Is the white light after we die a trap?

[greybeard]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Now that someone has changed the name of this thread, do I need to delete my post no 17?... because it refers directly to Simon Parkes and I do not want it to be seen as if I am singling him out in a general discussion.

Can one of the admin guys or gals please delete that post

Thanks
Ray

Hi Ray
I deleted my reference to the person in several posts.
You can do that yourself.
In many ways the thread was never about a person but about what was said--re opening post.

Love chris

[Finefeather]

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Now that someone has changed the name of this thread, do I need to delete my post no 17?... because it refers directly to Simon Parkes and I do not want it to be seen as if I am singling him out in a general discussion.

Can one of the admin guys or gals please delete that post

Thanks
Ray

Hi Ray
I deleted my reference to the person in several posts.
You can do that yourself.
In many ways the thread was never about a person but about what was said--re opening post.

Love chris

Thanks Chris I'll do that.
Take care
Ray

[NancyV]

Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)

Posted by NancyV (here)
I think the Creation is perfect as it is. It contains the exact right games and lessons for us to have fun and then to return to being aware that we are always Source. The pain and suffering we think should be eradicated are actually a perfect part of the entire mechanism of Source, Creation, and returning to awareness of being Source.

My gut feeling is in agreement. Creation is perfect as it is. I'd love to have OBE's, explore and verify, but some part of me will not let me out, or remember being out.

Maybe I need to be more loving to make OBE's happen. In a recent dream, as a UFO was overhead, some part of me (that is unfamiliar to my conscious mind) said to the occupants "If you kill me or hurt me, when I am more powerful, I will hunt you down." Just an example that surprised me.

I don't think you need to be more "loving" to make OBE's happen, Ron. If that was a requirement I never would have made it since I can be a really nasty bitch and would never give up that ability. LOL...Using threats to a being who understands threats is a convenient and effective tool. You should hear me cussing at certain entities! Speaking in a language and using an energy that beings understand is not unloving. Basically I don't consider anyone or any behavior to not be part of the love (ultimately) but I will fight what I perceive to be evil or threatening in the most effective way that will defeat them, depending on what vibrational dimension I'm aware of being in. Killing really doesn't kill, it just removes them to another place, in my opinion of course.

I don't know why some people can more easily leave their bodies and others can't or don't. It is probably a choice or belief. I know it took me totally dedicated and focused commitment to a meditation method, and I think any method that one concentrates on could work if it is right for you. Please don't give up your macho ways! I very much appreciate strong men and even if they are at times very nasty it doesn't make them unloving. You are perfect as you are.

[NancyV]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
post removed.

Hi Ray!

In response to your removed post I'd like to ask you if you can describe Source....what it is, where it is, where we go when we merge with Source. I sure can't describe it! It seems to me that we always ARE Source but our human minds are not capable of feeling it so we feel we are separated. "Traveling to Source" just feels to me like increasing my vibrational frequency to a faster and faster or higher vibration until I merge with all that is or become aware that I AM all that is. At that point nothing really matters and there is no one who needs any explanations or definitions. It's difficult to put things into words that satisfy our curiosity about these experiences. I use the word Source or God but I prefer Source since there seem to be many separated beings who like to play at being a lesser god.

Hearing some of your experiences over the last year or two gives me the impression that you know exactly what I'm talking about. You may put it in your own words and I may put it in mine but I am certain we both know Source very well. I'm not sure why you deleted your post and it may be rude of me to address it (but I guess I don't mind being rude!). LOL...I love you Ray and I know that you are an angel who helps so many souls. You are much more of an angel than I am but I do so love being who I am and you being who you are!

[Finefeather]

We are all free...from the day we were born, we were free...we will always be free...we just need to realise it...and there is actually no work to be done...just realisation.

When we think we are trapped and been manipulated...we will be trapped and manipulated...

Then I hear those who say "but just look around and see how we are trapped and manipulated"...and I hear those who have trapped and manipulated themselves.

Realisation comes from knowledge of life...manipulation comes from ignorance of life.

Ignorance is a word we all want to run away from...we want to hide so no one can see the ignorance in us...we do not like been called ignorant...how many of us can admit to being ignorant?

Ignorance is not a bad word...something we should be embarrassed about...we are all ignorant, and all it is, is the lack of the information, or knowledge, which is required in our consciousness to enable us to realise the reality we find ourselves in...so...in ignorance, we end up with a distorted sense of reality...an incomplete sense of reality...because we do not have all the knowledge.

This leads us to the realisation of a self created limited reality...and we end up with the old saying...”we all create our own reality”. So, because we are ignorant, we come to the conclusion that we are trapped and manipulated...because we have no idea what the real reality is all about.

The entire goal and plan of anyone who wishes to maintain power, and thus control over another is to keep a person ignorant...
This perceived ignorance, by the 'controlled', is what keeps the 'controlled' searching for something...but what do they go out and search for?

They search for that something which the 'controller' has...because in their ignorant state, it is this knowledge which they seek...because it is this knowledge which they think is needed to set them free...the knowledge of the 'controller'.

So, we think that by knowing what the 'controller' knows we will no longer be controlled and manipulated.

But here lies the biggest secret: All that the 'controllers' really know, is how to keep their idea of knowledge from us...they have no idea what the real knowledge is...because if they knew, they would not be 'controlling' us...but would be seeking unity with us and preaching unconditional love.

The 'controllers' are not capable of knowing themselves because they are just as ignorant as the 'controlled'...the only thing they have learnt better than the 'controlled' is that if they are in front of the pack you can more easily pretend to be knowledgeable to those who lag behind.

So in reality...all we need to do is to realise that the 'controller' and the 'controlled' are one and the same thing...because without a 'controller' there will be no 'controlled'...and without the 'controlled' there can be no 'controller'.

All it takes is realisation.

Take care
Ray

[gripreaper]

Posted by NancyV (here)
We always have a choice to accept an experience as empowering, expanding and as a valuable learning process or to consider ourselves a helpless victim.

I think the Creation is perfect as it is. It contains the exact right games and lessons for us to have fun and then to return to being aware that we are always Source. The pain and suffering we think should be eradicated are actually a perfect part of the entire mechanism of Source, Creation, and returning to awareness of being Source.

Thanks NancyV. Great to have you chime in on this subject. Good to see you around. Your post I've excerpted here is most excellent. I hope everyone interested in this subject sees it and reads it.

[Maunagarjana]

My thoughts? Read the Law of One books. The reason Ra gives for why we don't remember our past lives is because there is a memory veil in place. It was a decision of the Logos to implement this and not some negative ET technology or implants or whatever. It's just a feature of life in third density on Earth. If you think you've got a better view of the situation than a sixth density social memory complex....have fun with that.

[svein magne]

do not go into the light ,,, reely ???

[Synchronicity]

If we came in with all of our memories what would be the point of bothering to live this life at all? Seems to me the point is living the life with vague or no memories, but with that same core that is here to do something and learn something, to experience something, and then to move on. Sometimes we start remembering as we go and some come in with more memory, but if we had total recall it would be hard to even focus. I know for myself if I start focusing on what was I am not living in the present and doing what I am supposed to be doing here and now. One way to find a bit of balance is to learn about the purpose for this life and the challenges we are here to meet, get the parts back that may be been lost over this life or others, and go back to find answers to particular issues that are hard to resolve. That is helpful for living in the present with enough knowledge of past and purpose to live a present, but successful life.

[AngelArmy]

Posted by svein magne (here)
do not go into the light ,,, reely ???

I know hey like blown my mind at least - never thought Id hear that ever

[Hervé]

Posted by Synchronicity (here)
If we came in with all of our memories what would be the point of bothering to live this life at all?

[...]

My guess is that we wouldn't waste years relearning what the heck 2+2 equals to...
nor relearning grammar or vocabulary or different language or Euclid, Pythagoras, Newton, Maxwell, Tesla, etc...

Nor would we need to (re-)learn about our neighbors -- planetary or extraterrestrial... for we would remember lives spent as male, female, Taoist, Buddhist, Islamist, Sufist, Zoroastrian, Satanist, Gnostic, Mysticist, sorcerer, magician, faery, cop, robber, Jews, Sumerian, Atlantean, Lemurian, Pleidian, Orionian, Arcturian, Andromedan, Draconian, Mantid, etc... what would that do for peace? Understanding? Compassion?

[outerheaven]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
My thoughts? Read the Law of One books. The reason Ra gives for why we don't remember our past lives is because there is a memory veil in place. It was a decision of the Logos to implement this and not some negative ET technology or implants or whatever. It's just a feature of life in third density on Earth. If you think you've got a better view of the situation than a sixth density social memory complex....have fun with that.

I love the Law of One books, and I think they offer a tremendous, positively-oriented moral and ideological compass to help guide your actions.

But you're appealing to authority here. As much as I want the Ra material to be 100% legitimate, I don't know if it is. Even if it is truly channeled material and not a hoax -- Ra speaks of how negatively-oriented entities can hijack a channel, and influence an entity seeking service to others (STO), by manipulating them into relaying a service to self (STS) message disguised as STO. Thus, in the Ra material, we are given a reason to very closely scrutinize the given information.

All sides of this discussion -- heck, every discussion, ever -- have to get past this fundamental roadblock/fallacy of appealing to authority.

As for the continuing discussion in this thread ...

IMO, we can break this question down into 2 possible questions:

1) whether the white light is a "true" divine phenomenon, whereby one experiences Source/One/whatever and reincarnates if it must or chooses to do so;
2) whether the white light is a false phenomenon, and it is part of an alien implanting scenario whereby one's soul memory is wiped and one must continue to reincarnate until one can stop this process.

(Correct me if I'm wrong, but the crowd subscribing to point #2 will also tell you that the implanting aliens are also implanted and thus part of the Matrix -- and therefore another part of the illusion that makes up our reality.)

I see very little difference between these scenarios except the tone in which the information is relayed. One is positive, one is negative. The former has a feeling of confident submission to the process ... whereas the latter has a sort of rushed urgency to figure things out before it's too late and the cycle restarts.

This is a new twist on a fundamental question that humanity has asked itself: who are we, where did we come from, and where are we going when we die. It's understandable that we should have a lot of anxiety about it.

Either way, we're here with very little to no recall of past lives. I feel comfortable stating that I am here, and possibly may continue to keep returning here, until I no longer need to do so. Whether that means learning all my life lessons, or realizing that aliens have hijacked my soul and need to learn methods of regaining control. (Honestly I'd speculate that both explanations are probably far too short-sighted and do not even begin to grasp the 'true' truth, which we are not capable of understanding!)

But again I state: I do not fear this process. All things will return to one, whatever path they may take.

[Realeyes]

For the last three hours I have attempted to describe what ‘Source’ means to me; a valid question that Fine Feather brought up yesterday. It is quite likely we are all using the same word yet meaning something totally different. I am personally finding language to be so limiting when attempting to define higher aspects of Consciousness.

Nancy you did a fine job in your description – thank you. This is not an easy exercise to define as I have just found out myself using the medium of ‘words’. I too noticed Fine Feather deleted his valid question shortly after writing it, I do not know his reasons as to why, yet do think it is a great question to ask oneself and purposeful for each of us to define within ourselves our own meaning. I too would very much appreciate Fine Feather’s definitions of ‘Source’; that is if he is willing to do so. If he does, I hope he can find better words than my limited vocabulary.

For myself, I usually experience what I call ‘Source’ either in out of body experiences or Kundalini rising practices. Unfortunately I do not see sign posts stating where exactly I am, so for myself I observe the distinct levels of conscious awareness ‘changes’ within myself , there is quite a difference from one Plane to the next Plane; (also each Plane has many dimensions within it). It has taken me many decades to piece together some of what I write below.

I thought it may be helpful for my own defining (and perhaps for others too) if I start several Conscious Planes ‘below’ what I deem as ‘Source’. And quite possibly what I am ‘accepting as Source’ in this particular Triad maybe just the very start of something potentially far bigger that I have yet to contemplate, experience and realise – as I remind myself this is a journey into Eternity. So please take what I write below as just being my own subjective truth of what I have had glimpses/moments of experiencing. Also I am describing in the briefest of terms the Planes; they are so much more than this where one could spend tens of thousands of years joyfully exploring!

In out of body ‘travel’ or ‘arriving’ I can experience this as ‘going somewhere’ but really I am going ‘within self’ into my inner nucleus – so although I can experience movement or force while travelling that feels very real - in truth there really is no movement, rather raising frequencies shifting my observer conscious awareness into deeper levels of Self. (I can see already my sentences are going to seem full of contradictions and paradoxes as I attempt to describe existences of Self in Planes so very different to 3D Time/Space – lol)

***

Journeying towards Source
Skipping past the ‘polarity planes’ of Hertzian, Inferred, Visible Light - then through a void space, I enter what I call Bridge Consciousness that is Neutral in nature and the Ultraviolet blue Plane - reengaging with the Soul and is the Plane of Unconditional Love. When I am BEing the centrral observer of Soul, I see multitudes of rays of simultaneous incarnations around me (past, present, future), it’s like being the centre of a star with all its rays. It is here I re-remember all my "I's" that I have been (incarnations).

Shifting into another void space, I arrive at Super Consciousness (X-Ray) Soul & Spirit Plane often called Paradise; wondrous music plays, golden light, life forms and colours etc are breathtaking! This is where I experience an ‘us-ness or we-ness’ conscious awareness, now becoming less ‘form’ (no longer attached to any body identity form yet can unfold into a form whenever I choose) I prefer to be an orb of consciousness. Here I am re-remembering and beholding ‘us-ness/we-ness’ consciousness, and all the vast creations we participate in giving unconditional love. I am this expanding conscious awareness yet I am not ‘gigantic in size like a universe’ (oh god another paradox) I am really very, very tiny like a subatomic particle (or something like that) that is interconnected.

Shifting within again, into the Planes of Hyper Consciousness and also into Ultra Consciousness (Gamma and beyond) this is the Spirit Planes of Knowingness and Pure Thought Light. This re-awakens a deeper depth of Unity Oneness Consciousness of ALL LIFE in this Triad of Creation - yet within this oneness I keep my uniqueness at the same time (I know another paradox; next paragraph brings some sense to this). The all embracing love, celebration and joy and creational conscious awareness in these two Planes are beyond Earthly description. At some point during my ‘observer shifting’ I can see below the shimmering golden/rose energy grids of Creation (part of the Source Field) where all those wondrous adventurous explorations of zillions of co-creator gods are exploring and creating in the multitudes of playgrounds. Up to this point and Planes just described, I am still the ‘journeyman’ a secondary conscious god spark mirror aspect of - my ‘wholeness/totality’ that is ‘Primary Consciousness’ the Self that eternally exists in Source and never left home. I am still in this Plane the journeyman/secondary consciousness traversing a soulful journey exploring this particular Triad of Creation of involution and now evolution.

Arriving to Source
Shifting within again my journeyman of secondary consciousness now wraps up all its realities as it lovingly brings all its unique wisdoms returning and ‘BEcoming at one’ again with ‘my’ Primary Consciousness; I could call this ‘My Great Spirit’ or ‘my god’, or ‘my source’. My own journeyman of experiences turned to wisdoms is what makes this unity of Self/co-creator god ‘unique’, (and everyone elses too due their unique journeys). My Primary Consciousness/god source is now deeper enriched and wiser via my journeyman’s exponential journey of redefining the wonders of all SELF can be in this Triad of Creation. (It is either this particular level with this reunion of 1st & 2nd consciousness becoming ONE, or the one next stage when one reaches Christos – not quite sure which it is, but suspect it is this particular level).

Shift within again and ‘my’ Primary Consciousness returns, merges with Prime Creator (God/Goddess/Source/Isness, whatever one wishes to term it) that is the totality of unconditional LOVE and Conscious life force Creation that IS in Everything, an Isness ongoingness into Forever.

(Now I am unsure if Prime Creator of this Triad of creation ‘is’ or instead ‘exists within and part of’ the next part)

There is a Great beautiful dazzling alive black Void, like a great sea teaming with alive consciousness that contains all colours and light within this black void (paradox again), with full Knowingness, omnipresence, omniscient of all potentials yet no things materially – the ideas of Everything yet a Non-Thing all at the same time. I am not even sure what I am at this stage other than consciousness, perhaps a ‘consciously aware wave’? I ride in a seamless sea of wondrously expanding ALL knowingness – I have zero questions, queries, desires etc All is Known in this alive Isness oceans of Unity creative omnipresent Conscious Knowingness. Apologises this really is a Pitiful explanation; I just cannot find the words to even skim the surface of such all knowing wondrousness.

One thing I have observed is the moment I contemplate a knowingness that washes through me, the ‘act’ of contemplating takes me immediately to BEing my Primary Consciousness (no longer Prime Creator or the Great Void). When I am the Great Void the knowingness washes through me in waves, there is no contemplation because all is Known. Smile.

***

Well that’s my glimpses of many experiences exploring higher Planes of Consciousness – so far.... and maybe just the tip of the iceberg. When the time arrives when I realise and accept fully my Isness reuniting and merging with my own Primary Consciousness/God/Source....... my next step maybe to dive into the Prime Creator (God/Source) and explore what other great wonders there are to behold in the vastness of Eternity - smile. Until then...........

I have much work to do unravelling and remembering and reconnecting to the grand mysteries I call SELF and my Source. I will keep plodding onwards and upwards within myself cleaning up all my unfinished Earthly business and the other Planes of polarity unfinished business, owning the parts I have played and turning that purposefulness into evolving wisdom and greater conscious awareness, loving myself into life (wherever that may be) while reengaging in all that I BE.

So to return to the original question defining what is ‘Source’ in my personal meaning, it includes that which is Eternal, my primary consciousness; Prime Creator and the Great Void. And I so bless my secondary consciousness journeyman because it does all the leg work.

Much love to you all
Realeyes X
Namaste

Ps. The above has been a lifetime of inner work this end - I am fed up with forgetting this over and over every time I reincarnate, so doing all I can this end to keep my memories and knowledge I have learned so I can continue to build upon them and finally at some point 'arrive' to my Source with the job done. Then leap into the next..............!

[Finefeather]

I do apologise for deleting this post so here it is again...something I did must have gone wrong...


It seems like a lot of people use the term "Source" as if they have some knowledge about this thing.

I would like to invite those who use this word to explain it so I can get a better idea of what they think it is...because IMO it might shed some light on where you think you are heading when you say..."I merged with source" or "demand to go to source" or "go to source"

I have been away all day and will post my version tomorrow.
Thank you and Love you all
Ray

[Synchronicity]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Synchronicity (here)
If we came in with all of our memories what would be the point of bothering to live this life at all?

[...]

My guess is that we wouldn't waste years relearning what the heck 2+2 equals to...
nor relearning grammar or vocabulary or different language or Euclid, Pythagoras, Newton, Maxwell, Tesla, etc...

Nor would we need to (re-)learn about our neighbors -- planetary or extraterrestrial... for we would remember lives spent as male, female, Taoist, Buddhist, Islamist, Sufist, Zoroastrian, Satanist, Gnostic, Mysticist, sorcerer, magician, faery, cop, robber, Jews, Sumerian, Atlantean, Lemurian, Pleidian, Orionian, Arcturian, Andromedan, Draconian, Mantid, etc... what would that do for peace? Understanding? Compassion?

True, but then what? Live a whole life as the same person you were before? Perhaps in a different type of body? And what would we do with that knowledge? I'm not sure that living as a 15th century female being treated horribly in one country, but being born as a 21st century male in an affluent country would be the same experience as living as the female, then as the male with little or no memories. It would be nice to totally remember, I guess, but if we did wouldn't we know this was all just temporary and maybe not worth truly "living" the life we have right now?

If we were the male 100 years ago who was rich and educated for the time, but then a female treated badly, but we still remembered we were that male too and that it was all temporary, then would we truly experience the hopelessness and sense of degradation and truly experience and learn? Does seem the world would be a nicer place, but maybe not for everyone. Maybe some might stay what they were and still want to fight or conquer or machinate behind the scenes, but get even better at it? Interesting thought... seems so far that if the choice is made to come back in there is often a memory suppression, at least temporarily. Hmm...that would be a different world. I'm glad you said that since it is definitely food for thought.

[greybeard]

Source for me is that which is everything--both form and formless and neither.
Beyond all understanding--yet is discoverable because Ultimately it is Self.
Fair enough I am paraphrasing Ramana Maharsi, Nasargadatta various other enlightened souls and the Agamas.

Translations from Agamas.
Atma Sakashatkara (all comprehensive knowledge)


26. There is no greater blessing anywhere
Than the gaining of the Self
Meditate ever on the Self. He who is the Self,
Is indeed the one all-pervasive Supreme Self-
be aware of this.

50. A lamp shines, destroying darkness, with its light.
So too destroying the enveloping darkness arising from
inexplicable ignorance.
The Self the pure light of knowledge , shines.
That's from the collected works of Ramana Maharshi.

My own experience is a spontaneously awakened Kundalini.
There are also states of bliss from time to time that come unasked--not in meditation.
Rarely there is movement in the heart cave--this can be felt externally with the hand but the movement is internal --a couple of centimetres to the right
of centre --level with the physical heart.

Chris

[Delight]

Posted by Synchronicity (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Synchronicity (here)
If we came in with all of our memories what would be the point of bothering to live this life at all?

[...]

My guess is that we wouldn't waste years relearning what the heck 2+2 equals to...
nor relearning grammar or vocabulary or different language or Euclid, Pythagoras, Newton, Maxwell, Tesla, etc...

Nor would we need to (re-)learn about our neighbors -- planetary or extraterrestrial... for we would remember lives spent as male, female, Taoist, Buddhist, Islamist, Sufist, Zoroastrian, Satanist, Gnostic, Mysticist, sorcerer, magician, faery, cop, robber, Jews, Sumerian, Atlantean, Lemurian, Pleidian, Orionian, Arcturian, Andromedan, Draconian, Mantid, etc... what would that do for peace? Understanding? Compassion?

True, but then what? Live a whole life as the same person you were before? Perhaps in a different type of body? And what would we do with that knowledge? I'm not sure that living as a 15th century female being treated horribly in one country, but being born as a 21st century male in an affluent country would be the same experience as living as the female, then as the male with little or no memories. It would be nice to totally remember, I guess, but if we did wouldn't we know this was all just temporary and maybe not worth truly "living" the life we have right now?

If we were the male 100 years ago who was rich and educated for the time, but then a female treated badly, but we still remembered we were that male too and that it was all temporary, then would we truly experience the hopelessness and sense of degradation and truly experience and learn? Does seem the world would be a nicer place, but maybe not for everyone. Maybe some might stay what they were and still want to fight or conquer or machinate behind the scenes, but get even better at it? Interesting thought... seems so far that if the choice is made to come back in there is often a memory suppression, at least temporarily. Hmm...that would be a different world. I'm glad you said that since it is definitely food for thought.

I believe that all of this IS a game. The collective mind is playing it. It doesn't matter how deep we go into various presentations, it will be the same game.
The leap of faith in jumping into the game is that one can keep one's wits about oneself perhaps? It is a collective game. But it is not all that is...it's just a game.

When one knows WHO I AM, one takes a different POV. One sees themes, a larger picture...not just scenes. One is not into extra innings in the ball play just to extend the time of play. It is true that one may want to just get to the "end" but that is so we can do something else. What that IS must be out of the game arena. One walks through the door. It is unknown what is out "there". But if one is the creator of the "games", that is OK. One can go home and may have inspiration when quiet.

IMO the big leap of the collective is arising out of the creators' shared boredom. It is so less interesting now. This game of all the roles we exchange in relationship has many fed up. It's another Sunday and another day and I have been everyone I know. Yawn, I think I will just have to go see the clear light and refresh.

I am editing for clarity...
I am not saying that one would like to die because the clear light is here now. In its embrace lies genius. But the genius may not be appreciated by the game so one plays solitaire at times. Also, one is just very accepting of every moment "here' as the light refreshes constantly.

[Shane]

Posted by Realeyes (here)
For the last three hours I have attempted to describe what ‘Source’ means to me; a valid question that Fine Feather brought up yesterday. It is quite likely we are all using the same word yet meaning something totally different. I am personally finding language to be so limiting when attempting to define higher aspects of Consciousness.

Nancy you did a fine job in your description – thank you. This is not an easy exercise to define as I have just found out myself using the medium of ‘words’. I too noticed Fine Feather deleted his valid question shortly after writing it, I do not know his reasons as to why, yet do think it is a great question to ask oneself and purposeful for each of us to define within ourselves our own meaning. I too would very much appreciate Fine Feather’s definitions of ‘Source’; that is if he is willing to do so. If he does, I hope he can find better words than my limited vocabulary.

For myself, I usually experience what I call ‘Source’ either in out of body experiences or Kundalini rising practices. Unfortunately I do not see sign posts stating where exactly I am, so for myself I observe the distinct levels of conscious awareness ‘changes’ within myself , there is quite a difference from one Plane to the next Plane; (also each Plane has many dimensions within it). It has taken me many decades to piece together some of what I write below.

I thought it may be helpful for my own defining (and perhaps for others too) if I start several Conscious Planes ‘below’ what I deem as ‘Source’. And quite possibly what I am ‘accepting as Source’ in this particular Triad maybe just the very start of something potentially far bigger that I have yet to contemplate, experience and realise – as I remind myself this is a journey into Eternity. So please take what I write below as just being my own subjective truth of what I have had glimpses/moments of experiencing. Also I am describing in the briefest of terms the Planes; they are so much more than this where one could spend tens of thousands of years joyfully exploring!

In out of body ‘travel’ or ‘arriving’ I can experience this as ‘going somewhere’ but really I am going ‘within self’ into my inner nucleus – so although I can experience movement or force while travelling that feels very real - in truth there really is no movement, rather raising frequencies shifting my observer conscious awareness into deeper levels of Self. (I can see already my sentences are going to seem full of contradictions and paradoxes as I attempt to describe existences of Self in Planes so very different to 3D Time/Space – lol)

***

Journeying towards Source
Skipping past the ‘polarity planes’ of Hertzian, Inferred, Visible Light - then through a void space, I enter what I call Bridge Consciousness that is Neutral in nature and the Ultraviolet blue Plane - reengaging with the Soul and is the Plane of Unconditional Love. When I am BEing the centrral observer of Soul, I see multitudes of rays of simultaneous incarnations around me (past, present, future), it’s like being the centre of a star with all its rays. It is here I re-remember all my "I's" that I have been (incarnations).

Shifting into another void space, I arrive at Super Consciousness (X-Ray) Soul & Spirit Plane often called Paradise; wondrous music plays, golden light, life forms and colours etc are breathtaking! This is where I experience an ‘us-ness or we-ness’ conscious awareness, now becoming less ‘form’ (no longer attached to any body identity form yet can unfold into a form whenever I choose) I prefer to be an orb of consciousness. Here I am re-remembering and beholding ‘us-ness/we-ness’ consciousness, and all the vast creations we participate in giving unconditional love. I am this expanding conscious awareness yet I am not ‘gigantic in size like a universe’ (oh god another paradox) I am really very, very tiny like a subatomic particle (or something like that) that is interconnected.

Shifting within again, into the Planes of Hyper Consciousness and also into Ultra Consciousness (Gamma and beyond) this is the Spirit Planes of Knowingness and Pure Thought Light. This re-awakens a deeper depth of Unity Oneness Consciousness of ALL LIFE in this Triad of Creation - yet within this oneness I keep my uniqueness at the same time (I know another paradox; next paragraph brings some sense to this). The all embracing love, celebration and joy and creational conscious awareness in these two Planes are beyond Earthly description. At some point during my ‘observer shifting’ I can see below the shimmering golden/rose energy grids of Creation (part of the Source Field) where all those wondrous adventurous explorations of zillions of co-creator gods are exploring and creating in the multitudes of playgrounds. Up to this point and Planes just described, I am still the ‘journeyman’ a secondary conscious god spark mirror aspect of - my ‘wholeness/totality’ that is ‘Primary Consciousness’ the Self that eternally exists in Source and never left home. I am still in this Plane the journeyman/secondary consciousness traversing a soulful journey exploring this particular Triad of Creation of involution and now evolution.

Arriving to Source
Shifting within again my journeyman of secondary consciousness now wraps up all its realities as it lovingly brings all its unique wisdoms returning and ‘BEcoming at one’ again with ‘my’ Primary Consciousness; I could call this ‘My Great Spirit’ or ‘my god’, or ‘my source’. My own journeyman of experiences turned to wisdoms is what makes this unity of Self/co-creator god ‘unique’, (and everyone elses too due their unique journeys). My Primary Consciousness/god source is now deeper enriched and wiser via my journeyman’s exponential journey of redefining the wonders of all SELF can be in this Triad of Creation. (It is either this particular level with this reunion of 1st & 2nd consciousness becoming ONE, or the one next stage when one reaches Christos – not quite sure which it is, but suspect it is this particular level).

Shift within again and ‘my’ Primary Consciousness returns, merges with Prime Creator (God/Goddess/Source/Isness, whatever one wishes to term it) that is the totality of unconditional LOVE and Conscious life force Creation that IS in Everything, an Isness ongoingness into Forever.

(Now I am unsure if Prime Creator of this Triad of creation ‘is’ or instead ‘exists within and part of’ the next part)

There is a Great beautiful dazzling alive black Void, like a great sea teaming with alive consciousness that contains all colours and light within this black void (paradox again), with full Knowingness, omnipresence, omniscient of all potentials yet no things materially – the ideas of Everything yet a Non-Thing all at the same time. I am not even sure what I am at this stage other than consciousness, perhaps a ‘consciously aware wave’? I ride in a seamless sea of wondrously expanding ALL knowingness – I have zero questions, queries, desires etc All is Known in this alive Isness oceans of Unity creative omnipresent Conscious Knowingness. Apologises this really is a Pitiful explanation; I just cannot find the words to even skim the surface of such all knowing wondrousness.

One thing I have observed is the moment I contemplate a knowingness that washes through me, the ‘act’ of contemplating takes me immediately to BEing my Primary Consciousness (no longer Prime Creator or the Great Void). When I am the Great Void the knowingness washes through me in waves, there is no contemplation because all is Known. Smile.

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Well that’s my glimpses of many experiences exploring higher Planes of Consciousness – so far.... and maybe just the tip of the iceberg. When the time arrives when I realise and accept fully my Isness reuniting and merging with my own Primary Consciousness/God/Source....... my next step maybe to dive into the Prime Creator (God/Source) and explore what other great wonders there are to behold in the vastness of Eternity - smile. Until then...........

I have much work to do unravelling and remembering and reconnecting to the grand mysteries I call SELF and my Source. I will keep plodding onwards and upwards within myself cleaning up all my unfinished Earthly business and the other Planes of polarity unfinished business, owning the parts I have played and turning that purposefulness into evolving wisdom and greater conscious awareness, loving myself into life (wherever that may be) while reengaging in all that I BE.

So to return to the original question defining what is ‘Source’ in my personal meaning, it includes that which is Eternal, my primary consciousness; Prime Creator and the Great Void. And I so bless my secondary consciousness journeyman because it does all the leg work.

Much love to you all
Realeyes X
Namaste

Ps. The above has been a lifetime of inner work this end - I am fed up with forgetting this over and over every time I reincarnate, so doing all I can this end to keep my memories and knowledge I have learned so I can continue to build upon them and finally at some point 'arrive' to my Source with the job done. Then leap into the next..............!

Feeling the need to bump this, not just because it is a great writing, but because it makes a very good point of truth.

The ultimate authority on "source" is within everyone reading here.

[greybeard]

Only God is (Source or any other name)
Some Indian sages said "I am the totality all of it"
That is the state called enlightenment--direct experience.
Of course then there is no individual left to claim enlightenment.
Persona remains but there is no identification with a me story.
The spiritual is full of paradoxes
Beyond mind to understand.

However even a basic understanding will give the understanding that we are not the body.
Fear dissipates though obviously one does not go stepping in front of buses or leaping of cliffs.

Its all Consciousness at play.
Idra's dream is a name for it--or The Cosmic Dance.

Dont go into the light!!! oh well--- if you want to believe that, fine.
We make plans and God laughs.

Chris

[Wind]

Wow, I just love the intelligent and wise discussion in this thread! I think that this discussion here is very important!

Indeed it is important to admit that in the end we all are still quite ignorant. I have learned a lot over the years, but the more I learn, the more I begin to understand that I barely I know anything at all!