The "Hitler" Speech They (Don't) Want You To Hear..!

[Tony]

"CONSPIRACY"
This film was taken from transcripts from the actual meeting.

Conspiracy is a television film which dramatizes the 1942 Wannsee Conference.
The film delves into the psychology of Nazi officials involved in the "Final Solution of the Jewish Question" during World War II.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tPIctGbAZEQ

[Andrew]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
"CONSPIRACY"
This film was taken from transcripts from the actual meeting.

Conspiracy is a television film which dramatizes the 1942 Wannsee Conference.
The film delves into the psychology of Nazi officials involved in the "Final Solution of the Jewish Question" during World War II.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tPIctGbAZEQ

I would like to see this document from which this film was made and compare the two. For one is nothing without the other.

[Deleted added edit due to irrelevance]

[Agape]

I'm sure that I've posted this ( but long ago ) here already .. but many supportive documents can be found in the archives of the Yale Law School ,
in what they accidentally call The Avalon Project

especially in the Nuremberg Trials Collection :

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/imt.asp

The Wannsee Protocol :

Wannsee Protocol, January 20, 1942
Wannsee Protocol, January 20, 1942

Stamp: Top Secret
30 copies
16th copy
Minutes of discussion.
I. The following persons took part in the discussion about the final solution of the Jewish question which took place in Berlin, am Grossen Wannsee No. 56/58 on 20 January 1942.

II.

At the beginning of the discussion Chief of the Security Police and of the SD, SS-Obergruppenfuehrer Heydrich, reported that the Reich Marshal had appointed him delegate for the preparations for the final solution of the Jewish question in Europe and pointed out that this discussion had been called for the purpose of clarifying fundamental questions. The wish of the Reich Marshal to have a draft sent to him concerning organizational, factual and material interests in relation to the final solution of the Jewish question in Europe makes necessary an initial common action of all central offices immediately concerned with these questions in order to bring their general activities into line.

The Reichsfuhrer-SS and the Chief of the German Police (Chief of the Security Police and the SD) was entrusted with the official central handling of the final solution of the Jewish question without regard to geographic borders.

The Chief of the Security Police and the SD then gave a short report of the struggle which has been carried on thus far against this enemy, the essential points being the following:

a) the expulsion of the Jews from every sphere of life of the German people,

b) the expulsion of the Jews from the living space of the German people.

In carrying out these efforts, an increased and planned acceleration of the emigration of the Jews from Reich territory was started, as the only possible present solution.

By order of the Reich Marshal, a Reich Central Office for Jewish Emigration was set up in January 1939 and the Chief of the Security Police and SD was entrusted with the management. Its most important tasks were

a) to make all necessary arrangements for the preparation for an increased emigration of the Jews,

b) to direct the flow of emigration,

c) to speed the procedure of emigration in each individual case.

The aim of all this was to cleanse German living space of Jews in a legal manner.

All the offices realized the drawbacks of such enforced accelerated emigration. For the time being they had, however, tolerated it on account of the lack of other possible solutions of the problem.

The work concerned with emigration was, later on, not only a German problem, but also a problem with which the authorities of the countries to which the flow of emigrants was being directed would have to deal. Financial difficulties, such as the demand by various foreign governments for increasing sums of money to be presented at the time of the landing, the lack of shipping space, increasing restriction of entry permits, or the cancelling of such, increased extraordinarily the difficulties of emigration. In spite of these difficulties, 537,000 Jews were sent out of the country between the takeover of power and the deadline of 31 October 1941. Of these

approximately 360,000 were in Germany proper on 30 January 1933

approximately 147,000 were in Austria (Ostmark) on 15 March 1939

approximately 30,000 were in the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia on 15 March 1939.

The Jews themselves, or their Jewish political organizations, financed the emigration. In order to avoid impoverished Jews' remaining behind, the principle was followed that wealthy Jews have to finance the emigration of poor Jews; this was arranged by imposing a suitable tax, i.e., an emigration tax, which was used for financial arrangements in connection with the emigration of poor Jews and was imposed according to income.

Apart from the necessary Reichsmark exchange, foreign currency had to presented at the time of landing. In order to save foreign exchange held by Germany, the foreign Jewish financial organizations were - with the help of Jewish organizations in Germany - made responsible for arranging an adequate amount of foreign currency. Up to 30 October 1941, these foreign Jews donated a total of around 9,500,000 dollars.

In the meantime the Reichsfuehrer-SS and Chief of the German Police had prohibited emigration of Jews due to the dangers of an emigration in wartime and due to the possibilities of the East.

III. Another possible solution of the problem has now taken the place of emigration, i.e. the evacuation of the Jews to the East, provided that the Fuehrer gives the appropriate approval in advance.

These actions are, however, only to be considered provisional, but practical experience is already being collected which is of the greatest importance in relation to the future final solution of the Jewish question.

Approximately 11 million Jews will be involved in the final solution of the European Jewish question, distributed as follows among the individual countries:


Country Number
A.
Germany proper 131,800
Austria 43,700
Eastern territories 420,000
General Government 2,284,000
Bialystok 400,000
Protectorate Bohemia and Moravia 74,200
Estonia - free of Jews -
Latvia 3,500
Lithuania 34,000
Belgium 43,000
Denmark 5,600
France / occupied territory 165,000
France / unoccupied territory 700,000
Greece 69,600
Netherlands 160,800
Norway 1,300
B.
Bulgaria 48,000
England 330,000
Finland 2,300
Ireland 4,000
Italy including Sardinia 58,000
Albania 200
Croatia 40,000
Portugal 3,000
Rumania including Bessarabia 342,000
Sweden 8,000
Switzerland 18,000
Serbia 10,000
Slovakia 88,000
Spain 6,000
Turkey (European portion) 55,500
Hungary 742,800
USSR 5,000,000
Ukraine 2,994,684
White Russia excluding Bialystok 446,484
Total over 11,000,000


Read for yourself I suggest , I'm not sure but think that a copy of the original document could be released on FOIA request nowadays .


Note .. It's only logical that the numbers were estimates, perhaps exaggerated ( by the Germans themselves ) but if you continue reading further,
the protocol specified treatment and inclusion of second and third generation of people who were partially 'Jewish' or adopted the faith by marrying 'Jewish' partner etc.

[Andrew]

Conspiracy is a television film which dramatizes the 1942 Wannsee Conference.

[Tony]

Posted by Andrew (here)
I would like to see this document from which this film was made and compare the two. For one is nothing without the other.

Does this help? It is the minutes of the Wannsee Conference.

http://prorev.com/wannsee.htm

[Milneman]

Posted by Andrew (here)
I find it funny how you cant get past the horrors of one side and completely forget about the horrors the otherside did. It's like it was all one-sided to you guys, you seem to overlook the allies dropped two Atomic bombs and had there own camps killed many babies, children, teenagers, adults, elderly, retarded, gays, whole generations of families wiped out (exterminated!), but who cares right? Hitler was the evil guy the allies weren't so thats ok.

Why dont we start from the beginning before all the evil occured and work your way through the War step by step to see why the atrocities happened?

Andrew.

I'd be pleased as punch to start posting about the atrocities committed by Stalin, Mao, and others! In fact! Why don't we just apply the same methodology we seem to be using to Hitler to Stalin, and then Mao, and then Pol Pot, and then....then we can start saying they weren't as bad as we made them out to be, so they must have something valuable to contribute to human thought, and then maybe we can start saying they weren't all that bad after all!

Let's face it. At the bottom of this is the possibility that you're right. War is bad. People did bad things during war. It was bad. Yes.

And if you trace back over the aeons, you're still left wondering, "who do we blame?" Cain? Abel? Who?

I have another question. Instead of tracing back through the ages to find out "who" is responsible, "who" is to blame, why don't we think about why we aren't taking responsibility NOW for what happened THEN?

I will say it again. Who cares if the numbers are this, or that, it happened. Deal with it.

If you'd like to start a thread about Allied Atrocities I'll be the first to jump on that band wagon with you.

I'm sick of the general idea society seems to have that if you can find someone else to blame it'll make it better for you.

The real illuminati, the one that nobody ever thinks about as being in control, is the one looking back at you in the mirror.

Think about that.

---edit---

I have to say this.

I think what I find so insidious about this entire thread is not the idea that people are questioning the numbers, or that people are asking if other sides involved in the conflict were "as" bad or were "responsible" in some way for what happened. What I find sickening is that people are pussy footing around what they're really trying to say. Namely, Hitler was a victim, and as a victim, needs to be vindicated along with the German people at the time. That the Japanese somehow didn't deserve to be the brunt of the atomic bomb, that somehow the greater "conspiracy" is being overshadowed by what the "accepted" facts of the history are saying.

Balderdash! What complete and utter balderdash!

Do German people still feel war guilt? Somehow I doubt it! Are German people still made to feel war guilt? I doubt that even more. Are people inclined to use the guilt as a reason to prop up their systems and theories? Oh, you better believe I think that's more acceptable to believe than the entire nation of Germany still trying to crawl out from under WWII war guilt.

Human beings are sick. They fight their potential by denying it in deference for immediate gratification and the higher up they are in the social stratus, the power game, the more amplified this becomes. This is what I think people are trying to say here in this thread. However, what's coming out is that history is somehow showing the bad guys as the good guys, and vice versa.

When you say Hitler was a victim....and the allies were the bad guys...you're playing right into the game they want you to play. Few posts back I asked, are we seriously having this discussion?

In hindsight, I think the fact that we are demonstrates the intentions of the people posting, and it affirms my belief in humanity and human evolution. Some of us are going to make it to the next step, and some of us are going to hold onto their mistaken beliefs, their hate, their anger, their need to be right, and stay where they are.

I really don't think I want to play this game anymore. You guys can play with yourselves. I'm done with this .... bs.

[carriellbee]

The 6 million number seems high to me, but the <300,000 seems low because there are photographs and films of mass graves, of piles of bodies being pushed into graves by bulldozers, etc. It is possible that some of those are fake, but the images of starving people are real.

The leaders on each side of WWII were pawns in a much larger game that continues to this day, as we are now beginning to discern.

Getting to the the truth about the holocaust is important to me, but I won't go any further down this rabbit hole. The bottom line is that we cannot trust anything we think we know about anything because we have been lied to about so very much for so very long.

[Milneman]

Posted by carriellbee (here)
The 6 million number seems high to me, but the <300,000 seems low because there are photographs and films of mass graves, of piles of bodies being pushed into graves by bulldozers, etc. It is possible that some of those are fake, but the images of starving people are real.

The leaders on each side of WWII were pawns in a much larger game that continues to this day, as we are now beginning to discern.

Getting to the the truth about the holocaust is important to me, but I won't go any further down this rabbit hole. The bottom line is that we cannot trust anything we think we know about anything because we have been lied to about so very much for so very long.

Lady, don't you dare allow yourself to be a victim of skepticism.

You CAN know truth, you CAN know facts, you CAN know things for certain. How many times do I have to write this. It doesn't matter about the numbers, it happened, get over it.

Are people bad? You bet your life they are.

Was Hitler bad? You bet your life he was!

Did the Allies have other motives? You better believe they did! But not what some of the people in this thread are leading others to believe.

Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, RAGE! Against the dying of the light!!!

[Cidersomerset]

"CONSPIRACY"
This film was taken from transcripts from the actual meeting.

Conspiracy is a television film which dramatizes the 1942 Wannsee Conference.
The film delves into the psychology of Nazi officials involved in the "Final Solution of the Jewish Question" during World War II.

I watched this at the time and it is a very sobering account of how, human beings can be reduced to bureaucratic cattle being
made ready for the slaughter. The biggest debate is how quick to eliminate them or delay killing some, to keep the war industries going.

The sad thing I can picture a similar debate by some today !!



“Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature”

— Georgia Guidestones




http://prof77.wordpress.com/2011/10/...-want-us-dead/

[carriellbee]

Posted by Milneman (here)

Lady, don't you dare allow yourself to be a victim of skepticism.

You CAN know truth, you CAN know facts, you CAN know things for certain. How many times do I have to write this. It doesn't matter about the numbers, it happened, get over it.

Are people bad? You bet your life they are.

Was Hitler bad? You bet your life he was!

Did the Allies have other motives? You better believe they did! But not what some of the people in this thread are leading others to believe.

Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, RAGE! Against the dying of the light!!!

Thanks for the reminder, Milneman. I know that we can know anything and everything. The problem I have is that I don't know how to get there from here.

Thanks for the Dylan Thomas quote. I have always loved that poem.

And here is something I just have to share. After I had submitted my last comment, I noticed this and thought it was kind of cool.

[Andrew]

So what your saying is that it doesn't matter if it was a mass evacuation gone wrong or a successful extermination?

Surely it does.

If all those people died because they were abandoned and no supplies could reach the camps is a huge point to understand.

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by Andrew (here)
So what your saying is that it doesn't matter if it was a mass evacuation gone wrong or a successful extermination?

Surely it does.

If all those people died because they were abandoned and no supplies could reach the camps is a huge point to understand.

What point would that be?

Are we gonna measure that on a scale? Are we going to measure that way the atrocities done today? Maybe give some of the elite a free pass because their resume is not that bloody compared to the rest of their "colleagues"?

I don't think you people even know what you are debating here at all.

[Milneman]

Posted by Andrew (here)
So what your saying is that it doesn't matter if it was a mass evacuation gone wrong or a successful extermination?

Surely it does.

If all those people died because they were abandoned and no supplies could reach the camps is a huge point to understand.

One question. Why would mass evacuation require Zyklon B?

Your hypothesis is wildly counter intuitive at best!

If I didn't know any better? I would say you were trolling!
Hmm!

[Agape]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)

"CONSPIRACY"
This film was taken from transcripts from the actual meeting.

Conspiracy is a television film which dramatizes the 1942 Wannsee Conference.
The film delves into the psychology of Nazi officials involved in the "Final Solution of the Jewish Question" during World War II.

I watched this at the time and it is a very sobering account of how, human beings can be reduced to bureaucratic cattle being
made ready for the slaughter. The biggest debate is how quick to eliminate them or delay killing some, to keep the war industries going.

The sad thing I can picture a similar debate by some today !!



“Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature”

— Georgia Guidestones




http://prof77.wordpress.com/2011/10/...-want-us-dead/

I know what you mean ... but the whole Georgia Guidestone conspiracy sounds equally stupid to me as well ,

check this thread please : https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...man-population

'Maintain populace' and 'Unite humanity with a living new language' ..etc. etc. ..sure we are talking of Utopia here that won't happen any soon

and certainly NOT by killing people off !!!

Now tell me this... is the Bible ( not ) talking of subtle utopia with all its laws imposed on human society .. laws that do not work ?

Are Vedas (not) talking of utopia when they mention times of the Satya Yuga , the Golden Age when everyone is righteous , good, speaks the truth, helps each other etc .

Is any other important world scripture (not) talking of Utopia and obviously, while it's not happening 'right now' does it mean they are all wrong,

does it mean that mankind should ( metaphorically ) burn their old scriptures ( Mao has done , so did many others ) and declare 'we are pure monkey-humans , we will do what we feel like to do , to be us, to be free ?''

My point is .. we are talking of 2 different planes of understanding here ...

one based on fear and injustice, fear of the industry killing us all , knowingly or unknowingly , fear based on past experiences with pervert humans who misinterpreted and misused ancient scriptures and wisdoms and used violence to maintain rule and order .

The other is peaceful plane of understanding , reminding us that there are ways to live in peace ,
you say 'we don't know how' . But surely there has to be a way ..

[Andrew]

That document talks about a mass evacuation not extermination, it's not me saying it, read it yourself.

For Zyklon B I have no idea, you tell me.

I'm not going down this road anymore it's obviously not up for debate.

[Milneman]

Andrew,

What did they use Zyklon B for?

What does your common sense tell you they used it for?

Are you not going down the road because it leads to what you know is the truth, or because you just would rather not admit you might be wrong?

Just sayin.

[OnyxKnight]

Andrew, its you making "the point" (one which you didn't explain). So yes, stand behind your words.

[Agape]

Posted by Andrew (here)
So what your saying is that it doesn't matter if it was a mass evacuation gone wrong or a successful extermination?

Surely it does.

If all those people died because they were abandoned and no supplies could reach the camps is a huge point to understand.

There had to be a cover-up called 'evacuation' else people would not line up to be taken away . Sure they were told they are going to be 'evacuated' to Palestine .
That's what they believed, that's what they got them on.

They realised they are 'unwanted' among whom they called 'gentiles' , 'non-jews' but it's their own faith and adherence to their faith they were caught on,
given yellow stars to wear , collected to ghetos under strong guard , with martial law declared in all occupied territories .

Those who realised something is wrong and could hide, with relatives or 'good people' who risked their own lives by hiding families and individuals, under floor till the end of the war since the Nazis and their spies checked civilian households often ,
they survived .

Those who believed the official propaganda that time and did as they were told or had no choice anyway because they were known and too visible
were sent to ghetos , Warszaw was turned to one for example , with people stuck by tens in flats for months, allegedly prepared to be 'evacuated' to far east ..
they thought to Palestine .

From these ghetos already there was very little chance to escape as all was under German guard ( and any national guard who worked for Germans ) .

Such were in France, Italy, Poland, Bohemia , Austria , Hungary, all over Europe .

In 1942/43 , after the battle at Stalingrad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad

which itself is very controversial topic historically when Germans suffered heavy loss and realised the military power they're up and against with,
they had to take steps back from what they thought will be their territory .

They started to fear losing the war ..as stupid as it sounds .. and there was nowhere to go with the people they camped so more radical solution had to be implicated though ,
I doubt it was not in plan forwards .

It's from these ghetos that people were sent to extermination camps . No one came alive from there unless they were liberated by all of the 3 armies progressing .

[3optic]

Posted by Milneman (here)
Take a deep look into the book, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"...all your answers are there.

Again, let me ask you. What does you theory prop up? What are you trying to protect, and what are you saying the cover up is trying to protect?

I've asked this several times now in this thread and I"m not sure if people just don't know, or just don't have the gonads to tell me what they really believe.

If you are going to a make a plea to our natural senses, you may want to use photos and data that are actually relevant and corroborated. Specifics are important otherwise we're just throwing horrifying images and facts around for the sake of making a commotion.

Speak of the devil, let's go back to the OP.

Again....will someone please have the guts to tell me what their conspiracies about the numbers prove? Or are we just going to pretend that this isn't anti-semitism.

If you'd like me to pull out Mein Kampf again and pull the direct quotes about the "deliberate extermination" of the jews, I'd be delighted.

However, I'm sensing a definite feeling of indifference. Sure, I might have screwed up. I'll man up. My bad, forgive please.

Let me repeat. Who cares. It happened.

272 posts...and we're still arguing about the number of corpses...... Why?? Would someone please tell me why??

Not sure how wanting to understand history is antisemitic. This is a fatuous argument. I'm actually in the middle of Rise and Fall. As I said, I have no dog in this fight, I'm only interested in what happened. I've spent most my life using the story of the holocaust and Nazi oppression as a point of reference. If I've been wrong, I want to know how so I can be more accurate. This is a service to victims and families. Not a detriment

There's a ring of truth to the Fred Leutcher interview and David Irving's talk which didn't seem to me to be a racist rally. I'm not sure what the motivation would be to cling to a highly unpopular false narrative at the cost of one's career and reputation.

You ask will someone have the guts to tell you some theory or other. Why? It's too early for me, frankly. I'm just trying to sort through the info. There can be any number of reasons for falsifying data. Wouldn't be the first time and wont be the last. Were the allies trying to deflect their own atrocities (of which there are many and one of which, the bombing of the civilian target Dresden by the allies Irving is famous for exposing.. I actually spoke to an eye witness of this event's aftermath. She seemed incredulous that no one in the US seemed to want to acknowledge or were even aware of this huge and outrageous atrocity)? Sounds reasonable. But you may be correct.. or partly correct. I don't know.. may never know.

I'd recommend you watch Irving's talk and stay open and critical, and not calamitously and hysterically throw out images and platitudes that don't shed any light, just serve to deepen the wedge between the 2 sides of the discussion. I think we are allowed to explore this with the freedom and critical thinking necessary. Enough with the dogmatism. I want what you want: to know.

[3optic]

Posted by loungelizard (here)

Posted by 3optic (here)
Secondly, David Irving is offering a handsome reward on his site if you can prove Hitler gave these orders.

Here is a copy of the court ruling, along with a letter of apology from the IHR.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people...n.order.072285

Thanks. This link is very helpful

Yes you got me, it is on the cheap side. To be fair it was offered in the early 1970s. I'm assuming he hasn't the deepest of pockets being an historian

PS. I would like to know how he proved his case. Is it based on his eye witness testimony alone? Is there a link to this part of the ruling?