Is the white light after we die a trap?

[Wind]

Amazingly well said, Gripreaper.

[heyokah]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

So, the question is not whether to go towards the light or not, the question is whether you stand in full integrity within your being, whether you are trapped by beliefs which sequester parts of your energy, and how this manifests in the physical as well as the astral. You’ll come back here and play more games if that is what your energy signature resonates with. You will “see” what you believe when you transition from this life into the next. You’ll be done here, or you won’t. You’ll go towards the light, or you won’t. You will be in complete harmony with the energy you hold and that is what you will emanate and be drawn to.

I think your take on the question is very interesting, especially the last paragraph.
Really something to reflect upon.

Thank you.

[Synchronicity]

Posted by thunder24 (here)
Is depolarization something like Spiritual Global Warming from the intense heat of the Light?
...on a sirius note... when u die, wouldn't there be more colors then the ones we see now, and when one says clear light, is it clear as in transparent or clear as in translucent...?

I think it is different for everyone. Some see their favorite place they want to be or a place they dreamed of...some see colors, some light, some feel but don't see so much. It's as individual experience as living is.

[Freed Fox]

Posted by Synchronicity (here)
I think it is different for everyone. Some see their favorite place they want to be or a place they dreamed of...some see colors, some light, some feel but don't see so much. It's as individual experience as living is.

Indeed, perhaps vastly more so. In all our disagreement, we may be greatly underestimating the subjectivity of the hereafter.

[Synchronicity]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)

Posted by Synchronicity (here)
I think it is different for everyone. Some see their favorite place they want to be or a place they dreamed of...some see colors, some light, some feel but don't see so much. It's as individual experience as living is.

Indeed, perhaps vastly more so. In all our disagreement, we may be greatly underestimating the subjectivity of the hereafter.

I agree. When I help people step over I see many different things...seeing it as they do it seems. When I mention to families what I saw it never fails that they say, "Oh, yes! He was in the Navy so of course he walked off the deck", or "Yes, he missed his dog so much. I'm not surprised he saw him waiting for him", "Oh yes, the man who said he was Charlie was his best friend, so it makes sense he walked off with him", or with Mother or went off in a boat to fish or whatever. It isn't my frame of reference, but the loved ones seem to get it. Now, is that what the person shows me she sees and is it purely subjective, or is that literally what is there for that person? I don't know. All I know is that I have done this since I was a child, and then for several years more recently with more training, and never has anyone wanted to not go when the time came or ever seemed unhappy. And the ones that needed to help on the other side found what they needed as well and there is always guidance and healing waiting.

But then, that is my experience and the same goes for others that I know do this. I can't say it is the only one possible, and I freely accept that it is my perception and not absolute. I wouldn't ever convince anyone to go anywhere and in the last moment it is always their decision and their perception. I sure wouldn't try to talk anyone out of what felt right him or her...it isn't my path to walk. I am only responsible for my own.

[Shezbeth]

Posted by turiya (here)
Unless one has come to the point of knowing that this life is an utter misery, one will continue to be caught up in the many dramas that this world has available. It is ONLY when one comes to the point of saying to oneself - "enough is enough!" will a transformation be possible. If one has not yet come to the point of having a complete & utter breakdown & ready to commit a suicide - only then will the possibility of having a breakthrough become possible.

In other words:
The misery of this world provides the perfect backdrop for one to turn one's attention away from it, and to look inwards to where the real treasure is to be found. The real treasure is not in doing or having, but in 'being.'

My sentiments exactly. I agree with Calamus, Jackovesk, and others as far as dispositional polarity and harmonious resonance with love (as opposed to fear),... but this post (tks Turiya) so effectively conveys my overall intuitive perception/understanding of the grand scheme that here I am trying to frame it in lace and glitter.

This world is dross, and once one inner/understands that, perhaps there is emergence. Perhaps.

[observer]

• One of the popular theories being tested regarding String Theory by modern Cosmologists suggests the possibility of up to ten different universes.
• In the records of antiquity from the Vedic Tradition, we find a belief in up to twelve heavens.
• These two concepts are not far from a common understanding of the structure of where we reside, here within this particular reality.

Gurdjieff speaks of sending souls to the Moon in his work. (thank you heyokah) Credo Mutwa, the Zulu Shaman, speaks of Souls being sent to the Moon in his tribal legends. John Lear reveals that our Global Elite are in cahoots with the Soul Harvesting Operation on the Moon through demonic ritualistic practices. David Icke, Nigel Kerner, The Nazarene Disciples of Christ (Gnostic Christians/Essenes), all speak of Soul Harvesting, and in most cases, a Moon Connection.

This operation is all being conducted from the Moon using advanced technologies, and most probably through a hyperdimensional interface.


It's a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside of an enigma - a paradox with no clear understanding.

• The objective physical evidence indicates a covert operation on the Moon.
• The trends of the Elite Government indicate collusion with that covert operation.
• The records left behind by those with the earliest understanding of the supernatural, indicate something has been stealing souls - they called them Archons.
• There have been many individuals - John Lear among them - who have stepped-forward and told of what they know regarding what is happening on the Moon.
• The evidence indicates a matrix of control from a hyperdimensional level.
• This is all documented evidence, whether one wishes to believe it or not.

Posted by gripreaper (here)
"So, the question is not whether to go towards the light or not, the question is whether you stand in full integrity within your being, whether you are trapped by beliefs which sequester parts of your energy, and how this manifests in the physical as well as the astral."

I fully agree with the "integrity" part of your statement, grip. The evidence, since the Dawn of Civilization, indicates this "trapped by one's beliefs" mantra is all a part of the hypnosis. Ever since Humanity began writing-down his theologies, there has been a continuous promise of a "bright new dawn.... just over the horizon".

Ask that Palestinian Mother, holding the lifeless body of her dead infant, siting in the debris of her bombed-out home, if she thinks her thoughts created her reality.

Controlling our thoughts through the artificial manipulation of our collective reality is precisely the way the control mechanism works.

Believing that our thoughts are not manipulated by advanced artificial technologies is all part of the smoke-and-mirrors deception of this particular reality.

The evidence doesn't appear (to me) to support an either/or model. There is no physical evidence of a "choice" scenario. Any Draconian Prison Operation would never allow an inmate to simply, "walk-out". That explains the global system of ley lines. It's a matrix of control.

Perhaps in some other reality the idea that our collective consciousness is free of a control element is a working model. The sad truth regarding this particular reality, based on the trail of evidence, suggests our projections are the result of a highly advanced artificial technological control mechanisms.

One can believe in this objective evidence, or one can choose to disbelieve.

This conclusion is not offered as a vehicle for fear. It is offered for the few who have come to the point in their journey where they wish some sort of relief from the obscene horrors of this particular reality.

The best description is a "feeding operation" in any other words. A denial of the existence of this Soul Harvesting Operation only leads to the "Palestinian Mother" scenario.

The only possibility of ending the two hundred thousand (+) year "eternity" of a$$-biting-loops, is for a majority of Humanity to understand how the machine works.

Only then can one avoid the traps.

Going into the light appears to be one of those traps.

Posted by Synchronicity (here)
But then, that is my experience and the same goes for others that I know do this. I can't say it is the only one possible, and I freely accept that it is my perception and not absolute. I wouldn't ever convince anyone to go anywhere and in the last moment it is always their decision and their perception. I sure wouldn't try to talk anyone out of what felt right him or her...it isn't my path to walk. I am only responsible for my own.

It is in the spirit of this (above) statement that I make these reports, Synchronicity.

[Sunny-side-up]

I've heard a lot of advice and seen a lot of very grounded/good information from these related posts!
and so have some idea of what I myself might do when the time comes, if it comes that is

observer

One of the popular theories being tested regarding String Theory by modern Cosmologists suggests the possibility of up to ten different universes.
In the records of antiquity from the Vedic Tradition, we find a belief in up to twelve heavens.
These two concepts are not far from a common understanding of the structure of where we reside, here within this particular reality.

Yes I have read texts from different sources along these lines!

But this reply of mine now comes from my own experiences and from my gut instinct when I say:
What I saw could have been a representation of hundreds (1000's) of possible rebirth points, if this is so and each was a rebirth point to go into, and start off the next passable life as it where well! each in it's own right could in fact be a universe!
These points being laid out towards a distant focal point very far away, now!
I believe I could have stood a chance of passing down through these points to around 10-12 deep!

So maybe connecting your info and my gut feeling experience it's not so much that there are only 10-12 universes but only around 10-12 possible choices in one event relating to your own state of spiritual strength or evolution! Like stepping stones but instead of going one to the next you try jumping as many as you can! The further along the point, the more evolved it is!

Add to that if you are so spiritually evolved you can make it all the way through and past the many, many points and so break the mortal-coil and not need to be reincarnated again!


This gut reply has just come to me after reading your post observer and was off the cuff thinking.

[Sunny-side-up]

Unless one has come to the point of knowing that this life is an utter misery, one will continue to be caught up in the many dramas that this world has available. It is ONLY when one comes to the point of saying to oneself - "enough is enough!" will a transformation be possible. If one has not yet come to the point of having a complete & utter breakdown & ready to commit a suicide - only then will the possibility of having a breakthrough become possible.

In other words:
The misery of this world provides the perfect backdrop for one to turn one's attention away from it, and to look inwards to where the real treasure is to be found. The real treasure is not in doing or having, but in 'being.'

turiya

Hi turiya I just back tracked and found this post of yours

When I had my experience I was at that point, not a point of misery but of seeing/feeling my life was all a repeating waste of time, I was in a deep rut!

because I was where I was in my life at that time I was experimenting and doing things, pushing myself to far and all without due care and attention to my personal health/safety!

and so I experienced things, found and saw things I wouldn't normally have, things that normally take many, many dedicated years of studied exercises.

I got out of my rut and became more in-lightened and now so glad I didn't carry out my suicide plan!
but I still push myself to far at times! Doh

[we-R-one]

Greetings fellow Avalonians and guests. May I interject a thought process here that seems to be missing in most of the opinions I’ve read. The only reason I feel compelled to respond is because I see people being mislead and it bothers me to the very core. So my hope is by sharing a little scientific information, I might make a difference in the perceptions of members and viewers alike.

There is much that we don’t know, so how about we add something to the discussion that we do know? This will help one build a more solid understanding before deciding to accept something as a belief. Let’s consider some scientific facts made available to us, which might aide in our decision making process, of whether to embrace the light or run far from it.

Fact:
You Are The Creators of Your Own Reality. Want proof? See the following well known studies:
Double Slit experiment 1909, initiated the ideas of Quantum Physics

Same experiment repeated again in 1998 at the Weizmann Institute of Science in Israel, same results achieved, except this time it revealed, the more the observers watched, the greater the effect.

http://www.livescience.com/19268-qua...molecules.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/037426_co...s_reality.html

What does it mean?
“By being in this world you are having an effect on this world all the time, you are a participator.”- John Wheeler, American theoretical physicist

“We could not even imagine a universe that did not contain observers (us), because…the very building blocks of the universe, are the acts of (us) observing the universe!”- John Wheeler, American theoretical physicist

Is it possible that we may never find the edge of the universe?

”The act of us searching, the act of the human heart and the human mind looking at the universe expecting to see something will always create something for us to see. The act of us looking with the expectation that something is there, is an act of creation unto itself.” - John Wheeler, American theoretical physicist


How do we create our reality?
Fact:
1986, the United States Air Force repeated the Michelson-Morley experiment. They published the results in the scientific journal called Nature. It showed that the “field” exists just as predicted. Published in August 1986, E.W. Silvertooth, “Special Relativity”, Nature, Vol 322, (August 1986) p. 590

The “field” is also known as the Matrix, Source Field, Quantum Hologram, Nature’s Mind, etc… The “field” is the reason why your thoughts feelings emotions beliefs, etc. inside, have an effect on the world beyond your body. Heart based feeling and emotion has the ability to change the DNA in our bodies. When the DNA changes, it produces quantum affects that then change our physical world at a rapid pace due to the holographic nature of our Universe.

“What you believe in your heart, is what locks the quantum possibility into the reality of this moment.” -Gregg Braden

Ok, so you’re thinking…ya so what?
Look at what’s going on around you….Are you not constantly berated with beliefs that instill fear? The advice of “don’t go into the light”…..is it a fear based belief system you’re suppose to embrace because ‘Simon says’? If this causes you to question your belief in “going towards the light”, has not this doubt influenced you and your belief that the light elicits love? And since I just showed you the science behind creating your own reality, if you believe what ‘Simon says’ which briefly suggests the very action of going to the light will cause your soul to be captured, then….that will be the experience you have, as you are the creator of your reality.

So once you process the scientific information and sources provided, ask yourself, why would you even want to embrace such a belief? Are you not giving your power away by doing so? Are you not committing yourself to another round of victimhood? Why would you put your energy into any fear based belief unless you wanted to have that experience? Seems kinda silly right?

Recognize that often, you are in essence being psyoped at every angle! See definition below. Do you see what I’m saying? The more of you who focus on the light and the concept of running from it, the more of you will create this reality as being real! ‘You creating your own reality’ is a Universal Law and those who are in control know this and use this all the time to fool you! Can you see this now? They are taking the concept of ‘creating your own reality’, and using it against you by planting belief systems based in fear. There’s a reason why “they” consistently take the stance of ‘assume the position’. Because it works! And the science is there to prove it! Turn it around on them! “They” don’t operate in the position of the famous storybook theme of the” Little Red Engine That Could”. “They” operate from the viewpoint of its `already done’. Do you follow me?

Definition of Psyop:
http://www.military.com/ContentFiles...ate_PSYOPS.htm

PSYOPS or Psychological Operations: Planned operations to convey selected information and indicators to foreign audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of foreign governments, organizations, groups, and individuals. The purpose of psychological operations is to induce or reinforce foreign attitudes and behavior favorable to the originator's objectives. Also called PSYOP. See also consolidation psychological operations; overt peacetime psychological operations programs; perception management. (Source: U.S. Department of Defense)

So before you accept anything as a belief, whether it’s on this forum or environmentally conditioned through any trusted institution, ask yourself, is the belief one based on love or fear? Is the belief one that promotes a lower vibratory rate or a higher vibratory rate? YOU ARE THE CREATORS OF YOUR REALITY, WHICH REALITY WILL YOU CHOOSE?

Stop playing the Simon Says game (literally, lol). The heart is the pure universal tone which resonates through all things, not your mind….this is ‘the secret’. You want to win? You want to live in a reality of love and peace and walk in the light without fear? Then be that love and peace with the thought of it already being done.

And forgive me, but I must add this…you don’t have to be a ‘clear’ to create your own reality or be free of ‘engrams’. And those that think you do, please identify legitimate scientific studies that back your claim as I’d be interested in examining further, cause the one’s I’m looking at don’t support this viewpoint as that particular `protocol` doesn’t appear to have been introduced as a factor in these studies, which proves you can create your own reality regardless as to whether you're a 'clear' or not.

Please don’t ever forget this piece of scientific information posted above, as you may find the knowledge beneficial in helping you determine whether you should support a specific belief or not, including some of the one’s you already have. I also recommend if you haven’t taken the time, that you really examine The Biology of Belief by Bruce Lipton. There is no wrong or right answer to what you choose, it’s all based on the experience you wish to have. But know this…… the one thing that’s not going to change in this universe, is that your choice has an effect on the entire energy field that envelopes this planet. Stop following others; learn to think for yourself instead of giving your power away. You are only a victim if you choose to be.

Fact:
Belief systems are energy fields, which vibrate at a frequency; whoever controls the beliefs controls the matrix we live in. What a different world we would experience if the masses understood.

You want out? Stop supporting beliefs that support the false realities. Perceive your situations differently. Look at everything around you as being energy(because it is), and proceed forward knowing whatever you decide will have an effect on the energy fields within your presence and beyond. Do you choose to live in love or fear?

Why does history repeat itself over and over again? Because, like a broken record humanity continues to choose fear rather than love because they haven’t come to understand their power, the power of their heart and the magnetic effects it has on the planet. Fear nothing and love everything no matter the cost. It is only then, when the majority makes this choice, that our reality will change on this planet for the better and we'll finally be able to repel off the hamster wheel to nowhere once and for all.

Knowing this maxim, doesn’t it seem kinda ridiculous to be told to avoid the white light? Not to mention the plethora of other ludicrous ideas and beliefs we are constantly being bombarded with……There are more studies I could post and personal specific examples, but I’m trying to make the point by keeping it as simple as possible.

It’s gonna get harder and harder for those who insist on playing the games of, ‘Simon Says’ to convince the masses of their nonsense once you have absorbed the true meaning behind the scientific information that has been kept from Western civilizations for so long. The gig is up wouldn’t you say? Or better yet, for those who are already familiar with this stance and material….the gig was up long ago and we have already graduated to now living in a world of love and peace and as one, sound about right? If you want your environment to reflect or mirror the perception of love, than it might help to deny the beliefs which don’t support the concept of your desires, because 'you truly are the creators of your reality.'


* ”They” is used in the context of meaning whomever you wish to apply for this position


*****this message has been scientifically tested and Grip approved*****
Hats of to you Grip, you’re the best!


And finally….thanks for your inspiration PB, this post is dedicated to you, love to you always.



Sources:
Gregg Braden – The Divine Matrix
https://youtube.com/watch?v=DRPfXHni1ok

Stark Effect-
Standard Physics Text- www.physics.csbsju.edu/QM/H.11.html

Biology of Belief- Bruce Lipton Ph.D.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VYYXq1Ox4sk

Study of Epigenetics
http://www.qigonginstitute.org/html/epigenetics.php

Institute of HeartMath
http://www.heartmath.org/faqs/resear...arch-faqs.html
Glen Rein, Ph.D., and Rollin McCraty, Ph.D., “Structural Changes in Water and DNA Associated with New Physiologically Measurable States,” Journal of Scientific Exploration vol. 8, no. 3 (1994).

“Quantum Theory Demonstrated: Observation Affects Reality” Nature (Feb 26, 1998, vol 391) pp 871-874.

How To Play The Simon Says Game

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZyX2lvRPqIA

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Posted by we-R-one (here)
Greetings fellow Avalonians and guests. May I interject a thought process here that seems to be missing in most of the opinions I’ve read. The only reason I feel compelled to respond is because I see people being mislead and it bothers me to the very core. So my hope is by sharing a little scientific information, I might make a difference in the perceptions of members and viewers alike.

There is much that we don’t know, so how about we add something to the discussion that we do know? This will help one build a more solid understanding before deciding to accept something as a belief. Let’s consider some scientific facts made available to us, which might aide in our decision making process, of whether to embrace the light or run far from it.

Fact:
You Are The Creators of Your Own Reality. Want proof? See the following well known studies:
Double Slit experiment 1909, initiated the ideas of Quantum Physics

Same experiment repeated again in 1998 at the Weizmann Institute of Science in Israel, same results achieved, except this time it revealed, the more the observers watched, the greater the effect.

http://www.livescience.com/19268-qua...molecules.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/037426_co...s_reality.html

What does it mean?
“By being in this world you are having an effect on this world all the time, you are a participator.”- John Wheeler, American theoretical physicist

“We could not even imagine a universe that did not contain observers (us), because…the very building blocks of the universe, are the acts of (us) observing the universe!”- John Wheeler, American theoretical physicist

Is it possible that we may never find the edge of the universe?

”The act of us searching, the act of the human heart and the human mind looking at the universe expecting to see something will always create something for us to see. The act of us looking with the expectation that something is there, is an act of creation unto itself.” - John Wheeler, American theoretical physicist


How do we create our reality?
Fact:
1986, the United States Air Force repeated the Michelson-Morley experiment. They published the results in the scientific journal called Nature. It showed that the “field” exists just as predicted. Published in August 1986, E.W. Silvertooth, “Special Relativity”, Nature, Vol 322, (August 1986) p. 590

The “field” is also known as the Matrix, Source Field, Quantum Hologram, Nature’s Mind, etc… The “field” is the reason why your thoughts feelings emotions beliefs, etc. inside, have an effect on the world beyond your body. Heart based feeling and emotion has the ability to change the DNA in our bodies. When the DNA changes, it produces quantum affects that then change our physical world at a rapid pace due to the holographic nature of our Universe.

“What you believe in your heart, is what locks the quantum possibility into the reality of this moment.” -Gregg Braden

Ok, so you’re thinking…ya so what?
Look at what’s going on around you….Are you not constantly berated with beliefs that instill fear? The advice of “don’t go into the light”…..is it a fear based belief system you’re suppose to embrace because ‘Simon says’? If this causes you to question your belief in “going towards the light”, has not this doubt influenced you and your belief that the light elicits love? And since I just showed you the science behind creating your own reality, if you believe what ‘Simon says’ which briefly suggests the very action of going to the light will cause your soul to be captured, then….that will be the experience you have, as you are the creator of your reality.

So once you process the scientific information and sources provided, ask yourself, why would you even want to embrace such a belief? Are you not giving your power away by doing so? Are you not committing yourself to another round of victimhood? Why would you put your energy into any fear based belief unless you wanted to have that experience? Seems kinda silly right?

Recognize that often, you are in essence being psyoped at every angle! See definition below. Do you see what I’m saying? The more of you who focus on the light and the concept of running from it, the more of you will create this reality as being real! ‘You creating your own reality’ is a Universal Law and those who are in control know this and use this all the time to fool you! Can you see this now? They are taking the concept of ‘creating your own reality’, and using it against you by planting belief systems based in fear. There’s a reason why “they” consistently take the stance of ‘assume the position’. Because it works! And the science is there to prove it! Turn it around on them! “They” don’t operate in the position of the famous storybook theme of the” Little Red Engine That Could”. “They” operate from the viewpoint of its `already done’. Do you follow me?

Definition of Psyop:
http://www.military.com/ContentFiles...ate_PSYOPS.htm

PSYOPS or Psychological Operations: Planned operations to convey selected information and indicators to foreign audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of foreign governments, organizations, groups, and individuals. The purpose of psychological operations is to induce or reinforce foreign attitudes and behavior favorable to the originator's objectives. Also called PSYOP. See also consolidation psychological operations; overt peacetime psychological operations programs; perception management. (Source: U.S. Department of Defense)

So before you accept anything as a belief, whether it’s on this forum or environmentally conditioned through any trusted institution, ask yourself, is the belief one based on love or fear? Is the belief one that promotes a lower vibratory rate or a higher vibratory rate? YOU ARE THE CREATORS OF YOUR REALITY, WHICH REALITY WILL YOU CHOOSE?

Stop playing the Simon Says game (literally, lol). The heart is the pure universal tone which resonates through all things, not your mind….this is ‘the secret’. You want to win? You want to live in a reality of love and peace and walk in the light without fear? Then be that love and peace with the thought of it already being done.

And forgive me, but I must add this…you don’t have to be a ‘clear’ to create your own reality or be free of ‘engrams’. And those that think you do, please identify legitimate scientific studies that back your claim as I’d be interested in examining further, cause the one’s I’m looking at don’t support this viewpoint as that particular `protocol` doesn’t appear to have been introduced as a factor in these studies, which proves you can create your own reality regardless as to whether you're a 'clear' or not.

Please don’t ever forget this piece of scientific information posted above, as you may find the knowledge beneficial in helping you determine whether you should support a specific belief or not, including some of the one’s you already have. I also recommend if you haven’t taken the time, that you really examine The Biology of Belief by Bruce Lipton. There is no wrong or right answer to what you choose, it’s all based on the experience you wish to have. But know this…… the one thing that’s not going to change in this universe, is that your choice has an effect on the entire energy field that envelopes this planet. Stop following others; learn to think for yourself instead of giving your power away. You are only a victim if you choose to be.

Fact:
Belief systems are energy fields, which vibrate at a frequency; whoever controls the beliefs controls the matrix we live in. What a different world we would experience if the masses understood.

You want out? Stop supporting beliefs that support the false realities. Perceive your situations differently. Look at everything around you as being energy(because it is), and proceed forward knowing whatever you decide will have an effect on the energy fields within your presence and beyond. Do you choose to live in love or fear?

Why does history repeat itself over and over again? Because, like a broken record humanity continues to choose fear rather than love because they haven’t come to understand their power, the power of their heart and the magnetic effects it has on the planet. Fear nothing and love everything no matter the cost. It is only then, when the majority makes this choice, that our reality will change on this planet for the better and we'll finally be able to repel off the hamster wheel to nowhere once and for all.

Knowing this maxim, doesn’t it seem kinda ridiculous to be told to avoid the white light? Not to mention the plethora of other ludicrous ideas and beliefs we are constantly being bombarded with……There are more studies I could post and personal specific examples, but I’m trying to make the point by keeping it as simple as possible.

It’s gonna get harder and harder for those who insist on playing the games of, ‘Simon Says’ to convince the masses of their nonsense once you have absorbed the true meaning behind the scientific information that has been kept from Western civilizations for so long. The gig is up wouldn’t you say? Or better yet, for those who are already familiar with this stance and material….the gig was up long ago and we have already graduated to now living in a world of love and peace and as one, sound about right? If you want your environment to reflect or mirror the perception of love, than it might help to deny the beliefs which don’t support the concept of your desires, because 'you truly are the creators of your reality.'


* ”They” is used in the context of meaning whomever you wish to apply for this position


*****this message has been scientifically tested and Grip approved*****
Hats of to you Grip, you’re the best!


And finally….thanks for your inspiration PB, this post is dedicated to you, love to you always.



Sources:
Gregg Braden – The Divine Matrix
https://youtube.com/watch?v=DRPfXHni1ok

Stark Effect-
Standard Physics Text- www.physics.csbsju.edu/QM/H.11.html

Biology of Belief- Bruce Lipton Ph.D.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VYYXq1Ox4sk

Study of Epigenetics
http://www.qigonginstitute.org/html/epigenetics.php

Institute of HeartMath
http://www.heartmath.org/faqs/resear...arch-faqs.html
Glen Rein, Ph.D., and Rollin McCraty, Ph.D., “Structural Changes in Water and DNA Associated with New Physiologically Measurable States,” Journal of Scientific Exploration vol. 8, no. 3 (1994).

“Quantum Theory Demonstrated: Observation Affects Reality” Nature (Feb 26, 1998, vol 391) pp 871-874.

How To Play The Simon Says Game

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZyX2lvRPqIA

Well written We-R-One. I think it is correct that repeated thoughts create reality.

If Simon is incorrect about the light being a trap, do you think that a strong intention to return home, to return to source, could ever be a bad choice?

If Simon is correct about the light being a trap, then a strong intention to return home may be the better choice.

It may be very important to remove fear from the equation and simply look at two choices. Knowing one has the option, is being informed. Sooner or later, one option should feel better than the other.

Considering the choices and testing the answers should be an exciting adventure, looking for a tactical advantage while not being dominated by fear.

[Synchronicity]

we-R-one

That is what I was trying to say in my posts for the most part, but you said it well. I have many who ask me what is right on this or that or what should I believe, and sometimes they quote "enlightened" (well, the people say they are enlightened when they speak, but who is to say what enlightened really means and who gets to claim the state?) people who have confused them. They say someone said eating peppers is bad for them or having this set of beliefs or that one, going to the light, avoiding it, etc., and I just ask them what they feel and think about whatever it is. Many look surprised. I tell them if peppers agree with you and you like them, you think they are nutritionally okay for you, then enjoy them! You truly see something that feels right and makes sense to you, but someone supposedly in authority tells you it is EVIL or wrong or whatever, then who will you heed? Someone who has just an opinion as we all do? Or yourself? I live with my choices and I live with the consequences, and I see so many people running circles listening to that one, then that one, then them or him or .....how exhausting! Should I be afraid of them? Him? Everyone? The light? The dark? The clear? The blue? No light at all?

It's all opinion. Humans made up words to represent ideas, time, space, science, love, etc., and meanwhile the universe (s) go on despite us. So in the long run do I want to live in a corner afraid of everyone or do I want to stand up, raise my arms, and feel what I feel, try to make a positive difference in the universe...my universe where I create my reality? Do I trust my intuition and find facts that I choose to trust, or do I believe everything I am told and do as I am told? I used to do what others thought was right. Now I do what I feel and think is right. The peace comes from inside and if I'm wrong then I just am. I listen, learn, try to heal and help where I can, but no one will take that core from me. It took a long time to get here, but I choose peace and positive energy and joy.

I'm just thinking out loud, so not telling people how I choose is better than their way. If something doesn't fit that intention to make things better than I do not want to embrace it and absorb it. I'm not naive, but just choose not to fear. I prepare for the worst as best I can, but I reach for the best.

[Flash]

Throughout our life we should be looking for the truth should'nt we? Plain truth. Whatever it is. So when I die, I will still be searching for pure truth, which is part of source. If the white light is false, asking of truth and source is just your lifelong pursuit going on.

It is not about polarities, yes or not, this or that, you are dead men!! Time to get out of polarities and go for the truth, the source. I hope this will suffice.

Someone mentioned that it was strange that this thread got polarised, because it is not about dualities or polarities. It is about being one with the universe, with source. I do not care about light or not light, what I go to is the source the "clear" light (probably the truth seen) as name in the Tibethan book of the dead.

We-R-One, i love your video Simon says lol. EVen if I use it often when talking about what he said, because he is the one who said it. Not because I follow him as a guru. However, I do appreciate him much, I appreciate his guts, and his wanting to help.

I am not sure if people understand the price he has to pay in order to go public. Most would not witstand it, could not. In fact, yes I know, most people do not understand the real cost and the patience required.

[Sunny-side-up]

Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)

Posted by we-R-one (here)
Greetings fellow Avalonians and guests. May I interject a thought process here that seems to be missing in most of the opinions I’ve read. The only reason I feel compelled to respond is because I see people being mislead and it bothers me to the very core. So my hope is by sharing a little scientific information, I might make a difference in the perceptions of members and viewers alike.

There is much that we don’t know, so how about we add something to the discussion that we do know? This will help one build a more solid understanding before deciding to accept something as a belief. Let’s consider some scientific facts made available to us, which might aide in our decision making process, of whether to embrace the light or run far from it.

Fact:
You Are The Creators of Your Own Reality. Want proof? See the following well known studies:
Double Slit experiment 1909, initiated the ideas of Quantum Physics

Same experiment repeated again in 1998 at the Weizmann Institute of Science in Israel, same results achieved, except this time it revealed, the more the observers watched, the greater the effect.

http://www.livescience.com/19268-qua...molecules.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/037426_co...s_reality.html

What does it mean?
“By being in this world you are having an effect on this world all the time, you are a participator.”- John Wheeler, American theoretical physicist

“We could not even imagine a universe that did not contain observers (us), because…the very building blocks of the universe, are the acts of (us) observing the universe!”- John Wheeler, American theoretical physicist

Is it possible that we may never find the edge of the universe?

”The act of us searching, the act of the human heart and the human mind looking at the universe expecting to see something will always create something for us to see. The act of us looking with the expectation that something is there, is an act of creation unto itself.” - John Wheeler, American theoretical physicist


How do we create our reality?
Fact:
1986, the United States Air Force repeated the Michelson-Morley experiment. They published the results in the scientific journal called Nature. It showed that the “field” exists just as predicted. Published in August 1986, E.W. Silvertooth, “Special Relativity”, Nature, Vol 322, (August 1986) p. 590

The “field” is also known as the Matrix, Source Field, Quantum Hologram, Nature’s Mind, etc… The “field” is the reason why your thoughts feelings emotions beliefs, etc. inside, have an effect on the world beyond your body. Heart based feeling and emotion has the ability to change the DNA in our bodies. When the DNA changes, it produces quantum affects that then change our physical world at a rapid pace due to the holographic nature of our Universe.

“What you believe in your heart, is what locks the quantum possibility into the reality of this moment.” -Gregg Braden

Ok, so you’re thinking…ya so what?
Look at what’s going on around you….Are you not constantly berated with beliefs that instill fear? The advice of “don’t go into the light”…..is it a fear based belief system you’re suppose to embrace because ‘Simon says’? If this causes you to question your belief in “going towards the light”, has not this doubt influenced you and your belief that the light elicits love? And since I just showed you the science behind creating your own reality, if you believe what ‘Simon says’ which briefly suggests the very action of going to the light will cause your soul to be captured, then….that will be the experience you have, as you are the creator of your reality.

So once you process the scientific information and sources provided, ask yourself, why would you even want to embrace such a belief? Are you not giving your power away by doing so? Are you not committing yourself to another round of victimhood? Why would you put your energy into any fear based belief unless you wanted to have that experience? Seems kinda silly right?

Recognize that often, you are in essence being psyoped at every angle! See definition below. Do you see what I’m saying? The more of you who focus on the light and the concept of running from it, the more of you will create this reality as being real! ‘You creating your own reality’ is a Universal Law and those who are in control know this and use this all the time to fool you! Can you see this now? They are taking the concept of ‘creating your own reality’, and using it against you by planting belief systems based in fear. There’s a reason why “they” consistently take the stance of ‘assume the position’. Because it works! And the science is there to prove it! Turn it around on them! “They” don’t operate in the position of the famous storybook theme of the” Little Red Engine That Could”. “They” operate from the viewpoint of its `already done’. Do you follow me?

Definition of Psyop:
http://www.military.com/ContentFiles...ate_PSYOPS.htm

PSYOPS or Psychological Operations: Planned operations to convey selected information and indicators to foreign audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of foreign governments, organizations, groups, and individuals. The purpose of psychological operations is to induce or reinforce foreign attitudes and behavior favorable to the originator's objectives. Also called PSYOP. See also consolidation psychological operations; overt peacetime psychological operations programs; perception management. (Source: U.S. Department of Defense)

So before you accept anything as a belief, whether it’s on this forum or environmentally conditioned through any trusted institution, ask yourself, is the belief one based on love or fear? Is the belief one that promotes a lower vibratory rate or a higher vibratory rate? YOU ARE THE CREATORS OF YOUR REALITY, WHICH REALITY WILL YOU CHOOSE?

Stop playing the Simon Says game (literally, lol). The heart is the pure universal tone which resonates through all things, not your mind….this is ‘the secret’. You want to win? You want to live in a reality of love and peace and walk in the light without fear? Then be that love and peace with the thought of it already being done.

And forgive me, but I must add this…you don’t have to be a ‘clear’ to create your own reality or be free of ‘engrams’. And those that think you do, please identify legitimate scientific studies that back your claim as I’d be interested in examining further, cause the one’s I’m looking at don’t support this viewpoint as that particular `protocol` doesn’t appear to have been introduced as a factor in these studies, which proves you can create your own reality regardless as to whether you're a 'clear' or not.

Please don’t ever forget this piece of scientific information posted above, as you may find the knowledge beneficial in helping you determine whether you should support a specific belief or not, including some of the one’s you already have. I also recommend if you haven’t taken the time, that you really examine The Biology of Belief by Bruce Lipton. There is no wrong or right answer to what you choose, it’s all based on the experience you wish to have. But know this…… the one thing that’s not going to change in this universe, is that your choice has an effect on the entire energy field that envelopes this planet. Stop following others; learn to think for yourself instead of giving your power away. You are only a victim if you choose to be.

Fact:
Belief systems are energy fields, which vibrate at a frequency; whoever controls the beliefs controls the matrix we live in. What a different world we would experience if the masses understood.

You want out? Stop supporting beliefs that support the false realities. Perceive your situations differently. Look at everything around you as being energy(because it is), and proceed forward knowing whatever you decide will have an effect on the energy fields within your presence and beyond. Do you choose to live in love or fear?

Why does history repeat itself over and over again? Because, like a broken record humanity continues to choose fear rather than love because they haven’t come to understand their power, the power of their heart and the magnetic effects it has on the planet. Fear nothing and love everything no matter the cost. It is only then, when the majority makes this choice, that our reality will change on this planet for the better and we'll finally be able to repel off the hamster wheel to nowhere once and for all.

Knowing this maxim, doesn’t it seem kinda ridiculous to be told to avoid the white light? Not to mention the plethora of other ludicrous ideas and beliefs we are constantly being bombarded with……There are more studies I could post and personal specific examples, but I’m trying to make the point by keeping it as simple as possible.

It’s gonna get harder and harder for those who insist on playing the games of, ‘Simon Says’ to convince the masses of their nonsense once you have absorbed the true meaning behind the scientific information that has been kept from Western civilizations for so long. The gig is up wouldn’t you say? Or better yet, for those who are already familiar with this stance and material….the gig was up long ago and we have already graduated to now living in a world of love and peace and as one, sound about right? If you want your environment to reflect or mirror the perception of love, than it might help to deny the beliefs which don’t support the concept of your desires, because 'you truly are the creators of your reality.'


* ”They” is used in the context of meaning whomever you wish to apply for this position


*****this message has been scientifically tested and Grip approved*****
Hats of to you Grip, you’re the best!


And finally….thanks for your inspiration PB, this post is dedicated to you, love to you always.



Sources:
Gregg Braden – The Divine Matrix
https://youtube.com/watch?v=DRPfXHni1ok

Stark Effect-
Standard Physics Text- www.physics.csbsju.edu/QM/H.11.html

Biology of Belief- Bruce Lipton Ph.D.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VYYXq1Ox4sk

Study of Epigenetics
http://www.qigonginstitute.org/html/epigenetics.php

Institute of HeartMath
http://www.heartmath.org/faqs/resear...arch-faqs.html
Glen Rein, Ph.D., and Rollin McCraty, Ph.D., “Structural Changes in Water and DNA Associated with New Physiologically Measurable States,” Journal of Scientific Exploration vol. 8, no. 3 (1994).

“Quantum Theory Demonstrated: Observation Affects Reality” Nature (Feb 26, 1998, vol 391) pp 871-874.

How To Play The Simon Says Game

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZyX2lvRPqIA

Well written We-R-One. I think it is correct that repeated thoughts create reality.

If Simon is incorrect about the light being a trap, do you think that a strong intention to return home, to return to source, could ever be a bad choice?

If Simon is correct about the light being a trap, then a strong intention to return home may be the better choice.

It may be very important to remove fear from the equation and simply look at two choices. Knowing one has the option, is being informed. Sooner or later, one option should feel better than the other.

Considering the choices and testing the answers should be an exciting adventure, looking for a tactical advantage and not be dominated by fear.

Ron Mauer Sr

Hi We-R-One, I never limit myself to one option or one system/way of being.
I never limit myself to running out of time, I know you can always keep subdividing it.
I haven't even limited matter in my reality to just be solid or non-solid, I know it can be one or the other or anywhere in-between!
The above has saved my life many times now!

I had my experiences which gave me MY OWN found doubts about the White-Light. I came away from my experiences NOT IN FEAR, but was quite elevated and thankful for being shown not only a wondrous place, but to realize there could be a deception. This wondrous place also seems to have choices of direction, not just one path towards the Blinding-White-Light (The Head Lights), you can take the time to look around first and even see other Bright Coloured Light! My wondrous place has exits not just a one way street!

So I asked my questions in a few posts and got some very good feed back from many members. The questions and replies carried on and developed.

I have never been religious, I respect religious people if they seem to be good hearted people.
I haven't had the dogma of priests telling me the law or the way!
I haven't had the White-Light drummed into my reality in such a way!
I haven't let them tell me that so called reality or what I should do,
'm my own path.

Mr Simon Parks was one of the members who gave some answers and some of them resonated but! to say I am playing 'Simon Says' like a good little sheep is a total misinterpretation!

All other members have had their varying experiences and their minds and so has Simon.
None of them are telling me what to do and nor I them, they are giving me their views and conclusions which I/we then move on from in debate!
As I have said I have had my experiences and my mind, my questions and my conclusions.

If I am a co-creator (Which I know I am) of my reality well! my reality always has more than one option in it!

Love, Peace and Big Hugs to every one!

[thunder24]

why do people think they are not "one with the universe" now!?

Is it the liar or believers fault!?

[we-R-one]

Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)
I think it is correct that repeated thoughts create reality.

May we never forget this....we have to learn to speak the language of the source field with the heart not the mind, that's what science is showing us, and I can attest to that from having my own personal experience which validated this before the science had been discovered, so I know this is true.

Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)
If Simon is incorrect about the light being a trap, do you think that a strong intention to return home, to return to source, could ever be a bad choice?

I don't believe Simon is incorrect, because if that's what he truly believes, than it is 'so' in his world, his reality. But if you look at what science tells us, it doesn't mean it's necessarily 'so' for everyone else if they chose to believe otherwise. To accept his reality as the only possibility, defies the Universal Law of creating your own reality don't-cha ya think? At least for me it does.

Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)
If Simon is correct about the light being a trap, then a strong intention to return home may be the better choice.

Same answer as above, Simon's answer can't be the only answer.

Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)
It may be very important to remove fear from the equation and simply look at two choices. Knowing one has the option, is being informed. Sooner or later, one option should feel better than the other.

And yes, I might add the best choice is what comes from your heart, not because someone 'says'. I merely posted the science with the point of making it clear that everyone has a choice. I wanted to offer empowerment to help those who may be confused by the information.

[we-R-one]

Posted by Synchronicity (here)
we-R-one

That is what I was trying to say in my posts for the most part, but you said it well. I have many who ask me what is right on this or that or what should I believe, and sometimes they quote "enlightened" (well, the people say they are enlightened when they speak, but who is to say what enlightened really means and who gets to claim the state?) people who have confused them. They say someone said eating peppers is bad for them or having this set of beliefs or that one, going to the light, avoiding it, etc., and I just ask them what they feel and think about whatever it is. Many look surprised. I tell them if peppers agree with you and you like them, you think they are nutritionally okay for you, then enjoy them! You truly see something that feels right and makes sense to you, but someone supposedly in authority tells you it is EVIL or wrong or whatever, then who will you heed? Someone who has just an opinion as we all do? Or yourself? I live with my choices and I live with the consequences, and I see so many people running circles listening to that one, then that one, then them or him or .....how exhausting! Should I be afraid of them? Him? Everyone? The light? The dark? The clear? The blue? No light at all?

It's all opinion. Humans made up words to represent ideas, time, space, science, love, etc., and meanwhile the universe (s) go on despite us. So in the long run do I want to live in a corner afraid of everyone or do I want to stand up, raise my arms, and feel what I feel, try to make a positive difference in the universe...my universe where I create my reality? Do I trust my intuition and find facts that I choose to trust, or do I believe everything I am told and do as I am told? I used to do what others thought was right. Now I do what I feel and think is right. The peace comes from inside and if I'm wrong then I just am. I listen, learn, try to heal and help where I can, but no one will take that core from me. It took a long time to get here, but I choose peace and positive energy and joy.

I'm just thinking out loud, so not telling people how I choose is better than their way. If something doesn't fit that intention to make things better than I do not want to embrace it and absorb it. I'm not naive, but just choose not to fear. I prepare for the worst as best I can, but I reach for the best.

Yes, exhausting is right. Amazing how much simpler things become when you stop living in fear. The beauty is....you can't make a mistake no matter what you choose, your choice is a reflection of what works for you in that moment of time.

[we-R-one]

Posted by Flash (here)
Throughout our life we should be looking for the truth should'nt we? Plain truth. Whatever it is. So when I die, I will still be searching for pure truth, which is part of source. If the white light is false, asking of truth and source is just your lifelong pursuit going on.

The truth lies within the 'source field', and because you're tied to it(scientifically proven) be at ease, you already know the truth. God, I wish I could explain this portion better, but this isn't the thread to do it in and finding words will be difficult until you experience it for yourself. As you evolve, you will learn how to access it to acquire the knowledge you seek. I have personally done this myself, though I'm only at the initial stages of learning, but I know enough that this can be achieved. I wonder how many times in the past we have accessed the information without even knowing that's what we were doing.

Posted by Flash (here)
We-R-One, i love your video Simon says lol. EVen if I use it often when talking about what he said, because he is the one who said it. Not because I follow him as a guru. However, I do appreciate him much, I appreciate his guts, and his wanting to help.

I understand.....that video is hilarious and so fitting when you watch it. For what it's worth I make fun of myself too by posting it as I use to play the very game, but ask my mom, much to her annoyance it didn't work for very long.....now I know why.

[Flash]

Posted by we-R-one (here)

Posted by Flash (here)
Throughout our life we should be looking for the truth should'nt we? Plain truth. Whatever it is. So when I die, I will still be searching for pure truth, which is part of source. If the white light is false, asking of truth and source is just your lifelong pursuit going on.

The truth lies within the 'source field', and because you're tied to it(scientifically proven) be at ease, you already know the truth. God, I wish I could explain this portion better, but this isn't the thread to do it in and finding words will be difficult until you experience it for yourself. As you evolve, you will learn how to access it to acquire the knowledge you seek. I have personally done this myself, though I'm only at the initial stages of learning, but I know enough that this can be achieved. I wonder how many times in the past we have accessed the information without even knowing that's what we were doing.

Posted by Flash (here)
We-R-One, i love your video Simon says lol. EVen if I use it often when talking about what he said, because he is the one who said it. Not because I follow him as a guru. However, I do appreciate him much, I appreciate his guts, and his wanting to help.

I understand.....that video is hilarious and so fitting when you watch it. For what it's worth I make fun of myself too by posting it as I use to play the very game, but ask my mom, much to her annoyance it didn't work for very long.....now I know why.

"The truth lies within the 'source field', and because you're tied to it(scientifically proven) be at ease, you already know the truth."

Yes, this is what i was trying to impart here. Same views, two ways of expressing them.

"As you evolve, you will learn how to access it to acquire the knowledge you seek."

Who told you I have not? You know, every life has its own plan, called karma (I do not see it as the retribution stuff, just as the plan). Sometimes the plan requires not to remember until a late part of life, not because you are not evolved yet, but because it would harm the life plan if your knowing awakens too early. Lots of us in Avalon are very developed. The timing at which it shows depends on the life plan and its mission (name it learnings if you wish - or givings).

[we-R-one]

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by we-R-one (here)

Posted by Flash (here)
Throughout our life we should be looking for the truth should'nt we? Plain truth. Whatever it is. So when I die, I will still be searching for pure truth, which is part of source. If the white light is false, asking of truth and source is just your lifelong pursuit going on.

The truth lies within the 'source field', and because you're tied to it(scientifically proven) be at ease, you already know the truth. God, I wish I could explain this portion better, but this isn't the thread to do it in and finding words will be difficult until you experience it for yourself. As you evolve, you will learn how to access it to acquire the knowledge you seek. I have personally done this myself, though I'm only at the initial stages of learning, but I know enough that this can be achieved. I wonder how many times in the past we have accessed the information without even knowing that's what we were doing.

Posted by Flash (here)
We-R-One, i love your video Simon says lol. EVen if I use it often when talking about what he said, because he is the one who said it. Not because I follow him as a guru. However, I do appreciate him much, I appreciate his guts, and his wanting to help.

I understand.....that video is hilarious and so fitting when you watch it. For what it's worth I make fun of myself too by posting it as I use to play the very game, but ask my mom, much to her annoyance it didn't work for very long.....now I know why.

"The truth lies within the 'source field', and because you're tied to it(scientifically proven) be at ease, you already know the truth."

Yes, this is what i was trying to impart here. Same views, two ways of expressing them.

"As you evolve, you will learn how to access it to acquire the knowledge you seek."

Who told you I have not? You know, every life has its own plan, called karma (I do not see it as the retribution stuff, just as the plan). Sometimes the plan requires not to remember until a late part of life, not because you are not evolved yet, but because it would harm the life plan if your knowing awakens too early. Lots of us in Avalon are very developed. The timing at which it shows depends on the life plan and its mission (name it learnings if you wish - or givings).

Sorry Flash I wasn't able to interpret that out of your post. The way you worded it, made it seem that you did not have the understanding of being able to access the source field, so that's why I said what I said. When you said this, "Throughout our life we should be looking for the truth should'nt we?" My thought was you didn't realize you could access the source field for the answers of truth you seek, because if you knew this, why would you ask this question? That was my thinking. For me, I don't worry so much about looking for the truth anymore as I know the truths already because I'm tied to the very source field where they exist, which says to me I would already know what they are. The memories don't lie within your mind, they lie within the source field which is an energy field. Does that make sense? Easy to misunderstand someone as we are not able to talk face to face.

To me, in order to access the field you would have to develop a skill set in order to acquire the information as it requires a person to speak the language of the field for it to work. I probably could have said that better. It's not that anyone can't do it, but if you're not evolved in your understanding of how it works, the task will seem impossible. Yes I agree, we all have different life plans.