Is the white light after we die a trap?

[Flash]

Posted by we-R-one (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
[Mod hat on]

@ we-R-one:

Welcome back to the forum! But after an absence of over 6 months, you've now posted 24 times in three and a half days on this one thread:

• 4 March: 6 posts
• 5 March: 5 posts
• 6 March (yesterday): 7 posts
• 7 March (today): 6 posts so far before lunch... with every reason to believe you're drafting another right now, with another half dozen planned. Or maybe a dozen!

You're starting to grab and hold onto the microphone, pretty much taking over the energy of the thread that had every initial indicator of being an interesting, balanced discussion of an important topic that's rarely discussed.

Balance, okay? This is not just about your own ideas.

Dear Bill,
I didn't know we had a posting limit on the forum. The forum is for discussing is it not? Many of my posts were answering other members questions. Some didn't bother to read what I wrote the first time I answered and had to re-ask the same question. To try and make it like I'm controlling the mic makes no sense. Am I suppose to ignore their remarks and questions? I never stopped anyone from coming on here to discuss their ideas and to imply otherwise is...can we say is "tilting at windmills". I think I bring a knowledge base to the forum that is helpful to many which is no different than anyone else. There are plenty of people on here that over-take threads far more than I do. I have no intention of being anyone's teacher and I was very clear about the 'create your own reality' concept which puts each of us in the drivers seat. Apparently many were interested as this thread has appeared to climb in viewing numbers. There was no 'witch hunting' in my efforts. I actually said Simon was right if that's what he believes. I won't bothering answering anyone else's comments as I don't want to be penalized for participating in a 'discussion forum" that clearly isn't meant to be for all. Please unsubscribe me as I no longer wish to be a member.

You have guts. Even if you unsubscribe, i will write this: you are pushing down our throat your beliefs, and your belief system, and telling us we do not understand a thing, while we have been reading/listening to Braden forever and also to many other sources, a good 20 + years than you.

Then you keep pushing and pushing rehashing things you already told. If we, well I did, address you directly and take your posts and decompose them, showing some false reasoning at times (not all, but some) you just ignore it, no answer whatsoever and keep rehashing the same..

A discussion exist when all are in it, not when it is only one answering to all others with the same circling arguments all over again.

Should, would, could, should have listened to the video, and "written" sighs of yours showing in writing your impatience for us, the unworthy crows who cannot understand, as you wrote albeit in other words, those are all based on judgments of others.

The perfect art of bringing negativity while trying to look as an angel

you may mention the better higher truths at time, but they just do not seem to be digested throughout your being.

You did judgment of others, you get judgment. You created your own reality, you are aware of this right?

Bill's post has nothing to do with not allowing participation. It has to do with wanting to be the center of attention at any price Under the guise of discussion.

You were rather trying to create other's reality by driving every seat for those not in accordance with the field, in your views.

My opinion and I may be wrong, but yet, my opinion.

Ps: spiritual ego does exist too.

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This passion of yours could be turned around for the good, you would make an excellent awakener. But for this, revision of your ego and your true intentions, the inner unsuspected ones, "shoud" lol, be undertaken.

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And when it is not your way, you quit? well, humility and self analysis is not your forte it seems, it is the others that are wrong, right?

[Sunny-side-up]

This all started so far back now!
I think we have all learned (Learning) a great deal from this subject, it has been very worthwhile indeed!

post1370
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post764109

It is a deep subject and has raised much emotional energies!

we-R-one I have always had great respect of you as an Avalonian,
so don't leave, stay where our energies and spirit unit and make rapid waterfalls flow back up the mountain!

Love,Peace and Hugs
Alan

[STR]

First of all I've left my body so many times now I've lost track of a count. It started when I was young. I can remember the light and in my experience its immediate, you are in the tunnel its over you are through and no choice. No thought, it happens plain and simpe you have "NO" choice in this matter! That is my experience. No choice there. My best friend Gregor took me to a crystal city. Great place. Crystal everywhere, water inviting. I didn't get in tho. Lots of people, some I knew, some not. Happy. Lots of happiness there. I wanted to stay. Was not allowed to remember much more. Some visit with my grandmother on my mother's side. That was it but more came out later. On the return we went to another stop. I got the impression it was lower, deeper maybe. Whatever the vibe here was more dense. Physical almost. I saw some other guys I knew that were there but we stayed only brief and I was back in my house hovering at the table in the room I'm in now. I remember it well. Greg said I had to stay now, he'd see me later. At another time in another now he did that. I awoke went to the bath and cried. It was tremendous. Nothing sinister, nothing evil. Nothing trapped or suspicious, no greys, no moon, no base nothing like anything like or similar to that. I remembered some I was told were back. Some not, some not on earth but doing something else. It was all very voluntary and I saw no evidence of anything but love, joy, happy entities of all the life around me and honestly when I read the fear mongering it almost makes me cry too at times. The idea you can avoid the light to me is laughable. I've been out through it twice and both times you're in it man. No time for reaction.

[Dennis Leahy]

I had projects today, and was not on the computer much. Now I see We-R One has returned to posting on the forum (Yay!), and now I see a request to unsub (Yikes! Boo!)

Can I PLEASE play King Soloman for a minute, and ask We-R-One to stay, and do NOT change your content, but recognize that you're pissing off a few people with your style. I find you to be brilliant, passionate, and well-researched. I don't agree with everything you write, and you and I are both OK with that, right? So, the line from Cool Hand Luke, some sort of a failure to communicate...but I'm convinced it is just a matter of style.

Simon seems like a good guy to me. That doesn't necessarily mean I think he's right about everything. I have only had one OBE/NDE that I can remember, and the ending of the event was fighting NOT to go into the white light (this was 40 years ago, and I had no idea what it was, but knew I was simply being vacuumed in to it - loss of control - so I fought (and snapped back into my body.) I don't think I had any option other than fighting to get back into my body. The only other path was through the white light. (From my EXPERIENCE.)

Having read and re-read Dr. Michael Newton's books, and noting that after over 7000 subjects in deep hypnosis never mentioned NOT going into the light, ALL mentioned that they remembered EVERYTHING when in spirit, ALL mentioned that they were aware that upon reincarnation they would have amnesia - and understood that was the only way to face the "test" of Earth 3D life - and ALL agreed to reincarnate under those conditions.

So, I find this particular tidbit from Simon more than troubling, don't think he's lying (I detect complete sincerity), but may have been given faulty info.

Why I'm writing this here and now is modeling that one can disagree (strongly), profess ones knowledge and beliefs, and not really piss anyone off. I will be pissed off if We-R-One does not reconsider.

Dennis

[thunder24]

Posted by Flash (here)
You have guts. Even if you unsubscribe, i will write this: you are pushing down our throat your beliefs, and your belief system, and telling us we do not understand a thing, while we have been reading/listening to Braden forever and also to many other sources, a good 20 + years than you.

who is WE? you'v been around forever? oh do tell....

20 years ago I was wearing lipstick and shoe polish on my face as a freshman initiation into high school...

The perfect art of bringing negativity while trying to look as an angel

you may mention the better higher truths at time, but they just do not seem to be digested throughout your being.

You did judgment of others, you get judgment. You created your own reality, you are aware of this right?

condescending much? patronizing much? And by judging back you continue the never ending wheel?

My opinion and I may be wrong, but yet, my opinion.

Ps: spiritual ego does exist too.

yup

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This passion of yours could be turned around for the good, you would make an excellent awakener. But for this, revision of your ego and your true intentions, the inner unsuspected ones, "shoud" lol, be undertaken.

judging again?
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And when it is not your way, you quit? well, humility and self analysis is not your forte it seems, it is the others that are wrong, right?

condescending?

[Flash]

Posted by thunder24 (here)

Posted by Flash (here)
You have guts. Even if you unsubscribe, i will write this: you are pushing down our throat your beliefs, and your belief system, and telling us we do not understand a thing, while we have been reading/listening to Braden forever and also to many other sources, a good 20 + years than you.

who is WE? you'v been around forever? oh do tell....

20 years ago I was wearing lipstick and shoe polish on my face as a freshman initiation into high school...

The perfect art of bringing negativity while trying to look as an angel

you may mention the better higher truths at time, but they just do not seem to be digested throughout your being.

You did judgment of others, you get judgment. You created your own reality, you are aware of this right?

condescending much? patronizing much? And by judging back you continue the never ending wheel?

My opinion and I may be wrong, but yet, my opinion.

Ps: spiritual ego does exist too.

yup

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This passion of yours could be turned around for the good, you would make an excellent awakener. But for this, revision of your ego and your true intentions, the inner unsuspected ones, "shoud" lol, be undertaken.

judging again?
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And when it is not your way, you quit? well, humility and self analysis is not your forte it seems, it is the others that are wrong, right?

condescending?

of course, all of the above Thunder, i am giving back her own pill to her. And I know, it is not nice, but it is not the time to be tender either.

Yes, much more time than you on this planet. And we are quite a few.

Will she have the guts to confront herself??

[thunder24]

Posted by Flash (here)

of course, all of the above Thunder, i am giving back her own pill to her. And I know, it is not nice, but it is not the time to be tender either.

Yes, much more time than you on this planet. And we are quite a few

and this is supposed to help how? so your as bad as she is, in ur own view....

[gripreaper]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
Can I PLEASE play King Soloman for a minute, and ask We-R-One to stay, and do NOT change your content, but recognize that you're pissing off a few people with your style. I find you to be brilliant, passionate, and well-researched. I don't agree with everything you write, and you and I are both OK with that, right? So, the line from Cool Hand Luke, some sort of a failure to communicate...but I'm convinced it is just a matter of style.
Dennis

And we-R-one sent over her opening post to me for editing as she realizes her "style" rubs some people the wrong way. I don't find her discourse to be abrasive, although she is quite passionate about her viewpoint, which is well supported by research. When the energy shifts and it becomes about the messenger instead of the message, I find that disconcerting.

My only contribution to this thread here got very little attention, although it basically says the same thing in a different way.

If we are ever to move away from a polarized patriarchal bias, thus finding the center path, we need the strong feminine. Let's not marginalize those women such as blufire and we-R-one who are strong and passionate, whose delivery rubs us the wrong way. The things which rub us are the things we need to look at.

Anyone care to start a thread on what the strong divine feminine looks like and how the feminine can lead us out of thousands of years of polarized patriarchy? Anyone care to administer grace until we figure this out?

[Synchronicity]

Well, gripreaper, that other post you linked to was a great one and I missed it before. What you said the man you referred to (forgot the name) said about his clients is what I have heard as well, except not all went into a light...but that isn't a big deal to me since I just see where they go as what their frame of reference may be or what means a lot to them. Not saying he's wrong...just saying what I've heard while working with people. Otherwise it follows what I have experienced despite being expressed a bit differently than I would. Very interesting post!

[bruno dante]

I like Dennis' post. I felt lighter after reading it...the result, I think, of sanity entering the building.

I'm by no means anti-Simon, but how can one not question some of his information when even he admits he's been terribly manipulated at times...

Don't go to the light??? Because it's alien sleight of hand??? Excuse me while I let out an enormous GROAN. Next we'll be questioning whether breathing is truly biologically necessary or just an illuminatti ruse.

Please, stop. Just stop.

Guys, there is OVERWHELMING evidence that "going to the light" is a lovely and wonderful experience. There are literally thousands of anecdotal testimonials to confirm this. Over two thirds of all NDE's report an indescribably bright white light, accompanied by an equally indescribable pure love. The experience is overwhelmingly positive and even life changing. Intelligent, well meaning people have written literally dozens of books on the topic. Think about it.

If you are really that determined to be paranoid or fearful, simply look out your window. Or go to yahoo news. There's a loaded list to choose from.

I believe in the fantastical, trust me, but once we start corrupting common sense with fear-based fairy tales, a certain brand of insanity sets in. I'm afraid it's happening right here, right now.

[Gardener]

Golden rule number one.

Grip -->The things which rub us are the things we need to look at.

It means there is a 'complex' in the UNCONSCIOUS. Which is UNCONSCIOUS. Sooooo we don't know its there.

Mirrors are good, as long as the mirror doesn't have an unconscious complex, otherwise its a projection or transference.

Great post Grip (both of them)

[Jake]

Posted by bruno dante (here)
I like Dennis' post. I felt lighter after reading it...the result, I think, of sanity entering the building.

I'm by no means anti-Simon, but how can one not question some of his information when even he admits he's been terribly manipulated at times...

Don't go to the light??? Because it's alien sleight of hand??? Excuse me while I let out an enormous GROAN. Next we'll be questioning whether breathing is truly biologically necessary or just an illuminatti ruse.

Please, stop. Just stop.

Guys, there is OVERWHELMING evidence that "going to the light" is a lovely and wonderful experience. There are literally thousands of anecdotal testimonials to confirm this. Over two thirds of all NDE's report an indescribably bright white light, accompanied by an equally indescribable pure love. The experience is overwhelmingly positive and even life changing. Intelligent, well meaning people have written literally dozens of books on the topic. Think about it.

If you are really that determined to be paranoid or fearful, simply look out your window. Or go to yahoo news. There's a loaded list to choose from.

I believe in the fantastical, trust me, but once we start corrupting common sense with fear-based fairy tales, a certain brand of insanity sets in. I'm afraid it's happening right here, right now.

Hello BrunoDante. You definitely make some clear and valid points. If I may,, Of course we should question the information that Simon brings to the table. We should question ALL information that comes to us. I, personally,, have absolutely NO problem with the testimony of NDExperiencers... The White Light is experiential, meaning that once we pass the veil between physical and non physical,,, 'white' and 'light' become subjective to the experiencer. We simply do not have the words to describe what is being experienced, so,, the 'white light' is how it is described.

In my opinion, there is the true experience of a blissful white light (as described by countless NDEs),,, There is also a great many deception being commanded, and the archetypal way that we think can, and is being manipulated by those who have mastery over the Astral,, and the 'white light' may become the focus of deception,, I am willing to consider it,,, as I have been keenly aware of manipulation in my personal life,, especially regarding Astral experiences and the inability to describe what is truly being experienced,,,

On a side note... A true experience with allthatis would be seamless,,, meaning that there wouldn't be a moment to sit back and ask myself if I should continue forward, as it would be completely natural. If I DID find myself questioning it,,, I would NOT continue. Unless I am mistaken,, this was the point that Simon was trying to make.. You must, of course, always trust your instinct.

Jake.

[Atlas]

Death of the holy bishop Salvius Sept 10, 584, History of the Franks by Gregory of Tours (539-594), translated by Ernest Brehaut, Ph.D. [Records of Civilization: Sources and Studies] (New York: Columbia University Press. 1916):
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"Four days ago when my cell quivered and you saw me lifeless, I was seized by two angels and carried up to the high heavens, so that I thought I had under my feet not only this filthy world but the sun also, and the moon, the clouds and the stars.

Then I was taken through a door brighter than this light into that dwelling in which all the pavement was like shining gold and silver, a brightness and spaciousness beyond description, and such a multitude of both sexes was there that the length and breadth of the throng could not be seen.

A way was made for me through the press by the angels who guided me, and we came to a place which I had already seen from a distance; a cloud hung over it brighter than any light, in which no sun or moon or star could be seen, but excelling all these it gleamed more brightly than the light of nature, and a voice came out of the cloud like a voice of many waters.

Then I, a sinner, was humbly greeted by men in it, priestly and worldly dress who, my guides told me, were martyrs and confessors whom we worship here with the greatest reverence. I stood where I was bidden and a very sweet odor enveloped me so that I was refreshed by this sweetness and up to the present I have wanted no food or drink.

And I heard a voice saying: 'Let him return to the world since he is necessary to our churches.' It was only the voice that was heard, for it could not be seen who spoke. And I threw myself on the pavement and said with loud weeping: 'Alas, Alas, Lord, why didst Thou show me this if I was to be deprived of it. Behold today Thou wilt cast me out from Thy face to return to the sinful world and never be able to return here again. I beseech Thee, Lord, not to take Thy mercy from me but permit me to stay here and not fall thither and perish.'

And the voice which spoke to me said: 'Go in peace, for I am your keeper until I bring you back to this place.' Then I was left alone by my companions and departed weeping by the gate by which I entered and returned here."

[Wind]

Posted by bruno dante (here)
I believe in the fantastical, trust me, but once we start corrupting common sense with fear-based fairy tales, a certain brand of insanity sets in. I'm afraid it's happening right here, right now.

Yes, sometimes the conspiracies just go too far and we get deluded (I'm not suggesting that Simon is doing it intentionally, he has just his own beliefs), even to the point where we will start to question our sanity, even if we are already a bit "nuts", at least compared to the rest of the world... We just sometimes forget to snap out of the "fear trap"!

I don't feel like pushing my beliefs or knowingness to anyone, but it does make me sad to see that there are many wise people even in here who think that there is a conspiracy behind the one thing where there isn't. Of course it really doesn't matter when we die, because then we will remember, laugh and shrug off all of our silly earthly delusions and fears... But why wait for death when you can do it now? It's just a matter of choice... Between love and fear.

People really think that God and all of the multiple divine light beings/angels would let some aliens rule even our souls? Or that our experiences are fake on the other side? Puh-lease! This life of ours is a divine creation here on Earth and we are part of it, we are co-creators, not victims! On the astral level this human life seems like a surreal dream and that resting place/heaven feels way more real, because this world really is just an illusion, but it feels very real. Some of those light beings and angels have even chosen to once again reincarnate to these flesh suits, because humans have been in such a peril. Someone needs to tend this kindergarten because it was about to blow up it there still is a risk for it. Some of the discarnate entities here on Earth are actually beings or person who were afraid to go the light, because they might have been afraid of some kind of an punishment or perhaps they didn't even notice that they died and then they just thought to stick around here bothering us!

That's why there are people who are guiding them back to the light and it's a really good thing for both them and us! If we wouldn't suffer, we wouldn't know the meaning of joy and ease. The rules are quite simple, we agree to forget everything before we are born, but some of us have had so many lives that we are able to remember most of the things from our past experiences, but not everything because most of it is trivial. Also we all have been saints and sinners, men and women. Dogs and ponies, trees, the grass and the wind... You name it. That's the way it just is.

Even though "normal" humans are still pretty much in slumber (maybe because they're much younger souls), the veil of forgetfulness is getting more transparent every day and more and more people are awakening. The cosmic clock is ticking!

It may sound naive, but love truly is all that matters. Not conditional love, anyone can do that, but unconditional love. Just let everything else go and know in your heart that in the end love always wins, always. Even in death.

[Synchronicity]

Jake, actually, that light really does look like a light and I would think that's why it's described that way. Sometimes it's not blinding white, but what I have seen with others has not just been described as a light, but has been one. Now that isn't the whole of the experience, but there often (not always) is a light. Whether that comes from the human reference of light being good and therefore it is provided I can't say, but it usually looks like a brighter area, a portal, a doorway, a beautiful brightly lit area, a bright sunshine meadow, sun rippling on the water...something like that. Yes, there is profound joy once the person is ready and goes, but when light is involved it's really light. I'm not saying others don't experience something else...just what I've seen. And I agree once a person is ready to go I have never seen anyone seem to worry about being tricked, but instead goes joyfully.

[bruno dante]

Posted by Jake (here)

Posted by bruno dante (here)
I like Dennis' post. I felt lighter after reading it...the result, I think, of sanity entering the building.

I'm by no means anti-Simon, but how can one not question some of his information when even he admits he's been terribly manipulated at times...

Don't go to the light??? Because it's alien sleight of hand??? Excuse me while I let out an enormous GROAN. Next we'll be questioning whether breathing is truly biologically necessary or just an illuminatti ruse.

Please, stop. Just stop.

Guys, there is OVERWHELMING evidence that "going to the light" is a lovely and wonderful experience. There are literally thousands of anecdotal testimonials to confirm this. Over two thirds of all NDE's report an indescribably bright white light, accompanied by an equally indescribable pure love. The experience is overwhelmingly positive and even life changing. Intelligent, well meaning people have written literally dozens of books on the topic. Think about it.

If you are really that determined to be paranoid or fearful, simply look out your window. Or go to yahoo news. There's a loaded list to choose from.

I believe in the fantastical, trust me, but once we start corrupting common sense with fear-based fairy tales, a certain brand of insanity sets in. I'm afraid it's happening right here, right now.

Hello BrunoDante. You definitely make some clear and valid points. If I may,, Of course we should question the information that Simon brings to the table. We should question ALL information that comes to us. I, personally,, have absolutely NO problem with the testimony of NDExperiencers... The White Light is experiential, meaning that once we pass the veil between physical and non physical,,, 'white' and 'light' become subjective to the experiencer. We simply do not have the words to describe what is being experienced, so,, the 'white light' is how it is described.

In my opinion, there is the true experience of a blissful white light (as described by countless NDEs),,, There is also a great many deception being commanded, and the archetypal way that we think can, and is being manipulated by those who have mastery over the Astral,, and the 'white light' may become the focus of deception,, I am willing to consider it,,, as I have been keenly aware of manipulation in my personal life,, especially regarding Astral experiences and the inability to describe what is truly being experienced,,,

On a side note... A true experience with allthatis would be seamless,,, meaning that there wouldn't be a moment to sit back and ask myself if I should continue forward, as it would be completely natural. If I DID find myself questioning it,,, I would NOT continue. Unless I am mistaken,, this was the point that Simon was trying to make.. You must, of course, always trust your instinct.

Jake.

Hi Jake, Listen, I hear you brother...

I'm willing to at least consider most anything too; my presence here on Avalon should at least be confirmation of that.

But when confronted with the profound wealth of evidence regarding the "light", I think we can safely assume what happens in most cases after death...and I stress "most cases" , as there will of course be the anomalous event or two.

And when confronted with this evidence, I have to ask myself, after weighing it against my curiosity of Simon's statement, whether a thread like this is really constructive after all things are considered. My personal opinion is that it perpetuates fear and paranoia more than anything else. Sometimes the truth does the same, but considering everything I've researched concerning this topic, I can't, with reason, regard this anti-light sermonizing as anything less than fear mongering. I don't think it's done on purpose, mind you. But it's more harmful than helpful, in this poster's opinion.

This spiritual amnesia is necessary anyhow, isn't it? If you know all the answers, a 3d life is pretty meaningless, right? There's no real room for growth, spiritual maturation etc..

Of course I'm not an authority here. I don't know what happens with 100% certainty. My belief is a choice, and I choose to believe this way for 2 reasons. Number one is the enormous evidence, and number 2 is my feeling that God/Universe is a benevolent creator, as Wind explained so eloquently, and I have to believe He/She/It wouldn't allow a soul, our essence, to dangle so helplessly for a predatory alien race to take advantage of. I know there is some sort of astral tampering, some other dimensional mischief going on, but I simply can't accept that our creator would allow it to such an extent that our very souls become bait in some kind of sick alien game. Truthfully, I have to believe that, as to believe otherwise might cause an existential crisis. I think a man without some sort of notion of a benevolent God is a man who is flailing in the spiritual wind, so to speak. In other words, why even carry on if every step in the evolution of my spirit involves some sort of weird alien challenge? I'm not even interested in participating in that type of game. It reduces God and existence to an MTV reality show: keep passing endless malevolent alien challenges and you win Nirvana! Hooray!

Sorry man, I just can't accept that. I find it impossible to believe that a compassionate, brilliant God would arrange things that way. It seems so backwards.

My 2 cents, with respect.

[heretogrow]

I really think what would sadden Simon the most would be the division and the need to divide camps into those who wish to protect him and those who do not believe. From what I have seen of Simon he stands on his own integrity and he is a big boy. I am sure his skin has grown thick and he can handle those who question and raise eyebrows. Still he trudges on to risk the ridicule and speak of his experiences, answer questions, take the criticism and skeptics with no animosity, strive for the highest good. In my own opinion what I think would upset him would be us not respecting all of the opinions on Avalon, whether in favor or not. He seems to be teaching us that we are all at different stages and tolerance, empathy and acceptance of others beliefs are of upmost importance. To me I see him as a gentle man. I find his postings thought provoking and enthralling, and yes like a groupie of some great band I have at times melted in response to what he has presented. I have also considered how truly brave he must be, or how truly able to stand alone it must be to stand in a crowd of skeptics and be the first to present information such as this as the normal afternoon conversation. He has a purpose and I believe with my heart he knows that. I doubt if it troubles him much that some may not see things the way he does. Just my humble opinion so please forgive me if I have spoken out of context or seemed to step on anyone's toes! No harm intended to anyone! Just food for thought!

[Shezbeth]

In having thoroughly processed the Bardo Thodol, the following thoughts come to mind in regard to the 'White Light', 'Trap', 'Implants', etc.

If the Thodol is to be taken as authoritative, then the process it describes is a meticulous process designed to liberate the soul unless (for a multitude of reasons) the soul is inadequate to experience liberation. I.e. free to continue unless proven otherwise, as opposed to enslaved unless proven otherwise.

Instead of sinister ET forces waiting to jump on an unsuspecting victim, the process seems much more streamlined and balanced, where the soul in question has ample opportunity to escape through a variety of perceptions and referendums. The nefarious hunter/trappers are (in my mind) replaced by a sharp butler waiting to see if the soul continues on, and if not, note why. Something like:
"Did the soul pass on? _Yes _No - If No, list reasons/unresolved conflicts ___________________________".

It would seem that for a soul that is adequately prepared, the process of passing on/liberation is something of a given, and that only the insufficiently prepared soul is even eligable for memory-wipe/reincarnation shenanigens (and that after exhaustively trying every thought-form which might disqualify).

I am not saying that the Thodol is authoritative, nor that my conclusions are accurate, but it's description of death seems far less onerous than elsewhere depicted/discussed.
Simply put, the following thoughts come to mind surrounding the 'white light', voiced from the position of that sharp butler I mentioned earlier.

"It is not a trap and was never designed to be a trap. The only reason it seems a trap now is due to the overwhelming majority of negligent humans unable/unwilling to evolve themselves. The 'trap' was 'intended' to be something of a recycling bin for the random, stray soul that wouldn't make it. Imagine an almost continuous stream of souls passing along in demise, with an occasional exception rerouting for another life; It's backwards the way things are now. If more people spent a little more time on themselves with the time they are given it would not look like a trap, it would look like a mail chute. That's what its SUPPOSED to look like except that would require personal responsibility; Who wants to do that? I mean, why WOULD someone want to continue on in their evolution/existence, when they can just sign themselves up for another round of low density strife, adversity, and perdition?!

And not a word of gratitude either! Do any of those have ANY idea what would happen to an incomplete soul that was allowed to slip through? Oh, but none of that now. Humans are far too busy pointing the finger, playing the victim, and worrying what is around the corner to recognize their own inadequate participation in the equation.

But that's why most end up as food I guess,...."

At least, that's how I envision it in my head. I don't wholly agree with the disposition I express, but neither do I disagree with it. Personally, I remain unconvicted as to what will/does happen in physical death. Perhaps there is a light, perhaps not. Perhaps that light is a trap, perhaps not. Regardless, everyone will have a chance to try their particular 'flavor' of response to death events.

And, guess what? By all indications, the 'consequence' of 'not' choosing the 'right' light is another chance! Oh, sure one may have to suffer through another experience of existence, but that's what happens when one sleeps too much in class.

All those who illustrate that the light is nefarious, you have my appreciation. Whether it is a malicious trap remains to be seen, and I appreciate the heads up that it might be. All those who illustrate that the light is magnanimous, you have my appreciation. Whether it is a natural blessing remains to be seen, and I appreciate the heads up that it might be.

And to anyone looking to make up another's mind for them,... I have some four letter words for ya. ^_~

[bruno dante]

Posted by heretogrow (here)
I really think what would sadden Simon the most would be the division and the need to divide camps into those who wish to protect him and those who do not believe. From what I have seen of Simon he stands on his own integrity and he is a big boy. I am sure his skin has grown thick and he can handle those who question and raise eyebrows. Still he trudges on to risk the ridicule and speak of his experiences, answer questions, take the criticism and skeptics with no animosity, strive for the highest good. In my own opinion what I think would upset him would be us not respecting all of the opinions on Avalon, whether in favor or not. He seems to be teaching us that we are all at different stages and tolerance, empathy and acceptance of others beliefs are of upmost importance. To me I see him as a gentle man. I find his postings thought provoking and enthralling, and yes like a groupie of some great band I have at times melted in response to what he has presented. I have also considered how truly brave he must be, or how truly able to stand alone it must be to stand in a crowd of skeptics and be the first to present information such as this as the normal afternoon conversation. He has a purpose and I believe with my heart he knows that. I doubt if it troubles him much that some may not see things the way he does. Just my humble opinion so please forgive me if I have spoken out of context or seemed to step on anyone's toes! No harm intended to anyone! Just food for thought!

Nice post Heretogrow!

I just want to say, for the record, that I've no wish to ridicule or denigrate Simon. Obviously I can't prove that the things he says are true, but my intuition tells me he is a good man. I do reserve the right to question him from time to time. As he's said, he questions himself sometimes. It's the mark of a humble and intelligent man. I appreciate that about him.

Cheers!

[greybeard]

The near death experiences that I have read or listened to have pointed out a life review where they felt as though they were literally the other.
When they returned to Earth most had full memory of their life from childhood on.
They said that over there is real and here an illusion by comparison.
That there is no difference between Source and us.
Dannion Brinkley is very clear that the light/being that meets you is actually yourself.
Basically those who have come back and shared their experience were profoundly changed and all fear of death had gone.

Im glad that quite a few are now giving a balanced opinion of going into or not going into the light.
The thread was not started by Simon, most responses were in answer to the OP request.

I think Dennis made a very institutive (hope that;s right word) post which I agree with

Chris

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vvmABrII35c

Published on 23 Oct 2013

Anita Moorjani talks with Hay House Event Director Nancy Levin about her near-death experience (NDE) and how it has transformed her—including her complete healing from end-stage cancer in the weeks following her NDE. In this hour-long conversation, Anita describes her experience on the Other Side, her return to this life, and her healing. She shares the truths she discovered about illness, healing, death, those who have passed on, the purpose of life, and who we truly are. Learn why there's nothing to forgive and why allowing love—unconditional self-love—is the key to moving forward into becoming who you were meant to be. Anita leads a guided meditation to access the very essence of your being and provides simple exercises to understand the nature of awareness and to begin living in the joy and magnificence that is your birthright (Hay House World Summit 2013).
See also "Unconditional Love - Wayne Dyer meets Anita Moorjani" here: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RYx0gp...
And: "Anita Moorjani On Her Near-Death Experience" here: https://youtube.com/watch?v=h9c87

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OoZLovQrEAY