Famous French Comedian: 'Zionism is dividing Humanity' Interview with Dieudonné (English Subtitles)

[jackovesk]

Published on Feb 2, 2014

What I'm trying to say is that Zionism is dividing humanity. It is trying to rule by making us fight one another. They have organized all the wars and organized all the disorders on this planet." -- Dieudonne

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=j3pvWdlOGK0

PS -

[rgray222]

Posted by jackovesk (here)
Published on Feb 2, 2014

What I'm trying to say is that Zionism is dividing humanity. It is trying to rule by making us fight one another. They have organized all the wars and organized all the disorders on this planet." -- Dieudonne

It is clear to me that Dieudonné wants to create anger and hatred which only causes divisiveness. The only unity that he is striving for is the hatred of one race of people towards another. If that much energy, time and effort were put forward trying to bring people together the world would be a much better place. When the seeds of hatred are planted we all lose.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6Ir1TMFzB80

[Atlas]

Thank you for posting jackovesk.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=s7AQfpaoQlk

"Shoahnanas" is a parody of another French artist: Annie Cordy in "Chokakao" (hot chocolate):

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wY8Nms_VcWY

[jackovesk]

Posted by rgray222 (here)

Posted by jackovesk (here)
Published on Feb 2, 2014

What I'm trying to say is that Zionism is dividing humanity. It is trying to rule by making us fight one another. They have organized all the wars and organized all the disorders on this planet." -- Dieudonne

It is clear to me that Dieudonné wants to create anger and hatred which only causes divisiveness. The only unity that he is striving for is the hatred of one race of people towards another. If that much energy, time and effort were put forward trying to bring people together the world would be a much better place. When the seeds of hatred are planted we all lose.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6Ir1TMFzB80

I'm sorry but I don't agree...

Dieudonné is a Proud Frenchman who has seen 1st hand along with most French people that their Govt's Immigration Policy has been specifically started to ((Divide)) the Nation...

It was done by (Design) by the PTW for this very reason...

I'd be too...

[Hervé]

T'as raison Jacko: rgray222, il a rien compris!

Psssttt... see this thread: Look who's paranoid now!

[rgray222]

Posted by jackovesk (here)

Posted by rgray222 (here)

Posted by jackovesk (here)
Published on Feb 2, 2014

What I'm trying to say is that Zionism is dividing humanity. It is trying to rule by making us fight one another. They have organized all the wars and organized all the disorders on this planet." -- Dieudonne

It is clear to me that Dieudonné wants to create anger and hatred which only causes divisiveness. The only unity that he is striving for is the hatred of one race of people towards another. If that much energy, time and effort were put forward trying to bring people together the world would be a much better place. When the seeds of hatred are planted we all lose.

I'm sorry but I don't agree...

Dieudonné is a Proud Frenchman who has seen 1st hand along with most French people that their Govt's Immigration Policy has been specifically started to ((Divide)) the Nation...

It was done by (Design) by the PTW for this very reason...

I'd be too...

The problem is that the Powers That Be always divide and conquer, the way that control is maintained and manipulated to to buy into their division and hate.

We see it everyday, the great divide between political parties (almost and all out war today) the war on women, the war on the rich, the race war, this list just goes on and on.

The everyday man and woman have the real power and it can never be realized until we stop buying into their hate and their warmongering. Our politicians and the media are in lock step with the PTB. They facilitate the hate (even if they don't realize they are doing it). The PTB feed on the real wars and the soft wars and until we unite as a people, we stand no chance of moving forward and raising the level of our consciousness.

When we (myself included) post hateful and divisive articles and videos we are doing the bidding of the PTB. They can't do it unless we buy into it. We can't stop it unless we understand that we have become their allies and it is us that is perpetuating their hate, anger and war. Without our help they cannot maintain their power.

[Milneman]

Is there a difference between anti-zionism and anti-semitism?

This is the question I'm asking myself now, having read the first and previous threads of this nature.

In my opinion, there is a very fine line being walked here, and it's dangerous because there is no clear definition between a political agenda and one driven at it's heart by beliefs that are yes, political, but motivated by racial hate.

That is something that needs to be stated very clearly when one posts these kinds of videos and statements. Without that definition, the readers of these threads are left wondering if you're anti-semitic, a fundamentalist islamist, a political, or a troll. And I have to say, having spent the last two weeks trying to define my own positions in essay writing more clearly, that it's necessary if you're going to make a point unless you'd rather hide behind what other people want to assume you're thinking.

If anyone seriously thinks it's Zionism dividing humanity, what I then have to ask myself is from what basis are they taking that opinion? So I google the comedian's name to see what I can learn. I find this article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26159048 which in part states the following:

A judge in Paris has ordered French comedian Dieudonne M'bala M'bala to remove two parts of a YouTube video deemed insulting to Jews.

The judge said the two segments, which were specifically related to the Holocaust, could incite racial hatred.

Dieudonne, who already has convictions for hate speech, was also given a 1,500 euro ($2,045; £1,230) fine.

He has caused controversy in recent months, with one of his shows banned over concerns of anti-Semitism.

The comedian has already been convicted six times of hate speech against Jews, and already owed 65,000 euros in fines before this latest conviction.

and...

Holocaust denial

The video in question is called "2014, year of the Quenelle".

In one of the clips that the judge ruled as insulting to Jews, Dieudonne referred his audience to the French academic and Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson when asked about whether the gas chambers existed.

A complaint was lodged by the Jewish Student Union, which called for the online video to be removed altogether.

Last week, Dieudonne was acquitted over the dissemination of another video in which he called for the release of a man who tortured and murdered a Jewish man in 2006.

On that occasion, the court ruled it could not prove he was behind the video's release.

His trademark "quenelle" gesture has been described by his critics as an "inverted Nazi salute".

But Dieudonne says it is an anti-establishment gesture, and denies that he is an anti-Semite, saying he is anti-Zionist.

Having read through the Wikipedia entry, I see two things. First, the man loves the limelight more than a drag queen and apparently will push as many buttons to get attention. But the other thing that keeps popping up is that he claims himself to be an anti-zionist but not an anti-semite.

So what makes the difference? Anti-zionism is going to be purely political in it's softest form. It's going to be about politics and less about racial/ethnic profiling. This isn't what Dieudonne is showing. He's demonstrating very clear behaviors which are associated with cultural and religious beliefs directly linked to Judaism, and he's subtly promoting and agreeing with basic, if not radical, ideas consistent with anti-semitism. Anyone who even remotely concurs with ideas consistent with National Socialism has a screw loose if they think it's not going to at some point be linked with racist doctrines. You know the situation when you climb on that boat, you sail with it, you don't try and con the world to believe it's not true.

I find it not only haphazard to discuss these kinds of topics without clarification, but I find it immoral. Freedom of speech and belief come with the price of being able to use common sense. If there is common sense to be seen in this, I've yet to identify it. I've yet to see anything remotely scholarly, remotely academic, remotely unbiased. The only point that I am able to repeatedly see is there is a political agenda driven by Judaism, specifically Zionism, in attempt to remodel the world and give Islam a bad time. This is VERBATIM the formula used by National Socialism in Nazi Germany.

I will not suggest that there is no truth in these kinds of posts; I will however point out that it behoves the message if it is wrapped in any kind of flag that leads one to have to discern that a group, religious, political, or otherwise, is creating a state where victimhood via racism can be used to empower an action against that group.

How, Jack, is that an evolved way of proceeding to resolving a conflict?

[aikisaw]

Milneman
If anyone seriously thinks it's Zionism dividing humanity, what I then have to ask myself is from what basis are they taking that opinion?

Fair question. Action taken......

Milneman
So I google the comedian's name to see what I can learn

Let's look at the messenger. Yes!!! if he is discredited we no longer have to look at his message. We will not have to wonder why these ideas are resonating with people. Dieudonne is a racist hater, we can all go home now. If Dieudonne is a racist and Jack posted his video...well Jack must be a racist too. Those people who identify with calling out Zionists must be racists!! Thread over nothing to see here.

The problem is when you watch his videos, he doesn't come off as a racist hater. In the Pineapple vid he talks about how many kids he could feed with 30,000 Euros fine he was assessed. I have been reading Jackovesk's posts for some time and I don't think is a hater or a racists. I would guess that most of those who agree with Dieudonne's message are not either.

So maybe look at Dieudonne's complaints or message. There might be others who have similar ideas and message. They may have a point!!

[Milneman]

Hitler was an artist who was vegetarian, hated smoking for the risks it had to your health, loved opera, cream cakes, and german shepherds...does that mean he had a point too?

My aunt was a Baha'i in Iran at the exact moment of the revolution. Did the Ayatollah, being a devout muslim cleric, have a point?

I'm going to post a VERY derogatory cartoon video here. Mods, if you remove it for violation of the t.o.s. I will not argue, and will understand because of the very nature of what its portraying. This gets played on Iranian state television. Do these have points? What makes these videos any different from his? Except for the fact they are blatantly obvious and not hiding behind rules of politically correctness...and FYI I consider them anti-semitic although I'm sure it will be argued they are anti-zionist in nature by those in Iran.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kzH-YN3Knto

What I'm saying is this: you cannot differentiate between anti-semitism and anti-zionism. It's a fraud to do so.

How is this cartoon any different than what this so-called comedian is portraying, except that the cartoon is at least paying us the compliment of being honest in what the artists are trying to state?

[aikisaw]

Milneman
What I'm saying is this: you cannot differentiate between anti-semitism and anti-zionism. It's a fraud to do so.

Horse sh*t.....There are many who do this ..... Jews who do this. You may be unwilling, but that does not make it fact.

I am curious as to your interpretation of the video.

You still have not brought up a topic discussed by Dieudonne. You need to explain why these ideas are becoming popular. It isn't racism. Why the OP has a problem with Zionism.

I would answer your questions at the top of the post but I do not have the time and that would derail the thread. Remember we live in the world of the Victors ....how is that working out?

Just so you are aware Wikipedia is known as Ziopedia in some research circles.

[jackovesk]

Posted by Milneman (here)

That is something that needs to be stated very clearly when one posts these kinds of videos and statements. Without that definition, the readers of these threads are left wondering if you're anti-semitic, a fundamentalist islamist, a political, or a troll.


If anyone seriously thinks it's Zionism dividing humanity, what I then have to ask myself is from what basis are they taking that opinion?

Within the 'Context' of your post, your intended/non intended 'Accusations' are somewhat confusing...

Cmon Sunshine, lighten up...

PS - Perhaps you might like to re-read your OP and start all over again...

I don't care for Zionism, Racism or any other form that demeans another human being &/or group...

I (Do Care) about how these terms are constantly used by the PTW to play off one against the other to divide us all...

Posted by jackovesk (here)

Dieudonné is a Proud Frenchman who has seen 1st hand along with most French people that their Govt's Immigration Policy has been specifically started to ((Divide)) the Nation...

It was done by (Design) by the PTW for this very reason...

I'd be too...

[rgray222]

Threads like this are very useful, primarily because they touch a raw nerve with a lot of people. When the nerve is exposed it gets a lot of great discussion out that is otherwise left unsaid.

The danger of a thread like this is that people lose there cool and respond before they have given much thought to what they are actually saying. Also for whatever reason people take things personally. So my caution is read the comments and if you want to respond, take some time and give it some thought.

Cmon Sunshine, lighten up...

T'as raison Jacko: rgray222, il a rien compris!

Comments like these can quickly escalate the discussion into an argument.
This particular topic is one that people don't (and shouldn't) take very lightly.

After living and working in Paris for several years it is clear to me that Dieudonné does not give and accurate assessment of what is really going on in France. He has an agenda and seems willing to say whatever he wants to move that agenda forward.

Also I am amused at the entire interview, to say it is staged is a bit of an understatement. A woman conducting the interview on Iranian TV. The Iranians are a bit more moderate towards women than some other middle east countries but not when it comes to the media. Many have been put in jail over their "opinions" so most women avoid it all cost. Iran is ruled as an iron fist theocracy and freedom is speech is not at the top of their list. There is little doubt that this interview was carefully staged and orchestrated, in my opinion the purpose was to rally hatred towards the Jewish race not just within Iran but around the world.

Jackovesk, you started this thread without giving us your views on the subject and from the comments you are making its a logical assumption that you like what Dieudonné has to say.

Also what is it that you expected to accomplish by starting this thread. As I said, I am not opposed to discussing sensitive topics like this but I do think it is a good idea for op's to tell us what they think about topics they start and why we should feel one way or another. Especially when the subject matter is very volatile.

[Hervé]

Comment like this:

Posted by rgray222 (here)

T'as raison Jacko: rgray222, il a rien compris!

... came from comment like that:

Posted by rgray222 (here)
It is clear to me that Dieudonné wants to create anger and hatred which only causes divisiveness. The only unity that he is striving for is the hatred of one race of people towards another. [...]

He is not causing the divisiveness; TPTB is!

CQFD

The whole ridiculous situation came about from the "Quenelle" labelled as a reverse Nazi salute by TPTB... it's about of the same order of ridiculousness as labeling the middle finger as a mini Nazi salute... watch it: the latter is probably not gonna take long to come from one of those states near you.

[Shezbeth]

There seems to be a distinction between the terms/practices (of a) Zionist (zionism) and Judaist (judaism). Further, to attempt to equate the two appears an attempt to favorably categorize one as being consistent with the other, which is a logical fallacy and inaccurate. Those individuated groups - love 'em or hate 'em (for whatever irr/rational reasons) - come from different backgrounds, geographies, histories, etc. despite the numerous attempts to skew the matter otherwise.

[jackovesk]

Posted by rgray222 (here)
Threads like this are very useful, primarily because they touch a raw nerve with a lot of people. When the nerve is exposed it gets a lot of great discussion out that is otherwise left unsaid.

The danger of a thread like this is that people lose there cool and respond before they have given much thought to what they are actually saying. Also for whatever reason people take things personally. So my caution is read the comments and if you want to respond, take some time and give it some thought.

Cmon Sunshine, lighten up...

T'as raison Jacko: rgray222, il a rien compris!

Comments like these can quickly escalate the discussion into an argument.
This particular topic is one that people don't (and shouldn't) take very lightly.

After living and working in Paris for several years it is clear to me that Dieudonné does not give and accurate assessment of what is really going on in France. He has an agenda and seems willing to say whatever he wants to move that agenda forward.

Also I am amused at the entire interview, to say it is staged is a bit of an understatement. A woman conducting the interview on Iranian TV. The Iranians are a bit more moderate towards women than some other middle east countries but not when it comes to the media. Many have been put in jail over their "opinions" so most women avoid it all cost. Iran is ruled as an iron fist theocracy and freedom is speech is not at the top of their list. There is little doubt that this interview was carefully staged and orchestrated, in my opinion the purpose was to rally hatred towards the Jewish race not just within Iran but around the world.

Jackovesk, you started this thread without giving us your views on the subject and from the comments you are making its a logical assumption that you like what Dieudonné has to say.

Also what is it that you expected to accomplish by starting this thread. As I said, I am not opposed to discussing sensitive topics like this but I do think it is a good idea for op's to tell us what they think about topics they start and why we should feel one way or another. Especially when the subject matter is very volatile.

I just spent the last 45 minutes writing a just reply to your questions and when I wen to press send my computer crashed...

Fk Fk Fk I hate it when that happens...

I'm not going to spend another 45 minutes to re-post it...

Fk Fk Fk it was really well thought out too, with Definitions, Explanations, Insight & a World-Wide Consensus...

If you want me to address the issue that upsets you so, please put your "Specific" questions you want answered and I'll do my best to cater a reply...

Pleas present you question in a 'Bullet-Point' format e.g.

• Question 1
• Question 2
• Question 3

Its amazing what you learn when going through the (Connecting...The...Dots) phase e.g.

Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is prejudice, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews for reasons connected to their Jewish religion or heritage.[1] A person who holds such positions is called an "antisemite". As Jews are an ethnoreligious group, antisemtism is often considered a form of racism.

I'm aware now what 'Antisemitism' really means, however just like the word 'Sustainabilty' the word 'Antisemtism' has been used & abused so much by the PTW/MSM its no effing wonder people just...

SWITCH-OFF...

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Milneman (here)
So what makes the difference? Anti-zionism is going to be purely political in it's softest form. It's going to be about politics and less about racial/ethnic profiling. This isn't what Dieudonne is showing. He's demonstrating very clear behaviors which are associated with cultural and religious beliefs directly linked to Judaism, and he's subtly promoting and agreeing with basic, if not radical, ideas consistent with anti-semitism.

The bastards in power clearly provoke hatred and prejudice amongst the peoples of this earth. Said bastards have been up to this for all of recorded history, and likely for much more history whose records are no longer allowed to be seen by us non-elite humans.

For example, said bastards have played up the evils of the holocaust, while at the same time down playing other such evil mass murders of millions and millions, including some by the nation where I have lived all my life, and where I once served honorably in a military up to no good.

Anyone who would seek the truth of what happened with the Jews in Germany during the Third Reich is branded a holocaust denier, and their efforts are even illegal in Germany. Anyone who objects to the violence done "in the name of the victims of the holocaust" is branded an anti-Semite.

The resulting outrage, inflamed by said bastards, is used to justify ongoing crimes against humanity, and to suppress truth seekers, even now, over a half century later.

Those who would point this out are accused of being the racists, the radicals, the enemies of society.

There comes a time when it is the duty of each responsible person to seek the truth, and if this places them in jeopardy from an evil state, there comes a time when it is the duty of each responsible person to let the evil state be seen for what it is, even at grave risk to themselves and their loved ones.

[jackovesk]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Milneman (here)
So what makes the difference? Anti-zionism is going to be purely political in it's softest form. It's going to be about politics and less about racial/ethnic profiling. This isn't what Dieudonne is showing. He's demonstrating very clear behaviors which are associated with cultural and religious beliefs directly linked to Judaism, and he's subtly promoting and agreeing with basic, if not radical, ideas consistent with anti-semitism.

The bastards in power clearly provoke hatred and prejudice amongst the peoples of this earth. Said bastards have been up to this for all of recorded history, and likely for much more history whose records are no longer allowed to be seen by us non-elite humans.

For example, said bastards have played up the evils of the holocaust, while at the same time down playing other such evil mass murders of millions and millions, including some by the nation where I have lived all my life, and where I once served honorably in a military up to no good.

Anyone who would seek the truth of what happened with the Jews in Germany during the Third Reich is branded a holocaust denier, and their efforts are even illegal in Germany. Anyone who objects to the violence done "in the name of the victims of the holocaust" is branded an anti-Semite.

The resulting outrage, inflamed by said bastards, is used to justify ongoing crimes against humanity, and to suppress truth seekers, even now, over a half century later.

Those who would point this out are accused of being the racists, the radicals, the enemies of society.

There comes a time when it is the duty of each responsible person to seek the truth, and if this places them in jeopardy from an evil state, there comes a time when it is the duty of each responsible person to let the evil state be seen for what it is, even at grave risk to themselves and their loved ones.

Well that about (Sums it all UP) for me there Paul...

I think you have highlighted and covered quite a large cross-section of relevant points relating to the said issue/s at hand...

Excellent, now I don't have to write another explanation post...

[aikisaw]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Milneman (here)
So what makes the difference? Anti-zionism is going to be purely political in it's softest form. It's going to be about politics and less about racial/ethnic profiling. This isn't what Dieudonne is showing. He's demonstrating very clear behaviors which are associated with cultural and religious beliefs directly linked to Judaism, and he's subtly promoting and agreeing with basic, if not radical, ideas consistent with anti-semitism.

The bastards in power clearly provoke hatred and prejudice amongst the peoples of this earth. Said bastards have been up to this for all of recorded history, and likely for much more history whose records are no longer allowed to be seen by us non-elite humans.

For example, said bastards have played up the evils of the holocaust, while at the same time down playing other such evil mass murders of millions and millions, including some by the nation where I have lived all my life, and where I once served honorably in a military up to no good.

Anyone who would seek the truth of what happened with the Jews in Germany during the Third Reich is branded a holocaust denier, and their efforts are even illegal in Germany. Anyone who objects to the violence done "in the name of the victims of the holocaust" is branded an anti-Semite.

The resulting outrage, inflamed by said bastards, is used to justify ongoing crimes against humanity, and to suppress truth seekers, even now, over a half century later.

Those who would point this out are accused of being the racists, the radicals, the enemies of society.

There comes a time when it is the duty of each responsible person to seek the truth, and if this places them in jeopardy from an evil state, there comes a time when it is the duty of each responsible person to let the evil state be seen for what it is, even at grave risk to themselves and their loved ones.

What a pleasant surprise, to wake up and read this. There have been very few good moments researching these subjects, your post is certainly one of them. The thanks button doesn't cover it ...So thanks.

[Flash]

What is sruprising to me is that nobody adresses the true message of Dieusonné.

He was making the Quenelle gesture for anything corrupted to the core. So of course, there was more Quenelle for government elected officials, for head of banks, and for other corrupted people such as people in EU government, World Bank, etc.

His target was first corruption. It happened that one of the most corrupted politician in France is married to a Zionist Jew and he used it to combat Dieudonné speeches. Then it went around as anti-semitism, which it was not to start with. Of course, since most head of banks are Jewish too, and many other corrupted in power, it could have seemed being anti-semitic.

After having been sued relentlessly, after having been agressed, etc, then he started talking about Zionist dirty work to shut up any critics and doing them the Quenelle.

To the message was not primarily anti-jews, it was anti corruption. It is a Zionist who started the polemic as being antisemitic.

[jackovesk]

Posted by Flash (here)
What is sruprising to me is that nobody adresses the true message of Dieusonné.

He was making the Quenelle gesture for anything corrupted to the core. So of course, there was more Quenelle for government elected officials, for head of banks, and for other corrupted people such as people in EU government, World Bank, etc.

His target was first corruption. It happened that one of the most corrupted politician in France is married to a Zionist Jew and he used it to combat Dieudonné speeches. Then it went around as anti-semitism, which it was not to start with. Of course, since most head of banks are Jewish too, and many other corrupted in power, it could have seemed being anti-semitic.

After having been sued relentlessly, after having been agressed, etc, then he started talking about Zionist dirty work to shut up any critics and doing them the Quenelle.

To the message was not primarily anti-jews, it was anti corruption. It is a Zionist who started the polemic as being antisemitic.

Some (excellent and balanced) reporting from my cheeky French/Canadian friend...

Ya see there are no (Language/Cultural) barriers when it comes to the TRUTH...!

PS - Hey Flash whatever happened to those threads? Kids getting in the way again...