Is the white light after we die a trap?

[AngelArmy]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
Robert Morning Sky sheds light on this in his old video:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RqsMTLPS4fg

He shares what the Star Elder told his grandfather about the history of the Earth. How there were these "light chambers" that humans were forced to go into to wipe out their memories. Btw Cobra talks about light chambers, too that everyone will be forced to go through after the Event. These chambers are where we get "going into the light" and losing our memories from.... He's saying that when you die to turn away from this light because that's what has been trapping humanity in a neverending cycle of reincarnation. He said to turn away from it and look at the OTHER light because that would be your OWN light. People want to call him an antichrist for this comment, but it makes sense if you think about it....

Great post thanks

[AngelArmy]

Posted by korgh (here)

Posted by starseed108 (here)

Posted by Violet (here)
Quite some reactions already, so forgive me if the question has already been asked but: can we escape the light? Even if knowing.

We can all know this information now and plan in our heads that when we die we're not to go towards any bright light, but when I look at earth,...How shall I say it? Apparently the light is very attractive...On earth experience has shown that is very difficult to not go to attractive "things"...You know?

what worries me is if we dont go into the light - surely we are left in the darkness

LOL!
I tought the same, hahaha..
Could we bring a flashlight? or maybe a dog?

Think theres definitely an application form for it lol

[Synchronicity]

Well, I guess I can comment here appropriately since this thread is a more general discussion of the topic. We-R-one, you talked about reincarnation, and once again I can't offer "experts" (there are actually many experts who wouldn't be acceptable by mainstream science's definition, but I won't mention them) or assure you that I am getting it right, but I see people at least weekly who, when I do energy work with them, definitely know things they shouldn't from this one life and carry energy and issues from the time I see when I am working. I know from my own experience that there are things I have healed from after discovering where that fear or whatever the issue was really came from, and that was another time, another "me", and an intense experience that left the energy imprint on me deeply enough to bring it into this life to deal with.

I have worked with many people who (without any input on content) remember, observe, and learn where stubborn issues come from and begin to heal at last, and whatever mainstream science says or how it is explained scientifically, I see it with my eyes, I feel the situations, and I see lives changed. I haven't read deeply a lot of experts in many metaphysical fields, and that is for a reason. I find that what I personally do (allowing the energy to flow through me, not any amazingness of my own) is most profound and helpful when I'm not analyzing what this is that energy was or which healer came in to help the person. I approach it from a different standpoint than some do and I am fine that that since there is a need for science and a need for intuition and energy work (which isn't anti-science, by the way, I would say in general). I used to be a person who needed to explain, categorize, and analyze everything, but then so many things happened that I realized I couldn't and that it still worked for people whether I did have everything in neat boxes or not. I personally find that the more I rely on "experts" to analyze these type of topics for me the less pure energy work results, so I analyze some things and let the rest flow as they do.

No, I'm not telling anyone else to think that way and I see what I do as scientific in that it follows natural law, but I think it is lovely that we all approach topics differently, yet have input that can enhance the bigger picture. Maybe it could help someone along the way. I'm not sure with these topics where opinion is rife and people see things from their own perspective, much can't be proven conclusively, and it's a discussion on a forum, how one would really know if anyone is lying anyway about going to light or not going to light. Who is truly an absolute expert on that anyway in any mainstream scientific way?

I'll do my thing the same way whoever is telling the truth or lying, or maybe just misinformed, and it's interesting to see all the points of view. I'm glad you brought the reincarnation up again, we-R-one. I wasn't aiming my post just at you except when I mentioned you specifically, by the way.

[we-R-one]

Posted by Synchronicity (here)
I'll do my thing the same way whoever is telling the truth or lying, or maybe just misinformed, and it's interesting to see all the points of view. I'm glad you brought the reincarnation up again, we-R-one. I wasn't aiming my post just at you except when I mentioned you specifically, by the way.

What you're offering Synchronicity is personal information which is equally as valuable as supposed experts in the field. For me, the more this happens the more we can find the answers. When you can combine the two it's even better and that's why I shared what I shared, because that experience isn't always available. It's not to say that someone who's only worked in the field for a few years doesn't have significant input too. By sharing my story I'm trying to show people how you look within for the answers to help aid you in making difficult decisions. I'm finding answers by doing this and if I can do it so can you, that's the point.

In case someone missed it, the reason reincarnation is important, is because if we're suppose to believe our souls are being captured I want to know why there's so much intelligent design behind who I was and who I am now....something doesn't add up. If I wouldn't have shared my story, or how reincarnation works and where I learned how it works, you wouldn't understand why I'm asking the questions that I am or how I know what I know. I like hearing personal stories...for me, I'm looking for patterns and it's helpful when people share as it aids in understanding topics that aren't widely discussed. Beautiful post Synchronicity, THANK you for sharing.



*I have to say on a side note I find it really ironic that people say they want to know the truth and then as soon as someone posts scientific information that shows the truth and personal stories that align with the science, suddenly we're told by a forum member:

"Anyhow, the discussions on this present thread have changed from all involved, many members, to being led by and around at the most 3 members, if not in fact. just around 2 members. Wonder why? It WAS a nice thread. "

I can't help if others don't have anything to say. I don't comment on a lot of threads...why? Because I DON'T KNOW THE TOPIC. If I have something to offer I share, if I don't, I keep my mouth shut, observe and learn, that's the beauty! Are you guys for the truth or not? Or are you for promoting some fantasy that might not have merit, all because someone is a 'nice man'? or are you willing to look at all legitimate evidence? Just sayin.....

[Flash]

Posted by starseed108 (here)
Has my thread been closed

No, we just unknowingly changed OP

[Christine]

I am going to do my best to guide this thread back to the subject at hand…

WE are really trying to share our experiences, our data, the science and the different philosophies. In addition we have the responsibility to reply respectfully to members concerns and fears along with the responsibility to respect those who are so willing to expose themselves to us.

First: I wish to establish the reality that none of us has the answer for another nor even the complete answer for ourself.

Second: Some of us have more experiential data on how the matrix operates but that doesn't mean we are authorities.

Third: Generalizations are always divisive and do not help.

Fourth: Further condescending and provocative comments just keep this thread rolling in the wrong direction.

Fifth: The thread WAS about sharing differing experiences and offerings to understand what happens when we leave this mortal coil.

Sixth: NO ONE has all the answers or is acting as "teacher", the best chance we have to comprehend the matrix of infinity is via sharing our perceptions thorough compassionate understanding.

Seventh: My suggestion is that while it was what Simon said that started this thread, we can thank him and continue to help each other comprehend what reality exists when with one dies, this theme is most important to further our sovereignty.

[Bill Ryan]

[Mod hat on]

@ we-R-one:

Welcome back to the forum! But after an absence of over 6 months, you've now posted 24 times in three and a half days on this one thread:

• 4 March: 6 posts
• 5 March: 5 posts
• 6 March (yesterday): 7 posts
• 7 March (today): 6 posts so far before lunch... with every reason to believe you're drafting another right now, with another half dozen planned. Or maybe a dozen!

You're starting to grab and hold onto the microphone, pretty much taking over the energy of the thread that had every initial indicator of being an interesting, balanced discussion of an important topic that's rarely discussed.

Balance, okay? This is not just about your own ideas.

[christian]

Posted by we-R-one (here)
If people are going to thrust themselves into the spotlight to the extent that Simon and others have, they have to be expected to be scrutinized. Simon is in legal terms a 'public figure' as are many others who come on to Avalon or discuss their knowledge throughout the alternative circuit.

Everyone on the forum is a public figure to some degree, as this is an open and public space. Scrutinizing is fine and an intelligent thing to do, just as you say, but it shouldn't be a witch-hunt. How would you feel if I started a thread called: "What if we-R-one is the devil incarnate?" I could argue that I'm just putting a question out there and scrutinize you...

The whole question of whether or not going into the light is the right thing to do is of course very controversial. Simon has been asked for his point of view and so he shared it, he isn't zealously proselytizing. This should be appreciated simply for the fact that he's willing to share and communicate, whether one agrees or disagrees with him. One can always chime in with, "Thank you—I, however, see or experience it this way."

We all share our experiences, perceptions, and opinions. It's perfectly fine to questions those of others and share one's own to put things in perspective. This being done in mutual appreciation for making an effort to hone discernment in a group communication is one thing—calling others pathological liars, especially over an issue that is not very tangible and therefore highly subjective, is another.

Posted by donk (here)
To be able to a suggest the "dark side" is manipulating the white light but not being allowed to suggest the possibility that Simon is manipulating us (or being manipulated)** is hippocracy.

You're making a perfectly logical point. It's just that there is no use in pounding on that, this doesn't carry the conversation anywhere. Repeating this insinuation over and over is just a means to stifle the conversation altogether and shout someone down. This will not be tolerated.

Everybody is allowed to express his or her views, just do it with courtesy and in moderation. This is how Simon conducts himself. I don't see him hijacking every thread about dying with what he suspects about the white light, repeating himself over and over and calling others who disagree liars.

[Calz]

My bad for derailing this thread.

I am very sorry.

Actually it was one of the most interesting and important topics Simon raised.

I guess one downside from closing threads is sometimes there is carryover of "unfinished business" into others. I should have posted my feelings there prior to the thread being closed.

As for being "obnoxious" ... a couple things.

1) Check out Jake's appended post on the end of the closed thread ... yeah what he said ... only I cannot go that far.

2) The most "angry" post I have ever witnessed from Bill was when a member was posting about "calibrated" (physical kinesthetic type) measures of "truth" about some of the interviewees from the original Camelot. The member suggested one (or several) of the whistle blowers were lying simply based on his own trust in that assessment of measuring the "truth". At least one of which Bill knew very well personally.


I don't know Simon personally ... but you get the idea.

At least a couple other members do.


On a side note ... if all members resided in the usa there could be libel legal issues as well.


Again ... please ... back to topic.

My bad ... I surrender

[Christine]

So lets explore the Matrix.. (I have seen the Gregg Braden videos) and as the way synchronicity works I had started viewing them prior to reading about his work on this thread. I do highly recommend them as he clearly demonstrates how science has unveiled the matrix and we are indeed co-creators of our reality.

This was posted elsewhere, I found it very valuable, as indeed delving into and understanding quantum science has been an enormous help in "penetrating" the flux of reality.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jD4YKbkfp_0

Why I say co-creator should be obvious, as my "creation" can be in or out of resonance with another beings "creation". We are not one, we are part of a sea of awareness and sharing consciousness. Do we count, you bet! Do we influence reality, you bet! Are we sole creators.. here I will say no. This is why I put the highest challenge before us is to seek harmony. My awareness must include yours as I stretch toward greater wholeness. This isn't to say I agree with you only that I can reach deep enough inside to find the well of compassion that helps me understand you.

Okay, that said what about when we leave this "body"? What are we leaving? What is the body? Who are we without a body? Do we ever leave the body? Or do we leave the current presentation of a body? As I posted earlier on this thread it is how we live this life that we have right now that will lead us to the decision we make at our body's death (recycling?). So many questions…

My experiential data, that which I have recalled in a variety of manner including spontaneous recall, tells me that there are many traps on leaving this level of physicality.

What do we mean by a trap? In a very real way our lack of knowledge and experience allows us to follow the strongest light, force or suggestion. If we don't now where it is coming from we are easily led. We need to reclaim our FULL consciousness and then only then will we be able to determine the course of our own experience.

What is suggested to me is this… we need each other for that. We need to hear each other and learn from each other. We need to develop kindness and compassion, we need to learn to speak our truth without creating right or wrong paradigms.. we are indeed challenged to our very core to find the serenity of Beingness.. And to those who have more knowingness a greater responsibility to guide falls on your shoulders.

My two cents and a nickel thrown in.

[Synchronicity]

My personal experience is that the core of who the person is...not the mental illness, bad attitudes, childhood trauma issues, physical issues, or even necessarily the nasty deeds...stays pretty similar throughout lives. The differences come when healing happens over lives, but that energy...that unique energy that can still be recognized in a different time...is the same. Many of us have experienced meeting a new person and totally recognizing the person's energy. We may not realize that is what we recognize, but that "something" is often the energy we knew before in a different context. It's pretty interesting to consider.

[Freed Fox]

I'd like to share some food for thought on this issue, to perhaps offer a few different angles on this theory. I personally do not stand on one side or the other on this issue. I think it's fairly self evident that no one can pin down THE definitive answer, as it is beyond our experiential reality while in our present physical domain (the rare exceptions being NDEs and other spiritual experiences, but when the nature/origin of even those come into question, the waters are all the more muddied).

As a semi-related aside, my question to Simon on this issue was not that I regard him to hold the absolute or complete truth, but rather that I find some interest in his perspective, merely as a consideration and leaving aside whether or not it is factual, skewed, or what-have-you.

There are two fairly prevalent, esoteric alternative views of life here on Earth; that of a school and that of a prison. I would offer that the idea of a 'white light trap' of reincarnation can actually fit into both of these models in a surprisingly benevolent sense.

Say this is a school. In such a case, the light might be seen as a 'final exam' of sorts, or perhaps an entrance exam to the next stage of development. If the soul still has lessons to learn here, he or she is sent back to repeat the grade (or 'move up' incrementally albeit within this same school).

As for the 'prison' model, it is often conveyed in a negative light, with the implicit or explicit notion that we are undeserving victims. However, I find no substantial reason to believe that a higher-dimensional/otherworldly prison would necessarily fall to our inadequate standards and practices involving prison. That is, here on Earth, people are often unjustly incarcerated, or otherwise convicted for silly and ultimately victim-less crimes. Further still, prisons here (at least in my country) are more geared toward retribution and profit margins, rather than rehabilitation. In my mind, it should always be for the sake of rehabilitation, and if one appears incapable of such in their current lifetime, they simply remain incarcerated for the remainder.

I understand the frustration that may come from the idea of being seemingly persecuted for crimes which can't be remembered. Essentially, I have no easy answer for that other than the notion that something of our higher nature and/or past-life experiences would either interfere with rehabilitation, or otherwise make the task somehow too easy. If something is hard won, it is longer lasting, or more genuine perhaps.

Amzer-Zo brought up an interesting point regarding thousands of years of seemingly very little, or no progress at all; chasing our own proverbial tails. However, this only points to a dominant and indiscriminate system of 'recycling' if there are no fresh souls entering this domain, and simultaneously none are being allowed to leave/progress. I see no reason to believe that is necessarily the case. The explanations offered above would, I think, sufficiently explain this apparent lack of progress here; the planet is filled with individuals learning hard lessons, and all placed in situations to capitalize on what is needed to learn. The turbulence and tribulation may serve that higher purpose, essentially outside of our grasping.

In our history, we've had at least a handful or more of truly admirable figures; TRUE spiritual gurus, revolutionary yet compassionate leaders, and civil rights heroes. Yet, in virtually each case the individuals in question were in their later years and were not without their own faults or indiscretions in their past. It could be that in each case, these individuals were on their last run through this school/prison, and having overcome their major faults and/or evolving spiritually, they were able to share the fruits of their labor before going on their way.

Jeffrey recently started a thread worth checking out, if anyone here has yet to do so: Process of COSMS. In the case that his theorizing is correct, the 'white light trap' may be a function of the so-called 'quarantine', keeping us here until we have rectified the deficiency within ourselves, such that we do not spread the contagion that afflicts us here in any way, to anywhere that might be susceptible to it.

Just my thoughts for the time being, for your consideration. Thanks everybody for the contributions, thoughts, and experiences shared here.

Be well.

[Sebastion]

Robert Morningsky is right, pay no attention to the light "outside" of you. If you have done your own spiritual homework, you will "follow" your own. You will know where you are going on your own because you will have accepted complete responsibility for yourself and claimed sovereignty for yourself. You will find your way to the godhead if that is your purest intent.

There is no question that the way is frought with perils. There are things out there that will scare the living bejesus out of you. I have heard it said that the worst thing you will ever have to face is that of your own creation. For the most part, I would agree. Sometimes I wonder how I ever created some of the things I had to face on the way. I woke up a few times in the middle of the night lying in a sweat soaked bed and pillow as a result of some of the things I had to overcome. Sheer terror, yep had a number of episodes to that effect but it was worth it all in the end, and then some.

You must decide to take full responsibility for yourself. You must develop your intuitive and listen to the spirit that is you. You have to trust yourself. I have heard it said that spirit trusts you as much as you trust it. Methinks there is much truth to that if not the pure truth. Trust in the spirit that YOU are completely for you will come to rely on it heavily. It is your guidepost. In learning to trust spirit, you will develop the "language" to communicate as a matter of course. Those conversations with your truest self will be for you and you alone. Taking full responsibility and claiming sovereignty for yourself is not an easy task, but it's mandatory. Your intent must be pure and your will, all encompassing.

One must be willing to give it all up, surrendering all of it to spirit. There are no worries as you will get it all back, lol. But then, you will "know". The spirit that you are will lead you every step of the way and it will be up to you to choose and make the right choices. You WILL learn, there is no question, lol.

[Realeyes]

I keep taking too long to write a post (off line) and then seeing how different this discussion has turned. so delete post. That's happened 3 days on the trot now for many reasons....... I am all for people expressing and questioning.....

its the tone of delivery that well......

Side note: I do not mean to be boring..... this is a 'public thread' - and what is written on Simon's thread by himself and other participating members together decided they wanted to keep that thread for 'PA members only' - i.e. not visible to the 'public'. So I am wondering why quotes from a 'members only thread' are being quoted in a 'public thread'? Has common respect for another's choice/decision (their free will) gone out the window under the guise of scrutinizing?

We-R-one it is lovely to have you back on PA, I know you have a talent in researching and I have in the past respected your contributions; yet I am not particularly keen on your chosen method of delivery in this particular case, there are other ways of effectively communicating your message without it 'needing' to slam a particular person or a whole group of members and doubting their cognisant conscious awareness abilities. It makes me wonder who are you to judge so?

I think I get your message, you want to remind us of the Source Field (in case we forget) and to be 'Mindful' of what we put out into the Source Field. Are you aware that your first post included the word 'fear' 9 times, and 15 times in another post? Did you Notice then how the energy changed and also how the insightful sharing discussions stopped - mmmmmm....

[johnf]

This whole subject, and discussion fades in importance if the reader
has a practice whereby they can view their own creations within themselves, and
speed up the process.
Sometimes seeking others theories about what is going on with oneself can put
new hurdles in front of me in my journey.
Maybe this sort of thing can happen shortly after the body falls away, perhaps not
but the best plan is probably to find ways to let go now so that when the body lets go of us we don't feel any need for any immediate new answers.
That need, that grasping, I believe is what can turn any experience of lights into an implant.

Here is the simplest introduction to such practices I have found.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LcfcnCa9hps

Looking, in the fullest sense of the word can greatly increase the chances that we will not rush or try to stop whatever process is arising in our life, after it, or in between lives.

There are other processes and processing systems discussed elsewhere in this forum
Truman Cash's thread is one of a type that takes on the rougher subjects if you feel so inclined to explore that type of processing.

The big question in all these approaches for me has been, am I putting something there in my way?
Or am I allowing what is already there to fall away?

JohnF

[seeker/reader]

Posted by Realeyes (here)
I keep taking too long to write a post (off line) and then seeing how different this discussion has turned. so delete post. That's happened 3 days on the trot now for many reasons....... I am all for people expressing and questioning.....

its the tone of delivery that well......

Side note: I do not mean to be boring..... this is a 'public thread' - and what is written on Simon's thread by himself and other participating members together decided they wanted to keep that thread for 'PA members only' - i.e. not visible to the 'public'. So I am wondering why quotes from a 'members only thread' are being quoted in a 'public thread'? Has common respect for another's choice/decision (their free will) gone out the window under the guise of scrutinizing?

We-R-one it is lovely to have you back on PA, I know you have a talent in researching and I have in the past respected your contributions; yet I am not particularly keen on your chosen method of delivery in this particular case, there are other ways of effectively communicating your message without it 'needing' to slam a particular person or a whole group of members and doubting their cognisant conscious awareness abilities. It makes me wonder who are you to judge so?

I think I get your message, you want to remind us of the Source Field (in case we forget) and to be 'Mindful' of what we put out into the Source Field. Are you aware that your first post included the word 'fear' 9 times, and 15 times in another post? Did you Notice then how the energy changed and also how the insightful sharing discussions stopped - mmmmmm....

I had not thought of the private vs. public aspect of the threads. I have quoted Simon's answers to peoples' questions in my posts regarding his info about the light trap. I intended no harm. Mods please delete whatever you feel necessary. I have flagged it for their action.

[Hervé]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
[...]

Amzer-Zo brought up an interesting point regarding thousands of years of seemingly very little, or no progress at all; chasing our own proverbial tails. However, this only points to a dominant and indiscriminate system of 'recycling' if there are no fresh souls entering this domain, and simultaneously none are being allowed to leave/progress. I see no reason to believe that is necessarily the case.

[...]

Here is the sum-up of the recent planeto-political history of this solar system as gathered by L. Ron Hubbard from the recollections of 100s if not 1000s of individuals in alleviating some of their past traumas:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

THE ROLE OF THE EARTH
November 1952
[excerpts, fair use]

[...]

The space stations exist out here in the solar system. They use the asteroids. It's a very peculiar system. This solar system has a broken up planet -- the asteroid belt. It gives a low-gravity platform for take off and so on, and that broken planet is of considerable interest as a space station -- that is to say, as a galactic jump [spring board].

Now, there aren't any planets up at this end of the galaxy which form a good galactic entering spot for incoming transport and other ships. But this beautiful, broken up planet here with a light-gravity sun and moon, makes a very ideal spot. And as a result, this area of the solar system got into prominence. It got into a little bit of prominence, and it's slightly a house of contention.

The 4th Invader Force was there. The 5th Invader Force came in to use this area - and the name of this solar system isSpace Station 33.

They started to use this area without suspecting that the 4th Invader Force had been there for God knows how many skillion years, had been sitting down -- and they have their installations up on Mars, and they have a tremendous, screened operation. It has gone into 100% holding force. And it does everything it does with tremendous coversion. It's sitting behind a defense screen of enormous size, and nobody -- it's practically impossible to penetrate that except as a thetan. And if you penetrate it as a thetan, you go through the Martian Screen, and they got you!

[...]

The 5th Invader Force all of a sudden started to lose crews and they didn't know where they were going. And they got a little more upset about it and a little more upset and a little more upset about it. And a battalion was sent down here to Earth 8200 years ago [BCE?] - The 3rd Battalion. They came down in the Himalayas - the upper head lands, up about, oh, I'd say 72 miles NW of Khyber Pass - and put a base there, and still not believing that there was anything like an Invader Force operating in this system, failed to take any vaguest precautions with regard to their installations. They put up no defenses; after all, what was here? Nothing but Homo sapiens. That was just nothing, no danger, no menace, and so on.

And they were in this installation just for a very short time when all of a sudden, with a terrific crash, the 4th Invader Force -- which was a little more active then than it has become since -- knocked out this whole battalion (3,000 beings) and picked up all of its staff, all of its staff officers and so forth, and took them through to Mars and then knocked them back into this human race here. They are still here. There are saucer crews here; there are all sorts of things on Earth here from the 5th Invader Force. Very interesting.

And the 5th Invader Force, out of its own protection, took over Venus -- oh, relatively in modern times -- took over Venus and tried to stabilize the Venusians. If you called a 5th Invader, though, a Venusian, he would probably shoot you out of hand, because it would be a horrible insult. They merely monitor the government of Venus, and they leave Mars strictly alone.

Now, this is really, roughly, a rundown of the "political" situation in the solar system. Now, that's very interesting, because it gives you, as preclears, bodies in pawns of the 4th Invader Force. It gives you tremendous amount of personnel that have been poured down here for various nefarious purposes, all of them under some kind of a covert direction [implanted orders]. Typical game: Every goal they've gotten, they have a reason why they can't reach the goal, see? I mean typical game sort of an implant these people are operating on. They're relatively inefficient but, boy, can they hold onto things! Do they accumulate MEST [materialism] and that sort of thing! You've got your big holding operations. And you've got running through this a 5th Invader Force operation which is strictly, really, disinterested in Earth at all, as such, because Earth is a heavy-gravity planet, and who the hell wants a heavy-gravity planet?

Earth has been consistently used as a prison; and it's a prison, and it is heavily screened. There are installations in Mongolia, there are installations in the Pyrénées here on Earth, and there are installations down in the Mountains of the Moon (Central Africa between Uganda and Zaire) which pick up, very often, people on death. And the [being] just doesn't know what is going on.

He's in a state of deep hypnosis, really, and the moment he finds himself in association with a dead body, the thing keys in [triggers] and he reports to where he's supposed to go. And he's changed and moved around here and there and comes back down.

Really, from death back to assumption of a new body and so on, is ordinarily a time period of 15 minutes and he as 3 engrams in those 15 minutes: 1) Death 2) The [memory] wipe-out and implants between lives 3) the assumption - knocking out the GE [Genetic Entity] and taking over a body at birth.

[Hervé]

Posted by Sebastion (here)
Robert Morningsky is right, pay no attention to the light "outside" of you. If you have done your own spiritual homework, you will "follow" your own. You will know where you are going on your own because you will have accepted complete responsibility for yourself and claimed sovereignty for yourself. You will find your way to the godhead if that is your purest intent.

[...]

Yep! Sure...

... well, except in the case when that "guiding" light/hunch/gut feeling is a death-trigerred post life hypnotic suggestion to report directly back to implant station # 13...

Hence, I totally agree that one better ascertains one's sovereignty in all the nooks and cranies of one's being

[johnf]

A beings greatest asset is also it's liability, and that is it's ability to create, or in Hubbards own words to mock up.
So cultivating the calm in the face of an event of being unmocked, such as death is, can undercut the compulsion to mock up.
This is the real threat, and it is an internal one, so one might want to find these things out for oneself, recover ones own story first instead of looking for others to give them their story.
The R6 materials have been critcized by many as being evaluative, which contradicts the auditors code, as do many of
the practices taught by the C of S.
But since they are out there a person who hasn't looked at them, can wait till after they can blow a lot of that stuff on inspection before reading about it.
Just another example how someone can become their own worst enemy, or to use another phrase, create a games condition.

JohnF

[we-R-one]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
[Mod hat on]

@ we-R-one:

Welcome back to the forum! But after an absence of over 6 months, you've now posted 24 times in three and a half days on this one thread:

• 4 March: 6 posts
• 5 March: 5 posts
• 6 March (yesterday): 7 posts
• 7 March (today): 6 posts so far before lunch... with every reason to believe you're drafting another right now, with another half dozen planned. Or maybe a dozen!

You're starting to grab and hold onto the microphone, pretty much taking over the energy of the thread that had every initial indicator of being an interesting, balanced discussion of an important topic that's rarely discussed.

Balance, okay? This is not just about your own ideas.

Dear Bill,
I didn't know we had a posting limit on the forum. The forum is for discussing is it not? Many of my posts were answering other members questions. Some didn't bother to read what I wrote the first time I answered and had to re-ask the same question. To try and make it like I'm controlling the mic makes no sense. Am I suppose to ignore their remarks and questions? I never stopped anyone from coming on here to discuss their ideas and to imply otherwise is...can we say is "tilting at windmills". I think I bring a knowledge base to the forum that is helpful to many which is no different than anyone else. There are plenty of people on here that over-take threads far more than I do. I have no intention of being anyone's teacher and I was very clear about the 'create your own reality' concept which puts each of us in the drivers seat. Apparently many were interested as this thread has appeared to climb in viewing numbers. There was no 'witch hunting' in my efforts. I actually said Simon was right if that's what he believes. I won't bothering answering anyone else's comments as I don't want to be penalized for participating in a 'discussion forum" that clearly isn't meant to be for all. Please unsubscribe me as I no longer wish to be a member.