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    Default Re: COINTELPRO 2.0 confirmed: How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet (Snowden GCHQ docs confirm)

    (edit - while crafting this post I see Bill's content was posted)

    Well I only started my thread (in News and Updates) after it was suggested I do so, in the ongoing Snowden thread on page 30 or so where I posted links within an hour after the article was posted by Greenwald on the net.

    Then I discovered one earlier thread with a poor title that did not indicate it's contents. Then I watched my thread moved with a merge to Conspiracy, now moved again in another merge to General Discussions.

    So every time I return to my thread it's in a different forum. it would seem to me that merges should keep the oldest thread in it's original location, but that's just me.

    I agree about everyone started new threads on same link is unhelpful, part of the problem is a subject like this might go in Current Events, News and Updates, Conspiracy, or General Discussion. There are somewhat confusing overlapping subject sub-forums and that encourages duplication.

    I now follow Greenwald's twitter feed and comments section and see almost every substantive link related to this article and all of Snowden's released document contents. I refer all to my first post for links to Glenn's twitter feed.


    Mod hat on again

    Hi, MJ -- thanks for this. All understood. I did at least some of the merging myself, and might easily have made an error somewhere. I saw that it had been recommended that you start your own thread on this, and in my opinion that was the right thing to do.

    To all others: it's easy to miss a news item which has already been posted. But I'd much rather something important was posted several times (and the mods can then take care of the cleanup, if needed), than not at all.



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    Default Re: COINTELPRO 2.0 confirmed: How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet (Snowden GCHQ docs confirm)

    Glenn's comment section provides great examples of these thread derailers as well - I have no doubt he has these dirty tricksters all over his comments and he has excellent responses to them.

    (Glenn's replies (in bold) to the derailers/shills):

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    26 Feb 2014 at 10:58 am



    For ****’s sake, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker did that telling his employees and campaign aides to go to news websites and post comments promoting him and his record (http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...246713991.html) Is he working for NSA or GCHQ too?

    Now *that is a dedicated and hard-core Democratic partisan shill and Obama loyalist: finding ways to turn a story about NSA/GCHQ deceit into a complaint about some Republican governor. Congrats. An MSNBC chair awaits.


    What’s compromising the internet is that you have the biggest ****ing racket around: Posting powerpoint slides with no context whatsoever and projecting whatever phobias you’re hiding under your tinfoil hat while Pierre pays you the big bucks for it.

    NO CONTEXT is the new preferred Dem partisan platitude when faced with documents that make them uncomfortable.

    This isn’t the first story I’ve reported on these documents. It’s the fourth. NBC spent a good deal of time talking to GCHQ about the “context”. The documents themselves provide a lot more. There’s zero question they used these tactics as the links make clear, and the very last page of the new document says that they are currently training 150+ new operatives trained in these tactics for full roll-out in early 2013. There’s your context.
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    Default Re: COINTELPRO 2.0 confirmed: How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet (Snowden GCHQ docs confirm)

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    This, too, has been posted and discussed in several other threads. But it's worth reiterating:

    The mods and I are very confident that the Avalon 'firewall' (i.e. the very rigorous new member application process) works really pretty well to protect the forum from destructive and divisive "drop-in" comments that plague so many other forums and chatrooms in exactly the way this article and others describe.

    The vast majority of the occasional road bumps we experience here in the Avalon community are a natural (and largely healthy) product of human nature. We're a very eclectic community, with between us a wide variety of cultures, nationalities, experiences, abilities, professions, knowledge bases, and backgrounds. So it's quite natural that we may not all agree on certain details.

    That's all right and proper. The big, broad picture -- that we're not told the truth in the mainstream media, that our planet in general and the human race in particular is in deep trouble, that human freedom is under serious assault, that there has been a coup on Planet Earth, and that there's a huge conflict going on which for some reason may be of great importance not only to us -- is shared by almost all members.

    Sometimes, a few key individuals are targeted by means far more sophisticated than anything Snowden has ever described: electronic and/or psychic warfare, deployed remotely. This is real.

    That's the only really viable way for an enemy to get past the firewall, and it's definitely utilized from time to time. Fortunately, there are also (a) many members who are very able to perceive such anomalies, and (b) many members who are very able to handle them. The mods team is also fully aware of all this, and between them possess not a small amount of competence. It's a fascinating and important topic.

    Again,

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    Default Re: COINTELPRO 2.0 confirmed: How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet (Snowden GCHQ docs confirm)

    the agents of corruption and control are probably more prevalent than we know ... the sad part is taxpayers pay for all the agents of government to spy on us all and cause trouble ... we pay for our own demise ... not for long ... all you government types get your resumes updated ... your all fired ... when the wave goes around the world , the game is over ...you can't fight a vibration ...
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    Default Re: COINTELPRO 2.0 confirmed: How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet (Snowden GCHQ docs confirm)

    related:

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/...a-censors.html

    Quote The Secret Playbook of Social Media Censors

    Posted on February 26, 2014 by WashingtonsBlog

    The “Counter Reset”

    Glenn Greenwald’s piece on manipulation of the Internet by intelligence agencies gives examples – based upon documents leaked by Edward Snowden – of how governments disrupt social media websites.

    Other whistleblowers have provided very specific information about how agents disrupt social media news sites.

    This essay will focus one specific technique: the “Counter Reset”.

    To explain the Counter Reset technique, we have to understand the concepts of “momentum” and “social proof”.

    Specifically, the government spends a great deal of manpower and money to monitor which stories, memes and social movements are developing the momentum to actually pose a threat to the status quo. For example, the Federal Reserve, Pentagon, Department of Homeland Security, and other agencies all monitor social media for stories critical of their agencies … or the government in general. Other governments – and private corporations – do the same thing.

    Why?

    Because a story gaining momentum ranks high on social media sites. So it has a high probability of bursting into popular awareness, destroying the secrecy which allows corruption, and becoming a real challenge to the powers-that-be.

    “Social proof” is a related concept. Social proof is the well-known principle stating that people will believe something if most other people believe it. And see this. In other words, most people have a herd instinct, so if a story ranks highly, more people are likely to believe it and be influenced by it.

    That is why vested interests go to great lengths – using computer power and human resources – to monitor social media momentum.
    If a story critical of one of these powerful entities is gaining momentum, they will go to great lengths to kill its momentum, and destroy the social proof which comes with alot of upvotes, likes or recommendations in social media.

    They may choose to flood social media with comments supporting the entities, using armies of sock puppets, i.e. fake social media identities. See this, this, this, this and this. Or moderators at the social media sites themselves can just censor the stories.

    Or they can be more sneaky … and do a Counter Reset to destroy momentum.

    Giving specific examples will illustrate the technique. Reddit moderators have continuously reset the counter over the last couple of days on the new Greenwald/Snowden story, to destroy momentum which would otherwise have guaranteed that the story was the top story.

    Similarly, the owners of popular Youtube channels have repeatedly reported that Counter Resets are done on their most controversial news stories.

    The attractiveness of the Counter Reset from a moderator’s perspective is that it destroys momentum, while leaving some plausible deniability.

    If users point out that the story keeps getting spiked, the moderator can say that it hasn’t been censored, but instead that the moderators have allowed it to stay up (with periodic Counter Resets along the way).

    Alternatively – if the moderators have continuously deleted the story each time it is posted – the moderators can say that it has been posted “numerous times”, and pretend that shows that they are letting the story gather momentum, when they are in fact deleting it again and again. For example, when hundreds of Redditors complained yesterday that the Greenwald/Snowden story kept getting deleted, moderators chimed in on every thread proclaiming that the story had run multiple times … without admitting that it had been deleted each time.

    Now that you know about the Counter Reset, watch your favorite social media sites to see how this technique is used for the hardest-hitting stories and videos which directly challenge the legitimacy of the powers-that-be.
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    Default Re: COINTELPRO 2.0 confirmed: How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet (Snowden GCHQ docs confirm)

    A good example of the above as documented by GoodeTXSG with his Facebook account:

    FACEBOOK Actively Jacking w/My Group Page: Bank and Politician Financial Corruption Page

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    Default Re: COINTELPRO 2.0 confirmed: How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet (Snowden GCHQ docs confirm)

    There may be only two conflicting interpretation for this:

    These documents, existing in public space will make more room for the shift and the positive change then anything else that was ever picked up, in my opinion.

    OR

    The releases of these documents are all a part of a grand plan that has no beginning and no end, and can be all called at the same time: "time, observation, evolution"

    When you understand what does it mean "let go of the need to be in control", it may be possible for you to see the "excluded third" that these two interpretations may be actually one and the same thing.


    That is all I have to say about this, and I cannot thank you enough for letting me participate in your tunnel of reality for just this moment. - Not the Avalon Forum, but you, The Fellow Seeker of The Truth"
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    Default Re: COINTELPRO 2.0 confirmed: How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet (Snowden GCHQ docs confirm)

    Hello Bill, thank you Bill, you're right , as always . Love being a terrorist .

    Error's on my side .. vivat the agenda.. I better take holidays for few days . My self moderating abilities are beyond imagination.

    There was zero intention to derail the topic from my side .


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    Default Re: COINTELPRO 2.0 confirmed: How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet (Snowden GCHQ docs confirm)

    So now the Brits can't act like it's just the U.S. Intelligence Agencies that have run amok given Greenwald's recent article. Oh, and if you Great White Northerners, Aussies or Kiwis think things are better where you live - you're kidding yourselves too.
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    I hope folks understand that since they can't seem to stop the human race from finding freedom, they will try to move to a bigger stick. Martial Law. The only thing a parasite fears more than a free being/group, is a being/group freeing itself from a parasite.

    Anyway, I'm not sure many of you would understand the level of, er, observation I've been under. Some will, some won't. Most would never believe it unless they spent some time in my presence on a daily basis. In those cases, I suspect many of you would have freaked out by now.

    My morning start was interesting. First... the disappearing jet in the sky. Then ... ..

    edit:
    Everytin' be Everytin', as above, so below...note that a x4.9 flare came of the sun right about the same time this article hit the public's eye, at the same time this other thing is 'going down' over in the Ukraine.
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    Default Re: COINTELPRO 2.0 confirmed: How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet (Snowden GCHQ docs confirm)

    ***Thought I might add this here...



    Reddit Censors Big Story About Government Manipulation and Disruption of the Internet

    Posted on February 25, 2014 by WashingtonsBlog


    Reddit Moderators Go to Extreme Lengths to Censor the Most Important Story of the Year

    The moderators at the giant r/news reddit (with over 2 million subscribed readers) repeatedly killed the Greenwald/Snowden story on government manipulation and disruption of the Internet … widely acknowledged to be one of the most important stories ever leaked by Snowden.

    Similarly, the moderators at the even bigger r/worldnews reddit (over 5 million subscribers) repeatedly deleted the story, so that each new post had to start over at zero.

    For example, here are a number of posts deleted from r/news



    Related posts from other sites – like 21stCenturyWire – were deleted as well:



    Related posts from other sites – like 21stCenturyWire – were deleted as well:



    And here are a number of the posts deleted by the moderators of r/worldnews:



    Write-ups of the same story from other sites – like Zero Hedge – were also deleted:



    Two Redditors provide further information on the censorship of this story:



    This isn’t the first time Reddit moderators have been caught censoring:
    ◾Censorship Costs Reddit Thousands of Readers
    ◾Reddit Busted Censoring Alternative Media
    ◾Biggest Social Media Sites Censor Alternative News

    Source links: Here, here, here, here, here and here.

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/...-internet.html

    PS - Too many links to attach, so click the 'above' link to access...

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    Just yesterday my thread over at GameFaqs about Glenn Greenwald's piece was deleted entirely. Seems some members complained that the article contains top secret slides and documents so it's illegal to post links to it. Isn't that ridiculous?

    The paid internet trolls are on every social networking site, forum and comments section on the web. Their goal is simple; if they can't suppress information that governments don't want discussed then they overwhelm the legitimate info with disinformation. Fortunately, the savvy members of Project Avalon are wise to those tactics too.

    I agree with Bill Ryan when his says that human freedom is under attack all around the world. Here in the U.S. my wife and I have been victimized with intensive surveillance and even RF based psychotronic technology but all that has done is strengthened our resolve to resist. We often find strength from this quote from Sir Winston Churchill:

    “If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”
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    Default Re: COINTELPRO 2.0 confirmed: How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet (Snowden GCHQ docs confirm)

    I admit I have not looked around on Avalon yet to see if this already posted:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...internet-yahoo


    The GCHQ program saved one image every five minutes from the users' feeds. Photograph: Chris Jackson/Getty Images

    Quote UK spy agency intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users

    • Optic Nerve program collected Yahoo webcam images in bulk
    • 1.8m users targeted by GCHQ in six-month period alone
    • Yahoo: 'A whole new level of violation of our users' privacy'
    • Material included large quantity of sexually explicit images

    Britain's surveillance agency GCHQ, with aid from the National Security Agency, intercepted and stored the webcam images of millions of internet users not suspected of wrongdoing, secret documents reveal.

    GCHQ files dating between 2008 and 2010 explicitly state that a surveillance program codenamed Optic Nerve collected still images of Yahoo webcam chats in bulk and saved them to agency databases, regardless of whether individual users were an intelligence target or not.

    In one six-month period in 2008 alone, the agency collected webcam imagery – including substantial quantities of sexually explicit communications – from more than 1.8 million Yahoo user accounts globally.

    Yahoo reacted furiously to the webcam interception when approached by the Guardian. The company denied any prior knowledge of the program, accusing the agencies of "a whole new level of violation of our users' privacy".

    GCHQ does not have the technical means to make sure no images of UK or US citizens are collected and stored by the system, and there are no restrictions under UK law to prevent Americans' images being accessed by British analysts without an individual warrant.

    The documents also chronicle GCHQ's sustained struggle to keep the large store of sexually explicit imagery collected by Optic Nerve away from the eyes of its staff, though there is little discussion about the privacy implications of storing this material in the first place.



    Optic Nerve, the documents provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden show, began as a prototype in 2008 and was still active in 2012, according to an internal GCHQ wiki page accessed that year.

    The system, eerily reminiscent of the telescreens evoked in George Orwell's 1984, was used for experiments in automated facial recognition, to monitor GCHQ's existing targets, and to discover new targets of interest. Such searches could be used to try to find terror suspects or criminals making use of multiple, anonymous user IDs.

    Rather than collecting webcam chats in their entirety, the program saved one image every five minutes from the users' feeds, partly to comply with human rights legislation, and also to avoid overloading GCHQ's servers. The documents describe these users as "unselected" – intelligence agency parlance for bulk rather than targeted collection.

    One document even likened the program's "bulk access to Yahoo webcam images/events" to a massive digital police mugbook of previously arrested individuals.

    "Face detection has the potential to aid selection of useful images for 'mugshots' or even for face recognition by assessing the angle of the face," it reads. "The best images are ones where the person is facing the camera with their face upright."

    The agency did make efforts to limit analysts' ability to see webcam images, restricting bulk searches to metadata only.

    However, analysts were shown the faces of people with similar usernames to surveillance targets, potentially dragging in large numbers of innocent people. One document tells agency staff they were allowed to display "webcam images associated with similar Yahoo identifiers to your known target".

    Optic Nerve was based on collecting information from GCHQ's huge network of internet cable taps, which was then processed and fed into systems provided by the NSA. Webcam information was fed into NSA's XKeyscore search tool, and NSA research was used to build the tool which identified Yahoo's webcam traffic.

    Bulk surveillance on Yahoo users was begun, the documents said, because "Yahoo webcam is known to be used by GCHQ targets".



    Programs like Optic Nerve, which collect information in bulk from largely anonymous user IDs, are unable to filter out information from UK or US citizens. Unlike the NSA, GCHQ is not required by UK law to "minimize", or remove, domestic citizens' information from its databases. However, additional legal authorisations are required before analysts can search for the data of individuals likely to be in the British Isles at the time of the search.

    There are no such legal safeguards for searches on people believed to be in the US or the other allied "Five Eyes" nations – Australia, New Zealand and Canada.

    GCHQ insists all of its activities are necessary, proportionate, and in accordance with UK law.

    The documents also show that GCHQ trialled automatic searches based on facial recognition technology, for people resembling existing GCHQ targets: "[I]f you search for similar IDs to your target, you will be able to request automatic comparison of the face in the similar IDs to those in your target's ID".

    The undated document, from GCHQ's internal wiki information site, noted this capability was "now closed … but shortly to return!"

    The privacy risks of mass collection from video sources have long been known to the NSA and GCHQ, as a research document from the mid-2000s noted: "One of the greatest hindrances to exploiting video data is the fact that the vast majority of videos received have no intelligence value whatsoever, such as pornography, commercials, movie clips and family home movies."

    Sexually explicit webcam material proved to be a particular problem for GCHQ, as one document delicately put it: "Unfortunately … it would appear that a surprising number of people use webcam conversations to show intimate parts of their body to the other person. Also, the fact that the Yahoo software allows more than one person to view a webcam stream without necessarily sending a reciprocal stream means that it appears sometimes to be used for broadcasting pornography."

    The document estimates that between 3% and 11% of the Yahoo webcam imagery harvested by GCHQ contains "undesirable nudity". Discussing efforts to make the interface "safer to use", it noted that current "naïve" pornography detectors assessed the amount of flesh in any given shot, and so attracted lots of false positives by incorrectly tagging shots of people's faces as pornography.



    GCHQ did not make any specific attempts to prevent the collection or storage of explicit images, the documents suggest, but did eventually compromise by excluding images in which software had not detected any faces from search results – a bid to prevent many of the lewd shots being seen by analysts.

    The system was not perfect at stopping those images reaching the eyes of GCHQ staff, though. An internal guide cautioned prospective Optic Nerve users that "there is no perfect ability to censor material which may be offensive. Users who may feel uncomfortable about such material are advised not to open them".

    It further notes that "under GCHQ's offensive material policy, the dissemination of offensive material is a disciplinary offence".



    Once collected, the metadata associated with the videos can be as valuable to the intelligence agencies as the images themselves.

    It is not fully clear from the documents how much access the NSA has to the Yahoo webcam trove itself, though all of the policy documents were available to NSA analysts through their routine information-sharing. A previously revealed NSA metadata repository, codenamed Marina, has what the documents describe as a protocol class for webcam information.

    In its statement to the Guardian, Yahoo strongly condemned the Optic Nerve program, and said it had no awareness of or involvement with the GCHQ collection.

    "We were not aware of, nor would we condone, this reported activity," said a spokeswoman. "This report, if true, represents a whole new level of violation of our users' privacy that is completely unacceptable, and we strongly call on the world's governments to reform surveillance law consistent with the principles we outlined in December.

    "We are committed to preserving our users' trust and security and continue our efforts to expand encryption across all of our services."

    Yahoo has been one of the most outspoken technology companies objecting to the NSA's bulk surveillance. It filed a transparency lawsuit with the secret US surveillance court to disclose a 2007 case in which it was compelled to provide customer data to the surveillance agency, and it railed against the NSA's reported interception of information in transit between its data centers.

    The documents do not refer to any specific court orders permitting collection of Yahoo's webcam imagery, but GCHQ mass collection is governed by the UK's Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, and requires certification by the foreign secretary, currently William Hague.

    The Optic Nerve documentation shows legalities were being considered as new capabilities were being developed. Discussing adding automated facial matching, for example, analysts agreed to test a system before firming up its legal status for everyday use.

    "It was agreed that the legalities of such a capability would be considered once it had been developed, but that the general principle applied would be that if the accuracy of the algorithm was such that it was useful to the analyst (ie, the number of spurious results was low, then it was likely to be proportionate)," the 2008 document reads.

    The document continues: "This is allowed for research purposes but at the point where the results are shown to analysts for operational use, the proportionality and legality questions must be more carefully considered."

    Optic Nerve was just one of a series of GCHQ efforts at biometric detection, whether for target recognition or general security.

    While the documents do not detail efforts as widescale as those against Yahoo users, one presentation discusses with interest the potential and capabilities of the Xbox 360's Kinect camera, saying it generated "fairly normal webcam traffic" and was being evaluated as part of a wider program.

    Documents previously revealed in the Guardian showed the NSA were exploring the video capabilities of game consoles for surveillance purposes.

    Microsoft, the maker of Xbox, faced a privacy backlash last year when details emerged that the camera bundled with its new console, the Xbox One, would be always-on by default.

    Beyond webcams and consoles, GCHQ and the NSA looked at building more detailed and accurate facial recognition tools, such as iris recognition cameras – "think Tom Cruise in Minority Report", one presentation noted.

    The same presentation talks about the strange means the agencies used to try and test such systems, including whether they could be tricked. One way of testing this was to use contact lenses on detailed mannequins.

    To this end, GCHQ has a dummy nicknamed "the Head", one document noted.

    In a statement, a GCHQ spokesman said: "It is a longstanding policy that we do not comment on intelligence matters.

    "Furthermore, all of GCHQ's work is carried out in accordance with a strict legal and policy framework which ensures that our activities are authorised, necessary and proportionate, and that there is rigorous oversight, including from the secretary of state, the interception and intelligence services commissioners and the Parliamentary Intelligence and Security Committee.

    "All our operational processes rigorously support this position."

    The NSA declined to respond to specific queries about its access to the Optic Nerve system, the presence of US citizens' data in such systems, or whether the NSA has similar bulk-collection programs.

    However, NSA spokeswoman Vanee Vines said the agency did not ask foreign partners such as GCHQ to collect intelligence the agency could not legally collect itself.

    "As we've said before, the National Security Agency does not ask its foreign partners to undertake any intelligence activity that the US government would be legally prohibited from undertaking itself," she said.

    "The NSA works with a number of partners in meeting its foreign intelligence mission goals, and those operations comply with US law and with the applicable laws under which those partners operate.

    "A key part of the protections that apply to both US persons and citizens of other countries is the mandate that information be in support of a valid foreign intelligence requirement, and comply with US Attorney General-approved procedures to protect privacy rights. Those procedures govern the acquisition, use, and retention of information about US persons."
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    Default Re: COINTELPRO 2.0 confirmed: How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet (Snowden GCHQ docs confirm)

    Quote Posted by mountain_jim (here)
    I admit I have not looked around on Avalon yet to see if this already posted:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...internet-yahoo
    Actually , Openmindedskeptic did, with you ..4 minutes apart :

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...of-Yahoo-users


    I also saw it in the news and thought it's pertinent to the topic here . It's still all good .



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    It's incredible how "selectively" the information is being distributed in the MSM. Furthermore, there are hints of fear mongering, by focusing extensively on the "it could be you" aspect of it.

    excerpts from the guardian article (http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...internet-yahoo):

    Quote Britain's surveillance agency GCHQ, with aid from the US National Security Agency, intercepted and stored the webcam images of millions of internet users not suspected of wrongdoing, secret documents reveal.

    GCHQ files dating between 2008 and 2010 explicitly state that a surveillance program codenamed Optic Nerve collected still images of Yahoo webcam chats in bulk and saved them to agency databases, regardless of whether individual users were an intelligence target or not.
    and guess what, the government knows about it and oh yes, it's business as usual:

    Quote In a statement, a GCHQ spokesman said: "It is a longstanding policy that we do not comment on intelligence matters.

    "Furthermore, all of GCHQ's work is carried out in accordance with a strict legal and policy framework which ensures that our activities are authorised, necessary and proportionate, and that there is rigorous oversight, including from the secretary of state, the interception and intelligence services commissioners and the Parliamentary Intelligence and Security Committee.
    so comply because 1 moment of every five minutes of that only time that you had a couple of more drinks will find the way to your boss/colleague/client/promotion etc. It can be guaranteed in many creative ways:

    Quote The same presentation talks about the strange means the agencies used to try and test such systems, including whether they could be tricked. One way of testing this was to use contact lenses on detailed mannequins.

    To this end, GCHQ has a dummy nicknamed "the Head", one document noted.
    But don't worry, the big boss is there fighting for a global solution for you:

    Quote In its statement to the Guardian, Yahoo strongly condemned the Optic Nerve program, and said it had no awareness of or involvement with the GCHQ collection.

    "We were not aware of, nor would we condone, this reported activity," said a spokeswoman. "This report, if true, represents a whole new level of violation of our users' privacy that is completely unacceptable, and we strongly call on the world's governments to reform surveillance law consistent with the principles we outlined in December.
    I really hope that people will find a way to the full information, regardless of the fact that the initial triggers were these distractions from the MSM. I'm glad that PA (among others) provides this opportunity. It increases the chances that more people can reach it

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    With all due respect Bill, I would say your confidence in the "firewall" is not fully thought through. Would it really be difficult to believe that someone could sit and observe this forum and gain an understanding of what it might take to gain entry? How long would it take to read your comments and the comments made by the mods and come up with a personality profile that would gain someone entry to our lovely little forum? If the NSA or the CIA or the FBI decided they wanted to shape the message and mood of this forum it would not be difficult. They could even send multiple requests to join from mulltiple IP addresses and multiple systems using a variety of MAC addresses so that you never saw that the requests were from a common source. They could continue to do so until they hit the magic recipe. They might then engage in a number of the tactics discussed in the article in more subtle and covert ways without raising the suspicions of anyone. We all would be none the wiser. I can't say I have seen suspicious activity in more recent times but there were times during the "Charles" fiasco and various other contentious moments on this forum where we may have been infiltrated and subjected to some of the tactics mentioned in the article.

    In fact, I would say if we lend ourselves to believe that we are discussing matters of truth and awakening than I say we would be a likely target for these types of activities. Unless, we are all so far from the truth or so far from piecing it all together that no one sees fit to infiltrate us and mess around.

    In this instance, I respectfully disagree with your assessment.

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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    This, too, has been posted and discussed in several other threads. But it's worth reiterating:

    The mods and I are very confident that the Avalon 'firewall' (i.e. the very rigorous new member application process) works really pretty well to protect the forum from destructive and divisive "drop-in" comments that plague so many other forums and chatrooms in exactly the way this article and others describe.

    The vast majority of the occasional road bumps we experience here in the Avalon community are a natural (and largely healthy) product of human nature. We're a very eclectic community, with between us a wide variety of cultures, nationalities, experiences, abilities, professions, knowledge bases, and backgrounds. So it's quite natural that we may not all agree on certain details.

    That's all right and proper. The big, broad picture -- that we're not told the truth in the mainstream media, that our planet in general and the human race in particular is in deep trouble, that human freedom is under serious assault, that there has been a coup on Planet Earth, and that there's a huge conflict going on which for some reason may be of great importance not only to us -- is shared by almost all members.

    Sometimes, a few key individuals are targeted by means far more sophisticated than anything Snowden has ever described: electronic and/or psychic warfare, deployed remotely. This is real.

    That's the only really viable way for an enemy to get past the firewall, and it's definitely utilized from time to time. Fortunately, there are also (a) many members who are very able to perceive such anomalies, and (b) many members who are very able to handle them. The mods team is also fully aware of all this, and between them possess not a small amount of competence. It's a fascinating and important topic.

    Again,
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    Default Re: COINTELPRO 2.0 confirmed: How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet (Snowden GCHQ docs confirm)

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    With all due respect Bill, I would say your confidence in the "firewall" is not fully thought through. Would it really be difficult to believe that someone could sit and observe this forum and gain an understanding of what it might take to gain entry? How long would it take to read your comments and the comments made by the mods and come up with a personality profile that would gain someone entry to our lovely little forum? If the NSA or the CIA or the FBI decided they wanted to shape the message and mood of this forum it would not be difficult. They could even send multiple requests to join from mulltiple IP addresses and multiple systems using a variety of MAC addresses so that you never saw that the requests were from a common source. They could continue to do so until they hit the magic recipe. They might then engage in a number of the tactics discussed in the article in more subtle and covert ways without raising the suspicions of anyone. We all would be none the wiser. I can't say I have seen suspicious activity in more recent times but there were times during the "Charles" fiasco and various other contentious moments on this forum where we may have been infiltrated and subjected to some of the tactics mentioned in the article.

    In fact, I would say if we lend ourselves to believe that we are discussing matters of truth and awakening than I say we would be a likely target for these types of activities. Unless, we are all so far from the truth or so far from piecing it all together that no one sees fit to infiltrate us and mess around.

    In this instance, I respectfully disagree with your assessment.

    I think ..that Bill only referred to so called 'agent provocateurs' , trolls and debunkers in his posting who are more common disruption in groups and forums . Most of them are common public 'volunteers ' anyway and even if some are deployed by specific alphabet agencies, they're not more than pawns in the game .
    As such , they're detectable because they do not display more intelligence than the founder /admin/moderator team .

    I would fully agree with Karma Ninje here that should any of those agencies deploy agent or group of them for specific task/operation within group such as ours , albeit this being very large forum,
    we would have zero chance to know about it. It's rather more difficult to recognise 'who is who' over the net than in real life encounters . True intelligence agent , in my opinion, would pose as perfectly normal person, as trustable as possible, with no intent to playing 'games' here or being uncovered by suspecting members.
    On forum like this, the level of awareness is intriguingly higher than on boards to do, lets say with gardening , we contain people who are handling sensitive information.
    So also , the level of suspicions can rise high ... and it's hardly in 'their' ( not to speak of the forums ) favour to turn people over-suspicious and stop them from sharing .

    My personal take towards this is simple : protect your own 'assets ' . If something is valuable to you like your own life, don't tweet it to the world .

    When I was new to the internet, in 2006 , I came with specific purpose ..reaching out .. sharing my witness testimony . I know the best what sensitivity is , information wise - and I never thought 'we are alone' , either in Universe or on the forums.
    To what deal it matters, I don't know and frankly , I don't care .

    If we lived in some kind of retrograde regime this forum would not exist . There's a freedom of speech so far ,
    and if someone wants to gather information on anyone, in professional manner they can always do that .

    The only thing that I see clearly in my mind is : you'd have to pay me 100000$ a month to be paranoid and play 'an agent' . If you don't, I refuse to think about it because I'd be firstly ill , and unpayed . The paranoia thing is not worth it . Unless you have it natural and there's very little we can do for you ( commonly ) at all .


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    I have little doubt that even PA has been compromised given that some rational threads, at times, have interlopers who attempt to discredit the thesis. This is oft done by taking the concept being presented to wild extremes that can potentially make it appear laughable or silly.

    Edward Snowden's documents have made it difficult for governments and their Intelligence Agencies to convincingly deny their illegal activates. Unfortunately, we don't always have that level of whistleblower to expose wrongdoing by other institutions like big pharma and big banking which are equally if not more so corrupt.
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    As some one who read and appreciated Greenwald's contributions since he first started his self-published blog Unclaimed Territory back when Bush was president, I have closely followed these stories and think the new organization he has helped found has attracted major unco-opted reporting talent.

    I believe the reasons Snowden chose him were the same ones that made me value Glenn's contributions so highly (in pointing out the failure of the 'rule of law' and holding US political power to account). I suspect he's coming around to realizing some of the conspiracies he would not go near in the past may actually be true.

    I will have to rely on others here to follow this 'beat' closely at Avalon as I must pay the bills with a return to full-time project work with travel next week, and my Avalon time will be cut back greatly, to maybe a quick 15 minutes nightly or so to scan and read and catch up.
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    "Abby Martin talks about journalist Glenn Greenwald's report regarding the intelligence community's use of subversive and manipulative online tactics to destroy the reputations of businesses and individuals."
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