Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

[Operator]

Posted by panopticon (here)
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You've said there could be a difference in frequency due to the aquatic environment. How much of a difference could this make (not asking for a comprehensive analysis, the variations you pointed out make that ridiculous, rather just a general "lots", "not much" or "little")?
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Haha, unfortunately this stuff is complex ....

Speed of Sound Underwater

While the accepted speed of sound in air is 340 m/s, the speed of sound underwater is more difficult to ascertain because the speed of sound is much more affected by temperature, dissolved impurities (usually salinity), hydrostatic pressure, and mass density. In an empirically derived formula, the speed of sound underwater in a simplified equation is:

C(T,P,S) = 1449.2 + 4.6T – 0.055T^2

+ 0.00029T^3 + (1.34 – 0.01 T)(S – 35) + 0.16z,

where is T represents temperature in ˚C, S represents salinity in parts per thousand, and z represents the depth in meters. More complex equations have been published, with the most accurate equation to-date involving 19 terms and coefficients up to 12 significant figures (7). Generally, an increase in temperature and salinity will increase the speed of sound in water. Usually, ocean salinity, S, is estimated around a constant 35 ppt, so the sound speed formula reduces to a function of temperature and depth, with the temperature of the water as a greater parameter than salinity. (5, 7).

Full info here

So let me go by what I remember (for more simplicity sake) ... I think that practical values range between 1400 and 1500 m/s.
So a 6 .. 7 % variation is possible ... or said in a different way ... I would be surprised if they'd find an exact frequency of
37.5 KHz. But what else could be pinging in that area?

The reason why they hear it for a while and then it's gone is because they are moving ... it is possible that when you hear it
again you are actually further away. Have a look at the image below



This is about HF radio waves but the principle is the same ... the signal bounces up and down and can be received at
intervals where it reaches the surface .... You would need a powerful pinger though and I have no idea how powerful
these are but I would guess that with fully loaded batteries ranges of 10+ nm are feasible. Whales produce a much
lower sound and their range is therefor better. However the longer the range the more difficult it is to 'locate' the
source ....

Last but not least ... I expect them to find the pinger but most likely not the plane. Enough to satisfy closure of the
case but no answers on the question 'What happened ?'. But that is my intuition ... not based on intel or info.

P.S. They are most likely not listening at the surface but they are probably towing an array of hydrophones at a certain depth.

[SilentFeathers]

Every week they are coming up with a new BS scenario and headlining it as, "The best lead yet!"....this is getting a bit old and stale. Even if they find that plane today at the bottom of the ocean it really won't eliminate all the speculation and possibilities as to of what actually happened......the guessing game and story will go on and on and on and on.

Finding the plane and positively identifying some bodies may actually give some of those poor families a little bit of closure, but still, even that would not explain much as to of what actually happened.

This is one of those types of events that will never end until the media quits reporting on it and it majorly fades from our memories.

Personally, I am convinced it flew over the Maldives heading south, possibly to Diego Garcia. It either Landed at Diego Garcia or flew past there, and if it took off from Diego Garcia or flew past Diego Garcia it was downed in the Southern Indian Ocean....I am also totally convinced that this flight was closely tracked by more than one source during it's whole journey regardless of where it's finally destination ended up being.

Actual eyewitnesses claim to have seen this jet over the Maldives heading south towards Diego Garcia and every single "search party" looked the other way telling the media the sighting over the Maldives was impossible, that's why I think there may be some truth to this eyewitness sighting.

To think they can find and track a 10 ft. asteroid millions of miles away and can't keep a fix on a state of the art high tech Boeing 777 is ludicrous IMO.



I will still stick to my prediction I wrote two-three weeks ago: They will soon find it and blame it all on the pilot, end of story.......

But, I doubt many will believe "their" version or conclusion that will be labeled as "Official"....and I also doubt that what-ever the "official conclusion" turns out to be will be the truth....

[gripreaper]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
But, I doubt many will believe "their" version or conclusion that will be labeled as "Official"....and I also doubt that what-ever the "official conclusion" turns out to be will be the truth....

And this is the salient point. While billions of people around the world are watching this and are realizing that they cannot trust anything coming from media, and that there is a power on earth much greater than nation state which manipulates the entire chess board, it causes them to connect the dots and focus more on the search for the truth.

Let the unveiling continue.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
But, I doubt many will believe "their" version or conclusion that will be labeled as "Official"....and I also doubt that what-ever the "official conclusion" turns out to be will be the truth....

And this is the salient point. While billions of people around the world are watching this and are realizing that they cannot trust anything coming from media, and that there is a power on earth much greater than nation state which manipulates the entire chess board, it causes them to connect the dots and focus more on the search for the truth.

Let the unveiling continue.

It's got to the point that if "they" actually did tell us the truth we wouldn't believe that either.....pretty much part of the game plan I'm sure, it gives them an edge to do and say just about anything they want and spinning the web to keep us trapped in the endless guessing and connecting the dots game......

While we are sitting at our computers, trapped in this web of endless speculation and playing these guessing games, well, "they" pretty much have free reign to do what-ever they want with little or no accountability. "They" pretty much steer the ship while we ride along wondering where it's going, yet seeing the iceberg up ahead, but we can't get to the bridge of the ship to crank the wheel to avoid the iceberg because we are too busy playing guessing games and caught in the web of mass speculation and deception.

Even those of us aware of being caught in this web struggle for solutions to escape it's ridiculous ability to entangle us......

[Bob]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Every week they are coming up with a new BS scenario .. [..]

Personally, I am convinced it flew over the Maldives heading south, possibly to Diego Garcia. It either Landed at Diego Garcia or flew past there, and if it took off from Diego Garcia or flew past Diego Garcia it was downed in the Southern Indian Ocean....I am also totally convinced that this flight was closely tracked by more than one source during it's whole journey regardless of where it's finally destination ended up being.

Actual eyewitnesses claim to have seen this jet over the Maldives heading south towards Diego Garcia and every single "search party" looked the other way telling the media the sighting over the Maldives was impossible, that's why I think there may be some truth to this eyewitness sighting.

To think they can find and track a 10 ft. asteroid millions of miles away and can't keep a fix on a state of the art high tech Boeing 777 is ludicrous IMO.



I will still stick to my prediction I wrote two-three weeks ago: They will soon find it and blame it all on the pilot, end of story.......

But, I doubt many will believe "their" version or conclusion that will be labeled as "Official"....and I also doubt that what-ever the "official conclusion" turns out to be will be the truth....

Hia SilentFeathers

Thought I would share some important data about "black boxes", flight data recorders.. any black-box has a stimulator/programmer used during testing to put in any desired simulation parameters..

Finding a black box, flight data recorder, does not necessarily mean that the actual flight data recorder from the "missing plane" was located, nor does it mean that the performance data recorded there-in was the actual flight.

http://www.google.com.lb/patents/US5260874 - that page shows a patent on a "programmer" able to put the needed "data" into a "black-box" to make the recording say anything that is desired by the "test"..

It seems to me, a box programmed like that could be "dropped" off anywhere.

The "public" is clamoring for "need to see the black box" and those couple items being "found" sure would be a lot less debris to have to handle with...

It's is being talked about in MSM, "amazing that the "boxes" are pinging", and no debris otherwise in the area has been found..

From the Patent (geek-speak) - A flight emulation programmer - inputs data into the Flight Data recorder, AutoPilot, Navigation systems

"The system 20 comprises instruments that generate stimuli normally received by the components of the aircraft 22 when in flight, plus other instruments that monitor the response of the aircraft components.

The system 20 instruments are contained in a van 24 that can be parked adjacent to the aircraft 22. The van 24 is provided with a number of cables 26-34 that provide a conductive path for exchanging electrical signals between the aircraft 22 components and the system 20 instruments.

Air flows having characteristics identical to the air flows measured through the aircraft pitot and static ports are supplied by the system through pneumatic hoses 36 and 38. The system 20 exchanges radio signals with radios on board the aircraft 22 through a set of antennae 40-48 mounted to the outer body of the van 24. Angle-of-attack sensor vanes on the aircraft 22 (not illustrated) are moved by separate angle-of-attack vane actuators 50, one shown, that are also part of the system 20.

The angle-of-attack vane actuators 50 are connected to the van 24 by separate cables 52 (one shown). Personnel in the cockpit of the aircraft 22 can control the tests performed by the system 20 through a portable terminal, not illustrated in this figure, that is connected to the van 24 by an operator interface cable 54.

The aircraft 22 is a conventional modern commercial airliner."

The Patent goes on for quite some pages, but the point is, everything "desired" can be programmed into any black box and flight data-recorder..

[Atlas]

They need to find something quickly because 'time is money' so to speak...

How much has the month-old SAR cost?

“Nobody, not the Malaysian government, none of our partners, have talked about dollars and cents. It’s all about trying to find the aircraft,” Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said at a press conference last month.

The U.S. Department of Defense allocated $4 million to help search for the missing Malaysian jetliner. Between March 8 and March 24, it had spent $3.2 million, said spokesman Col. Steve Warren. As of late last week it had spent another $148,000. The Pentagon has allocated another $3.6 million to cover the cost of a towed pinger locator, used to detect underwater signals from aircraft black boxes, and an underwater autonomous vehicle, which can look for wreckage deep below the ocean surface.

Australia’s defense department said its direct cost of using its ship the HMAS Success in the search is about $550,000 per day, and another vessel, the HMAS Toowoomba, costs about $380,000 per day. But it said there are not only direct costs such as fuel, servicing and crew salaries, but indirect costs such as general administration, building costs and depreciation of aircraft assets, so it is difficult to provide an exact total.

Japan’s defense ministry said it could not provide a figure because the search is continuing. The cost of the search operation is believed to fall within the 880 million yen ($8.8 million) budgeted for emergency relief for the Japan International Cooperation Agency. Some Japanese civilians are also participating, and the government said their accommodation and transportation has cost about 28 million yen ($280,000) as of the end of March.

Geoff Davies, a spokesman for New Zealand’s defense force, said much of his country’s costs will be covered by the existing budget for search and rescue operations, though there are likely to be some extra costs because of the extraordinary nature of the search.

China’s foreign ministry did not respond to questions about the expense of the effort.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

There is a lot of information to go through on this thread, so maybe I've missed someone's answer.

Does anyone know why a "sister", "copy", "clone" (not sure of the right word to use), a 777 with Malaysian markings, has been sitting in Tel Aviv since November of 2013?

Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Looks like David saw the same thing or read Bills post...LOL

Are the Israelis Planning Another 9-11 Using the Missing Boeing 777?

new Thursday 27th March 2014 at 06:49 By David Icke





‘Why would Israel have a plane identical to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane in
storage in Tel Aviv? The plane in this photo is Boeing 777 2H6(ER) – 28416/155,
an identical twin of the missing plane, which has been in Israel since November
2013. What are the Israelis doing with this plane in a hanger in Tel Aviv? Could it
be part of a false-flag terror plot in the making?’

Read more: Are the Israelis Planning Another 9-11 Using the Missing Boeing 777?

http://www.bollyn.com/are-the-israel...e-missing-777/

According to Wikipedia Malaysian Airlines has a total of 14 Boeing 777 aircraft.

A researcher (conspiracy analyst) might ask Malaysian Airlines if one of their Boeing 777 aircraft has been parked in Tel Aviv, and if "yes", ask why?

[Atlas]

Malaysian opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim: Malaysian Government knows Flight MH370's fate:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RX5pq23_VAg

Malaysia's Anwar accuses government of MH370 cover-up: concealed radar data

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8K-JO3PM9PE

He described it as "not only unacceptable but not possible, not feasible" that it could travel across "at least four" Malaysian states undetected, adding: "I believe the government knows more than us". "We don't have the sophistication of the United States or Britain but still we have the capacity to protect our borders," he stressed.

[Atlas]

Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)
There is a lot of information to go through on this thread, so maybe I've missed someone's answer.

Here you go:

Posted by Limor (here)
What may apparently be rather unreasonable with such an item, (and should be very carefully considered, as Paul alluded), is that somehow it could be expected that an Air craft such as this would be left in the open in a hangar in Tel Aviv with the possibility to be detected. Unfortunately the agencies can be given a little more credit than this when doing their operations.

I have worked in and around these aviation areas and am familiar enough with both Airports in Tel Aviv as well as the area of the IAI (Israeli Air Industry) where they have those hugh hungars in a close proximity to the airport. As an employee, it is sometimes possible to see foregin Airplains being parked or getting treatment in one of those hangars, a lot of U.S. military Aircrafts as the U.S army obviously has relations with Israel. But a Malasian Airplain is a 'No No' as Malysia is a Muslim country and as such has no relationship with Israel, in fact, no one with a Malaysian passport can enter the country and vice versa, such an aircraft will be highly suspicious to anyone seeing it.

One more thought, it is relatively very easy to paint an Aircraft with any one Logo, it is sometimes done with advertisments for specific occasions and charter planes are being painted all the time and there is no necassity to actually bring a plane such as Boeing which is common enough to the country unless it has some special markings that can survive whatever they are planning for it. Something just does not add up with this story, the more I think about it.

Posted by buares (here)

Posted by Operator (here)
GA Telesis LLC [...] currently has a fleet of only 1 stored plane ... ? Weird indeed.

GA Telesis Continues to Provide Best-In-Class Component Support via Disassembly of Boeing 777-200ER, 767-200ER and 757-200ER

July 10, 2013 Ft. Lauderdale, FL

GA Telesis, LLC (“GAT”), announced that it has started the dismantling process for three Boeing aircraft, including one 777-200ER (TRENT 800) (MSN 28418) ex-Malaysia Airlines, one 767-200ER (CF6-80A) (MSN 22326) ex American Airlines and one 757-200 (PW2000) (MSN 25276) ex-United Airlines.

All aircraft have entered the GA Telesis disassembly production line in the USA, and the aircraft dismantling and remarketing efforts will be led by the GA Telesis supply chain and global sales teams respectively.

GA Telesis has been a recognized leader in the aftermarket by becoming the only company to have substantial dismantling and parts redistribution capabilities on three continents. These three acquisitions represent a significant financial commitment towards supporting its customers. A market leader, GA Telesis has always taken an innovative approach towards supporting the aftermarket by providing access high-quality overhauled components for in-production and legacy aircraft. GA Telesis is the first-and-only company to part-out more than one 777-200 and has another 777-200ER aircraft scheduled for disassembly in August. The 777 transactions, as well as the addition of the Boeing 767-200ER and 757-200ER disassembly programs reflects GA Telesis’ dedication to understanding the requirements of their customers’ and the industry’s needs.

For additional information: please contact Rebecca C. Longo at rlongo@gatelesis.com

There is no clone of MH370, the so-called 'double' is a totally different plane with different serial numbers.

[SilentFeathers]

Hang loose folk's, the mystery is almost over! LOL!

The mystery revolving around the missing Malaysia Airlines jet could be over “in the next few days, if not hours,” according to Malaysian Transportation Minister Hishammudin Bin Hussein.

http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/missin...next-few-days/

[Operator]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Hang loose folk's, the mystery is almost over! LOL!

The mystery revolving around the missing Malaysia Airlines jet could be over “in the next few days, if not hours,” according to Malaysian Transportation Minister Hishammudin Bin Hussein.

http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/missin...next-few-days/

Yes, he just has to say they found the pinger and identified the plane ... there's nobody to verify it case closed ...

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Operator (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Hang loose folk's, the mystery is almost over! LOL!

The mystery revolving around the missing Malaysia Airlines jet could be over “in the next few days, if not hours,” according to Malaysian Transportation Minister Hishammudin Bin Hussein.

http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/missin...next-few-days/

Yes, he just has to say they found the pinger and identified the plane ... there's nobody to verify it case closed ...

It wouldn't surprise me if they soon present us with a black box (not bolted to any plane parts and scratch free) with a suicide note duct-taped to it from the pilot.

(and also a last minute confession from the pilot recorded on the device) We'll never hear it but they'll release a transcript of the confession!

[Roisin]

Information I had in this box before was only meant to be here temporarily.

My only hope is that things will be set up by those involved with the search of this plane in such a way to bring some closure for the loved ones of those passengers who were on that plane.

In the meantime, I will keep them in my prayers.

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UPDATE:

M'sian minister DENIES report MH370 'skirted Indonesian airspace' to evade radar

KUALA LUMPUR - The crashed Malaysia Airlines flight, MH370 had not skirted Indonesian airspace in a bid to evade radar detection as reported by CNN, said acting Transport Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein.

"I got the Chief of the Malaysian Defence Force to contact his Indonesian counterpart, and they have confirmed they have had no sighting of the plane," said Hishammuddin at the MH370 press conference held at the Royal Chulan here on Monday.

Hishammuddin had been asked about the report made by CNN senior international correspondent Phil Robertson, who quoted a "senior Malaysian Government official" confirming that the information regarding the flight of the Boeing 777 had been determined based on radar data from Malaysia's neighbours.

"After the Malaysia Airlines flight 370 took that left-hand turn and deviated from its path to Beijing, flew across Malaysia... the official now says that they know from looking at radar data from neighbouring countries that the flight then skirted the radar airspace of Indonesia," Robertson had said in his report from Kuala Lumpur.

MH370, which had been missing for 17 days before it was declared by Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Abdul Razak on March 24 to have ended its flight in the Southern Indian Ocean, disappeared from Malaysian radars at 2.15am on March 8 after taking off from Kuala Lumpur International Airport for Beijing at 1.30am. It carried 239 passengers and crew. -Asiaone

Full article: http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/in...#ixzz2yFp0LjEZ
Follow us: @MsiaChronicle on Twitter

[Elainie]

http://www.redicemembers.com/secure/...ram.php?id=835


Mark Gray - Symbolic Codes & Number Signs of the Missing MH370 Airliner
April 2, 2014
Mark Gray has degrees in Chemistry, Nutrition, and Chiropractic. He has been looking at patterns and synchronicities in symbols, myth and numbers for almost 20 years. Some of his favorite research was in the US Capitol, which resulted in the book “Freedoms Gate: the Lost Symbols in the US Capitol,” co-authored with investigative mythologist William Henry. We’ll begin discussing 2014, the year of the horse and relevant horse themes found in pop-culture. He’ll also discuss numbers and codes seen in pop-culture as well as trident symbolism at the Sochi Olympics. In the second hour, Mark speaks about four different codes that are “numerically switched” and “signs” to look for. He’ll share symbolism related to the missing MH370 airplane going from Malaysia to China. We discuss how this event echoes 9/11. He relates flight MH370 to the TV show Lost and speculates on what may have happened to the 239 passengers. There are also hints that some have hijacked the plane to use it for later terrorist attacks, while blaming their opposition. Mark also talks about significant events and bombings that have taken place on July 22nd, suggesting the signatures of a false flag or an instigated event. Later, he talks about the latest Superman movie, Man of Steel which shows trident shaped spaceships crashing over the Indian Ocean. The hour ends on potential future insight that can be made to understand what can be forecasted using numbers.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Hang loose folk's, the mystery is almost over! LOL!

The mystery revolving around the missing Malaysia Airlines jet could be over “in the next few days, if not hours,” according to Malaysian Transportation Minister Hishammudin Bin Hussein.

http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/missin...next-few-days/

Oops! 30 days are up now and can't hear the pings any more! Time to get back to the drawing board to craft up another lie to string people along!

Missing Malaysia Airlines Boeing:Search team loses Flight MH370 Blackbox signal / Breaking News

[Operator]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Hang loose folk's, the mystery is almost over! LOL!

The mystery revolving around the missing Malaysia Airlines jet could be over “in the next few days, if not hours,” according to Malaysian Transportation Minister Hishammudin Bin Hussein.

http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/missin...next-few-days/

Oops! 30 days are up now and can't hear the pings any more! Time to get back to the drawing board to craft up another lie to string people along!

Missing Malaysia Airlines Boeing:Search team loses Flight MH370 Blackbox signal / Breaking News

It's 30 days guaranteed and then the battery will slowly get exhausted ...

[Roisin]

U.N. Says It Detected No Crash or Explosion
(test results from this past weekend)

Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mis...plosion-n55256


"Sensitive nuclear monitoring equipment has found no evidence that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 exploded or crashed, the U.N. said Monday.

While seismic systems used by the Vienna-based Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty Organization are intended to detect nuclear explosions, they're also capable of picking up "the explosion of a larger aircraft, as well as its impact on the ground or on water," Stephane Dujarric, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon's spokesman, told reporters in New York.

But tests over the weekend had confirmed that "neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far," Dujarric said Monday.

The organization's executive secretary ordered that all its sensors be used to try to find the plane, and he encouraged scientists from around the world to "carefully study the available data," Dujarric said."

— M. Alex Johnson

(Article published Tues. April 8th, 2014)

[Atlas]

This was first released 3 weeks ago:

UNITED NATIONS, MARCH 18:
A UN-backed nuclear watchdog has said that it did not detect either any explosion or crash that could be linked to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, amid continued speculation over fate of the aircraft.

“Regarding the missing Malaysian Airlines flight... the Vienna-based Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO) confirmed that neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far,” Spokesman for UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon Stephane Dujarric told reporters here yesterday.

Dujarric said plane accidents may be detected, depending on individual circumstances, by three of the four technologies used by the CTBTO’s International Monitoring System (IMS).

While the verification system has been put in place to detect nuclear explosions, it is also able to detect the explosion of a larger aircraft, as well as its impact on the ground or on water.

CTBTO Executive Secretary Lassina Zerbo had last week said that he would put the sensors of the organization at work to see if a possible explosion at high altitude of the missing Malaysian Airlines plane could be detected.

Zerbo has also encouraged all scientists from UN member states to carefully study the available data. He had said the CTBTO uses “infrasound” — or infrasonic sensors — to monitor the earth mainly for atmospheric nuclear explosions.

Dujarric said the CTBTO has a network, as part of their Test-Ban-Treaty, of extremely sensitive sensors throughout the world that detect nuclear explosions and earthquakes.

The flight MH370 carrying 239 people has been missing since March 8 and a multi-national search has so far shed little light on where the plane could have landed or crashed.

Zerbo had asked the head of the CTBTO’s International Data Center (IDC) to look at the data to find any clues about the missing plane.

Zerbo said infrasound would be the best technology to check for an explosion on the missing plane if there was a monitoring station nearby, “or the explosion is at a level or at an amplitude that it could be detected.”

“There’s a possibility, it’s not absolute, that the technology like the Infrazone could be able to detect” an explosion, he had said.

The mystery of the missing plane from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing since March 8 continued to baffle aviation and security authorities who have not succeeded in tracking the aircraft despite deploying hi-tech radar and other gadgets.

(This article was published on March 18, 2014)

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...cle5799419.ece

[Roisin]

As the NBC news link states that was published today, April 8th, 2014, they conducted additional tests this past weekend to further validate their findings that wrt to that airliner, there was no crash or explosion.

Their initial findings though were first published on March 18th but since then, last weekend they conducted more tests to back up their findings on that.

[Atlas]

So why do they use the exact same quote ?

Posted by Roisin (here)

But tests over the weekend had confirmed that "neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far," Dujarric said Monday.

Posted by buares (here)

neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far,” Spokesman for UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon Stephane Dujarric told reporters here yesterday.