Cannabis legislation / legalization

[carriellbee]

I think I would prefer that "U.S. Experts" not interfere.

[jackovesk]

Thanks for all your Answers, I think we covered a fair percentage of the reasons as to WhY? Soros and Rockefeller are involved in all this...

However, I really think it goes (Way Way Way) DEEPER than that...

I'm thinking more along the lines of a PsyOp within a PsyOp, definitely something those 2 Ass-CLOWNS couldn't come up with on their own...

[silent1]

Getting into specifics, I wonder if the government will regulate seeds. Yeah, one can grow 6 plants if one wishes but do the seeds have to come from the government or some affiliated organisation?

*EDIT* Oops, I should have read more of the thread before writing this.

[sigma6]

haven't read all the posts, but just wanted to get my two cents in!

They want in on the ground floor, this is something new, outside of their control, and they want to start collecting and analyzing the data from day one, that is how these people operate, they want to figure out the politics, economics and social interpretation before anyone else...

Another thing I heard the legalization isn't the way to go, it should be decriminalization. Legalization implies government licensing, control manipulation, and that is where these Skanker Kings could have a huge influence, they could try to come in there, finance everything and take control.

KEEP IT SIMPLE ... YOU KNOW THESE GUYS CAN'T BE TRUSTED... THEY ONLY HAVE ONE INTEREST... CONTROL...

If I was Mujica, I'd have 24 hour surveillance on those guys and tell them to take their filthy blood money and get the hell out of my damned country.

[sigma6]

Posted by Davidallany (here)
Is this another genetically engineered plant? Who is to say that the original seeds have been replaced with another modified ones, just like the majority of seeds around the world.
A doped out population is better to control than an awakened one, that is very easy to see, so it is now up to the people of Uruguay to make a stand and refuse to swallow the bait. They can choose.

With proper education, smoking marijuana can be incredibly beneficial, like teens when they first get their hands on alcohol its about having a marathon to see who can become comatose first. Weed is no different it is a drug and it requires an education, I believe one is missing out if they don't practice refinement, the less taken, the more valuable the experience... until you can't actually directly experience any high except in its effect (ie. less pain, less stress, lighter mood, easier to focus on smaller details... it's all about refinement)

In general I think people are taking 5 to 10x more than is necessary, largely due to public perception. One puff may be all you need depending on what you are trying to accomplish.

There is a huge trade off, according to Dr Michael Persinger, it has two major influences, it stimulates the cerebral cortex, and at the same time collects around the hypothalamus, which controls short term memory. Which is the classic "stoner experience" (and indicative of having taken too much) the profound insight combined with the inability to remember what you just thought. The implication is clear. Tiny quantities taken like you would any serious drug that you respect. The mental stimulation is REAL. But a drug is a drug, and should be treated with the same respect we treat all drugs, and herbs, like caffeine, aspirin, alcohol, etc...

Although this is about psychotropics, he also discusses cannabis and it's powerful , where I gleaned this insight originally... worth watching

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6Auqfuo8fmE

[sigma6]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by jackovesk (here)
Bit stumped on this one, as to the reason Why? Soros & Rockefeller are involved...?

Why?

It's a brand new market, with potential for generating billions.

Soros, Rockefeller and any other interested part can earn a lot of money with this.

Uruguay is a developing country; It could really use some more foreign investment right now.

Mujica is not stupid; This measure will generate and liberate a lot of money from all fronts:

a) Foreign companies will invest in commercial marijuana and hemp. Marijuana is a very lucrative plant; It's very cheap to cultivate, which generates pretty good profit margins.
b) The money previously spent with the war on drugs will be liberated for more important uses.
c) The govern will also earn a lot of money by taxing the now legal marijuana.
d) A lot of money will be generated through marijuana tourism.

Mujica is the president of a developing country; It's simply natural that he's trying to attract foreign investment for his country by meeting high level business men. This is part of his duties.

You know, sometimes it's hard to understand conspiracy theorists...This is one of those cases...First they claim that there's a huge conspiracy behind the prohibition of marijuana, now they are complaining that there's another huge conspiracy behind the legalization of marijuana...Eventually, they'll have to make up their minds about this issue.

In my opinion, Uruguay is on the right path. Besides being a very soft recreational drug, marijuana has a lot of medical potential and hemp itself is the best natural fiber available by far...It's a great plant and it doesn't make any sense to prohibit it in the first place.

Raf.

Agreed, I heard marijuana is one of the highest return plants that you can plant in the world, that creates the most oil for example, hemp, seeds. I believe for a legal non black market farming plant (thinking of poppys) But not withstanding in terms of the benefit to the soil, and the return on your investment. I have heard the Cannabis is the most profitable plant per square hectare. Dollar for Dollar, and the green benefit of growing hemp is gravy. It's all pluses, an economic money maker hands down.

And these rats KNOW all about the ECONOMICS of hemp. The return on investment could turn Uruguay's economy around in a heartbeat, but these guys could get in so thick and heavy it would be wiser to keep them out. They know because they own the pharmaceutical companies that have done millions in research on cannabis. I met one of these guys and he told me all about it, but refused to tell me the company he worked for, it was that secret. THEY KNOW more then anyone else.

The false reality has been shattered, with the growth and production of Hemp they don't need outside help And if they want money they can find better safer partners, they don't need much to get started, They don't need these parasitic vampires. If they are just willing to take action And do the hard work. The profits will be almost instantaneous. Just stopping spending money on death and the war on drugs alone will add 10-20% to their standard of living overnight! Every cop that gets off the corporate welfare and actually gets a real jobs turns a drag on the economy into a plus.

Soros and Rockefeller know this thing is going to take off and make HUGE PROFIT with or without them... Just like the pharmaceutical companies who really were the only people who had the science of statistics to see the trends, got in on the vaccine market, knowing full bloody well the new trends on the disease were all coming down with new health and hygiene practices, they just showed up to take the credit, AGAIN, they had the data, they KNEW... it just creates an artificial association in peoples mind and the rest is media propaganda and now they are sucking billions out of the standard of living and health of millions...

Soros and Rockefeller can't do any good, and the longer term the more absolutely true it will be. These are CRIMINAL MASTERMINDS.

You can associate with rich people you may become wise, you can hang around kind people you may become loving and spiritual and if you hang around rich people, you will end up being their lackey... They know how to make THEMSELVES RICH, that usually means just enough to keep everyone else alive. with a few lucky jack pot winners in key positions... DON'T DO IT MUJI!!!!!

DON'T GET LURED IN!! Just take their business cards and "promise" that you will absolutely get back to them on it... and tell them how much you appreciate their interest... and then as soon as you get around the corner RUN!!!!...

[sigma6]

Posted by Lifebringer (here)
Hi jack I think that all the government studies conducted by the Nixon Administration has reached several elites eyes, and they see the potential for trillions if the old would but get out of the way of the new. It's gonna happen and both represent the Dem Party am I right? I mean the Dems have done studies on the cost of non-violent drug dealers and it enters the billions across the nation, so to cut back on the private for profit prison private public partnership cost on the deficit, saner policy must be voted on, and our generation, knows marijuana is harmless, therefore the mistrust between a Government that lies to us for tobacco bribes, will remain, as long as they do lie to the millions of college graduates in the highest of positions that smoke pot and it doesn't alter them other than an appetite and relaxation, better than alcohol martini's and a beer or cigarettes with over 5,000 harmful chemicals such as arsenic and other carcinogenic properties, to pots 43 natural cannabinoid that aid the body for pain, healing, depression, and other eating disorders. That's just the top of the list off hand, wait until they really actually do the honest studies as Nixon did themselves, and they will see, that many a lie was told under a bribe, including fluoride.

PS, Let's hope they don't plan on having gigantic grow fields sprayed with paraffin, will destroy the crops. Anything "unnatural or chemical" will. So Monsanto is out.
Earth, wind, air and water and God's good sun. That's as natural a crop as you can get.

Amen brother!...
I was thinking Ecuador, but this definitely changes my travel plan options! Think of the tourism boost alone!!!!!
AWESOME CONGRATULATIONS URUGUAY! LEAD THE WAY... AND TELL THOSE VAMPIRIC MONEY MAGGOTS TO LEAVE... AND PRAY FOR MUJICA, HIS LIFE IS IN DANGER. (Unless they already got to him)... Otherwise this could end up being another grand experiment that will be flushed down the toilet after Soros and Rockefeller are finished wiping their a**es with this country...

The more I think about them trying to get involved, the more creeped out I am getting!

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[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by blufire (here)
lol . . . . okay guys

I guess my 30 years of intense organic farming and growing and saving my own seed and hybridizing my own plants has absolutely no merit here

Growing that also includes pot.

Let alone my years of research into GMO’s

Geez, what’s a girl to think here?


To think that ‘they’ haven’t been on top of this for years and manipulating every aspect is very naïve . . . . in my little ‘ole opinion.
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blufire,

Your credibility, past accomplishments, and current accomplishments are not being attacked nor discounted. You simply made a wrong statement, and you made it as a declarative statement, not as an opinion. If you had said, "I'll bet cannabis will end up being farmed using GMO cannabis seeds, I would have agreed with your opinion, your guess. It is just the kind of thing the sneaky sociopathic bastards in Monsanto's boardroom think up: pay for (probably even author!) legislation that makes farming hemp/low-THC cannabis (fiber product) and medical/recreational cannabis legal as long as approved seeds are used... and of course, the only seeds that would be approved would be Monsanto's.

But that is quite different from saying that "Marijuana/cannabis has been genetically modified for years. The pot consumed today is thoroughly GMO and every strain of cannabis in the ‘medical marijuana’ industry is genetically modified or altered in some way." This statement is false. Further, there are forum members and non-member readers that have read enough of your material to assume that you knew what you were talking about when you made that statement, and placed faith/trust in that declarative statement because it came from you. So, rather than feeling like you are being personally attacked (you weren't and you aren't), this is an opportunity to set the record straight and either state it clearly as unfounded conjecture or opinion, or just say, "oops, I was wrong."

I have a lot of respect for you and want to converse on topics where I may have a disagreement with you - using logic, rhetoric (real meaning of the word), and verifiable facts to expound an idea or persuade, and not to see a "defense of self" substituted for a defense of the point(s) being argued.

There is no giant corporation behind medical cannabis, YET. Again, I'm with your opinion 100% if you're arguing that Monsanto, Syngenta and others WANT to genetically modify cannabis, and probably already have, in labs... BUT that's a far cry from stating that all medical marijuana is already GMO. My opinion (impossible to verify) is that very close to ZERO percent of medical marijuana is genetically modified. The growers themselves have already - via hybridization and selection - produced strains that yield over 25% THC in the final, cleaned flowers. I know that some growers have strains that have been bred for high-output of CBD or other non-psychoactive (but still medicinal) cannabinoids. Why would they need (or risk destroying their reputation with) GMO cannabis seeds or cuttings (should they become available) when they already have remarkable success and extremely satisfied clients?

To declare that statement as you did is to say, "oh, what the hell, Monsanto already took over cannabis with genetic modification - there's nothing we can do" and creates a false meme. I'm sure you don't want to be responsible for creating a false meme, so again, I'd ask you to clarify that your statement is actually unfounded conjecture or that you made a mistake.

Dennis

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

This is definitely a good thing (legalizing), but the issue that I have, is the money that will be coming in to fund it (IE Soros/Rocerfeller) We all know these goons are power and money hungry, and care nothing for the people they trample. As was said earlier,l the wolf need to be close to the sheep to strike.

There is big money here, and the banksters know it. Uruguay needs to be extremely careful. I say boot them, and take the time to do it yourself. do it right, and keep them out...

You will get the tourism, the people, and you can really do some great things with the hemp.. it is a multi billion dollar industry.

Also... something I just thought about... how would this go regarding other 'plants' DMT, Ayahuasca?

[blufire]

from Dennis above:

Your credibility, past accomplishments, and current accomplishments are not being attacked nor discounted. You simply made a wrong statement, and you made it as a declarative statement, not as an opinion

I have a lot of respect for you and want to converse on topics where I may have a disagreement with you - using logic, rhetoric (real meaning of the word), and verifiable facts to expound an idea or persuade, and not to see a "defense of self" substituted for a defense of the point(s) being argued

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Thank you much big brother . . . . I am very happy to have a logical and rhetorical discussion with you and from my stand point of being very knowledgeable in this topic. Although I will have to admit having rhetorical conversations are a bit more challenging for me . . . I’m a more ‘literal’ kind of gal.

This is the statement I made and that you highlighted and would like to discuss Marijuana/cannabis has been genetically modified for years. The pot consumed today is thoroughly GMO and every strain of cannabis in the ‘medical marijuana’ industry is genetically modified or altered in some way." Is not false and I absolutely know what I am talking about and for the following reasons.

I learned many years ago this following ‘rule of thumb’ from a mentor that I respected greatly . . . . . When something (we will use scientific advancement here) makes it to MSM or to the general population, that advancement has already been in the making for 20+/- years.

In this case it is medical marijuana. The legalization of marijuana and specifically medical marijuana exploded to the forefront just a few short years ago and is being fast tracked on calculated purpose. ‘They’ over the past 20+/- have already manufactured many strains of genetically modified pot, synthesized several different strains, created the legislation to legalize pot, identified where these strains will be grown (in this thread one of those places maybe Uruguay), identified and secured which pharmaceutical companies would make billions of dollars and implemented all other control factors surrounding this issue . . . . . exactly like they did with GMO food.

The general population will always and I mean always be 20+/- behind. I use this ‘rule of thumb’ constantly in my research and observation of what is taking place globally. I use certain personal ‘templates’ to project into the future to formulate a working idea of what I feel may be happening and use this to my advantage. (Sun Tzu’s The Art of War)

There is absolutely and I do mean absolutely no doubt in my mind that many several strains of cannabis have already been genetically modified and synthesized and tons of seeds (I do mean tons) are waiting to be sent to different places around the world (like Uruguay) to be mass produced . . . . just like when GMO grain seed hit the farming industry in the 90’s.

Remember that in the pharmaceutical world anything that grows naturally can not be patented, if it cannot be patented (exclusive rights or trademarked) they cannot make billions and billions of dollars. This is why a simple aspirin (willow bark/ salicylic acid) is so cheap or why heirloom or open-pollinated seed is so cheap

So cannabis and especially medical cannabis (many different types) has already been thoroughly synthesized, genetically altered and plants grown and seed (or cuttings) from these plants carefully harvested and waiting to be mass produced.

Another way I absolutely know this is the following:

When I was on my farm in Kansas around 2003 or 2004 I received a huge packet sent certified mail from the USDA (scared the crap out of me). The packet contained 40 pages (?) stating that I had already been preliminarily selected for a ‘pilot program’ to grow marijuana for the USDA. Both my husband and I already had a background search conducted by them (no felonies or any legal), our financials/taxes had been searched and fit a certain demographic (my husband was a senior vice president for Morgan Stanley/income in high 6 figures) my background as a grower/ farmer and organics or ‘specialized’ growing was desirable, the location of our main farm and other factors made us candidates for this pilot program. Remember I lived smack in the middle of Monsanto Land along with several other massive biotechnology corporations.

In this packet it stated that if I made the decision to be involved in this ‘pilot program’ and signed a very convoluted contract, I would be provided with everything to grow certain strains of cannabis, which included fully secured and highly technological greenhouses and that I would be compensated well.

I very carefully but very soundly declined. I still have that packet and is packed away in a box somewhere from my move to Virginia . . . along with several samples of chemtrail ‘dust’ and other fun stuff that could probably get me in deep trouble.

I know that cannabis is already thoroughly genetically modified because the genetics (dna) have been entirely sequenced. The only reason ‘they’ would sequence the genetic structure of cannabis is to then genetically alter and synthesize and patent their new creations.

I know that cannabis has already been genetically altered because the pot grown today in no way shape or form resembles heirloom/standard cannabis . . . not in appearance or chemical constituency. Pot today is grown from cuttings or seed that has been insanely hybridized. When 5 seeds cost upward to $50 . . . well lets just say that ain’t normal. Mine are free and come from a plant I first grew about 30 years ago and have been collecting seed all these years from each growth.

Keep in mind how genetically altered seed is produced. I don’t really want to go into this because it will go over most people’s heads. Let’s just say the seed that is ultimately used to grow the ‘final product’ is first grown from the biologically altered plant and then the seed harvested from that plant is what is used to grow the final product. I have no doubt that many strains of genetically altered seed for the final pot product is already currently stored and waiting to be distributed and there is tons of it . . . just like when the GMO grain seed hit the farmlands on a massive scale.

My predictions (for medical marijuana) based on past research, templates and experience of the very calculated implementation of GMO food:

• the legalization of cannabis medical or otherwise is going to be fast tracked at a dizzying speed
• the general population will be allowed to grow their own limited amount of pot to give a semblance of personal control and naïve sense of ‘we the little people beat them’.
• The medical world will use a plethora of ‘medicines’ that contain the genetically altered and synthesized chemical constituents in numerous ways just like statins, pain killers and medicine for depression and mental problems.
• Obamacare will push the use of these drugs and especially for mental illness and pain management
• The biotechnological companies will make gazillions of dollars and so will savvy small time growers.
• Certain countries like Uruguay will grow specific types of the genetically altered cannabis . . . this will keep the different strains from cross contaminating (keep them pure) and equalize the playing field for those countries on a global scale
• At first there will be a plethora of different types of pot and then will be narrowed down to a select few, probably over 10 to 15 years.
• These eventual select few will be promoted at different times according to how “they’ need to population to be herded toward the NWO
• The masses will categorically and systematically accept this gmo pot just as they have gmo food.

In my not so humble opinion regarding this topic, the legalization and fast track implementation of gmo cannabis is ultimately and simply a tool to be used by ‘them’ to sedate and manipulate the masses into accepting the NWO.

It is a tool.

If anything else simply Google the phrase “Is cannabis genetically modified” and see from a lay person’s point of view the truth of gmo cannabis.

So Dennis I am really sorry and I feel like a bearer of negative horrible truth around Avalon. There is illusion and there is truth and they make it VERY easy to accept the illusion and incredibly difficult (and lonely) to speak and stand by the truth.

You suggested strongly I am responsible for creating a false meme on this topic. So I hope that this post will clarify my stance a bit more and that you see the only false meme that is being created is the meme that was created and implemented by ‘them’ about 20 or so years ago.

Time will tell if I’m full of s**t . . . . but while we are waiting for that time to pass I would just ask everyone to stay on your guard and do not accept ANYTHING at face value. Question everything and often and find your own personal templates to run everything through. Sift through all the chaff to find the wheat (seed of truth)

Just like food . . .if you want to make sure you know what you are smoking or consuming . . . grow your freaking own.

[RMorgan]

Hey Blufire,

I don't agree with you.

If, even while being illegal for decades, no government could stop users from developing hundreds of different kinds of strains through cross-pollination, making it legal will make it impossible to control the independent experimentation and cultivation of weed.

How would you think the governments would be able to control which strains are being planted or not...It's impossible. Both the plant itself and the users are too diversified.

Even soy, which is incomparably less diversified than cannabis, is still being planted in its original organic form all around the world, despite the constant attempts of monopolization by GMO industries.

Let alone the fact that the marijuana industry is pretty much like the wine industry nowadays; It's not a commodity like soy. People like to plant and taste different strains as a hobby.

I'm not even sure if they will ever make transgenic marijuana, mostly because there's no reason for it. It's a strong plant that's rarely affected by plagues; Planting marijuana, even in large scale, doesn't require the use of pesticides.

We're talking about a market that's totally out of control here. This is the main reason they're making it legal in the first place, because if you can't control it, the best thing you can do is to regulate it.

Raf.

PS: GMO is a general term which isn't positive or negative...I guess you're mostly talking about Transgenics, which is when they mix genes from different species, like Monsanto does.

GMOs are pretty much natural; Nature produces them on its own. Transgenics, on the other hand, isn't natural and can be very dangerous.

[TargeT]

Posted by blufire (here)
Wow Raf . . . you usually make really educated posts but I will have to call this post of yours absolute . . . .

Just saying . . . . .

so far I'd say perhaps you are projecting on Raf what you should be owning in your self.

Posted by blufire (here)
Marijuana/cannabis has been genetically modified for years. The pot consumed today is thoroughly GMO and every strain of cannabis in the ‘medical marijuana’ industry is genetically modified or altered in some way.

This seems a bit ridiculous, I've been involved with the cultivation of cannabis for years.... since every single crossing produces a new plant, I don't see how your statements can carry any validity whatsoever, this is a unique plant that can quickly be changed at every breeding THAT is why we have the strains we have today.

My experience only stretches back 20 years, and specifically with this plant; while I don't get to enjoy the substance very often, I find the plant itself fascinating.

I've pioneered cloning, changing the way its done with cannabis to a zero failure "fool proof" method (I'm sure it would work for other plants as well) even my "hobby" grows were phenomenal from the techniques I practiced on this awesome plant. I haven't grown in dirt for years, and was heavily involved in the Humbolt county (lots of movies made about this area) growing community where hydroponics was a focus of a niche group of highly intelligent people.

I think my draw to this was that leading a double life was exciting, I put on my mask persona to go to a federal job during the day time and hung out with exactly the type of people everyone at my work would instantly judge as "scum". I guess this started in middle school, where I was the green haired skater punk in honor AP classes with strait A's..

granted, all of that doesn't mean what I say is true, but I assure you if you do a little research you'll find that this plant would be impossible to "GMO" as the first cross breeding would produce a completely new strain (IN EVERY SEED!) with no guarantee of characteristics passed on beyond the two major families (Indica and Sativa) influence.

AS for the original post... I'd say "the writing is on the wall" and good PR never hurts... Soros/rockefeller giving a few mil. away to a cause like this does nothing but help him with the landslide that will be hitting the planet soon, this plant's time in prohibitory status is almost at it's end.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by blufire (here)
There is absolutely and I do mean absolutely no doubt in my mind that many several strains of cannabis have already been genetically modified and synthesized and tons of seeds (I do mean tons) are waiting to be sent to different places around the world (like Uruguay) to be mass produced . . . . just like when GMO grain seed hit the farming industry in the 90’s.

This is conjecture, period. It's not only conjecture, but conjecture that is likely wrong. Why? Cannabis is outrageously, extremely, unstable genetically - nothing whatsoever like the genetic stability of soybeans. A farmer can save and replant soybeans year after year, from different plants, and the soybeans will be extremely similar in their biochemistry year after year. With cannabis, the amount of THC (for example) has been known to double (increase by 100%) in one generation. Moreover, every plant's genetics are different, so the most seeds that could be bagged and sold with a known parentage would be the amount of seeds that a single plant produces*, and even those seeds would have far more variety than any commercial food crop seed. Think of a blue-eyed human mating with a green-eyed human: what color would each offspring's eyes be? (Without going too far into dominant and recessive genes, the answer is "random", but with some statistical odds.)

*("clones"/plants from cuttings of the same plant, have the same parentage, and would have the same statistical odds as the parent plant of characteristics distribution within the seeds of that plant)

It would be very naive to assume that Monstersanto and their miscreant mad scientist cousins are not trying to tap this market. If they do it, it would be by inserting some foreign species' gene as a marker, something that the plants own attribute/propensity to naturally modify its own genetics could not touch. According to a watchdog site looking for GMO to creep into cannabis, no GMO cannabis/hemp has yet been achieved (as of the article's 2011 date of publication.)

To reiterate what TargeT (an expert) and the literature is telling us, growers cannot count on seeds to produce the same biochemical compounds at the same ratios. That is why growers do not use seeds - they use cuttings/clones from known plants with known characteristics. It is feasible to think of hemp (cannabis with extremely low THC - grown for fiber or oil or for food seeds) as being a more likely target for the bastards to genetically modify - because they don't need to worry about cannabinoids, only fiber and seed production. Ironically (and it gives me a chuckle), the legislation forcing tested quantities of THC to be extremely low (3/10ths of a percent) may be the undoing of any normal attempt to genetically modify cannabis and then guarantee that it won't "go rogue" and some plants start producing more THC than is allowed.

Growers (using hybridization) produced the varieties of medicinal and recreational cannabis available, not biotech companies. You simply cannot "declare" cannabis to be "all GMO" because of a sneaking suspician or because you believe tech firms are 20 years "ahead" of what is in the fields.

Dennis

[blufire]

Conjecture or speculation? Absolutely and others commenting on this thread is doing the same as well, including yourself, Raf and Target. Our challenge (or should be imo) to form the most calculated and knowledgeable and workable theories/conjectures as possible.

I don’t think the mods would appreciate if I go into a full explanation of how I grow marijuana, but let me throw out a few things.

There is a huge difference in the cannabis I grow and what TargeT is speaking of. Most hobby or ‘underground’ growers (like Target’s hydroponic friends) are delving into extreme hybridization. It is absolutely true that when working with hybridization you are never quite sure of the final product. BUT when you do manage to find the 2 parent plants to consistently cross pollinate then ding ding ding you have a winner! In the current cannabis growing world many are trying to create that better, more potent, unique product. . . . .big big bucks in this industry. Hell, when you can get $10, $20, $30 per seed why not! Go for it!

The main problem (and I being very basic here) the extreme hybridization growers have is cannabis plants are either male or female. The female plants are the plants that produce the ‘chemical desired’ as well as the seed for your next generation of plants. So to repeat the same chemical constituent in the next generation of plants (if hybridizing) you have to have the exact same male plant to pollinate the exact same female plant, which is almost next to impossible like you, Target and Raf have said. The male plants are only the pollinators of the female plants and these male plants are what are used as ‘hemp products’ . . . they make great rope among other things!

I want to be clear (for the nongrowers) that hybrid cannabis is NOT gmo. Hybridizing plants (cross pollinating ) has been going on for thousands of years. If you plant the seed from a plant that is hybridized the fruit that plant grows will be recessed back to one or the other ‘parent plants’.

An example would be ‘bi-colored sweet corn’ like Peaches and Cream sweet corn . . . it has both yellow and white kernels. To create your own ‘bi-colored corn’ (and I know because I have done it) you have to grow an all yellow kernelled sweet corn (like Candy Corn) and all white kernelled sweet corn (like Silver Queen) and make sure the pollen from these two varieties ‘intermingle’ or ‘cross-pollinate’ you harvest the seed from these cross-pollinated plants and plant that seed next year and you will have bi-colored sweet corn BUT if you use the seed from the bi-colored (hybridized) sweet corn and plant it the next year that plant and corn will revert back to one of the ‘parent plants’ you would have either all white corn or all yellow corn and more often than not, seed planted from a hybridized plant won’t produce fruit at all.

So trying to do this (hybridizing) with cannabis is VERY difficult because of the additional challenge that cannabis is either strictly female or male.

For me as a medicinal herbalist and an organic grower and concentrating on being self sustaining I have only heirloom or standard cannabis plants . . . . and I have used this seed 25 or 30 years. I started with seed from the bottom of a friend’s baggie of pot that he really liked. I only grow it (as with all my medicinal herbs) from time to time now to keep good fresh seed for when I may need this type of medicinal plant in the future.

The additional challenge with cannabis is since the chemicals desired is only in the female plants is trying to determine which plants are female BEFORE the plants ‘go to seed’. When a female plant matures to the point it ‘bolts’ or produces seed the chemical constituency is very weak in the plant. To smoke pot from a female plant that has ‘gone to seed’ may not produce the ‘desired results’ and so the trick is knowing or be able to determine which plants you are growing are female and harvesting those plants before they ‘go to seed’ to obtain the best ‘medicinal quality’ . . . . then you let a select few females ‘go to seed’ and harvest that seed for your next crop. Over the years I have become very in-tuned to the growing characteristics of my female plants, as well as, being a medicinal herbalist I do have certain lab equipment for quality control in preparing my herbal remedies.

So what has all this have to do with my comment on GMO cannabis and the main topic of this thread which is why would Rockefeller and Soros and the like be involved in cannabis?

It is very simple . . . . . the very fact that cannabis and especially high quality medicinal cannabis IS so difficult to grow IS the very reason there is no doubt in my mind that cannabis is already fully genetically modified.

It is fact that ‘they’ have already (many years ago) sequenced the genetic structure of cannabis . . . the ONLY reason this would be done IS for genetic modification.

The fact that one can purchase seed that is guaranteed to be female seed that will produce ONLY female plants of a certain chemical constituency tells me that without a doubt that is a genetically modified seed.

The fact that Rockefeller and Soros and the like are involved means (calculated conjecture and speculation here) that they are poised to mass produce cannabis and the only way consistently uniform cannabis can be grown and for it to constantly and uniformly produce the “desired chemical” is for that cannabis to be thoroughly GMO or genetically sequenced and modified.

And there is no doubt in my mind that this genetically modified seed has already been grown (I was approached to be one of those growers) and is carefully stored waiting to be planted in fields . . . . like the fields of Uruguay.

[TargeT]

Posted by blufire (here)
The main problem (and I being very basic here) the extreme hybridization growers have is cannabis plants are either male or female.

I'll stop you right there, one of the techniques we worked on heavily was the (for lack of a better term) hermaphroditation of plants,, there are ways (which I won't elaborate since this is questionable ground with the rules) to cause a plant to produce only female seeds, no more crap shoots, no more waiting to see the sex of the plant, guaranteed female. (and even this trait doesn't breed true, if you pollinate one of these hermy plants F2 (after the first generation) you are not guaranteed to get a seed that grows a plant that does the same thing)

Posted by blufire (here)
The female plants are the plants that produce the ‘chemical desired’ as well as the seed for your next generation of plants. So to repeat the same chemical constituent in the next generation of plants (if hybridizing) you have to have the exact same male plant to pollinate the exact same female plant, which is almost next to impossible like you, Target and Raf have said. The male plants are only the pollinators of the female plants and these male plants are what are used as ‘hemp products’ . . . they make great rope among other things!

couple of clarifications, both male and female plants can be used for "hemp products" they both have the same fibrous stalks and oils.. the female plant simply has the "flowers" (buds, female sex organs, call them what you will) which produce trichomes (from my testing I surmise that this is a protective and pollen collection measure, I am able to stress plants to increase the production of trichomes.. but that is sort of off topic i guess).

I will admit that I never knew for sure that I was growing a pure indica or sativa plant, I prefered a hybrid that was a 30-70 or 40-60 mix (pure guesses, see the problem with each seed being a different strain).

I'm quite sure however that even if you cross the same plant to the same plant (more than once), the seeds will not be consistent, they will each be individual plants with different characteristics.

Posted by blufire (here)

So trying to do this (hybridizing) with cannabis is VERY difficult because of the additional challenge that cannabis is either strictly female or male.

I don't understand the difficulty? if I take a short, fat, heavy producing indica plant and cross it with a talk, lanky light producing sativa, I clearly get hybrid seeds... this happened every time I tried it. Perhaps your version of hybrid and mine are a bit different.. but from my understanding of the word, its as simple as that.

Posted by blufire (here)
For me as a medicinal herbalist and an organic grower and concentrating on being self sustaining I have only heirloom or standard cannabis plants . . . . and I have used this seed 25 or 30 years. I started with seed from the bottom of a friend’s baggie of pot that he really liked. I only grow it (as with all my medicinal herbs) from time to time now to keep good fresh seed for when I may need this type of medicinal plant in the future.

The additional challenge with cannabis is since the chemicals desired is only in the female plants is trying to determine which plants are female BEFORE the plants ‘go to seed’. When a female plant matures to the point it ‘bolts’ or produces seed the chemical constituency is very weak in the plant. To smoke pot from a female plant that has ‘gone to seed’ may not produce the ‘desired results’ and so the trick is knowing or be able to determine which plants you are growing are female and harvesting those plants before they ‘go to seed’ to obtain the best ‘medicinal quality’ . . . . then you let a select few females ‘go to seed’ and harvest that seed for your next crop. Over the years I have become very in-tuned to the growing characteristics of my female plants, as well as, being a medicinal herbalist I do have certain lab equipment for quality control in preparing my herbal remedies.

I'm not sure what you are saying here. if there are no male plants present, there are no seeds (excluding the Hermy plants I spoke of before, those can self pollinate from time to time, but it's generally rare). I never paid attention to WHEN I pollinated for seeds (I usually used a small paint brush and one of the many bags of pollen I had collected from "desirable doaners") but the trichomes were always present and I'd often harvest half the plant or more before pollinating to get a few seeds, no drop in chimical constituency at all... (and its very easy to tell which plant is female and which is male FAR before the males produce their pollen sacs and the females start to bud)

Posted by blufire (here)
So what has all this have to do with my comment on GMO cannabis and the main topic of this thread which is why would Rockefeller and Soros and the like be involved in cannabis?

It is very simple . . . . . the very fact that cannabis and especially high quality medicinal cannabis IS so difficult to grow IS the very reason there is no doubt in my mind that cannabis is already fully genetically modified.

But... It's not difficult to grow? not at all?

Posted by blufire (here)
It is fact that ‘they’ have already (many years ago) sequenced the genetic structure of cannabis . . . the ONLY reason this would be done IS for genetic modification.

but that was for one plant only,, a plant today will have different markers, you would have to do this over and over and over to understand which marker does what... one sequencing is not enough.

Posted by blufire (here)
The fact that one can purchase seed that is guaranteed to be female seed that will produce ONLY female plants of a certain chemical constituency tells me that without a doubt that is a genetically modified seed.

I've been doing this for years, it involves stressing the plant, THAT'S IT.. I can do it pretty reliably to any plant I want to.. with a high success rate.. I never "GMO'd" them.. I wouldn't even know how to.

Posted by blufire (here)
The fact that Rockefeller and Soros and the like are involved means (calculated conjecture and speculation here) that they are poised to mass produce cannabis and the only way consistently uniform cannabis can be grown and for it to constantly and uniformly produce the “desired chemical” is for that cannabis to be thoroughly GMO or genetically sequenced and modified.

And there is no doubt in my mind that this genetically modified seed has already been grown (I was approached to be one of those growers) and is carefully stored waiting to be planted in fields . . . . like the fields of Uruguay.

I think you saw some stuff that had been worked on in indoor grows for years (the feminized hermy plants specifically) and assumed (which I can completely understand) that this was done via some sort of science or GMO; since the core of your assumption is wrong; please revisit your understanding.

[blufire]

I’ll ask one quick question.

TargeT it is obvious you have a lot of experience in intensive growing hybridized cannabis in a highly controlled environment.

I have intensive growing experience with standard heirloom cannabis in field conditions

There is obvious huge extreme differences in the 2 growing methods.

In your experience and knowledge with purely hybridized cannabis is it possible to recreate these same plants and product in a mass production situation? I’m speaking on a scale of thousands of acres and out in fields where the plants will be exposed to varying weather conditions, weeds and pests?

I couldn’t . . . . not thousands of acres in one growing season . . . no more than I could grow thousands of acres of corn or soy beans without genetic modification.

. . . . and I am a master grower/farmer with 30+ years of experience.

[TargeT]

Posted by blufire (here)
I’ll ask one quick question.

TargeT it is obvious you have a lot of experience in intensive growing hybridized cannabis in a highly controlled environment.

I have intensive growing experience with standard heirloom cannabis in field conditions

There is obvious huge extreme differences in the 2 growing methods.

In your experience and knowledge with purely hybridized cannabis is it possible to recreate these same plants and product in a mass production situation? I’m speaking on a scale of thousands of acres and out in fields where the plants will be exposed to varying weather conditions, weeds and pests?

I couldn't . . . . not thousands of acres in one growing season . . . no more than I could grow thousands of acres of corn or soy beans without genetic modification.

. . . . and I am a master grower/farmer with 30+ years of experience.

anything is technically possible, but growing outside introduces far too many variables, all of my grows were indoors, controlled light, air, temperature, nutrients, water PH & PPM levels.. there's not a single thing I didn't have at least some form of control over or influence on.. our growing methods are not comparable at all.

now with that in mind, your idea of mass production and mine may differ quite a bit also; I see mass production as a ware house, you see acres of land.

when you say "these same plants" what do you mean exactly? the feminized plants? the F1 seeds will ALL be feminized, so I could produce hundreds of thousands of seeds from a controlled environment and plant them out doors, that could be one way of doing it; something similar to how Monsanto produces it's terminator seeds, then sends them out to farmers so they can grow 1 crop that won't produce seeds again. or massive clone production, that would provide a very consistent (and really the only true way to be consistent) outcome.


Could I grow plants outside like I do indoors? no; but there are some pretty good techniques for out doors, it's basically impossible to reproduce the power and light spectrum of the sun (lighting was one of my favorite things to experiment with, and the key to a lot of growing tech.s) out door bubble buckets ( or you could do water rails) with supplemental lighting (to push the light cycle to 18/6) could do some amazing things; but I prefer to control the temp (and most importantly, humidity) for the best results.

I'm not quite sure what your are asking on the out doors question, are you talking about plant density (ie plants per square foot)? plant characteristics? large scale out door grows are very successful (but too risky IMO).

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by blufire (here)
I couldn’t . . . . not thousands of acres in one growing season . . . no more than I could grow thousands of acres of corn or soy beans without genetic modification.

. . . . and I am a master grower/farmer with 30+ years of experience.

Agriculture (in some form) has been going on for 10,000 years. Greed-driven opportunists have been genetically modifying corn, soy, beets, alfalfa, etc for less than 30 years. I grew up in Ohio and visited relatives in Nebraska. Between my home state and in my travels, I saw hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of acres of corn, wheat, beans...later soy beans. ALL of those thousands of acres of food were non-GMO, because GMO had not been "invented" by the Dark Ones that want to control all food. There was no boost of ANY sort when GMO seeds were developed and sold. No boost in nutrition, no boost in drought-resistance, no boost in wilt resistance... only a boost in profits for the Dark Forces.

YOU may have convinced yourself that thousands of acres of crops cannot be grown without GMO, but it has already been done, for decades and decades. That is not conjecture. It has been done. There was enough to feed all the people domestically, all the cattle and pigs and fowl, and giant ships full of NON-GMO crops grown in the US were shipped around the world. Do you remember this? Do you know this is true? GMOs provide no benefits to society at all, only to the Dark Ones.

[gripreaper]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by blufire (here)
I couldn’t . . . . not thousands of acres in one growing season . . . no more than I could grow thousands of acres of corn or soy beans without genetic modification. . . . . and I am a master grower/farmer with 30+ years of experience.

Agriculture (in some form) has been going on for 10,000 years. I grew up in Ohio and visited relatives in Nebraska. Between my home state and in my travels, I saw hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of acres of corn, wheat, beans...later soy beans. ALL of those thousands of acres of food were non-GMO, because GMO had not been "invented" by the Dark Ones that want to control all food.

And there's plenty of water and plenty of agricultural land too, but for the machinations of the dark forces who want to exterminate us by introducing toxins into the environment via GMO's. See my post here on the reduce population thread.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...212#post774212

[jackovesk]

Posted by sigma6 (here)
haven't read all the posts, but just wanted to get my two cents in!

They want in on the ground floor, this is something new, outside of their control, and they want to start collecting and analyzing the data from day one, that is how these people operate, they want to figure out the politics, economics and social interpretation before anyone else...

Another thing I heard the legalization isn't the way to go, it should be decriminalization. Legalization implies government licensing, control manipulation, and that is where these Skanker Kings could have a huge influence, they could try to come in there, finance everything and take control.

KEEP IT SIMPLE ... YOU KNOW THESE GUYS CAN'T BE TRUSTED... THEY ONLY HAVE ONE INTEREST... CONTROL...

If I was Mujica, I'd have 24 hour surveillance on those guys and tell them to take their filthy blood money and get the hell out of my damned country.

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