information.
There is this too: According to Chris Thomas, George Washington was one of the original 19 members of the (Bavarian) Illuminati, a.k.a. "the modern Illuminati", when it was founded in 1776.

Chris Thomas writes:

When Rothschild and Weishaupt established the Illuminati in 1776, not only did they promise their fellow conspirators control of the world, they also offered immortality. The first members of the Illuminati numbered nineteen. At the head was Velus-1 (a.k.a. Lucifer), acting [as a "walk-in"] through Adam Weishaupt's body, together with five Annunaki who had taken on human body forms through the usual physical birth process [i.e. using Velon 'Me' technology]. Together with Rothschild, there were also twelve other humans (including George Washington, whose elevation to the status of a "god" is recorded on the frieze in the Rotunda in Washington D.C.). [This is where the quote came from that I place beneath the image (above) of George Washington in the frieze in the Rotunda.]

With one exception, these nineteen have remained the same ever since. Even without Velus' energy potential of keeping the human component of the Illuminati alive for something like 250 years, the ages of these people is not impossible, even in human terms. The oldest man who ever lived was a Chinese whose documentation showed that on death he was 256 years old. (The oldest man who ever lived - Li Chuen Yeun - born May 1677 in China, died in 1933.)
Project HUMAN EXTINCTION - The Ultimate Conspiracy by Chris Thomas, Chapter 6 (pages 152-153)

1798 - George Washington acknowledges that Illuminati activity has come to America:

"It is not my intention to doubt that the doctrine of the Illuminati and the principles of Jocobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more satisfied of this fact than I am."
Ibid, (page 106)

Most historians & supporters of the George Washington myth take this statement as one in which he is exposing the existence of that secret society. But such a view is somewhat naive if one understands that George Washington himself was, in fact, one of the original 19 members of the Illuminati.

That is all I have for you, SamwiseTheBrave.

cheers - turiya

[OnyxKnight]

This post above just concluded that Chris Tomas doesn't have a blank idea of what he is talking about. To dismiss things right off the bat like that without any knowledge or common sense is ridiculous to me. He has no idea what Orion is in the first place. I don't have to take anything else he has to say as valid from that point on.

Posted by turiya (here)
Hey, OnyxKnight, by chance, are you a Raelian, or something? Just curious, now - is your extraterrestrial contact an Anunnaki, by chance? If not, then of what race? Cuz, personally, I never had the opportunity to meet someone who had an ET contact. I am quite interested, please tell me more.

Awaiting your expected interesting response
Cheers - turiya

What is Raelian?

No, I'm not in contact with the 'anunnaki'. Its been multiple different species, but the reoccurring contacts have been human-looking (mostly). If you are interested in my personal experiences, I have a thread about them, you can take a look if you want.If you have more questions, we have a PM system, chat system and I've also made Skype available. I don't wish to suffocate this thread with personal experiences.

[OnyxKnight]

I also think its funny to paint your forefathers as some terrifying figures when in fact they created your constitution without which you'd be not here today most likely.

[Flash]

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
This post above just concluded that Chris Tomas doesn't have a blank idea of what he is talking about. To dismiss things right off the bat like that without any knowledge or common sense is ridiculous to me. He has no idea what Orion is in the first place. I don't have to take anything else he has to say as valid from that point on.

Posted by turiya (here)
Hey, OnyxKnight, by chance, are you a Raelian, or something? Just curious, now - is your extraterrestrial contact an Anunnaki, by chance? If not, then of what race? Cuz, personally, I never had the opportunity to meet someone who had an ET contact. I am quite interested, please tell me more.

Awaiting your expected interesting response
Cheers - turiya

What is Raelian?

No, I'm not in contact with the 'anunnaki'. Its been multiple different species, but the reoccurring contacts have been human-looking (mostly). If you are interested in my personal experiences, I have a thread about them, you can take a look if you want.If you have more questions, we have a PM system, chat system and I've also made Skype available. I don't wish to suffocate this thread with personal experiences.

Say yes, you are Raelian and that sect might invite you in Canada, their head office is located not far from Montréal. lol They proclaim knowing about ET but my bet is there is lots of money involved and a harem for the chief.

[Kalamos]

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