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    Default Re: "Don't go into the light" - Discussion thread

    If the after-death recycling scheme is a trap, one may wonder why it is almost invariably such a beautiful experience for NDErs. It could be turned into a real dusting down to make people feel lucky to be alive again, and more docile. However, hardly anyone has a hellish experience, even believers in hell who have done everything to deserve that fate. In other words, why pretend to be nice about it when there is really no need? Just a thought.


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    Default Re: "Don't go into the light" - Discussion thread

    This local groupie read in quick succession ..the thread in particular ... starts to remind me of some perverted cult with members struggling to get ready for imminent event of mass suicide

    Can you just , maybe , only maybe, stop pondering about 'it' for a while since there's obviously no way to sort 'it' out ?

    You understand you drive yourself to paradigmatic situation here , and there're two ways with 'it' , either you take it lightly .. and then the discussion can be turned to a joke anytime or take it seriously and drive your consciousness to trouble ,
    with number of other peoples 'alternative opinions' .

    P.S. The last thing anyone want to have on their death bed is arguments ...


    ....


    I remember .. years ago , when I was still teaching meditation and all things related .. you know how people are different from each other, some prefer sophisticated explanations and studies ( such as can be found in the Bardol Thodol or for example, in the Monroe Institute ) , others dismiss long debates being useful and want to be 'shown' things by direct instruction or example.

    My mum who had to go through some kind of surgery repeatedly that involved anaesthesia and I know she was hell afraid she may pass out within this,
    I remember she broke to tears one day .. saying she is not ready and does not want to get ready ( ) and no matter what I do ( yes what I do - not what she does ), she will be very scared.
    And I knew her , being correct, she was able to start fighting with doctors on the surgery table , out of sudden , hysterical girl , and tell them .. let me go home . She's done things like that couple of times .

    The only 'instruction' I finally gave her .. was .. before you go 'there' , meaning before they give her the anaesthetic , imagine vividly something you really enjoy, like field of wild flowers, something beautiful, and give your vision all you can , the warmth of the Sun, the smells, the colours, humming of bees .. and I'll be there for you.
    It had to be simple ..else she'd not agree to do it .

    Later when we talked .. as I was not physically around at all times, she told me she used this imagination each time when she had to go through some sort of difficult treatment .. and ( to my surprise ) it worked .
    It was actually due to this medical induction that she had to learn to 'meditate' and have some saviour methods and keys to use at hand .

    What I'm saying is .. things simply do not work for everyone the same , but it's the love that is the most important.




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    Default Re: "Don't go into the light" - Discussion thread

    Dear we-R-one, I have just seen mentioned in posts that you have requested to unsubscribe your membership – I hope during the night you change your decision and had time for deep reflection.

    The very topic of this thread has been of great interest and passion for me since the age of 4 years old, a soul knowingness that concerned the Light passage upon death. I have naturally had out of body experiences since a child, so I have experienced the ‘other side’ hundreds of times, especially going through the white light to understand it more and I do understand my truth is subjective to just me the beholder of the experience and may not be valid to anyone else’s unique journey. I also understand o.o.b. maybe different to a full blown committed death experience. I am willing to share what I have experienced with going into the white light and I would really love to hear your own experiences we-R-one of what you too have witnessed firsthand yourself that explains how you have arrived to a strong knowingness of truth about the white light. This type of experiential sharing is what I believe this discussion thread is all about – a round table sharing what PA members know/experienced/understand.

    We-R-one, we have spoken a couple of times in depth filled with timeless spiralling conversations, so I believe you have an idea of who I am and where I am coming from and not out to attack you in any way, that is not my nature. To be clear - I have not experienced ‘alien white light’ nor any recall of ever ‘arriving in implant stations’ and I have not had a ‘NDE’; Yet I do have plenty of firsthand experience via o.o.b.e. on this curious subject. Wouldn’t you like to participate in a thread that really looks in depth into this less spoken subject with members sharing what they have had in firsthand experience – I see progressive value in that.

    I too have been studying the wonders of Quantum Sciences since 2001 and how this correlates with what the mystics of old were describing. I also see within all these quantum potentials that there is also room for the ‘possibilities’ that such frequency fences, false light technology and implant stations ‘just might exist’. If someone can think it, the chances are this is not the first time in all of Creation that such an idea has been thought about before. And when adding into the mix the ‘greater observer effect’ such potentials are possible. Right now I am keeping an open neutral mind and very much appreciating those who bravely share their experiences or research on this particular subject.

    During my own spiritual studies over the decades I’ve come across at times ‘do not go into the white light’, so this message is not new to me, nor unique to Simon Parkes, so I am slightly baffled why his name is in the thread title, I think this is publically misleading, Simon is not the ‘originator’ of such a concept AND this is not the first time this particular subject has been discussed on PA.

    (1) Is this thread about ‘the white light’ phenomena in ‘general’?

    (2) Or is it specifically about Simon Parkes’ and his white light?

    Starseed108, this is your thread. Can you please advice and define for me what you actually want this thread discussion to be about as I am unclear.
    I will continue for now on the premise that it is the white light in ‘general’ that is being discussed. Smile.

    As to the concept “do not go into the light” and its ‘implications’ and ‘reasons’ why can be interpreted in so many ways. I suspect the reason why this concept is usually kept hidden in mystery schools only taught to the advance adept is because of the reactions such an implication can instil within. YET if this is the Age of transparency where truths and knowledge are returned to humanities awareness, I know for myself I would like to understand and know as much as I can ‘prior’ to committing to anything on ‘other side’ – I don’t want to be a faithful buffalo blindly following a herd plummeting off a cliff! This life surely is about ‘self responsibility’ in ALL WAYS that (to me) includes the ‘other side’ too.

    I very much hope this thread will continue to flourish in a healthy productive and respectful manner allowing everyone a voice to share and spiritually grow wiser. There have been some truly golden nuggets of insightful wise posts on this thread!

    To We-R-one, I know in your heart you dream of humanity living as free souls in a reality frequency of Joy, peace, love, hope serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth compassion – Most who gather here on PA have the same focussed dream, and from all that I have read and learned from speaking to Simon, he too has the same focused dream.

    And please know I understand exactly your passion about the Source Field, and agree science is now explaining the fantastic wonders that the mystics over the ages have been saying. Yes it is so exciting when we start working with the Source Field reconnecting to our Source where abilities such as manifesting, experiencing instantaneous healing in our bodies, avoiding car accidents with time/space reality bending/jumping, levitation, becoming invisible, bi-location, straddling realities, Future mind etc, etc, etc – the more we awaken to who we really BE the more phenomena pours out of us into our reality showing to us beyond doubt that we are Conscious Divine Eternal Beings.

    Love & Blessings Realeyes X

    I dug out some of my Quantum books from my bookshelf by some other scientifically minded authors that we-R-one (and others) may be interested in.

    Quote Science & Human Transformation, Subtle Energies, Intentionality & Consciousness – William A Tiller
    Stalking the Wild Pendulum on the Mechanics of Consciousness – Itzhak Bentov
    Alice in Quantum land – Robert Gilmore
    The Wizard of Quarks – Robert Gilmore
    A Universe of Consciousness How Matter Becomes Imagination – Gerald M. Edelman
    Hyperspace, A Scientific Odyssey Through The 10th Dimension – Michio Kaku
    The Quantum Self Human Nature & Consciousness – Danah Zohar
    The Self Aware Universe, How Consciousness Creates the Material World – Amit Goswami
    Physics of the Soul – Amit Goswami Ph.D
    Taking The Quantum Leap – Fred Alan Wolf
    Breaking The Habit of Being Yourself, How To Lose Your Mind & Create A New One – Dr Joe Dispenza
    The Morning of the Magicians – Louis Pauwels & Jacques Bergier
    Molecules Of Emotion, The Science Behind Mind-Body Medicine – Candace B Pert PhD
    The Emotional Brain – Joseph LeDoux
    Synaptic Self, How Are Brain Become Who We Are – Joseph LeDoux
    Messages in Water – Masaru Emoto
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    Default Re: "Don't go into the light" - Discussion thread

    Bearing in mind this is a ‘public thread’ with Simon Parkes name in the title there will be many outside viewers attracted to this thread who cannot view for themselves the ‘member only Simon Thread’ to fully understand what all the kerfuffle is about that has occurred on this public thread. Seeing as I have been participating on that 'member only thread' I would like to share from my own perspective that may assist in restoring some balance or at least another side to it. I am not a fast writer with my thoughts nor hold a great vocabulary of the English language which means I am usually slower than many when it comes to posting, so apologises if this post is now ‘out of time’ to where the thread is flowing to.

    From what I am understanding reading in between the insightful lines from members posts on all three Q & A and discussion threads, I see the majority in how they consciously write are in agreement and on the same page understanding:

    • We never left Source
    • We are Eternal Beings
    • We are Soul, Spirit & Source
    • We live in a Holographic Universe
    • We create our personal reality
    • We co-exist in a collective reality
    • We are Infinite Consciousness temporarily experiencing a physical body
    (Please fill in your extras to this list.)

    Do I personally believe there is a psyops going on with Simon? No - yet understand a psyops can arise at any moment especially when information ‘outside the box’ is being revealed.

    We-R-One is correct that no one was posting links to Greg Braden or Bruce Lipton or other sciences because that was not what the discussion on the thread was about, just like I wouldn’t expect to find science links in the cookery thread. Also, I have read ¾ of that entire thread and what I have read in the majority of members posts are exceptionally astute people walking their own unique soul journeys - who are consciously aware and KNOW they are connected to the Source Field; they understand they create personal reality within a collect reality within a holographic universe and just like I am breathing right now while writing this post, I don’t need to keep reminding everyone that I am still breathing.

    Simon’s thread (including everyone else’s posts) for me is one of the most valuable threads I have ever engaged with! Everyone’s contributions have been so informative, insightful, wise; thought provoking; defining; compassionate; mindful; members sharing their experiences..... dots joining all over the place ‘unique’ to each individuals own soul journey – I am seeing a cohesive high frequency flow of energy – beautiful to observe. I have met some amazing like minds and reengaged with star friends - This thread is so much more than just about Simon; yes he was the main focus that instigated this gathering, yet it has grown into so much more than this.... There really is something occurring that is rather wonderful, many of us are experiencing a type of spiritual quickening upgrade within our own unique soul journeys through our ‘own connection to Source’. I cannot find words to explain, it is like describing a new colour that only makes sense when one sees it.

    It is for that reason why I am so sorry to read others suspect something very dark is occurring. Please know I have not had a lobotomy, I have not fallen for ‘false bliss’ nor forgotten ‘the way’- smile. To those whom are very concerned, if I happen to be one of those members that you are worried about for ‘my safety’, please be rest assured I am actually having a wonderful spiritually evolving time – using my own discernment and very much looking after myself and my soul and always engaging with my spirit and Source – all is purposely well this end.

    As to Simon’s ‘PA members’ only thread (not accessible to the public) this was a group decision – no conspiracy there.

    The title of Simon’s thread (created by another member) indicates the thread is a discussion about 4D Beings and because we live in a 3D reality it also discusses how 4D can influence 3D. I suppose one could call it the 4D/3.5D/3D chess game if you like, and an opportunity to understand more about the different 4D/3.5D/3D Beings, species and races, and their states of mind and belief systems. It also gives an insight and awareness of the ‘mind construct systems’ that arise in these lower kingdoms of consciousness and variations of Time/Space. The thread title does not read ‘total enlightenment’ nor eludes to such, so I presuming those members participating can read, are cognisant and are clear on the subject matter being discussed – ‘3D and 4D’. If they want to read up on other very valuable topics such as Science or Out of Body, or Kundalini or Spiritual Solutions etc, I highly suspect they are clever enough to know where to look in the vastness of thread topics and all the other knowledge this forum contains – we are all having our own unique soul journeys flowing towards certain topics in our ‘own timing’.

    I know I have written a few lengthy posts about Soul, Spirit and the Higher Kingdoms and ‘walking the path’ and Simon has agreed that (paraphrasing because it’s on a members only thread, so this is how I understood it) ‘Humanity’ has the divine abilities within them to spiritually awaken and evolve into the higher levels of Consciousness all the way to Source - that is ‘beyond’ what the 4D the Mantids or Reptilians ‘present’ stage is (they too have similar options of spiritual evolution if they so chose). Simon makes it clear that he wants humanity to consciously wake up and spiritually evolve - isn’t that what we all hope and strive for?

    I have also personally spoken to Simon and for me the timing has been perfect! For myself I feel blessed to be able to participate with Simon on his thread; it has helped me grow exponentially within myself filling in so many gaps and questions and I am more self empowered for this experience. As I have perceived Simon (and I have a laser observer) he has always come across as patient, thoughtful, caring, knowledgeable, considerate, kind, insightful, honest, and compassionate and all the other actions of someone walking with impeccability and being of service to humanity to the best of their abilities. I know there are many other members who have witnessed the same.

    The alternative community so often says ‘we want the truth’, yet how many more ‘messengers’ do we have to shoot down before realising it is the ‘message’ that counts, and that each one of us has ‘free will’ and ‘self choice’ to take it or leave it. I personally don’t like the taste of tea, yet I am quite happy for someone to sit next to me enjoying their cup of tea.

    Love & Blessings to you all
    Realeyes X

    I will end this post with a quote from David Icke.
    Quote
    One man cannot change the world,
    but one man can communicate the message that can change the world!
    Do what you like as long as you don't impose on others.
    You know people go,
    "Oh it's ever so negative what you saying about what these people are doing."
    Well please excuse me! Knowledge is never negative. Ignorance is negative.
    And if you think it's negative and fearful to
    expose what is going on in the world so we can do something about it,
    then you are saying something about you and not the information
    .

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_icke.htm

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    Default Re: "Don't go into the light" - Discussion thread

    I don't know Simon or anything about him, so for me this isn't about him at all since I haven't been here long. I think that is a good thing at this point since any opinion I can give is just that and nothing to do with anyone's credibility. I think one person's viewpoint and experience is just as valid as another's, and I just have to go on what I see around me and my own experience. For me it's all about growing, healing, and moving toward positive energy, and the messenger might be a farmhand with a 3rd grade education or a Physics professor. In the long run I'm the only one on my path and when this particular life is over I'll be stepping on to the next place. Whether I see light or whatever else, I am not afraid and the ones who come back to visit aren't in anguish or misery, so I'm okay with what is ahead.

    And I say "I" a lot and speak from that perspective because I don't like to speak for others' unless I feel I can, so just explaining that. I don't like to say a whole group does anything since we all have different paths. I am not saying my way is the way

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    Default Re: "Don't go into the light" - Discussion thread

    I just wanted an answer from Simon maybe hes too busy, wasn't sure how to post for that

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    To anyone able to connect dots and by way of analogy:


    Related data:


    1) Pete Peterson in Camelot interview pointing that only 15% of the population is not hypnotizable with a strong indication that those 15% carry off-world genes.

    2) The third man in the room on how even "unwilling" subjects are also hypnotizable:
    Cosmic Cointelpro Timeline

    There is a little known fact about hypnosis that is illustrated by the following story:

    A subject was told under hypnosis that when he was awakened he would be unable to see a third man in the room who, it was suggested to him, would have become invisible. All the "proper" suggestions to make this "true" were given, such as "you will NOT see so- and-so" etc... When the subject was awakened, lo and behold! the suggestions did NOT work.

    Why? Because they went against his belief system. He did NOT believe that a person could become invisible.

    So, another trial was made. The subject was hypnotized again and was told that the third man was leaving the room... that he had been called away on urgent business, and the scene of him getting on his coat and hat was described... the door was opened and shut to provide "sound effects," and then the subject was brought out of the trance.

    Guess what happened?

    He was UNABLE TO SEE the Third Man.

    Why? Because his perceptions were modified according to his beliefs. Certain "censors" in his brain were activated in a manner that was acceptable to his ego survival instincts.

    The ways and means that we ensure survival of the ego are established pretty early in life by our parental and societal programming. This conditioning determines what IS or is NOT possible; what we are "allowed" to believe in order to be accepted. We learn this first by learning what pleases our parents and then later we modify our belief based on what pleases our society - our peers - to believe.

    Anyway, to return to our story, the Third Man went about the room picking things up and setting them down and doing all sorts of things to test the subject's awareness of his presence, and the subject became utterly hysterical at this "anomalous" activity! He could see objects moving through the air, doors opening and closing, but he could NOT see the SOURCE because he did not believe that there was another man in the room.

    So, what are the implications of this factor of human consciousness? (By the way, this is also the reason why most therapies to stop bad habits do not work - they attempt to operate against a "belief system" that is imprinted in the subconscious that this or that habit is essential to survival.)

    One of the first things we might observe is that everyone has a different set of beliefs based upon their social and familial conditioning, and that these beliefs determine how much of the OBJECTIVE reality anyone is able to access.

    In the above story, the objective reality IS WHAT IT IS, whether it is truly objective, or only a consensus reality. In this story, there is clearly a big part of that reality that is inaccessible to the subject due to a perception censor which was activated by the suggestions of the hypnotist. That is to say, the subject has a strong belief, based upon his CHOICE as to who or what to believe - the hypnotist or his own, unfettered observations of reality. In this case, he has chosen to believe the hypnotist and not what he might be able to observe if he dispensed with the perception censor put in place by the hypnotist who activated his "belief center" - even if that activation was fraudulent.

    And so it is with nearly all human beings: we believe the hypnotist - the "official culture" - and we are able, with preternatural cunning, to deny what is often right in front of our faces. And in the case of the hypnosis subject, he is entirely at the mercy of the "Invisible Man" because he chooses not to see him.

    Since we are on a forum where ETs, transdimentional/transdenstiy interferences are taken as seriously as sky-hooks... none of the above could possibly happen during abductions or emergency crew recovery or upon death of any "agents/probes/sleepers"... right?

    The above , on the other side of the dice, also demonstrates that "we" sure do create our own reality... trouble is... which one?

    The implanted, unconscious one or the one we consciously aspire to?


    Edit: How "Flashes" are used to induce trances (Zombies Part I):

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    Quote Posted by starseed108 (here)
    I just wanted an answer from Simon maybe hes too busy, wasn't sure how to post for that
    Hi Starseed108, have you posted your question on Simon's Q & A thread, that is where member's questions are answered by him.

    Here is the thread link

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-other-aliens.

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    Amzer, your post only deals with people's consciousness while they are in the body and how they can be fooled, tricked and be manipulated. That underscores the importance of taking charge of your own beingness, your own awareness. One must prepare for the eventual separation from the body consciousness because it is inevitable. Awareness out of body is quite different from being in the body. One learns what those differences are by preparing your way while still living in physicality.

    Your example shows how one can be manipulated by something outside of you. How powerful can you become by going within your own beingness and taking charge? How powerful can one become by strengthening your own spiritual connection to Source to its maximum degree? Maybe it's time to find out. One does after all, have the ability to "program" yourself, which if properly done through your own spiritual connections, I believe would overcome any programs installed by any alien.



    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    To anyone able to connect dots and by way of analogy:


    Related data:


    1) Pete Peterson in Camelot interview pointing that only 15% of the population is not hypnotizable with a strong indication that those 15% carry off-world genes.

    2) The third man in the room on how even "unwilling" subjects are also hypnotizable:
    Cosmic Cointelpro Timeline

    There is a little known fact about hypnosis that is illustrated by the following story:

    A subject was told under hypnosis that when he was awakened he would be unable to see a third man in the room who, it was suggested to him, would have become invisible. All the "proper" suggestions to make this "true" were given, such as "you will NOT see so- and-so" etc... When the subject was awakened, lo and behold! the suggestions did NOT work.

    Why? Because they went against his belief system. He did NOT believe that a person could become invisible.

    So, another trial was made. The subject was hypnotized again and was told that the third man was leaving the room... that he had been called away on urgent business, and the scene of him getting on his coat and hat was described... the door was opened and shut to provide "sound effects," and then the subject was brought out of the trance.

    Guess what happened?

    He was UNABLE TO SEE the Third Man.

    Why? Because his perceptions were modified according to his beliefs. Certain "censors" in his brain were activated in a manner that was acceptable to his ego survival instincts.

    The ways and means that we ensure survival of the ego are established pretty early in life by our parental and societal programming. This conditioning determines what IS or is NOT possible; what we are "allowed" to believe in order to be accepted. We learn this first by learning what pleases our parents and then later we modify our belief based on what pleases our society - our peers - to believe.

    Anyway, to return to our story, the Third Man went about the room picking things up and setting them down and doing all sorts of things to test the subject's awareness of his presence, and the subject became utterly hysterical at this "anomalous" activity! He could see objects moving through the air, doors opening and closing, but he could NOT see the SOURCE because he did not believe that there was another man in the room.

    So, what are the implications of this factor of human consciousness? (By the way, this is also the reason why most therapies to stop bad habits do not work - they attempt to operate against a "belief system" that is imprinted in the subconscious that this or that habit is essential to survival.)

    One of the first things we might observe is that everyone has a different set of beliefs based upon their social and familial conditioning, and that these beliefs determine how much of the OBJECTIVE reality anyone is able to access.

    In the above story, the objective reality IS WHAT IT IS, whether it is truly objective, or only a consensus reality. In this story, there is clearly a big part of that reality that is inaccessible to the subject due to a perception censor which was activated by the suggestions of the hypnotist. That is to say, the subject has a strong belief, based upon his CHOICE as to who or what to believe - the hypnotist or his own, unfettered observations of reality. In this case, he has chosen to believe the hypnotist and not what he might be able to observe if he dispensed with the perception censor put in place by the hypnotist who activated his "belief center" - even if that activation was fraudulent.

    And so it is with nearly all human beings: we believe the hypnotist - the "official culture" - and we are able, with preternatural cunning, to deny what is often right in front of our faces. And in the case of the hypnosis subject, he is entirely at the mercy of the "Invisible Man" because he chooses not to see him.

    Since we are on a forum where ETs, transdimentional/transdenstiy interferences are taken as seriously as sky-hooks... none of the above could possibly happen during abductions or emergency crew recovery or upon death of any "agents/probes/sleepers"... right?

    The above , on the other side of the dice, also demonstrates that "we" sure do create our own reality... trouble is... which one?

    The implanted, unconscious one or the one we consciously aspire to?

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    As was cleared up by starseed108 wanting Simon's personal answer and because we ARE having a discussion about the merits/ dangers/ experiences of "Going to the light" the thread title has been changed.

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    Quote Posted by Agape (here)
    The only 'instruction' I finally gave her .. was .. before you go 'there' , meaning before they give her the anaesthetic , imagine vividly something you really enjoy, like field of wild flowers, something beautiful, and give your vision all you can , the warmth of the Sun, the smells, the colours, humming of bees .. and I'll be there for you.
    It had to be simple ..else she'd not agree to do it .
    Beautiful. Anyone who has ever done end of life hospice care can attest to this as well. The resonant feeling tone is what drives the matrix. If one is in fear, fear is what the universe returns. If one is in love, then conversely, love becomes the experience.

    To create a "meme" which states "do not go towards the light" because it is a trap by the evil Archon's to recycle you into their prison planet so that they can continue to vampire your energy, and they are creating holograms in the astral planes to trick you into thinking and believing and feeling that the white light is your return to source! Don't do it, I tell ya!

    Does this make you feel loving or fearful?
    "Lay Down Your Truth and Check Your Weapons
    The Next Voice You Hear Will Be Your OWN"
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    As was cleared up by starseed108 wanting Simon's personal answer and because we ARE having a discussion about the merits/ dangers/ experiences of "Going to the light" the thread title has been changed.
    Thanks for that

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    I like Dennis' post. I felt lighter after reading it...the result, I think, of sanity entering the building.

    I'm by no means anti-Simon, but how can one not question some of his information when even he admits he's been terribly manipulated at times...

    Don't go to the light??? Because it's alien sleight of hand??? Excuse me while I let out an enormous GROAN. Next we'll be questioning whether breathing is truly biologically necessary or just an illuminatti ruse.

    Please, stop. Just stop.

    Guys, there is OVERWHELMING evidence that "going to the light" is a lovely and wonderful experience. There are literally thousands of anecdotal testimonials to confirm this. Over two thirds of all NDE's report an indescribably bright white light, accompanied by an equally indescribable pure love. The experience is overwhelmingly positive and even life changing. Intelligent, well meaning people have written literally dozens of books on the topic. Think about it.

    If you are really that determined to be paranoid or fearful, simply look out your window. Or go to yahoo news. There's a loaded list to choose from.

    I believe in the fantastical, trust me, but once we start corrupting common sense with fear-based fairy tales, a certain brand of insanity sets in. I'm afraid it's happening right here, right now.
    Hello BrunoDante. You definitely make some clear and valid points. If I may,, Of course we should question the information that Simon brings to the table. We should question ALL information that comes to us. I, personally,, have absolutely NO problem with the testimony of NDExperiencers... The White Light is experiential, meaning that once we pass the veil between physical and non physical,,, 'white' and 'light' become subjective to the experiencer. We simply do not have the words to describe what is being experienced, so,, the 'white light' is how it is described.

    In my opinion, there is the true experience of a blissful white light (as described by countless NDEs),,, There is also a great many deception being commanded, and the archetypal way that we think can, and is being manipulated by those who have mastery over the Astral,, and the 'white light' may become the focus of deception,, I am willing to consider it,,, as I have been keenly aware of manipulation in my personal life,, especially regarding Astral experiences and the inability to describe what is truly being experienced,,,

    On a side note... A true experience with allthatis would be seamless,,, meaning that there wouldn't be a moment to sit back and ask myself if I should continue forward, as it would be completely natural. If I DID find myself questioning it,,, I would NOT continue. Unless I am mistaken,, this was the point that Simon was trying to make.. You must, of course, always trust your instinct.

    Jake.
    Hi Jake, Listen, I hear you brother...

    I'm willing to at least consider most anything too; my presence here on Avalon should at least be confirmation of that.

    But when confronted with the profound wealth of evidence regarding the "light", I think we can safely assume what happens in most cases after death...and I stress "most cases" , as there will of course be the anomalous event or two.

    And when confronted with this evidence, I have to ask myself, after weighing it against my curiosity of Simon's statement, whether a thread like this is really constructive after all things are considered. My personal opinion is that it perpetuates fear and paranoia more than anything else. Sometimes the truth does the same, but considering everything I've researched concerning this topic, I can't, with reason, regard this anti-light sermonizing as anything less than fear mongering. I don't think it's done on purpose, mind you. But it's more harmful than helpful, in this poster's opinion.

    This spiritual amnesia is necessary anyhow, isn't it? If you know all the answers, a 3d life is pretty meaningless, right? There's no real room for growth, spiritual maturation etc..

    Of course I'm not an authority here. I don't know what happens with 100% certainty. My belief is a choice, and I choose to believe this way for 2 reasons. Number one is the enormous evidence, and number 2 is my feeling that God/Universe is a benevolent creator, as Wind explained so eloquently, and I have to believe He/She/It wouldn't allow a soul, our essence, to dangle so helplessly for a predatory alien race to take advantage of. I know there is some sort of astral tampering, some other dimensional mischief going on, but I simply can't accept that our creator would allow it to such an extent that our very souls become bait in some kind of sick alien game. Truthfully, I have to believe that, as to believe otherwise might cause an existential crisis. I think a man without some sort of notion of a benevolent God is a man who is flailing in the spiritual wind, so to speak. In other words, why even carry on if every step in the evolution of my spirit involves some sort of weird alien challenge? I'm not even interested in participating in that type of game. It reduces God and existence to an MTV reality show: keep passing endless malevolent alien challenges and you win Nirvana! Hooray!

    Sorry man, I just can't accept that. I find it impossible to believe that a compassionate, brilliant God would arrange things that way. It seems so backwards.

    My 2 cents, with respect.
    Although I truly understant your views, I Wonder: should we stop adressing certain topics because it does arise fear in some of us? In that case, most of Avalon would stop. But not only this, ISN'T IT WHAT HAPPENED UP TO NOW IN SOCIETY. CONTROLLED FEAR CREASTION?

    Aren't we able to go through our fears because we have not learned the process yet??? And as long as we don't we are susceptible to control through fear.

    Yes, such topics may trigger fear in some but should they be avoided????

    Personally I think it is the best way to evolve, going through our fears.

    " but I simply can't accept that our creator would allow it to such an extent that our very souls become bait in some kind of sick alien game. Truthfully, I have to believe that, as to believe otherwise might cause an existential crisis. I think a man without some sort of notion of a benevolent God is a man who is flailing in the spiritual wind,"

    I do think the same here, but seen from another perspective. HAVE TO BELIEVE and EXISTENTIAL CRISIS seem to the the most important concepts here. When our beliefs are shaken to the core, we end up in existential crisis. This is precisely what Learning life is about in my view. Why refuse the process?? These same crisis are those pushing us towards the truth and probably God.

    Now, yes, a benevolent God or Creator has to be behind this all, as a parent, he knows we will go through harship in order to learn the art of creation. It is only during the crisis that we doubt.

    The greatest crisis being, for me, to have to confront true evil, because it asks from me to confront myself to the deepest and grow strenght. This maybe the school I am in.

    Is the white light a reflection of true evil to keep us redoing our homework again and again? May be? Is there something else? May be, and maybe not.

    But I have to look at it without fear, whatever the end result maybe.

    Thank you Bruno and Jake, your posts allowed me to go further in.
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    Quote Posted by Sebastion (here)
    Amzer, your post only deals with people's consciousness while they are in the body and how they can be fooled, tricked and be manipulated. That underscores the importance of taking charge of your own beingness, your own awareness. One must prepare for the eventual separation from the body consciousness because it is inevitable. Awareness out of body is quite different from being in the body. One learns what those differences are by preparing your way while still living in physicality.

    Your example shows how one can be manipulated by something outside of you. How powerful can you become by going within your own beingness and taking charge? How powerful can one become by strengthening your own spiritual connection to Source to its maximum degree? Maybe it's time to find out. One does after all, have the ability to "program" yourself, which if properly done through your own spiritual connections, I believe would overcome any programs installed by any alien.
    [...]

    ???

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    Robert Morningsky is right, pay no attention to the light "outside" of you. If you have done your own spiritual homework, you will "follow" your own. You will know where you are going on your own because you will have accepted complete responsibility for yourself and claimed sovereignty for yourself. You will find your way to the godhead if that is your purest intent.

    [...]
    Yep! Sure...

    ... well, except in the case when that "guiding" light/hunch/gut feeling is a death-trigerred post life hypnotic suggestion to report directly back to implant station # 13...

    Hence, I totally agree that one better ascertains one's sovereignty in all the nooks and crannies of one's being

    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    [...]

    As for implanting... it's a little more advanced than "Brain heterodyining/entrainment" (but same principle) with "Bodies in pawn":

    p. 52, R&D vol. 11
    A theta (Ɵ) body [i.e. a disembodied being] can be hypnotized, can be put to sleep, can go to sleep, can be made to forget, can be given hypnotic suggestions, can be lowered on the Tone Scale, raised on the Tone Scale, can have its identity blotted out. In Fac One, for instance, the waves that are hitting a MEST body [i.e a biological body] and piling up, but where they are really piling up is against the outer shell of the theta body. And that MEST body is long dead and you're no longer even vaguely connected with the somatic evolutionary line of those bodies you had in Fac One, but you're still packing this with the theta body and it's still aberrative.

    P. 53
    In other words, the theta body can be aberrated by electronic fields, by drugs, by other contact against the MEST body or against itself. It can be handled, actually, when it's by itself, only with heavy electronic fields. Nothing can hit it.

    A body in pawn utilizes not the thetan but ridges. They'll take a thetan and they'll build up ridges; and these ridges will act like personalities, and because their wavelength is known, they can be monitored. [same way "Satanic" cults (e.g. "Skull & Bones") and CIA MKultra manufactured "sleepers" and other multiple personalities in their subjects]

    So you'll very often run into entities. And there are a certain number of entities and they're in a certain order and so on, and they act like beings in a person, but they are not beings. And you want to know how to get rid of an entity. [see book "What to Audit" = Scientology, A History of Man]

    How do you get rid of an entity? You simply find out where that entity is located in the body geographically. Your next step is to find out where the entity is stuck on the Time Track [psycho]. And you'll find out that it's some sort of an incident having to do with a body in pawn, it'll be a between-lives implant; it'll be something on this order.

    It may be that you will find that the person during an operation has suddenly conceived that he is dead, has reported back in [the terminus of the "white light tunnel" reported by NDEs' experiencers who are told to "go back"]; he obviously was not dead, and what they did was layout one of his ridges - which he took right along with him, of course - lay onto one of his ridges the fact that he mustn't know and mustn't tell.

    Very often, when he appeared back in a body with the violence of pain of an accident or something of this sort, he killed the body in pawn to which he was very nebulously attached while he was here.

    Mars: They're guilty of tremendous overt acts themselves. They've got a holding operation; they have no method of attacks. They have been influencing via the mind for so long that they've actually lost initiative to do anything else. Some guard has been walking past some cell where there's a body in pawn, and all of a sudden this body stirs. Bodies are not supposed to do that. So he says: "Oh oh, somebody just died." But it doesn't stir the way a body stirs when it just died. Probably a few years ago they said: "Oh, some damn hypnotist... Nobody will believe him anyway." They didn't do too much about it. But that's not the case here in the last year or so. They've been fascinated.

    You'll find an occasional body in pawn from the 5th Invader Force and when you do, it'll be on a different proposition because it's monitored by consent; the guy is here with a comm line set up. And he's almost in a state of knowingness concerning exactly where he came from and what he's doing. Bodies in pawn both on Mars and on Venus are monitored electronically.

    You can take a preclear and coax him to knock off a body in pawn. It's really not much of a shock because, you see, he's not in that body. He's just nebulously monitored by that body, because somebody can walk in, stir up the body, give the body a command, and he himself will perceive the command. This is a relay system of ridges [like radio transmitters].

    Now, if you get rid of one of those things, run out the point where the ridge is stuck on the time track. You just run it out as an incident. You ask the preclear to move into that area of his body and push on through the incident as though it happened to him. And he will tell you in a moment or two: "But this didn't happen to me; this is just lying there." Up to that time he thought it happened to him. It didn't really. What it was, was a facsimile laid down on one of his ridges. And you will find that as many as 5 or more bodies in pawn are being held here and there throughout the universe for one preclear.

    As far as a theta being very badly implanted is concerned, how can you implant an energy unit? It's a question in which you should be awfully interested. Because you can't. You can give it some ridges, but it can always move out from amongst these ridges.

    And merely as an aside, in order to protect your preclear against suddenly having nightmares or something of the sort - regardless of whether you believe it or not or place any credence in it or not - just encourage him to knock off those bodies that he has that are extra bodies elsewhere. It's not that it's merely upsetting to the Martian's regime; it is not that it is very effective in restoring his health, but you certainly cannot expect an individual who is pinned down someplace and can be put under pain from a remote distance, to become clear. So, just encourage him to knock them off. All they do is use the phenomenon of ridges you see, and they throw a facsimile into play on that ridge, and the person can be monitored.
    Why would "out-of-body" beings run into "ghosts" stuck in some portion of their former "lives?" That, too, is a matter of "belief" and created reality.

    The "by way of analogy" is there because why in all hells and heavens would someone, just extirpated from a dead body, report trustfully to its designated implant station?

    As exemplified in the above quote there is nothing disagreeing with a complete sovereign state in which every nooks and crannies of one's being has been cleanse of these made-up beliefs. That state, however makes it difficult to understand that many others are totally mired in that other state in which beings are influenced by their own "ridges"/unconscious implants which are also manipulated by "others."

    Hence, how many abductees do actually recall their abductions? Not that many, I gathered, yet these abductions for most of them are dealing with the "theta body" which is the one being manipulated, implanted, electronically zapped, etc, to the point that the physical body left on earth will display various bruises, etc.

    Anyway, for what it's worth, I am missing nothing of your point of view nor of a W-R-1's as it is indeed a way out. However, for some of us, it's a long way out and includes not falling into white light traps once more

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    Quote Posted by gripreaper (here)
    To create a "meme" which states "do not go towards the light" because it is a trap by the evil Archon's to recycle you into their prison planet so that they can continue to vampire your energy, and they are creating holograms in the astral planes to trick you into thinking and believing and feeling that the white light is your return to source! Don't do it, I tell ya!

    Does this make you feel loving or fearful?
    Aren't the Archon's masters of HAL, simulation? Isn't their goal to deviate humanity from our true PATH? So, I wouldn't put it past the Demiurge to distort/corrupt our understanding of the afterlife and to simulate/distort/corrupt/deviate us on our AFTERLIFE PATH as well.

    Knowing that possibility doesn't make me fearful, it broadens my understanding and empowers me.
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    This matrix seems like a strange place and science tells me it is "illusion". There is nothing I ever found that seems a cure for the ills without some sort of blowback that kept things turning. The "Bus-i-ness" is just what happens.

    The underlying dilemma posed by "should one or should one not " is to me related to a whole condition that I think many people have reached. "I don't know what to do now?"
    IMO, wherever one is *now* in the state one is in, gets projected.
    There is an emphasis in "what is right and what is wrong for...."
    There is loss of faith for many that anything we ever have learned is possibly lastingly helpful to know.
    The confusion is reflected in so many intellectual abstract questions and emotions too. "Where is the truth?" the man asks as he wanders in an empty marketplace.

    IMO what we are experiencing is like the "end of the internet", the bankruptcy of the "Alter ego" and it is a personal crisis of the whole of us.
    Also, it seems there is pressure on the crisis so it is somewhat personally explosive.

    This is what the whole being craves...a world beyond the busy reverberation. IMO this reverberation is what feels like fighting and meddling and is not sufficient. There is some "where" IMO we have never been before because we started on a path of a "world of doing 24/7/365 to create" and none of the formulas were what we expected might evolve.

    So many are in this chaos of dissatisfaction.

    Lets just make up a Typical "person". All along living on the planet, everything is concerned with doing. The world is full of doings: reproducing the world means we have to populate it, manage it, withstand the "weather", build, repair, tear down, build again.

    At one point we feel "I want to do this myself" as an independent being.

    1. The person might study what others have been doing to get a clue about the process.
    2.The person might select a menu or make up a set of "directions" as a personal strategy.
    3.Plans are made and doing something feels "right". One gets feedback according to the selected ideas.
    4. One may be satisfied by doing all the choices one has selected from what is observed for a long time.

    No strategy will work very long because duality is a pendulum that swings from pole to pole. Nothing "works" for very long. One cannot make plans that stick. One is seemingly ultimately disappointed very much by ALL possible selections. This disillusionment seems a curse "meted out by unreasonable gods". Confronted by seeming hopelessness that one can do anything "well" leads to a crisis.

    The person might just constrict into "paralysis" and become like a catatonic (or a walking zombie all empty) and in deep isolation and grief just implode.
    One perhaps dies and starts over from the unresolvable insanity one sees as one's life? But one takes oneself as consciousness and has to deal with the old unresolved IMO. A pattern is set from the past.

    3. Is that ALL? The being is so curious. In longing, a person might imagine that there is an inner guidance and do something about contacting that source of information. This is not easy and is scary because it is unknown.

    IF information is sought within, one might start hearing all kinds of voices too from fragmented aspects and feel still seem lost and splintered.

    IMO the biggest shift is from faith in an external "anything solid" to disillusionment and then necessary involvement in our own tumultuous "stuff".

    Once one has become utterly renouncing of the possibility of doing anything really with the world as is, one is still faced by the inner "turmoil". One might sense one has gone mad by all the inner contradiction.

    IMO this is what karma is really about "We Were Doing Something...." We make the decisions even to believe in the permanence and the rightness/wrongness of our behavior.

    For a long time we are committed to "doing something ELSE to make up for what was done". One extreme wants to balance another in "accomplishment". It can never end. That may be what seems like imprisonment?

    Or if one changes it around to not needing justice, maybe one can just enjoy the temporary swings of life experience?

    The inner turmoil we are just now facing needs a LOT of compassion towards the self. I think forgiveness is really the only sane choice. We can approach the accumulated "doingness" differently than "justice". We can release it to the clear light. Ongoing forgiveness. Keep nothing at the end of a day.

    Self directed compassion dissolves the accretion of the ideas. One is innocent. IMO when one is innocent, one does not have the same "field" experience. It is sort of energetic science IMO.

    I just saw a movie that talked about Milarepa. http://youtu.be/e-Pcv72zwKY

    The story is simple. Milarepa was charged with responsibility for righting a wrong in his family. He was challenged by evil "doers": "If you are many form an army. If you are few become sorcerers" to fight. He was just himself and became a sorcerer. Cursing the injustice and retaliating left a bad taste. He went looking for something beyond this menu. IMO he lost his confusion and became what is sought beyond all the offerings of the matrix.

    I hope the clearing and peace yields release of all so the needs for Busy is resolved in me.
    In facing the clear, IMO it is still my own thought forms that "look like" something important? IMO unfinished "Bus-i-ness" is the confusing ANYWHERE.
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    We always have a choice to accept an experience as empowering, expanding and as a valuable learning process or to consider ourselves a helpless victim. I have found this to be true in the physical and in many years of interacting with beings/souls on all the dimensions I've passed through and experienced up to the Source and merging with the Source. I have said that the light CAN be a trap for those who choose to be trapped. But it is a trap that feels like heaven to many and hell to those who feel they deserve to suffer. Trap may be the wrong word to use since we generally have a negative connotation of the concept of a trap. It could instead be described as a natural mechanism that allows souls to be where they belong, where their vibratory level resonates with, and to move on once they gain full sovereignty, which they always have access to at any time they decide to become totally sovereign.

    Once I became completely empowered/sovereign, which took a couple of months of sometimes very scary experiences in my nightly out of body travels (beginning in 1980 while living in Hawaii), I was able to inhabit any dimension without being kept there by fear of or attraction to any other being (like a being playing at being a god) or any degree of light. I had no fear and I had full access to Love. At that point I could either participate in games, which is how I see the entire creation - as one huge game - or I could merge with souls, demonic beings, gods, younger or weaker souls who have not yet gained the full power of love and we would become ONE. I engaged in a lot of merging in every dimension up to merging with Source, then would sometimes immediately go back to my body, or come back into the Creation through the increasingly lower vibrational dimensions.

    I got to experience both fear and bliss in my out of body trips for the first couple of months of my travels. That was a totally valuable experience because it was during the MOST fearful experience of being dragged by a hugely powerful demonic being into what looked and felt like the fires of hells that I finally surrendered to love/God/Source and became totally empowered. After acquiring the power of love I no longer was able to be controlled, intimidated, attracted or influenced by any other being. I was able to merge with any being that attempted to influence me in any way if I chose to do so. Merging with another makes us both one and in each merging I became more of ME. At the Source level I am merged with ALL and it is still ME. I would think that would be how everyone feels but I'm certainly not going to proclaim that I know everything for everyone and sure as hell don't want to be anyone's guru or teacher in this particular body and life. LOL

    Seven years of constant out of body travel was enough for me. I decided to live out my life without deliberately leaving my body or merging with Source. I knew I would resume the fun and bliss when I die. Since I am now 66 I'm getting a bit excited that I'm getting closer to death!

    It was very difficult to NOT leave my body and quite a few times I would spontaneously leave and have some fun. But staying in my body allowed me to develop some fun abilities while "awake". I could see UFO's, demons, ghosts, ET's....all kinds of interesting things. I also had occasions of hearing animals, plants and the earth itself talk. When I traveled to places like Peru, Sedona, New Mexico, Mexico, Columbia, Brazil and a several other places there were apparently "portals" where I fell through to another dimension/time...and then came back. It was usually at some high vibrational place like Anasazi, Mayan or Incan ruins. These dimensions were different than the astral and higher vibrational dimensions I experienced out of body.

    I also had a year of intense and constant kundalini burning, which was hellaciously
    uncomfortable.....but fun! At times I thought I would burn up in a spontaneous human combustion way. I wonder if spontaneous human combustion is caused by someone's kundalini burning out of control all of a sudden?

    SO... The light..... I figure it can be awesome, blissful, scary, a trap, a lesson, a tool of manipulation, LOVE, in fact LIGHT is everything. Light is energy. Light is love. Light is Source and creates the Creation. If one chooses to fear, one will learn the wonderful lessons that fear has for us. It is pushing us towards love because it feels so crappy and scary that we want desperately to escape the fear. Whether or not aliens, demonic beings or self appointed gods etc. use fear or varying degrees of light to attract or trap a soul is really immaterial. We can always extricate ourselves at any time that we embrace our creative powers and our existence as a fully empowered and sovereign being of Love.

    I think the Creation is perfect as it is. It contains the exact right games and lessons for us to have fun and then to return to being aware that we are always Source. The pain and suffering we think should be eradicated are actually a perfect part of the entire mechanism of Source, Creation, and returning to awareness of being Source.
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    Quote Posted by NancyV (here)
    I think the Creation is perfect as it is. It contains the exact right games and lessons for us to have fun and then to return to being aware that we are always Source. The pain and suffering we think should be eradicated are actually a perfect part of the entire mechanism of Source, Creation, and returning to awareness of being Source.
    My gut feeling is in agreement. Creation is perfect as it is. I'd love to have OBE's, explore and verify, but some part of me will not let me out, or remember being out.

    Maybe I need to be more loving to make OBE's happen. In a recent dream, as a UFO was overhead, some part of me (that is unfamiliar to my conscious mind) said to the occupants "If you kill me or hurt me, when I am more powerful, I will hunt you down." Just an example that surprised me.
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    Thanks NancyV

    This is one of the most valueable and encouraging posts I have seen here on Avalon-you pretty much summed it. Thanks a lot.

    Quote Trap may be the wrong word to use since we generally have a negative connotation of the concept of a trap. It could instead be described as a natural mechanism that allows souls to be where they belong, where their vibratory level resonates with, and to move on once they gain full sovereignty, which they always have access to at any time they decide to become totally sovereign.
    Quote I also had a year of intense and constant kundalini burning, which was hellaciously
    uncomfortable.....but fun! At times I thought I would burn up in a spontaneous human combustion way. I wonder if spontaneous human combustion is caused by someone's kundalini burning out of control all of a sudden?
    I guy contacted me via mail and he wanted to help on my little farm and we talked and he had a profound kundalini experience. Way too much energy and at one point he said, I had the choice to go through the door that he was all light. Light-fire. During this enlightenment episode, he was truly connected with source and acted the best way how it suited to him-or whatever was left ;-)

    Quote SO... The light..... I figure it can be awesome, blissful, scary, a trap, a lesson, a tool of manipulation, LOVE, in fact LIGHT is everything. Light is energy. Light is love. Light is Source and creates the Creation. If one chooses to fear, one will learn the wonderful lessons that fear has for us
    I think as such, you are always able to choose in what direction you wanna go.
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