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    Default Re: "Don't go into the light" - Discussion thread

    I have no idea at all but want to be fearless. The stories that suggest the traps sound like fear and so I am not interested.

    My intention is to digest my fear of death because according to the Tibetan's our fears are what we project at the threshold of death. That makes more sense than other stories.

    I had a close acquaintance from the Philippines who was Catholic and an an RN. During a completely normal natural delivery of her 3rd child, she went into a coma. In a million cases of birth, one woman may have a bit of amino fluid get in her bloodstream. It travels to the lungs, heart and brain. Most die, and the rest usually have problems as after a stroke.

    For days her husband and friends kept vigil. Then a miracle happened. She awoke. She recalled all the conversations that she had heard speaking to her of the baby, the love people felt for her, the grief her husband felt and fear he had for the future. She did not go anywhere. She was always in a great light that inspired such love that all she could do was just sing praise to the light. She did not share any particular scenes or thoughts from the light. Light was encompassing and loving but she was not sad to leave it because "the light is everywhere". She did not know why she had this experience? She did want to be with her family and one day she woke up hungry. She had no residual problems except a slight numbness in her right leg that resolved.

    Quote Remember the clear light, the pure clear white light from which everything in the universe comes, to which everything in the universe returns; the original nature of your own mind. The natural state of the universe unmanifest. Let go into the clear light, trust it, merge with it. It is your own true nature, it is home.
    -Tibetan Book of the Dead

    Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/Quotes/Budd...gsrIEAkGrq7.99
    This is a great video for those interested in Tibetan ideas.




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    Default Re: "Don't go into the light" - Discussion thread

    I don't think that being well informed about 'what way to go and what way to avoid' has anything to do with fear.
    It is knowledge, which makes one prepared..... And free.

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    I'm posting this reply of dpwishy from another thread .
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show....-or-not/page2

    The discussion that followed is an interesting read as well.

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    The light is what strips you of your memories and experiences and tosses you back into the cycle of reincarnation. Enlightenment is knowing not to go into the light. Your life should be a preparation for death. You should be preparing and practicing for that one moment, that way at the moment of death you can keep your awareness and not drift off into a "sleep". This is why meditation and astral projection is so important! They are preparations to be able to keep your consciousness at the moment of death. If you can stay conscious here, the first thing you should ask for without hesitation is to ask to experience your "true self". Program yourself so that this is the first thought and only thought that goes through your mind. Don't be distracted by the realization of death, by the astonishment, beauty and so forth. Your only desire and demand should be to experience the true self. 

    You are fragmented over many realities, countless. You interact with them to some capacity wen you sleep, this should be familiar to you at some level. You should be able to have a free connection to these other parts of you. You are jailed off locked into this reality made to believe this is what you truly are. Some how we did this to ourselves. We were tricked in a sense to try a new experience not knowing that the experience would keep us trapped here over and over. You are put in a place where its nearly IMPOSSIBLE to learn what you need to learn within a single life to get "out". When you die, everything you have learned is scrubbed clean. Does this sound like a system that is designed for your progression and evolution? 

    But here is the kicker in my opinion. A secret I don't tell many. This is just a video game. Say that to yourself and remember, "This is just a video game". The population will wake up to that realization soon enough. And in doing so, they will realize that they have the power to play what ever game they choose collectively. They were always choosing which game to play from the very beginning, they were just manipulated in their choosing. They were choosing to pick unconsciously, thus were heavily influenced by outside forces. This is were the technological singularity comes in, technology will advance to a point until we realize that we are that technology and them BAM! I believe our education system, religion systems, political systems, authoritative systems, music, clothing, media, movies, radio, invisible frequencies and so forth are all being used to form our mind to make certain choices on auto pilot. It is this that keeps us playing this game unconsciously. Soon enough people will realize that this is a video game, the only rule until the technological singularity being you have to forget you are playing to play. And in doing so, we will choose consciously what to play together.

    I'd like to add one more thing. About ten years ago I was taken from my body and I had an experience with the creator source. I saw the whole shape of the realities and dimensions, they looked like dna spirals that made up this weird X that rotated around its middle axis. It had this spin to it. I was sucked into a very tiny section of this. When I broke through to its dimension, the membrane was orange from the outside and only blinding white light after I broke through. I heard a voice telling me that I was not alone and that it loved me. I asked who it was and it said it was "God". I couldn't see anything only hear it and knew its presence was there. An amazing presence, that was undeniable. The light was so blinding and warm. I told it i did not believe in God and it told me it could "touch me", it could prove it.  Without time to process what it said something went through my soul that just knew this was the creator. The most pure love I have ever felt. It honestly hurt to feel it, I felt it only for a second and it was gone. If I felt  it for any longer it would have destroyed me, it was so powerful. I have been in love with girls, I love my parents, my family. But I realized at that moment I have never felt true love before. It changed my life forever and was the kick start I needed for my remembering. I came back to my body crying for an hour repeating "I'm sorry I didn't believe you". The reason I share this is because I broke through an orange membrane and came into the blinding light. I did not follow and go into the light. Those are two different things all together! That is important to realize.
     

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    Default Re: "Don't go into the light" - Discussion thread

    As a psychic I can tell you what happens if you don't go into the white light of all the good people and angelic beings waiting for you. You won't meet those who love you (and already passed) because they are in the light. Instead you will be stuck on earth. Until you find a way of finding the white light and going there. You will be a wandering ghost.

    EDITED: (I realized that I was only telling half and giving the wrong impression. Apologies.) When people go to the creator and say; "Take my soul" it usually means they want to be erased. Exterminated. Executed. Some souls do that. They tend to be very evil or incredibly sad. So the choice is to either cease to exist for eternity or to go to an very long existence of horror while facing up to the evil that they've done. It's a cop out.

    You can also go to the creator and just ask questions like you would do with a spirit guide but we are not really on wave length so much. At least I wasn't when I went. So it is easier to ask a higher spirit, a spirit guide. They are more on our wavelength.

    If what you see "the creator" as is "the world" then yes, of course you will naturally be able to roam the earth and enjoy it fully after you pass. There is no rush to be re-born. All is well. You don't have to go into death full of fear. As so many have said: Follow your own intuition and also trust in love.

    Your life here on earth is just a fraction of who you really are. It's not your true self.

    EDIT: I also decided to remove my hotheaded vent. I can't help my temper, even though I do try.
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    Default Re: "Don't go into the light" - Discussion thread

    I'm following this guy...



    Yeah, I know, 'just a movie'.

    But isn't that what we're all living?

    See ya on the other side!

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    Default Re: "Don't go into the light" - Discussion thread

    Robert Morning Sky sheds light on this in his old video:


    He shares what the Star Elder told his grandfather about the history of the Earth. How there were these "light chambers" that humans were forced to go into to wipe out their memories. Btw Cobra talks about light chambers, too that everyone will be forced to go through after the Event. These chambers are where we get "going into the light" and losing our memories from.... He's saying that when you die to turn away from this light because that's what has been trapping humanity in a neverending cycle of reincarnation. He said to turn away from it and look at the OTHER light because that would be your OWN light. People want to call him an antichrist for this comment, but it makes sense if you think about it....

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    I will have to agree with Finefeather on this topic and I too apologize to all the Simon fans. . . .

    These past several months when logging onto Pa I come away with the following for we humans of planet earth and if I take to heart what many posts are about these days:

    • Afraid to eat anything at all, because ‘they’ are killing us and exterminating the human race with gmo food that somehow is in everything we eat.

    • Or . . afraid to eat what is natural for human omnivores because If I consume meat then I am doomed to a horrible 3rd density reality and will never become conscious or enlightened (what ever this means now)

    • That living on planet earth in the 3rd dimension (?), in this organic body and with this soul/spirit is somehow entirely archaic, evil, enslaved and most miserable existence possible.

    • I’m should be always aware of these dark beings (archons) that are everywhere around me and their sole purpose is to keep me enslaved to the darkness and these elite that are in no way regular ‘ole human beings but have some super power over the rest of us humans

    • Courtney Brown of the next ‘meme creating’ guru spoon feeding b***sh** that sets most up for the next brainwashing session. Don’t forget now to check his next little clue to the ‘Big Announcement” and pray you are conscious and enlightened enough to understand the meaning when it maybe, sorta , perhaps, someday, but oh wait not enough didn’t get it so it postponed until next year ongoing yawn fest.

    • I should be afraid to step outside because of Chemtrails (that while they do exist and geoengineering the planet) somehow are completely contaminating the entire surface of the earth and are creating a multitude of illnesses that are slowly and softly killing the entire human race. But oddly the population of humans is exponentially growing . . . . .oh sorry, I forgot that is a fallacy too

    • That the world is in no way over populated but could withstand several billion more but that we all should live in little defined square foot high rise buildings and just share all the massive amounts of food and water and resources that would somehow just abundantly appear (from the scarcity driven empire of these elites) from each of our little balcony gardens and continue to have multiple babies.

    • The chemtrail geoengineering is to create a new environment for afore said archons and evil reptilian overlords so they can take over the planet and use the resources that humans have already obliterated and that even though they are killing us humans we are somehow their next meal. Pay no mind that quite possibly the geoengineering technology is to perhaps save our collective butts from another global catastrophic weather change that in centuries past have knocked us back to the stone age.

    • “They” are somehow changing our planets entire climate and atmosphere . . pay no attention that these dramatic and catastrophic weather changes are cyclical and occurring throughout our solar system.

    • I should not under any circumstances drink the water whether from my faucet because of the fluoride and other chemicals that will give me multiple different mental illnesses nor the water the from the rainfall (let alone melt the snow(if you can melt it)) because it is laden with a multiple other chemicals and metals. I am doomed to complete total mental illness . . .thank goodness I’m already a little crazy so maybe I won’t notice.

    • I could go on . . . but now we come to . . . . . . . .


    Good Lord Almighty if you die make sure you don’t go into the white light because you will be ‘erased’ with all memories obliterated and you get to start all over living the same horrible existence and life as outlined above.

    Really People? Shut the damn computer off and go outside and experience nature in all her glory and nurturing, healing environments and seasons When is the last time you went outside and actually truly took in what our planet is all about?

    Go outside . . take a day off and go play in the woods and listen to the birds and watch the critters. Go to a farm and see baby animals being born and new gardens being planted. Have a snow fight or mud slinging brouhaha, get dirty . . laugh a LOT! Go sit by a creek or lake and let the water soothe your overactive negative fallacy filled mind.

    Take a good long break from looking at ANYTHING with a screen attached to it . . .a good long break . . . . see the world for what it truly is without all the ‘meme creating’ crap.

    And by all means when you think you may be about to kick the Bucket . . . Don’t be afraid that you are passing to the next dimension (dying) and by all means in no way be afraid of the white light . . . it is your own true form of pure energy in all its brilliance.

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    LMAO!!!!!!! Ealiss, I just found this thread, and had to thank you for the chuckle not because I agree or disagree with what's being talked about...clearly I need to look into this further...but because I love the wit!

    What's interesting here is what's behind the core beliefs that lead people to believe one, or the other, or neither. I find it VERY interesting from a psychological and sociological point of view that a world view that looks at any authority as wanting to manipulate, control, and go to any ends to do so creates a kind of rebel green thumb mentality that even goes beyond the grave.

    What about this for a suggestion? How about worry how you do on THIS world and deal with what happens WHEN you die when you die? My thinking is if you're a solid person who's morally and intellectually straight, you're going to be able to figure this out.

    There are subjects that require scholarly examination, and some that just fall into the category of impossible to know with 100% certainty.

    I know with 99% certainty that the light chambers are a false belief. I know this from my own personal experience. I also know that even though an advanced civilization may have technology so advanced that lower civilizations might consider it magic, one must also realize this: even though a spiritually advanced civilization may have concepts of conscious contact with Creation and the Creator, other technologically advanced civilizations may consider THAT magic as well, and want to use everything in their advanced technological states to try and "take" what cannot be taken.

    Y'all gotta understand: we're further along in some ways than most of them out there. Why else are they coming here?

    Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see.

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    Starseed108, you might find the answer you are searching for on wespenre.com. I learned of this site from Kerry Cassidy two or three years back and have read all of his research, from Level 1 to his most recent Level 4. In section 4 go to book 16 I believe, you will find the answer you are looking for. Going into the light is a trap, so that you are perpetually recycled back to earth through re incarnation at the whim of En.Ki. AKA Lucifer etc. There is still a grid around this planet in which we are unable to escape accoring to Penre. I suggest that you begin reading his work from Level 1 on ward. It will take you a very long time to get through all of his very well researched material, especially is you decide to check out his references and do your own research as I have. It is well worth the effort. You are not obliged to accept what Penre says. He makes it very clear that his research is about his journey and all are welcomed to explore and read his discoveries. You may or may not agree with some of his findings but you will learn a great deal, and may not necessarily agree with all you read. The choice is your.

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    I do appologise, but I can only contribute to this discussion briefly. The core of the belief in the system of the 'afterlife' is pretty much the same as the belief in the system of this life. Until one reaches to a thourgh understanding that this world we live in is orchastrated in so many ways, many arguments 'against' and 'pro' will be bound to happen whenever a group of people is going to gather and exchange their own perceptions about it. Now, here on Avaon, that may not happen anymore because people have made their research over the years and mostly understand that there is a force in this world that holds it under it's tight grip and the condotions of living are that of a prison planet, rather than the nice illusion of freedom we were indoctrinated to believe in. Now, try to tell that to the many happy citizens, that are being overwhelmed by tax paying as we speak but on the other hand are still having their day off at the beach, and life looks good from where they are and see what type of response you will recieve.

    The life on this planet is a mere constuct. It shouldn't be this way, it was hitchhiked and turned to be a system of enslavement with a lot of goodies that cover the real nature of the place. Same thing is with the 'afterlife', anyone who has made their homework, (usually via quite an unusual learning : ) , have come to the conclusion and to the depth of understanding that the circulating process of the soul departing from the body, being wiped from it's memory and being sent back again to 'learn it's lessons' is a part of the same 'construct system' of enslavement by the same hands that is represented to us as the 'sumerian gods'.

    If we like to fully regain our freedom, we need to wake up from our general illusions and at least be willing to consider what is done from all aspects. Not an easy task at hand, as we are immersed in a tunnelvision perspective, and also psychologically quite valnurable to be able to digest this, therefore can not see far behind where our focus is at now (intentionally programmed this way), meaning the body. Simon Parkes is quite right when he says the 'White light is a costruct worth to avoid', but this 'knowledge' may be dependent on the real and true understandings that the dimensions- the place where the earthly soul arrives after it departs from the body, is under the same occupation as earth is and an extention to the same system presented to us on this planet.

    True cosmic freedom of grand realms and universes exists beyond the trail we were taught to walk in, even if a few 'lucky ones' are coming back to sell us this brainwash of marketing. As below so above. The best thing we might do is not to be so dismissive but more willing to classify this idea in the 'I don't know drawer' and see what else comes to our direction in that regard.

    I do appologise for needing to rush out of the door and not wording this post in a more 'comfortable' manner, sorry about that, take of it what you will, if you will

    All the best,

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    Quote Posted by heyokah (here)
    I don't think that being well informed about 'what way to go and what way to avoid' has anything to do with fear.
    It is knowledge, which makes one prepared..... And free.

    -

    I'm posting this reply of dpwishy from another thread .
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show....-or-not/page2

    The discussion that followed is an interesting read as well.

    Quote Posted by dpwishy (here)
    The light is what strips you of your memories and experiences and tosses you back into the cycle of reincarnation. Enlightenment is knowing not to go into the light. Your life should be a preparation for death. You should be preparing and practicing for that one moment, that way at the moment of death you can keep your awareness and not drift off into a "sleep". This is why meditation and astral projection is so important! They are preparations to be able to keep your consciousness at the moment of death. If you can stay conscious here, the first thing you should ask for without hesitation is to ask to experience your "true self". Program yourself so that this is the first thought and only thought that goes through your mind. Don't be distracted by the realization of death, by the astonishment, beauty and so forth. Your only desire and demand should be to experience the true self. 

    You are fragmented over many realities, countless. You interact with them to some capacity wen you sleep, this should be familiar to you at some level. You should be able to have a free connection to these other parts of you. You are jailed off locked into this reality made to believe this is what you truly are. Some how we did this to ourselves. We were tricked in a sense to try a new experience not knowing that the experience would keep us trapped here over and over. You are put in a place where its nearly IMPOSSIBLE to learn what you need to learn within a single life to get "out". When you die, everything you have learned is scrubbed clean. Does this sound like a system that is designed for your progression and evolution? 

    But here is the kicker in my opinion. A secret I don't tell many. This is just a video game. Say that to yourself and remember, "This is just a video game". The population will wake up to that realization soon enough. And in doing so, they will realize that they have the power to play what ever game they choose collectively. They were always choosing which game to play from the very beginning, they were just manipulated in their choosing. They were choosing to pick unconsciously, thus were heavily influenced by outside forces. This is were the technological singularity comes in, technology will advance to a point until we realize that we are that technology and them BAM! I believe our education system, religion systems, political systems, authoritative systems, music, clothing, media, movies, radio, invisible frequencies and so forth are all being used to form our mind to make certain choices on auto pilot. It is this that keeps us playing this game unconsciously. Soon enough people will realize that this is a video game, the only rule until the technological singularity being you have to forget you are playing to play. And in doing so, we will choose consciously what to play together.

    I'd like to add one more thing. About ten years ago I was taken from my body and I had an experience with the creator source. I saw the whole shape of the realities and dimensions, they looked like dna spirals that made up this weird X that rotated around its middle axis. It had this spin to it. I was sucked into a very tiny section of this. When I broke through to its dimension, the membrane was orange from the outside and only blinding white light after I broke through. I heard a voice telling me that I was not alone and that it loved me. I asked who it was and it said it was "God". I couldn't see anything only hear it and knew its presence was there. An amazing presence, that was undeniable. The light was so blinding and warm. I told it i did not believe in God and it told me it could "touch me", it could prove it.  Without time to process what it said something went through my soul that just knew this was the creator. The most pure love I have ever felt. It honestly hurt to feel it, I felt it only for a second and it was gone. If I felt  it for any longer it would have destroyed me, it was so powerful. I have been in love with girls, I love my parents, my family. But I realized at that moment I have never felt true love before. It changed my life forever and was the kick start I needed for my remembering. I came back to my body crying for an hour repeating "I'm sorry I didn't believe you". The reason I share this is because I broke through an orange membrane and came into the blinding light. I did not follow and go into the light. Those are two different things all together! That is important to realize.
     
    Yes Heyokah.

    Hi Calamus , what a merry merry-go-round this all is ha.

    Quote If we consider how big this world is, and how much is unseen from a physical perspective, do you really think leaving Earth Life Evolution to return to Source, is all their is left to do?

    What if when you get to Source, you meet Source, and IT says, "well ... what do you want to do now?" And you say, "well I want to go play around the universe, and create new worlds where everything is just perfect!"

    "Okay, go on ahead", says Source.

    And off you go to create perfect worlds in some Cosmic Play Space. Then after awhile you might realize you are only dreaming it all up. That nothing you are creating has any purpose or real substance, but to fulfill your desires. But you could go on for ages, dreaming and dreaming till one day, you realize that you are only dreaming, and that the real world you left behind was where all your REAL friends and brothers (classmates/'life wave') are still taking turns teaching each other, watched over by (mostly, cautiously) silent teachers in the background.
    I'm in no way saying I've learned all there is to know here on Earth in this realm, far, far, far from it!

    If I say I won't to go back to Source it is to deny any dark forces (Demons, Djinn, Aliens, or any other passable entities) hi jacking me. I feel in my Heart that the 'Go To The Light' has been corrupted into an Erasing trap, I feel I have been given/shown through some of my more profound Earthly realm experiences that there is a trap!
    I have been given a brain and as such believe if shown there to be choices and or passable long-time-functioning-traps, well then I this time around will be calling out to Source for guidance and not just diving into the head-lights!

    When my time comes I don't won't to go to Source just to play: I won't to go directly (If possible) and not get erased!

    I won't to come back functioning rather than in the merry-go-round mystery tour!

    The 'Light trap' as in 'Go to The Light' feels like part of a previous life hi-jacked wrong turn, a wrong turn that needs to be corrected and a memory that is also part of my to do work here and now, or at least to look into it.

    This resonates deeply in me, that I do know! This is my observation and path which I am sharing here in Avalon, I'm not dictating this or saying I'm right.

    If it is a trap, well! look at all the damage it has possibly done to the humanity.


    So many reply's to this post, I have now got to re-track and read some more! Such is life ha

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    Default Re: "Don't go into the light" - Discussion thread

    Having had no experience, I cannot say I know but here is a question. What if this whole "Don't go to the Light" is as mental as any construct of our mind in the Bardo. AND what if this is Bardo here and now? It sure seems like it some days. What if we have been been going round and round in the Bardo thinking it was going to happen later? Afterall, we can only presume we are seeing anything at all NOT BARDO. But I am still feeling pretty positive that love is real because I have felt it and it feels really GOOD so I'll just follow where I feel love now and whenever.

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    Default Re: "Don't go into the light" - Discussion thread

    I would like to suggest this one very simple and awe inspiring suggestion . . . .

    Volunteer with a nursing home, hospice or other way that you can experience the point a soul leaves this dimension and enters into the next . . . . you will see the most humbling extraordinary phenomenon imaginable.

    I have been with several people including my father as they passed through the veil and at the point the pure energy that is the soul leaves their organic body you will briefly see a complete and utter peace sweep through them. With 4 people (including my father) as their body was at the brink of releasing the soul a slight smile came upon them and they breathed no more.

    With each of them their was no doubt in my mind they were experiencing the white light of their own brilliant soul energy as well as their energy reuniting with souls they have ‘known’ throughout the ‘place’ all energy returns and melds back into the fold.

    Go see babies being born and go see people returning to the source (dying) . . . . experience it . . .many times . . . then you come back and tell me on this forum that it is evil and dark and a trap.

    It is a shame and tragedy that something so utterly phenomenal and beautiful is being manipulated into yet another fear filled meme.

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    Quote Posted by blufire (here)
    I would like to suggest this one very simple and awe inspiring suggestion . . . .

    Volunteer with a nursing home, hospice or other way that you can experience the point a soul leaves this dimension and enters into the next . . . . you will see the most humbling extraordinary phenomenon imaginable.

    I have been with several people including my father as they passed through the veil and at the point the pure energy that is the soul leaves their organic body you will briefly see a complete and utter peace sweep through them. With 4 people (including my father) as their body was at the brink of releasing the soul a slight smile came upon them and they breathed no more.

    With each of them their was no doubt in my mind they were experiencing the white light of their own brilliant soul energy as well as their energy reuniting with souls they have ‘known’ throughout the ‘place’ all energy returns and melds back into the fold.

    Go see babies being born and go see people returning to the source (dying) . . . . experience it . . .many times . . . then you come back and tell me on this forum that it is evil and dark and a trap.

    It is a shame and tragedy that something so utterly phenomenal and beautiful is being manipulated into yet another fear filled meme.
    Hi blufire

    I have, I've seen much death with in my life time so far (Maybe even my own a few times?)
    I've experienced my father die with me trying to save him with my own hand's, I felt him pass, I was kneeling over him, his last breaths where from my mouth.
    I've seen my mother reach skywards with joy on her face as she died!
    Iv'e seen seen wife's Nan placed into her final bed and such peace come to her. I felt this peace in the room befor it happened, someone/spirit was there, a guide to take her, I felt that!

    My father died in a painful way, he did not deserve it, maybe he needed to experience such a passing? I experienced his passing in a painful way.

    The joy on faces at death is not confirmed sign that they are going into caring hands! we have all been conditioned to feel and think that at death, IE 'Go To The Light'

    I do not in any way fear death, I fear if anything the pomposity of being tricked and used as food/slave and deprived my memories that could be built upon, evolved!

    If it happens soon I will try my way! I(f it works out well maybe ill be-able to pass on the knowledge with full certainty, next time around!

    I'm trying to evolve, I'm trying to prepare and find any traps (if there are such things!)

    Ill try the turn away from the Light, at least that way ill be helping to cover the chances of one of us (one way or the other) getting it right, not all Egg's in one basket as they say!

    Such a story this thing called life and death ha!

    This is for sure though, I wish each and every one of you Love from my Heart
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    Default Re: "Don't go into the light" - Discussion thread

    Quote Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
    Robert Morning Sky sheds light on this in his old video:


    He shares what the Star Elder told his grandfather about the history of the Earth. How there were these "light chambers" that humans were forced to go into to wipe out their memories. Btw Cobra talks about light chambers, too that everyone will be forced to go through after the Event. These chambers are where we get "going into the light" and losing our memories from.... He's saying that when you die to turn away from this light because that's what has been trapping humanity in a neverending cycle of reincarnation. He said to turn away from it and look at the OTHER light because that would be your OWN light. People want to call him an antichrist for this comment, but it makes sense if you think about it....

    Robert Morningsky says that when you see the white light that you should turn-around, and you will see the true light of your source. (paraphrase).


    (Move timer over to 1 min: 50 sec.)

    I'm convinced, from the records of antiquity, that the Golden Light is the light to seek. If one considers most of the earliest civilizations of Humanity were Sun Worshipers, it only stands to reason the Golden Light of the sun is the exit from the matrix.

    I know this opinion will draw fire from many of the members, but there is simply too much evidence (governmental involvement) that points to the white light being associated with a Soul Harvesting Operation on the Moon. The members can try to debunk this theory all they wish, but I ask one simple question:

    In the entire history of the human species, have any of the Theologies of Humanity - White Light Seekers included - ever worked?

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    so what about those who have had near death experiences gone into the light and come back better persons?

    Anita Moorjani- the Near- Death Experience and how to live without fear.







    There are many other NDE's to be found --however they say much the same thing.

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    Quote Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
    Robert Morning Sky sheds light on this in his old video:


    He shares what the Star Elder told his grandfather about the history of the Earth. How there were these "light chambers" that humans were forced to go into to wipe out their memories. Btw Cobra talks about light chambers, too that everyone will be forced to go through after the Event. These chambers are where we get "going into the light" and losing our memories from.... He's saying that when you die to turn away from this light because that's what has been trapping humanity in a neverending cycle of reincarnation. He said to turn away from it and look at the OTHER light because that would be your OWN light. People want to call him an antichrist for this comment, but it makes sense if you think about it....

    Robert Morningsky says that when you see the white light that you should turn-around, and you will see the true light of your source. (paraphrase).


    (Move timer over to 1 min: 50 sec.)

    I'm convinced, from the records of antiquity, that the Golden Light is the light to seek. If one considers most of the earliest civilizations of Humanity were Sun Worshipers, it only stands to reason the Golden Light of the sun is the exit from the matrix.

    I know this opinion will draw fire from many of the members, but there is simply too much evidence (governmental involvement) that points to the white light being associated with a Soul Harvesting Operation on the Moon. The members can try to debunk this theory all they wish, but I ask one simple question:

    In the entire history of the human species, have any of the Theologies of Humanity - White Light Seekers included - ever worked?
    Observer,

    I think you may be onto something with the white versus golden light concept.

    As a society we are bombarded with "white" meaning concepts such as being pure, uncorrupted, true, perfect, flawless, impeccable, etc.. Maybe this is just part of the archetype programming, prepping us for our foray into the afterlife and being approached by the false "white light".

    p.s. I am in no way making any reference to race here, just to the color of white and it's use in our vocabulary
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    Default Re: "Don't go into the light" - Discussion thread

    -Robert Morningsky advices to stop, look around, go out into space and find your 'OWN Light'. 
    The luring white light outside oneself, is used as a reprogramming centre to install amnesia and screw up our lives, because we forget our past lives from this. Thus remaining in a loop of lives, over and over again. The wheel of karma.

    -

    To me, this 'OWN Light' one will see a few moments before dying and sometimes much earlier, even years earlier, as one can 'train' oneself, through raising one's vibration, in 'merging' with this light as a preparation for the moment of death.

    I don't know if one's 'Own Light' will unite one with all the friends and family members that died before.
    But merging with one's 'OWN Light' will bring one to that place of 'piece and silence' where one can be the "unimaginable" and meet the "unimaginables" in love and unity.

    And who knows, observer, the color of the 'Own Light' will be Golden...* [Like the sun I saw from the peaceful cave I found myself in during a NDE.....that Golden Light of Love, or the Clear Light of Ultimate Reality, according to the "Bardo Thodol". ]

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    Sorry for the crippled English as this was a 'difficult one'
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    I'm convinced, from the records of antiquity, that the Golden Light is the light to seek. If one considers most of the earliest civilizations of Humanity were Sun Worshipers, it only stands to reason the Golden Light of the sun is the exit from the matrix.
    Actually the suns light is white...all you have to do is use some prisms and you will notice it's pure white light.
    Quote the Sun is white, not yellow.
    For you graphics people or web developers out there, the exact color of the sun is #fff5f2. The reason the Sun looks yellow to us on Earth is that our atmosphere scatters light from the Sun; so the apparent color of the sun changes. This same scattering effect is why the sky looks blue in the day time instead of black, like at night.

    Specifically, what is going on here is the Earth’s atmosphere scatters light in the blue and violet wavelength range, so the remaining wavelengths of light appear yellow. This same effect is why the sky will also often appear yellow when the Sun is disappearing over the horizon, as well as why the sky/Sun can appear more red at times during this phase of the day.

    As the sun is setting, more of the shorter wavelength blue is being scattered because of the decreased angle of the sun relative to you; thus the light has to pass through more atmosphere to get to you. This increased diffusion results in less of the blue wavelength being visible to you and thus what remains appears yellow. Similarly, if it is dusty or there are a lot of other larger particles in the air, this will filter out larger wavelengths, resulting in a red sky and red sun.


    So I guess it's just another theory out the door.

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