Cannabis legislation / legalization

[blufire]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by blufire (here)
I couldn’t . . . . not thousands of acres in one growing season . . . no more than I could grow thousands of acres of corn or soy beans without genetic modification.

. . . . and I am a master grower/farmer with 30+ years of experience.

Agriculture (in some form) has been going on for 10,000 years. Greed-driven opportunists have been genetically modifying corn, soy, beets, alfalfa, etc for less than 30 years. I grew up in Ohio and visited relatives in Nebraska. Between my home state and in my travels, I saw hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of acres of corn, wheat, beans...later soy beans. ALL of those thousands of acres of food were non-GMO, because GMO had not been "invented" by the Dark Ones that want to control all food. There was no boost of ANY sort when GMO seeds were developed and sold. No boost in nutrition, no boost in drought-resistance, no boost in wilt resistance... only a boost in profits for the Dark Forces.

YOU may have convinced yourself that thousands of acres of crops cannot be grown without GMO, but it has already been done, for decades and decades. That is not conjecture. It has been done. There was enough to feed all the people domestically, all the cattle and pigs and fowl, and giant ships full of NON-GMO crops grown in the US were shipped around the world. Do you remember this? Do you know this is true? GMOs provide no benefits to society at all, only to the Dark Ones.

Okay . . . .I guess I have to just keep trying to refute misinformation or just give up . . . . Call the dogs and piss on the fire (difficult for a woman)

Dennis you and I are about the same age (I’m 54) and so we would remember and have experienced the same events, even though, I can surmise that me growing up in Appalachia and then living the last 25 years in Kansas and your growing up and past would differ and allow us to contribute different perspectives on those same events and history.

You speak of those 1,000 of acres of corn, soy beans and wheat when you were young and your insistence they were not GMO or genetically engineered.
. . . .well you would be categorically wrong my friend, because they were. Genetic engineering began in the early 70’s and all those fields you saw as a child were already being treated with pre-emergent and post-emergent herbicides. ALL the different seed companies created their own compatible seed/chemicals combinations. At that time and into the late 80’s farmers had to buy that specific combination of seed and chemicals that would take each crop into harvest.
From the mid 80’s and moving forward came the extreme engineering of crops and farming methods or the GMO and massive biotechnology we have today.

I have posted this several times before on PA and I guess I just keep posting. It is categorically and simply IMPOSSIBLE for a farmer to farm by the old method (plowing, harrowing, planting, cultivating (min of 2 during growing), and harvesting over 200 acres. There are ‘windows’ of time that seed have to be planted . . . too early it won’t germinate or rot in the ground, too late in burns up in the sun and heat. The growing season is limited to a few months of the year. Harvest has to happen before the winter and snow sets in.

There is literally not enough time in the day, days in the month or months in the growing season to grow more than 200 +/- acres in the ‘old way’. I KNOW this personally because I farmed 30 acres in Kansas in the ‘old way’.

Think of the Amish and Mennonites . . . look at their farms and how many acres they farm . . . you won’t find any that are over 40-80 acres, individually. But, the Amish communities as a whole work together and help farm each others acreage and are very efficient.

I feel you and others almost desperately need me to be wrong on this . . . but I am not. I have lived it personally and worked closely for years with conventional farmers and understand thoroughly WHY they had no other option other than to convert to gmo farming. But there are farmers (like me) who will never convert to chemical farming and will always teach the old ways of farming and homesteading.

We have to have both. I see this now. Do I like it? No. But neither do I like the idea of people starving by the tens of thousands as we saw until chemical farming.
Do YOU remember this Dennis . . . . in the 60’s and through the 70’s? All the thousands that died in the 3rd world countries and even the 1st world countries on a daily basis?

But I guess you or Grip will say that too was false information put out by the Evil Dark Ones. . . . .

[blufire]

Posted by jackovesk (here)

Posted by sigma6 (here)
haven't read all the posts, but just wanted to get my two cents in!

They want in on the ground floor, this is something new, outside of their control, and they want to start collecting and analyzing the data from day one, that is how these people operate, they want to figure out the politics, economics and social interpretation before anyone else...

Another thing I heard the legalization isn't the way to go, it should be decriminalization. Legalization implies government licensing, control manipulation, and that is where these Skanker Kings could have a huge influence, they could try to come in there, finance everything and take control.

KEEP IT SIMPLE ... YOU KNOW THESE GUYS CAN'T BE TRUSTED... THEY ONLY HAVE ONE INTEREST... CONTROL...

If I was Mujica, I'd have 24 hour surveillance on those guys and tell them to take their filthy blood money and get the hell out of my damned country.

.....

My twist on this is ‘They’ are the ones that have been orchestrating the whole thing from day one and many years ago

They are simply implementing the next phase . . . . to the NWO.

This (legalization and mass producing cannabis) is simply a ‘tool’.

Mujica seems to be a very smart cookie. My guess is he knows this (the nwo implementation) and is using it to his and his country’s advantage. He knows it won’t and can’t be stopped but he can certainly set certain ground rules and grab this opportunity. Why not his country? “They’ would simply go somewhere else and then destroy his country.

We could learn from this leader. Watch carefully. Understand. Choose. Adapt. Calculate strategy. Use whatever you can to your advantage.

[TargeT]

Posted by blufire (here)
It is categorically and simply IMPOSSIBLE for a farmer to farm by the old method (plowing, harrowing, planting, cultivating (min of 2 during growing), and harvesting over 200 acres. There are ‘windows’ of time that seed have to be planted . . . too early it won’t germinate or rot in the ground, too late in burns up in the sun and heat. The growing season is limited to a few months of the year. Harvest has to happen before the winter and snow sets in.

There is literally not enough time in the day, days in the month or months in the growing season to grow more than 200 +/- acres in the ‘old way’. I KNOW this personally because I farmed 30 acres in Kansas in the ‘old way’.

ahh, ok I see what you were saying, I have no clue if the plant could be grown like that; that's far out side of my realm of experience.. it IS a "weed" and competes very well with other plants (no herbicides needed really) but it is vulnerable to pests (spider mites are the ones I hate most...) I'm not sure how this would play in out side.

is it currently being grown in 100+ acre lots? I don't know, maybe in Canada?

[blufire]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by blufire (here)
It is categorically and simply IMPOSSIBLE for a farmer to farm by the old method (plowing, harrowing, planting, cultivating (min of 2 during growing), and harvesting over 200 acres. There are ‘windows’ of time that seed have to be planted . . . too early it won’t germinate or rot in the ground, too late in burns up in the sun and heat. The growing season is limited to a few months of the year. Harvest has to happen before the winter and snow sets in.

There is literally not enough time in the day, days in the month or months in the growing season to grow more than 200 +/- acres in the ‘old way’. I KNOW this personally because I farmed 30 acres in Kansas in the ‘old way’.

ahh, ok I see what you were saying, I have no clue if the plant could be grown like that; that's far out side of my realm of experience.. it IS a "weed" and competes very well with other plants (no herbicides needed really) but it is vulnerable to pests (spider mites are the ones I hate most...) I'm not sure how this would play in out side.

is it currently being grown in 100+ acre lots? I don't know, maybe in Canada?

Oh thank, you thank, you thank you TargeT. . . . finally somebody is starting to get it!

There are no doubt in my mind there are test fields in several locations throughout the world growing cannabis that will eventually be grown on a commercial and mass scale. The genetics of this cannabis is being tweaked with each generation of growing.

Every aspect of cannabis is being bioengineered from the chemical/medical properties to how it is grown and processed into the final product.

These ‘test fields’ have been planted with seed that is bioengineered in the ‘special greenhouses’, like I was approached to do.

Again the fact Rockefeller and Soros and other ‘big wigs’ being involved is a clincher and no brainer that this is what is occurring. Remember in order for them to make the trillions of dollars cannabis has to be either synthesized or genetically altered to be able to patent the seed, growing process and final product.

Remember . . . no one can patent or have exclusive rights on a plant that grows naturally.

I hope MANY small and specialized growers (like your friends TargeT) see this opportunity and capitalize on it. Just like the small organic farmers, there will be a huge demand and need for cannabis that has not been genetically bioengineered.

Big HINT here folks . . . . .

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by blufire (here)
You speak of those 1,000 of acres of corn, soy beans and wheat when you were young and your insistence they were not GMO or genetically engineered.
. . . .well you would be categorically wrong my friend, because they were. Genetic engineering began in the early 70’s and all those fields you saw as a child were already being treated with pre-emergent and post-emergent herbicides. ALL the different seed companies created their own compatible seed/chemicals combinations. At that time and into the late 80’s farmers had to buy that specific combination of seed and chemicals that would take each crop into harvest.
From the mid 80’s and moving forward came the extreme engineering of crops and farming methods or the GMO and massive biotechnology we have today.

I have posted this several times before on PA and I guess I just keep posting. It is categorically and simply IMPOSSIBLE for a farmer to farm by the old method (plowing, harrowing, planting, cultivating (min of 2 during growing), and harvesting over 200 acres. There are ‘windows’ of time that seed have to be planted . . . too early it won’t germinate or rot in the ground, too late in burns up in the sun and heat. The growing season is limited to a few months of the year. Harvest has to happen before the winter and snow sets in.

There is literally not enough time in the day, days in the month or months in the growing season to grow more than 200 +/- acres in the ‘old way’. I KNOW this personally because I farmed 30 acres in Kansas in the ‘old way’.

Perhaps not enough hours in the day for one man (or woman) to do it ... that's why they had hired hands and tractors (or several teams of horses, before then.)

My dad was such a hired hand, in the late 1940's, after he returned from being on Guadalcanal in the South Pacific during World War II, and he took me on a trip around the US, including through the corn fields of Iowa, in the mid 1960's. Those corn fields stretched as far as the eye could see, which is quiet a ways in very flat Iowa and Kansas, if one happened to drive over a slight rise. One could literally hear the corn growing at night, and one could see bazillions of stars in the sky, when one had the good eyes of youth, back when the air was clear and the lights of civilization few.

With the advent of tractors in large number, after World War II, when American industry turned to domestic products, the size of the American farm grew steadily. The banks would lend money to consolidate small family farms into the giant agribusiness farms we have today.

Observe that the average farm size had already exceeded 200 acres by 1950.

I also read in the history books that the farmers in the midwest (central US) exported enough food, at low enough prices, in the second half of the 1800's to put many a European farmer out of business, once the railroads and steam ships of the Robber Barons were up and running. Apparently American farming did to some European family farms in the late 1800's what Chinese manufacturing has now done to American industry in the late 1900's and early 2000's.

That you would base a rebuttal on the unstated and untrue assumption that farmers didn't have hired hands ... not a good sign.

[blufire]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by blufire (here)
You speak of those 1,000 of acres of corn, soy beans and wheat when you were young and your insistence they were not GMO or genetically engineered.
. . . .well you would be categorically wrong my friend, because they were. Genetic engineering began in the early 70’s and all those fields you saw as a child were already being treated with pre-emergent and post-emergent herbicides. ALL the different seed companies created their own compatible seed/chemicals combinations. At that time and into the late 80’s farmers had to buy that specific combination of seed and chemicals that would take each crop into harvest.
From the mid 80’s and moving forward came the extreme engineering of crops and farming methods or the GMO and massive biotechnology we have today.

I have posted this several times before on PA and I guess I just keep posting. It is categorically and simply IMPOSSIBLE for a farmer to farm by the old method (plowing, harrowing, planting, cultivating (min of 2 during growing), and harvesting over 200 acres. There are ‘windows’ of time that seed have to be planted . . . too early it won’t germinate or rot in the ground, too late in burns up in the sun and heat. The growing season is limited to a few months of the year. Harvest has to happen before the winter and snow sets in.

There is literally not enough time in the day, days in the month or months in the growing season to grow more than 200 +/- acres in the ‘old way’. I KNOW this personally because I farmed 30 acres in Kansas in the ‘old way’.

Perhaps not enough hours in the day for one man (or woman) to do it ... that's why they had hired hands and tractors (or several teams of horses, before then.)

My dad was such a hired hand, in the late 1940's, after he returned from being on Guadalcanal in the South Pacific during World War II, and he took me on a trip around the US, including through the corn fields of Iowa, in the mid 1960's. Those corn fields stretched as far as the eye could see, which is quiet a ways in very flat Iowa and Kansas, if one happened to drive over a slight rise. One could literally hear the corn growing at night, and one could see bazillions of stars in the sky, when one had the good eyes of youth, back when the air was clear and the lights of civilization few.

I also read in the history books that the farmers in the midwest (central US) exported enough food, at low enough prices, in the second half of the 1800's to put many a European farmer out of business, once the railroads and steam ships of the Robber Barons were up and running. Apparently American farming did to some European family farms in the late 1800's what Chinese manufacturing has now done to American industry in the late 1900's and early 2000's.

That you would base a rebuttal on the unstated and untrue assumption that farmers didn't have hired hands ... not a good sign.

Do you know how huge 200 acres is and appears when you are standing on one edge of the field and looking across it? Let alone when there are farms ‘back to back’?

Of course I know that farmers had/have hired help way back then and today.

Back ‘then’ they were more often than not share croppers or paid slave wages if at all or they were family members. There is a reason why farming families were big families.

Today’s small farmers, like the farmers I knew in Kansas, can’t afford to hire help. There is no way to work it into the bottom line and still make any kind of profit.

I have no doubt that our export of grains has an effect in Europe. We have the largest (?) amount of farmable acreage within our total land mass compared to other countries. Our farmland in the Midwest is perfect for growing grains.

I believe our history also includes the Dust Bowl tragedy because of our over farming and poor soil management.

I had an average block of 80 acres where I did my organic/natural farming. If you stood at the front of my farm (at the road) and looked back over that 80 acres (about a half mile) you could not see the back edge of my property. When I had my 30 acres of tillable land planted it even looked larger.

And yes . . . . the stars are like a blanket of glitter . . . I wish everyone could see what I see every night the sky is cloudless here in Appalachia..

[gripreaper]

Posted by blufire (here)
. But neither do I like the idea of people starving by the tens of thousands as we saw until chemical farming. Do YOU remember this Dennis . . . . in the 60’s and through the 70’s? All the thousands that died in the 3rd world countries and even the 1st world countries on a daily basis?

But I guess you or Grip will say that too was false information put out by the Evil Dark Ones. . . . .

Listen blufire, if you want to debate me directly that's fine, but please don't use passive aggressive innuendo attached to a response to Dennis. I can speak for myself and am willing to do so.

Yes, I remember the hunger back in the 70's, and I also remember the overpopulation agendas and "consciousness "meme" creating campaigns of Paul Ehrlich too back then. The entire world starvation agenda was engineered so that "Mon-satan" and their cronies could take over the smaller family farms and consolidate all land into the mega corporate conglomerates we see today.

Remember the farm claims lawsuits that went all the way to the US Supreme Court? Remember what they were about? Yea, never addressed this aspect in any other thread either. You can't cherry pick aspects of the total context of the time to fit your agenda blufire.

The starvation, the massive land grab, the introduction of chemical toxins, the overpopulation campaigns, the imperialism, and the sequestering of NAWAPA, the killing of Kennedy, corporatocracy, the loss of liberty... is all tied together.

How easily we forget history, even when it is only 50 years ago and we lived it!

[blufire]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by blufire (here)
. But neither do I like the idea of people starving by the tens of thousands as we saw until chemical farming. Do YOU remember this Dennis . . . . in the 60’s and through the 70’s? All the thousands that died in the 3rd world countries and even the 1st world countries on a daily basis?

But I guess you or Grip will say that too was false information put out by the Evil Dark Ones. . . . .

Listen blufire, if you want to debate me directly that's fine, but please don't use passive aggressive innuendo attached to a response to Dennis. I can speak for myself and am willing to do so.

Yes, I remember the hunger back in the 70's, and I also remember the overpopulation agendas and "consciousness "meme" creating campaigns of Paul Ehrlich too back then. The entire world starvation agenda was engineered so that "Mon-satan" and their cronies could take over the smaller family farms and consolidate all land into the mega corporate conglomerates we see today.

Remember the farm claims lawsuits that went all the way to the US Supreme Court? Remember what they were about? Yea, never addressed this aspect in any other thread either. You can't cherry pick aspects of the total context of the time to fit your agenda blufire.

The starvation, the massive land grab, the introduction of chemical toxins, the overpopulation campaigns, the imperialism, and the sequestering of NAWAPA, the killing of Kennedy, corporatocracy, the loss of liberty... is all tied together.

How easily we forget history, even when it is only 50 years ago and we lived it!

I sincerely apologize for appearing passive aggressive . . . not my intention.

I am just VERY frustrated that it seems I can’t explain myself fully or clearly. I get sidetracked very easily with peoples comments directed at me. I get exhausted with being (it feels) like a lone voice.

Look I understand what you are saying in your post . . .I truly truly do . . . and I agree with it, I agree with what Dennis and others say for the most part . . . .

My point is WHY they are doing it . . .WHY it is happening

I am not in the Dark Ones corner or at this point not even the Alternative World corner.

I am just sitting here in this beautiful mountain watching everything happen, trying to stay out of the way.

And what I see is the ramping up of the final implementation to bring about the New World Order or One World or United Planet, whatever the hell it will be called.

All of this is SO convoluted and multilayered that it keeps everyone polarized, chaotic, and at each others throats . . .and even on this forum

None of this ‘surface chaff’ matters Grip . . . none of it.

What matters is what we are facing as a global humanity in the next 25 +/- years and the final outcome.

YES WE LIVED IT these past 50+ years! . . . . but I REFUSE to keep living the world ‘they’ have created for us. I stepped out of that world a few years back and since then I am free of the INSANITY!

The constant intense anger, negativity, victim status, and complete voicing and complaining of hopelessness against “Them’ is utterly exhausting and frustrating.

Yes!!!! They are doing ALL these things! But we are not victims . . . we DO NOT have to lie down and just accept it and keep living it over and over and over.

My future is clear and peaceful and I am trying my damnedest to make sure my family and those who are brought into my life have this same way of life and hope. If I have an agenda then THIS is it

We can CHOOSE and create that peace no matter what we choose.

[TargeT]

Posted by blufire (here)
I get exhausted with being (it feels) like a lone voice.

haha, try backing the non-nuclear-fear campaign for a bit; it's just as fun

Posted by blufire (here)
My point is WHY they are doing it . . .WHY it is happening
.

I think some people on this thread were simply saying, in this specific instance, it doesn't appear that they ARE doing "it"; though your thoughts are logical given their pattern; there just doesn't seem to be any supporting evidence at all.

[blufire]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by blufire (here)
I get exhausted with being (it feels) like a lone voice.

haha, try backing the non-nuclear-fear campaign for a bit; it's just as fun

Posted by blufire (here)
My point is WHY they are doing it . . .WHY it is happening
.

I think some people on this thread were simply saying, in this specific instance, it doesn't appear that they ARE doing "it"; though your thoughts are logical given their pattern; there just doesn't seem to be any supporting evidence at all.

Thanks TargeT, I an truly appreciate what you have said here.

And you are 100% correct, I have no ‘real’ proof, Although the packet of information from the USDA I have somewhere in a box would I suppose validate some of what I am saying.

Perhaps a bigger question or at least a different question is why do we just wait around to see what is going to happen instead of being proactive and taking an offensive postion instead of our generally defensive fear based one?

If we see a consistent pattern and we can project from this pattern, then wouldn’t this be wise or at least prudent?

The topic of this thread is Rockefellers and Soros’ etc possibly being deeply involved in cannabis production in Uruguay . . . . . and why

Well, I have stated clearly my opinion and it is based on past patterns that we can follow to a fairly solid conclusion which then almost always leads me to my own personal ‘next question’ which is does this particular event or pattern lead to the implementation and strategy of the NWO . . . . and for me it does

So then I extrapolate possible scenarios of how ‘they’ could use a genetically modified and enhanced chemical that already produces mind altering or at the least a very pacified state of being . . . .and that really causes me to sit up and take notice..

[seehas]

people that consume marijuana dont fall into most programming traps, thats the main reason why they will never make it a legal drug, the usage of thc stimulates different thinking at things and people start to question their reality.

something about that story is fishy

@bluefire iam far away from considering myself as a professional when it comes to growing, but im used to grow sativa, indica also medical strains and all i can say is hemp is very very simple to grow plant even for people like me , just go to india, pakistan, marocco etc. and you find it in wildlife.

thats how good seedbanks create new potent strains they go for a strainhunt to this countrys.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by blufire (here)
Do you know how huge 200 acres is and appears when you are standing on one edge of the field and looking across it? Let alone when there are farms ‘back to back’?

Yes, I know. It's equivalent to a square of land, 0.56 miles or 0.9 km on a side. My dad was a hired hand on a 200 acre farm, before running his own 80 acre farm, which even back in the 1960's was too much work for one man, too poor to hire help. When I showed no interest in farming at age 10, preferring to read books, my Dad sold that farm, weary and older for the effort. We moved to a trailer parked on the side of a field of the larger farm, on the understanding that our dog, a wonderful half breed Border Collie, would hunt woodchucks on the larger fields for the "rent". The dog paid the rent for another 10 years.

And I know that farms that large existed (and indeed were "average" in size) back in the 1950's, before GMO seeds, and that they were tilled in part by hired hands.

I refuted your claim that "it is categorically and simply IMPOSSIBLE for a farmer to farm by the old method (plowing, harrowing, planting, cultivating (min of 2 during growing), and harvesting over 200 acres."

My refutation stands, notwithstanding your efforts to distract.

[gripreaper]

Posted by blufire (here)
My point is WHY they are doing it . . .WHY it is happening

Its quite simple. To modify and terraform the planet into a totalitarian fascist, fully centralized and controlled system, to aggrandize the few alien interlopers who think they are gods and that this is their private playground to engineer into a new species of slaves to vampire, and to satiate their heartless and soulless hedonism through ritualistic blood sacrifices and conspicuous consumption of all energy.

Posted by blufire (here)
All of this is SO convoluted and multilayered that it keeps everyone polarized, chaotic, and at each others throats . . .and even on this forum

I don't see it that way. Its not convoluted to me at all, but quite clear, concise, and succinct. We as a species need to recognize the thousands of years of incestuous interloping by the psychopathic murderous elite, expose them to the light of day for who they are, reject their mandates and their interdiction's, remove them from power, and send them to where the sun don't shine. They've done nothing but F'k things up since they got here. Their tenure is over.

This IS the path to unity consciousness and away from duality which we "think" we want. Embracing them as benevolent, necessary, and part of some divine plan or some "guardian council" or some "alien architecture" or any type of hierarchical power structure in the dimensions above 3d, to help humanity to evolve and change, is utter balderdash. This is what is distracting and keeps us from turning inward and recognizing the utter power we have to alter the matrix just with our thoughts.

We are NOT just mammalian and reptilian, but multifaceted immortal souls with 13 full DNA strands, an akashic history of thousands of lifetimes, unlimited potential and resources, and a collective dream held in the hologram of all creation to return to source as fully conscious and fully imbued with spirit in a body.

They want this to appear convoluted, the population agenda, the eugenics, the alleged 25 years ahead of devastation based on some extinction level event which is imminent and these sweet elite have prepared for and have done so at our behest because they want to save the genome and need to engineer things so that the planet can be utilized for restoration from high radiation survival post apocalypse. Geez!

In the Hegelian dialectic of synthesis for change towards an agenda, they always control both sides of the dialectic. That's what it means to polarize to the extremes of duality, to create divisiveness, wars, and engineered chaos. Its the oldest trick in the book and has worked a million times over the centuries. They don't even bother to do things covertly anymore, but blatantly and with arrogance flaunt it right out in public view nowadays.

We better get with it and wake up and get rid of these bastards, remove them from power, release free energy, implement initiatives like NAWAPA, and learn to think for ourselves, and be self responsible ADULTS!

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by blufire (here)

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by blufire (here)
I couldn’t . . . . not thousands of acres in one growing season . . . no more than I could grow thousands of acres of corn or soy beans without genetic modification.

. . . . and I am a master grower/farmer with 30+ years of experience.

Agriculture (in some form) has been going on for 10,000 years. Greed-driven opportunists have been genetically modifying corn, soy, beets, alfalfa, etc for less than 30 years. I grew up in Ohio and visited relatives in Nebraska. Between my home state and in my travels, I saw hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of acres of corn, wheat, beans...later soy beans. ALL of those thousands of acres of food were non-GMO, because GMO had not been "invented" by the Dark Ones that want to control all food. There was no boost of ANY sort when GMO seeds were developed and sold. No boost in nutrition, no boost in drought-resistance, no boost in wilt resistance... only a boost in profits for the Dark Forces.

YOU may have convinced yourself that thousands of acres of crops cannot be grown without GMO, but it has already been done, for decades and decades. That is not conjecture. It has been done. There was enough to feed all the people domestically, all the cattle and pigs and fowl, and giant ships full of NON-GMO crops grown in the US were shipped around the world. Do you remember this? Do you know this is true? GMOs provide no benefits to society at all, only to the Dark Ones.

Okay . . . .I guess I have to just keep trying to refute misinformation or just give up . . . . Call the dogs and piss on the fire (difficult for a woman)

Dennis you and I are about the same age (I’m 54) and so we would remember and have experienced the same events, even though, I can surmise that me growing up in Appalachia and then living the last 25 years in Kansas and your growing up and past would differ and allow us to contribute different perspectives on those same events and history.

You speak of those 1,000 of acres of corn, soy beans and wheat when you were young and your insistence they were not GMO or genetically engineered.
. . . .well you would be categorically wrong my friend, because they were. ...

Blufire, you are redefining the term "GMO" to fit your needs. I'm not. I'm actually using the term correctly. Plants sprayed with poisons does not make GMO plants; it makes poison-covered (and infused) plants. If I take a strawberry and dip it in chocolate, it does not make it a GMO strawberry. If I take a strawberry and dip it in glyphosate ("Roundup" - the herbicide that is frequently the chemical for which plants are genetically engineered to withstand), it STILL does not make that strawberry a GMO strawberry.

The first crops in fields that made it to market and were consumed by humans (since the earlier tomato-fish never made it to market) were grown in 1995. All the crops grown for human and animal consumption prior to 1995 were non-GMO. All of them.

No, the thousands and thousands of acres that fed the USA and were exported worldwide that I grew up around in northwest Ohio (and the many Midwestern states I visited) were NOT GMO.

No, "Marijuana/cannabis has been genetically modified for years. The pot consumed today is thoroughly GMO and every strain of cannabis in the ‘medical marijuana’ industry is genetically modified" is not correct. Somehow you have confused GMO and hybridization or even the application of chemicals (such as "colchicine") or mechanization, or something. You need to stop and look up the definition of GMO. You have shown repeatedly that you are confused as to what GMO actually means.

Here is the absolute guarantee that cannabis is NOT genetically modified: Patents are public. Show me the patent. You can show me the patent for every other GMO plant, so just show me the patent for GMO cannabis. Then, tell me which of the thousands of strains of cannabis that one is, and who grows it (and admit that anyone who grows any of the other strains is not growing the GMO cannabis that you can prove IS patented. This is different than me arguing with a statement that you have made regarding being told by non-humans that GMO is good stuff, and necessary for human survival (I cannot argue with that - all I can do is believe it or not), but this is simple factual information where you are demonstrably incorrect.

Posted by blufire (here)
I feel you and others almost desperately need me to be wrong on this . . . but I am not. I have lived it personally and worked closely for years with conventional farmers and understand thoroughly WHY they had no other option other than to convert to gmo farming. But there are farmers (like me) who will never convert to chemical farming and will always teach the old ways of farming and homesteading.

We have to have both. I see this now. Do I like it? No. But neither do I like the idea of people starving by the tens of thousands as we saw until chemical farming.
Do YOU remember this Dennis . . . . in the 60’s and through the 70’s? All the thousands that died in the 3rd world countries and even the 1st world countries on a daily basis?

You are wrong on this. You're confusing "conventional" farming (non-organic) and/or "mechanized"/green revolution farming with GMO farming. Whoever said thousands of acres could be farmed by one person? That is flying in from left-field. I have said, and say again, we not only do not "NEED" GMO plants for human survival, GMO plants were never even designed for human survival. They were designed by greedy bastards to sell seeds and herbicides. GMOs do NOT, and will not ever serve humanity; GMOs serve only the corporate overlords and their bankers.

The thousands and thousands of acres of non-GMO food grown in the USA prior to the take-over by MonSatan seeds were more than plenty to feed everyone in the USA and thousands of tons of non-GMO food were exported - and it could be done again, if we could arrest and convict the executives in the GMO mega-corporations, ban GMO seeds, and start growing real food again. Besides the fact that feeding the hungry is a logistics problem (and a low priority for the Elite) and not a production problem, feeding everyone in the world from crops grown in the USA is a very bad idea. What the citizens of the USA need to stop exporting is death and destruction and imperialism, and what the USA needs to export to help feed the hungry in the world is technology and know-how, freely given. In fact, we owe it to the world.

If Soros and Rockefeller could simply buy or buy into Monstersanto and gain control of cannabis worldwide, they would have. Instead, they are buying into cannabis, worldwide, the way they can: loaning money to gutsy nations like Uruguay...and maybe cornering the market on All-Seeing Eye bongs.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
PS: GMO is a general term which isn't positive or negative...I guess you're mostly talking about Transgenics, which is when they mix genes from different specifies, like Monsanto does.

GMOs are pretty much natural; Nature produces them on its own. Transgenics, on the other hand, isn't natural and can be very dangerous.

Hang on a second, we're mixing up terminology again.

GMO (Genetically Modified Organism) is a process that CANNOT be done by nature. "Transgenic" is a synonym for GMO. In the GMO/transgenic process, DNA is inserted from another species (such as a gene from fish being inserted into a tomato, or a soil bacterium (Bt) being inserted into corn.)

Hybridization is a natural process - done by nature - to further the natural genetic diversity, deal with the evolving climatic conditions, and toward species survival, or done by accident (wind, bees, etc), or done deliberately by humans in the field. Hybridization "forced" by humans - this is usually called "cross-breeding" could be two different varieties of the same species (such as two different varieties of squash, or two different varieties of apples), or two different closely related species (for example, two members of the Prunus family, such as plums and apricots.) Hybridization would NEVER be dogs and cats, or squash AND apples, or inserting a fish gene in a tomato.

I know I probably appear pedantic on the "GMO" nomenclature issue, but this is very important that we all understand what GMO is...and what it isn't.

Dennis

[sigma6]

GMOs are pretty much natural; Nature produces them on its own. Transgenics, on the other hand, isn't natural and can be very dangerous.

I think that is dangerous to start calling GMO's natural... not sure where you are going there...
and 70% of all soy production in the US is GMO. That is dangerous.
And if marijuana survives which I sort of agree with, is because we will still be forced to operate outside the regulatory controls that they will try and impose...

There shouldn't be ANY law for anything that grows natural on this EARTH, Because the corporations, that make these regulations can't claim ultimate ownership. And therefore don't have the right, and there is already "lawful" precedence for this. There is now a group of lawyers in fact who are UN-registered and UN-incorporated and they are trying to form an MLM network (which I disagree with) to spread their NEW society (really trading one corporate society for another) Point is they can NOW speak out and are telling us that YES, we have been duped, IT IS NOW PUBLICLY confirmed. And yes the country is just a corporation. And YES legal laws are NOTHING MORE then corporate CONTRACTS. And YES you can OPT out of all of these things...

This may be another reason these shifts are happening... Cat(s) jumping out of the bag. Game over. The Jig is up. People are waking up. The Crime Syndicates that everyone has been paying into and worshipping are being exposed. The time of internet communication is here. In a word. Truth is coming back in vogue.

[sigma6]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by RMorgan (here)
PS: GMO is a general term which isn't positive or negative...I guess you're mostly talking about Transgenics, which is when they mix genes from different specifies, like Monsanto does.

GMOs are pretty much natural; Nature produces them on its own. Transgenics, on the other hand, isn't natural and can be very dangerous.

Hang on a second, we're mixing up terminology again.

GMO (Genetically Modified Organism) is a process that CANNOT be done by nature. "Transgenic" is a synonym for GMO. In the GMO/transgenic process, DNA is inserted from another species (such as a gene from fish being inserted into a tomato, or a soil bacterium (Bt) being inserted into corn.)

Hybridization is a natural process - done by nature - to further the natural genetic diversity, deal with the evolving climatic conditions, and toward species survival, or done by accident (wind, bees, etc), or done deliberately by humans in the field. Hybridization "forced" by humans - this is usually called "cross-breeding" could be two different varieties of the same species (such as two different varieties of squash, or two different varieties of apples), or two different closely related species (for example, two members of the Prunus family, such as plums and apricots.) Hybridization would NEVER be dogs and cats, or squash AND apples, or inserting a fish gene in a tomato.

I know I probably appear pedantic on the "GMO" nomenclature issue, but this is very important that we all understand what GMO is...and what it isn't.
Dennis

This is why I virulently disagree with people who go on about evolution, it is because this is exactly how they mix up and confuse all these issues, exactly. If you go to the heart of it, it is a political philosophical propaganda agenda, tied to millions and millions of tax dollars in universities, a scam.... And the result is exactly these types of misconceptions that I think Dennis is right to correct.

The key always goes back to the difference between adaptation vs using that same adaptation model but modifying it and calling it "evolution" because the supposed "causal agent" is supposed to be due to a mutation instead. This is a completely false hypothetical model, never to actually have been proven and impossible to achieve due to the successive random accumulation of mutations that would have to happen (like winning 20 different lotteries each month in perfect succession) A farce. And it sounded sophisticated because it is completely BORROWED from the Adaptation which IS a sophisticated and scientifically viable model of the relationship between genotypic selection and phenotypic expression. Anyhow enough of that rant. but there is a point to be had here.

In adaptation nature or man made forces are influencing EXISTING GENES within an EXISTING GENE POOL from the larger population. This is to me, if you just study it, see the whole politic, misconception, deceit in a nutshell. Brings clarity and exposure in one fell swoop. I personally feel like I was there, when I saw this "mishmashing" being done under everyone's noses. They get away with because nobody can actually believe in conspiracies!!?? That people have agendas??. That criminal activity actually occurs??? There is something wrong with people if they don't want to see this simple reality unfolding all around them. I didn't see it at the time, but in retrospect I can NOW see what they were playing with...

The spirit of influence that created and managed the "Piltdown" man is alive and well. Whether you want to call them Jesuits, Freemason, Criminal Cabals, Syndicates... they are ALL Secret Societies, and they exist and they manipulate things. I'm not claiming to be an expert botanist, but when I see how we are arguing about the meaning of the words like this, I do find it alarming, and it has to do with the HUGE AMOUNT of misinformation about subtle details that were MEANT to confuse...

So we should all step back (and maybe take a big drag.... if you know what I mean...) and contemplate this "argument" in a more holistic interpretation... this needs more reflection... less literalism. Less dotting of i's and crossing of t's and more looking at the fundamental principle of what we are trying to express here. We are getting caught up in that "point" game and I really don't like going there...

[Daphne]

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The most medicinal plant in the world.

[Mad Hatter]

Fascinating thread peeps, thanks one and all... now donning my curious cap for a mo...

Don't know about outside the land mass known as terra australis but there was a huge flap here recently when an influx of, shall we say 'recreational' green vegetable matter, was imported which due to some very clever molecular level adjustment (only one molecule mark you) courtesy of some very clever NZ'ers was freely being sold with the authorities unable to deal with it in their usual style because it effectively fell outside the proscribed chemical definition of THC. Brilliant from the perspective that it is just as effective (from the recreational point of view) but technically legal.

So a (rhetorical?) question for those arguing the difference between GMO v Hybridized perspective... which category does that fall under?? Or should / does this fall under the label CMO (chemically modified organism)?

To swing back to the Q originally posted by the OP... Storm in a teacup anyone?

If one accepts that logically the lid can no longer be kept on this by those that would like too and discounting entirely the recreational / medicinal perspective, when one considers the number of products that this quick grow anywhere crop can be put to, including hemp-crete for building, paper, oils, food, clothing, etc etc etc to me it becomes 'dogs balls' obvious Soros and the like are well aware the impact this will have on certain industries world wide.

Thus one might argue it is nothing more than the 'smart' money jockeying for position on the start line of what will be the lucrative side of the market as certain industries follow the dodo into extinction... nothing nefarious in it at all folks... it's just business as usual!

Too address another concerned raised re use as a pacifier... IIRC it was Robyn Williams who quipped "God gave man a penis and a brain and only enough blood to run one at a time!" Now admittedly from purely empirical experience only, that is a reasonable description of what consumption of many strains of the plant will do... ie the body may be pacified (to a degree) but the mind usually goes into hyper-drive. Based on that alone I would argue it is not a suitable substance for replacement of fluoridated water in the pacification stakes, even as an adjunct, as it would/does have entirely the opposite effect. From a control perspective having half the population stoned sitting on the couch but thinking way outside the nine dots does not IMO, for good slaves, make...

One last, but irrelevant, point to ponder... the intelligence of the plant itself... consider the symbiotic relationship it has formed with man, over probably a very very long time, which has seen it manage to establish itself on every continent worldwide... not bad for a 'mere' weed...

tuppence worth

cheers

PS Grow your own dope, plant a man !!

[anonymous]

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