In the Interest of Project Avalon

[donk]

No one is EXACTLY as they seem, remember you are always interacting with them from the outside, with tempered impressions from your own experience (which no one can ever truly know/understand…not completely.

This should be kept in mind every time you post, in my opinion, at least. I recognize how easily misunderstood I am, and stay vigilant in my near obsession to ensure that my intention for every thought and action are as clear as I can possibly make them (and still assume that I—or the reader—may get it wrong). I try to balance my responsibility to transmit the ideas correctly with the audience’s ability/responsibility to read and interpret it correctly (keeping as much of the burden on myself as possible)…there comes a time when repeating yourself loses its intended effect.

So applying this to what I consider the issue you are trying to bring up: when you feel someone is pushing an agenda or manipulating others: try to expose it. Project yourself on to that person, and ask the right questions that will reveal the posters true intent. Present your perception of the situation as emotionally detached as you possibly can, don’t get sucked into a “battle” or argument…instead seek understanding.

If you stay true, the truth will always shine through, even if it is only apparent to you. And that’s the last bit I wanted to touch on: have realistic expectations. I used to be worried about convincing others that someone has an agenda, and while that may be well-intended, you can rarely do that effectively on a higher (meaning more numerous) than on the individual level.

Am I making any sense? I guess it boils down to: state your intentions as clearly as you possibly can. In the case where it is testing to see if someone has an agenda, find a loving way to do it—that’s what I found helped me the most: NOT TAKING IT PERSONALLY.

Think beyond simply exposing a deceiver, to the point where you believe we really all are one, we are in this together…the ideas of “enemies” and “sides” and battles never serves those actually in them—try to approach it differently. Cuz if you can expose a manipulator, what then? You can feel good about how you kept your people safe or looked smart or whatever, and we can all say “so-and-so” is this or that and we the poster gets booted and we all live happily ever after…OR perhaps you got them to think about why they are doing what they are doing…you give them a choice, rather than backing them into a corner.

Anyway, I am falling into the trap I hoped to describe…generalizing on a situation that needs to be intensely individualized, focused on each “disturbance in the force’ as it comes. The only general rules I feel apply to all situations are:
1. State your intent and beliefs as clearly as possible
2. State your perception of the intent and belief of the poster in question as clearly as possible
3. …do these while staying vigilant of the emotional attachments to beliefs—both yours and those of the person you are questioning
4. Truth stands on its own, and doesn’t need defending (but sometimes needs to be pointed to), but there are very few “truths” that are universal—one being: you don’t HAVE to be anyone or anything’s “enemy”, even of those attempting to prey on you

Final thought: I don’t KNOW anything, especially WHY anyone else does whatever it is they decide to do. I’m learning that myself AND “anyone else” can easily go through life without questioning that (WTF we are doing and why) ourselves. So that’s a lot of what I’m doing here most of the time—to purposefully explore my intent and reality. And while it would be nice if we could regulate the forum in a way that only others that are doing the same (exploring ideas, examining their purpose), that’s not reality…so I found the best thing to do is be direct. Ask questions. And to do this effectively, you need to empathize with those whose intent you question.

Of course, all of this is coming from someone perfectly comfortable completely exposing himself, and I know that was not an easy place to get to…many here may not ever be, some may not even want to. Those are the people I am trying to understand that I find interesting to engage with, who I learn the most from. And everyone has their own reasons for being who they are and choosing what they do, so it comes down to getting to know them, as best you can, on this relatively limited medium.

[Lifebringer]

People here know most of the playbooks of divide and conquer that's been used for centuries. If you find out what they're using to divide, and expose the "intention" of what they use, then most people/humans can feel whether it fits their soul's understanding via their guardians or guides. That's why meditation or quieting of the mind is so important at this time, for every 4 months, energy builds, and the ley lines become exposed between dimensions. I believe this is the time to focus our intent on the good of all in the world, and what we'd have liked to see in our lives, for our next evolutionary process/graduation.

That's what I'm picking up, and I simply haven't the time to play games with those trying to rock the boat and discourage or change the energy here. I've left my guide to help me with that. I click where I'm told to click and add what I can through my experience. Boy, have I gone through hell enough in this life time to help others. LOL

Be at peace and love emotion now, as they are working on the lower reptilian and insect dna in the brain now, in theirs' and others that are in that lower vibration now. They know the negative energies they've programmed can go against the good, and therefore majority rules on this planet with the good intent, if we draw enough of the love and good intent, by touching the minds and hearts of those who are dwelling in the negative. They need lifting too, and the challenge is to appeal to a part of their hearts of love, that still exists. You ever notice how the meanest of people, can melt in their heart of love with a pet. Strange they except a pet before a fellow human, but they know the pet will love them regardless of if they have bad intent, even if they abuse the pet, for the pet has nowhere other than to run away, and hope for a better human to help take care of them as they unconditionally love in their lives. The mean person will comfort and share with animals, what they are programmed not to share w/people.

Strange times, eh?

[Lifebringer]

Sorta like standing on the checkout line, and meeting those with the same intent to pay for their goods purchased. We talk, maybe pass a little advise when someone's troubled, that we ourselves may have gone through. I mean, the empathy of the pain in one's heart/mind, of what they are going through, can only be advised by someone who's experience/survival, choice, made at their own fork in the road of life. It's usually truth if the story never changes, for it's easier to tell the truth, than to remember the web of lies told. It's very liberating if done with love, and not looking down on someone, but as equal souls experiencing the same thing perhaps at a different time, to help others know they aren't alone, and they too," feel them, pray for them, love them unconditionally."

That's what I got from Jesus teachings as he took on all ailments, mental illness, possession of demons, immoral behaviors, all done w/love for all the people. That's what I call Creator teaching, to allow others to just be themselves, as they unite with their higher self. We will see episodes of purging of negative energies, because we've already seen changes in people who are opening themselves/awakening/aware of the true reality.

Godspeed on your continued journey to the truth and Creator's/Source plan.

[Lifebringer]

Oh...that's what you were talking about. The "action" of the forum when and what do we focus on? Is that more closer to what you're asking?

If so? When we see it, we feel it, and we give what we can, sometimes eliciting others that have the same heart compassion for whomever is in some sort of need. We share heart lightness videos when those going through negativity or a issue of the material world, such as illness of a loved one, or people facing weather problems. Children and their future and prevention of disasters of wind, or flooding or wildfire and drought by the will, and if that be the will of the Creator's plan. Our higher selves help us to know when, who, where and how. Is that what you mean?
Anymore detail, perhaps I can suggest more meditation, to quiet the mind, enough to get a closer touch w/your higherSelf, and ask it to yield/disclose/tell you, those details?

I know, I know, we all find it hard to concentrate at various times during this process in the noisy material world, but the effort is rewarding in itself, to ease the anxiety of the material mind consciousness. Did that help? I hope so, I tried as best I could to comprehend your full intent of the question.

LB

[Lifebringer]

Posted by turiya (here)
Speaking about Moderators & the moderating system...


I've noticed that its okay for some members to get away with a certain degree of intimidation, slander, conflict-inciting commentary towards another (which tends to be overlooked), while moving to delete the entire post of others that would tend to rebut the said intimidation, slander or conflict provoking cut.

And also, not to overlook, the reprimanding of some that are considered to make derogatory comments towards another when they haven't said anything to anyone in particular, or are merely placing a joke that is to be read by others when nobody else has even complained about it, except for the moderator.

I would also have to add that the moderating system at present fails to allow members that have a disagreement with another to work out their differences in a natural way over time. Instead, they are told to stop communicating with the person altogether, or told to leave the person alone, and/or given a holiday at the discernment of the moderator according to an interpreted intent that may not be correct.

In the interest of Project Avalon,
I'm just saying... as it seems the lines are open.
turiya

I understand PA's stopping the conversation to allow the material ego mind to sort it out. Some are purging and some don't even know why these emotions hanging over them. I believe when the mods observe the conversation, bordering on negative emotion towards another "sorting it out," that it's their way of keeping the site positive and telling the "battlers of ego" to cool off before they lower themselves. Everyone's opinion is welcome, but not always taken with love or understanding. It's part of the job to ensure that spys, negativity(in the rules) and discord be avoided, to ensure not damaging or lowering others vibration when they are trying so hard to shed these emotional chains of the material world of lies and deceit.

If you want to leave this negativity and misery, shed it, don't spread it. Share it, don't blare it.

[Wind]

All I have to say? Hello NSA, keep doing what you do because you're really bad at it. Also, while you're at it, could you order me some gluten free (you wouldn't want to poison me, right?) vegetarian pizza? Thanks.

[Lifebringer]

Posted by Agape (here)
Shezbeth ,

I hope this helps . I've noticed this thread .. last thing I noticed before falling on bed last night and curiously, I spent 40 minutes or restarting and adjusting my Safari browser and computer this morning, with all scripts being somehow distorted , something that does not commonly happen ... Weather conditions .

I've removed several virus from my protection service AVG, but yes, I've noticed a slow down and everything. It could be the weather, w/tornadic activity.
What do you think about homeland security saying don't use explorer, there's an open hole in it for hacking?

I've been thinking if there's a "hole/identifier by cursor" in explorer, they are able to be detected by DOD signature link. Perhaps that's why they now don't want us to use it, because when the cursor is put on the program or temp file or other, it identifies the author of it, and I've caught many a DOD link through my protection snuck in by google toolbar, chrome and others. I don't use 'em. I learned at least 5 years ago, that it's bugged by them, and I try not to give them too much leeway coming in to snoop. They have to go through quite a bit of security scans because I scan at least 2 times a day and catch them. If I only did it once a day, my pc would drag as they snoop, and it's one of the reasons I can tell when "salt" is on my hawk tail.

[Agape]

Posted by Lifebringer (here)

Posted by Agape (here)
Shezbeth ,

I hope this helps . I've noticed this thread .. last thing I noticed before falling on bed last night and curiously, I spent 40 minutes or restarting and adjusting my Safari browser and computer this morning, with all scripts being somehow distorted , something that does not commonly happen ... Weather conditions .

I've removed several virus from my protection service AVG, but yes, I've noticed a slow down and everything. It could be the weather, w/tornadic activity.
What do you think about homeland security saying don't use explorer, there's an open hole in it for hacking?

I've been thinking if there's a "hole/identifier by cursor" in explorer, they are able to be detected by DOD signature link. Perhaps that's why they now don't want us to use it, because when the cursor is put on the program or temp file or other, it identifies the author of it, and I've caught many a DOD link through my protection snuck in by google toolbar, chrome and others. I don't use 'em. I learned at least 5 years ago, that it's bugged by them, and I try not to give them too much leeway coming in to snoop. They have to go through quite a bit of security scans because I scan at least 2 times a day and catch them. If I only did it once a day, my pc would drag as they snoop, and it's one of the reasons I can tell when "salt" is on my hawk tail.

That's how I've got rid of Windows laptop finally, after several crashes and loss of data few years back, no offence to Microsoft , Windows is beautiful software but it's vulnerable to all those viruses and no matter how many times I performed scans and clean ups, there was always some window to it .

And when I was in India last before Winter, I had my Macbook with me and was totally stunned because almost everyone else travelling had them too , with few exceptions, they're not cheap but they seem to remain stable .

All I can possibly recommend - am no computer expert - is clean your browser cookies as soon and fast as possible , avoid fraudulent websites , don't log your information unless any said website is authentic , tried and trustable and well, there are plenty of other does and don'ts .

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Posted by Shezbeth (here)
I post this thread as an appeal to Members, Greeters, Moderators, Administrators, and of course Bill - the man himself. I would appreciate participation and input as regards various efforts to be both of service to the forum participants in particular (whether posting/responding) and the forum in general. To do so, I must establish a few items that are relevant to the inquiry.

1. I recognize and acknowledge the terms and conditions of the forum as a given requisite agreement from which participation is an afforded privilege. Participation is not a 'given right'.

2. I recognize the 'sensitive' nature of much of the information that is openly and freely discussed, in that the information is/would be preferred to remain hidden by one or more parties, entities, agencies, and groups. There are those who would prefer that things were not posted/known.

3. In recognizing the various aforementioned who/that have a vested interest in the maintenance of secrecy to the information contained, I recognize numerous methods by which such agencies et al could/would operate to maintain the control of the information. There are a variety of known ways to prevent posting/discussing.

4. I recognize that I and other participants at Avalon - showing somewhat consistent intuition and recognition of patterns and themes - will sometimes stumble across activity that 'raises red flags' and otherwise allude to the possibility of conscious and/or manipulated adherence to practices by which information can be perpetually and increasingly controlled and hidden. Participants can often catch wind or hints of non-conducive behavior.

5. I recognize that there are numerous methods by which an individual can be tapped, manipulated, or directed to unconsciously participate in the suppression of information or the progression of understanding entirely outside their knowledge, awareness, or intent, especially in recognition of the numerous advancements in mind control and conscious redirection that have been developed and utilized by agenda-driven agencies. There may be those who are assisting in #'s 3 & 4 without their knowledge or consent.

Now to the inquiry:

What - if any - advice can be given regarding an emergent/progressive/proactive strategy toward identification of elements and participation in/around Avalon that might be operating A. well within the terms and conditions and B. outside the interests of open discussion, interaction, and general gravitation toward increasing levels of either truth or the pursuit of?

For simple (and non-exhaustive) reference:

Barry King/Spirit Wolf's whistleblowing videos thread.

The Gentleperson's Guide To Forum Spies

I recognize this information/examples is/are not new, I am simply utilizing it as an indicative/corroborative resource.

I further recognize that the outright elimination of any/all such participation as indicated in the reference is either impossible and/or improbable without eliminating active, legitimate, and sincere participation. Additionally, I recognize that the Moderators and Administrators have very busy lives above and beyond their volunteered participation in/around Avalon. It is not my interest to further encumber or generate obstacle for the aforementioned, rather I would prefer to do the opposite if at all possible.

In illustration: Let us say that one or more members observe, perceive, or detect evidence/indication of active participation/perpetuation of a 'known' Psyop. This example assumes that the individual(s) in question cannot definitively state that the member(s) are participating in a Psyop (knowingly or unknowingly), but that there is an observable trend and course that 'just so happens' to lead in such a direction to the point that one or more 'hackles rise'.

While an individual participant is entitled to their opinion and expressions, there comes a point at which such opinions and expressions trend toward opposition to the spirit - if not the letter - of the expressed purpose of this forum. To this I am equally culpable as only I can be truly aware of the veracity and/or sincerity of my own participation, and those outside of me are limited to observing my expressions and consistencies of behavior.

What prescriptions would be made to respond to this perception of potential non-conducivity? I recognize there is the 'Report Post' option available; Is that specific to the post, or can it be used on a more general basis to indicate non-conducive trends in behavior and purpose? Beyond notifying Mods/Admins, is there a preferable/advisable strategy by which individuals can bring attention to the matter in a more public manner?

Thank you for any and all who take the time to consider and/or respond to this request.

Excuse me, can I enquire why my name and postings have been referenced? Are you inferring or suggesting or implying anything? A straight answer would be appreciated, thanks

[Agape]

Posted by Wind (here)
All I have to say? Hello NSA, keep doing what you do because you're really bad at it. Also, while you're at it, could you order me some gluten free (you wouldn't want to poison me, right?) vegetarian pizza? Thanks.

Wind , do you think they have special team dispatched to cover all the needy PA members ? I think it may be a problem since we are so scattered around the globe and difficult to reach , imagine delivering pizza to where Bill lives in Ecuador ?
It would arrive cold .

[Wind]

Posted by Agape (here)
Wind , do you think they have special team dispatched to cover all the needy PA members ? I think it may be a problem since we are so scattered around the globe and difficult to reach , imagine delivering pizza to where Bill lives in Ecuador ?
It would arrive cold .

I think that they have enough manpower and I'm sure that they can figure out a way to send us those pizzas... Perhaps they could use their highly classified teleportation devices to deliver those pizzas to our front doors? Or maybe they have already invented flying pizza saucers, that could explain why so many people are seeing so many UFO's these days.

[Agape]

I don't mind sending someone my share 'cause I'm absolutely not hungry .

I wish you people have hearts .

[Shezbeth]

First and Foremost - I'm sorry but this is lengthy. Secondly, everything I suggest is a double-edged sword and I recognize that, where each individual criticism is appropriable to me equally and fully.

My decision to reference Spirit Wolf's videos was to provide local, participant testimony and corroboration of the technological capability of unconscious mind control. In them you will find comprehensive explanation and discussion of - among other critical information - the ability of agencies to manipulate and redirect individuals quite outside their knowledge, intent, awareness, or permission. I meant no discredit to Spirit Wolf, and it was to his credit that I felt his work (more than any!) was the most apt reference. I now recognize that I should have been more specific about what part of his disclosure I was referencing; he has covered a lot of ground! The simplified intent of the two references was this:

The first reference - Spirit Wolf's - details what capabilities they possess to influence control over select(?) individuals without their knowing, respective of the time of video publication.

The second reference - the Disinfo and Distraction list - details what they would/can do to influence forum direction/opinion once they are in control of the individuals, towards an agenda.

SW and his work is of the highest caliber IMO, and readers would be well-suited to observing it.

Having said, I am greatly appreciative of the variety and number of responses my inquiry has generated.

Every post has its merit and applicability covering a whole spectrum of perspective and disposition.

The purpose was to incite communication and discussion, which has been achieved by my individual inquiry. At first I was want to wonder how/what 'drone/saucer' pizza delivery pics had any relevance to the inquiry, and yet it is a precise illustration of the circumstances from which I feel inclined to inquire. I'm not hating on the drone pizza at all, I think that's awesome in so many ways!

What I am asking is how should members respond to observed instances of potential distraction and disinfo?

Is there a respectful way to tell a person "I think you're being controlled?, or "I observe evidence of possible outside control in your actions"?

No! I am not suggesting that those posting said pics are engaged in distraction or disinformation. I do however observe that IF there was interest in distracting and disinforming the discussion (a discussion largely ABOUT distraction and disinformation) one could do worse than post pics and discussion of drone/saucer pizza. Spirit Wolf's videos clearly indicate the operant capacity to manipulate selected individuals, which were state-of-the-art at that (respective) time.

To be fair, I can't state with absolute certainty that my penchant for contention is not in some way induced, as any conviction I could express would be subject to any manipulative efforts available. One can't truly know they aren't manipulated, in that any statement, conviction, or perceived lack of manipulation could its self be a manipulated perception. I'm not saying that agencies are controlling every word that is typed, I am suggesting that one's reception to information could be digitally/remotely compromised in a manner less that was imperceptible.

Aren't topics that are of significant interest to the reader/individual often referred and referable to as "Compelling", as in compulsion?
2. having a powerful and irresistible effect; requiring acute admiration, attention, or respect italics by me

As one who observes - and is observed by - other participants as possibly being subject to unconscious manipulation, is there a manner in which it is permissible to respectfully and publicly refute another person's discussion point and/or post if it can be said to be consistent with distraction and disinformation? Can what appears to be a spade be called a spade while conforming to the forum's administrative and social aspirations?

Is an individual permitted to suggest to another individual that:

"[You] may have been zapped during [your] post and [they] request [you] re-do it," either through post or PM? I would prefer to avoid suggesting to the greeters, mods, etc. every time that a post is observably distracting and disinformative, and I would likewise prefer to avoid offending any members.

Of the responses, I principally appreciate those of Donk and Dennis; Donk provides a respectable and pro-active strategy that is immediately and constructively applicable and Dennis gives thoughtful perspective which demonstrates how one's interactions can relate to one's surrounding participants. I take pride (ego?) in my interactions in/on the Forum, and I can conducively apply their contributions in my disposition. Thank you.

I'm not trying/wanting to 'troll' on anyone, I am trying to be constructive. If a serious discussion can be observed to start discussing mainstream/pop 'culture' or 'individuals', the actual discussion can certainly be persevered by the true participants. Said discussion has been nonetheless contaminated by trigger words and concepts that are particularly effective toward less-discerning participants. Is it censorship to delete, modify, or move such posts, even though they may actively cause disinterest and disinformation?

Logical, intelligent, emotional, etc. input is/are expressly welcomed, preferably those that encourage logic, intelligence, emotional, etc. perception.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Most interesting post and I thank you for your kind words re my past. Food for thought for everyone.

[donk]

I think something you and I have in common is impatience at watching the shift from the issue we find important to the one that the "distracting" poster is emotionally attached and finds to be related. The preponderance of that seems to increase, perhaps it's proportional to our ability to discern information and challenge our own beliefs.

That programmed reaction can look exactly like calculated mind control from outside agency...that's why I like supporting the action of clearly stating your own intent (great example, I shared Barry's misunderstanding of why you linked to his thread, you needed to further explain to us that no, Barry or that thread is not an example of what you were talking about, they were good describers of it--huge difference!!), pushing others to reveal their true intent (c'mon shezbeth, spill it!! Who p!ssed you off? )...and approaching both from what agape so brilliantly described in her post, a place of no "sides".

And I don't feel bad about repeating myself on my beliefs on this issue, I think it is important enough to try help others understand. And like all of my favorite or cherished beliefs, I like to put them out there as much as possible to see if they hold up to scrutiny.

[donk]

Oh and yes, I think it is absolutely censorship (or dishonesty) to modify or remove anything. But I am also coming from a place that expects any participants that have a problem with something that's said to be able to handle it maturely.

In the case of blatant ABC agency corp. putting something stupid, it should be pointed out (and continued cr@pping on forum means banning--it's not censorship to prevent someone from speaking, as long it's made clear they are not allowed a forum and why). As to reading the tripe, you can always scroll down, and you don't have to read any post. I don't think you gain anything by deleting...some of us actually enjoy the nonsense sometimes.

"Tidying" up best we can is my preference...but to each their own...and if you are participating in forum where it's in the rules that the owner can, well, it is what it is. I just feel things should kept in the light, it nuetralizes the damage and possibly lessons can be learned

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

The right kind of particle detector would be able to pick up on a human presence anywhere on the globe.
But science as the public knows it won't announce that for a while.

http://link.springer.com/article/10....-9032-9#page-1

[Hervé]

Posted by Shezbeth (here)
[...]

Is an individual permitted to suggest to another individual that:

"[You] may have been zapped during [your] post and [they] request [you] re-do it," either through post or PM? I would prefer to avoid suggesting to the greeters, mods, etc. every time that a post is observably distracting and disinformative, and I would likewise prefer to avoid offending any members.

[...]

The conundrum that everyone a bit more awake than their fellow can't help but run into... and how to avoid boxing with shadows as exemplified with this:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
This is the kind of things you are running into:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

Hypnosis gives the key as to how implanters work out their implants and mind-control the future behaviour of their victims:

The only other time I have personally witnessed what I saw in my son was a time years ago when a friend of mine was hypnotized by her brother in front of me and her boyfriend. Her brother asked me what I would like him to have her do after he woke her up. I wanted to see if she would repeat something that she would considered silly under normal circumstances. I said, have her get up and flush the toilet every time you tug at your collar.

So he gave her the command, then woke her up. He tugged his collar, she got up, went into the bathroom and flushed the toilet, came back and sat down. He tugged his collar again, and she did it again. And again. After three or four times, I finally asked her why she kept getting up to flush the toilet.

First, she just said it needed flushing. She did it again. And again, I asked her why she kept flushing the toilet. Each time I asked her, she would make up some lame reason as to why she had to flush the toilet.

She got more and more annoyed at me for asking, but she did it again and again upon command and could never see that there was anything strange about it.

Her brother hypnotized her once more to release her of the command, but what an amazing thing to have witnessed.

This is what I saw in my son. He could not answer a simple question but only parrot the party line.

[...]

When one gets an inkling that this kind of hypnotic implantation of behaviour and marching orders have been going on for eons on this planet (see this thread:MATRIX REVEALED -- Analysis & Solutions) one can get an idea of the size of the task.

As Simon Parkes put it in one of his interview, paraphrasing one of his ET friends he was disagreeing with about abductions: "They are not supposed to remember!"

Everyone has experienced it at any level: the coming out of teeth and nails to the defense of blatant cognitive dissonance or the obvious parroting of tenets of this or that religion, belief system or school of thoughts; never mind dis-infos or psyop propaganda.... since the "zapped" individuals have been zapped into believing there is nothing wrong with spurting out their cut out cookie-cutter piece every time someone tugs at his/her collar... see?

To me, the most disheartening observation ever made was this one reported by Jon Rappoport:

Jack True, by far the most brilliant hypnotherapist I’ve ever encountered, stopped doing that kind of work [hypnotherapy]. He told me, “I realized new patients walking through my door were already hypnotized, and my job was to wake them up.”

The individuals sensitive to cognitive dissonance like a Raf Morgan give up after being submerged with waves after waves of new (and veteran) forum members still under the spell of "Nothing wrong with that!" Same for individuals sensitive to obvious programming whether religious, cultural, demonic or from "friendly" ETs, etc...

As far as solution go, the only one I found was to collect under one thread all the posts I made about a particular subject once I got fed up of repeating the same thing over and over... every time someone tugged their "comet" collar

I guess it's time for someone to write a book on "Zen and the Art of Forum Riding and Maintenance."

[christian]

Posted by turiya (here)
[T]he best moderation system that I have come across is one whereby nobody knows who the moderators are!

Apart from the obvious fact that it would be too late for that, I think your suggestion is based on the idea that secrecy is needed to protect us from ourselves. I don't agree with that sentiment. It might be so in a group full of psychopaths, because they would then restrain themselves in their actions, but not among a group of people that are genuinely striving to do something good.

Posted by turiya (here)
I've noticed that its okay for some members to get away with a certain degree of intimidation, slander, conflict-inciting commentary towards another [...]

We do communicate with everybody when they act inappropriately, but of course the actions taken are different if for example a certain kind of behavior follows a long history of very polite behavior or of a rather edgy behavior. Like in the case of your vacation now, we actually agreed on sending you on a vacation a month ago after a number of derogatory comments about other members but somehow let you get away...

Posted by turiya (here)
And also, not to overlook, the reprimanding of some that are considered to make derogatory comments towards another when they haven't said anything to anyone in particular, or are merely placing a joke that is to be read by others when nobody else has even complained about it, except for the moderator. I would also have to add that the moderating system at present fails to allow members that have a disagreement with another to work out their differences in a natural way over time. Instead, they are told to stop communicating with the person altogether, or told to leave the person alone, and/or given a holiday at the discernment of the moderator according to an interpreted intent that may not be correct.

If you're not satisfied with the moderation, you're of course free to stay away from this forum. Anyways, I don't know what cases you refer to here. When there is a problem of the kind that you described, I'd appreciate if you'd just drop us a note so we can talk about it. Don't let things pile up inside you and explode in an incomprehensible rant. In general, we encourage people to communicate. If there's a strong disagreement, this communication should in some cases better not be public, however, so that threads don't get derailed. In these cases please use PM's.

All that being said, I think everybody makes mistakes, so do I and the other moderators. But misunderstandings can always be solved amicably, there's no need to go in full confrontation mode after a perceived injustice.

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Posted by Shezbeth (here)
What - if any - advice can be given regarding an emergent/progressive/proactive strategy toward identification of elements and participation in/around Avalon that might be operating A. well within the terms and conditions and B. outside the interests of open discussion, interaction, and general gravitation toward increasing levels of either truth or the pursuit of?

Hey, Shezbeth, thanks for your question! I think most important for everyone is to empower themselves to shield oneself from possible manipulation. As for identifying double agents, please don't do this publicly (i.e. "exposing" someone), we don't want gossip or the targeting of other members. Of course, do communicate about the contents and ideas people share, but if you have serious concerns that someone might be two-faced, please write to the moderators, because after all we'd be the ones to make the call whether or not to take any action. You can both report a particular post or write a PM with a concern that goes deeper than one post.

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No! I am not suggesting that those posting said pics are engaged in distraction or disinformation. I do however observe that IF there was interest in distracting and disinforming the discussion (a discussion largely ABOUT distraction and disinformation) one could do worse than post pics and discussion of drone/saucer pizza. Spirit Wolf's videos clearly indicate the operant capacity to manipulate selected individuals, which were state-of-the-art at that (respective) time.

To be fair, I can't state with absolute certainty that my penchant for contention is not in some way induced, as any conviction I could express would be subject to any manipulative efforts available. One can't truly know they aren't manipulated, in that any statement, conviction, or perceived lack of manipulation could its self be a manipulated perception. I'm not saying that agencies are controlling every word that is typed, I am suggesting that one's reception to information could be digitally/remotely compromised in a manner less that was imperceptible.

Shezbeth , to your utter satisfaction ... please allow me to state something here once and forever .

The quality of our individual expression may differ a lot .. in any particular thread and topic ,
so does the length of written thoughts we are actually willing to share ..

I feel much more in ease now , after your todays response .. and hope you do as well after you've off loaded at least some of your deliberations .

Allow me to state the following please ..with respect for all who share this forum . Coming from different 'walk of life' , most of us are beyond teenage , and are considered righteous and sovereign beings , members of the larger space continuum and temporarily, also this human society .
From that point of view .. everyone has a right to be here .. I would not overstress the privilege to point where any such acquired 'privilege ' can serve as a tool for being 'shaped' by someones ideas ( or rather lack of them ) on how individual expression on any particular topic should really look like .

I know I'm talking of utopia where many individual and collective human rights on this planet are concerned now but at the same time,
it's a life long lesson I experience/d that we should choose our company and society carefully , at least as long as we are so privileged to have a choice .

What I found personally , slightly or more frustrating on the internet , it's blogs and forums in general , is exactly the level of orchestrated mind control that is not permissible among civil , adult individuals and society otherwise ,
to the point ..and as matter of fact that I seldom participate in length in creating such a 'thread of thoughts' unless I'm somehow convinced that it offends no one, is open to everyone to participate in a manner they require .

Realize this please, it's for everybody , your threads don't have limited space .. their success is usually measured by the attractivity of the subject and by people who are happy to contribute, quality is not what emerges immediately .

The forum has more than several thousand members out of whom hundred or two are actually active , out of whom again .. merely tens do post . Have you ever asked yourself why is that ?

Most people .. especially those who are new but many of those who have been here for ages , and their physical age and education standard have actually very little bearing on this , feel shy to post , especially for knowing that they could be 'moderated' .
Even for the fact of being observed, watched, judged according to one or two simple postings , misunderstood and above all 'moderated' by someone they have no idea who they are, where do they stand in the knowledge and experience to compare to their own .

As I've said earlier .. it's not the norm in any civil human society and debate .. unless you are willing part of staged debate or performance , being moderated for the level of your response by a third party .

What is normal though ..is cutting jokes in the middle of even most serious discussion to lighten the topic ,
what is normal again is linking the topic to much broader spectrum of subjects and I can't imagine adult individual ( older than say 4 year old , not mentally challenged ) who would forget the 'thread' in the meantime .. unless they intend to forget it .

It's the way mind functions actually .. and that's how your members are filling the forum with countless threads, isolated isles , each one contains few posts, the more successful ones are slightly longer ..

yet , you are afraid ( now please do not take me, anyone literally ) join one subject with another , lose constant focus on 'topic' ( as if you could ) and some feel 'seriously distracted' by finding 'off topic posts' on their 'on topic thread' .
Now I take that it's a joke .. for any normally thinking individual who thought they've graduated from kindergarden .


To remain more 'on topic' here ... people who intentionally mock or offend others , their discussions , can be usually spotted easily . It's the role of the moderator team in my opinion, to maintain their moral stand and act in cases that be substantiated , IF the moderator team is enough to do that, they deserve applause already.
I know they do much more than that .. but on the other hand ... it's not any of our role here to 'fight n play psy-ops unit' .

I don't believe this would be ethically or practically possible and no , I don't believe that sovereign, well behaving , adult individuals should be 'moderated' on behalf of some kind of suspicion leading to ideas such 'has his/her posting been influenced by A or B' .

Further you ask , state , 'no one can know whether they're being so influenced' , I'd respectfully disagree .
If I do agree .. it'd be only and nothing else than 'party joke' .

To remain sober , knowing yourself .. and finding whether you're being influenced, by whom or not, is your sole responsibility and not anyones else's and it would be culturally unacceptable for me to tell someone - unless between very close friends and in private - I think you're being influenced by A or B .

Unless I know the other closely and we are good friends and I actually know what I am saying, I'd not consider this socially acceptable solution to expose such other in open , make him/her vulnerable, hurt etc .

There may be exceptions to the rule ..but they should remain exceptional .

I suppose .. suspect that it 's exactly this 'new style' of cultural coarseness that is not acceptable in standard human exchange on any level but is solely taking place on the internet at the moment, shaping this environment to one of new vistas ,
futuristic visions, but also , idealistic fears and nightmares .. that are actually , simultaneously revolving in the 'matrix style' in presence .

As someone else ( Zaya ) stated in newly opened thread today, 'we are the co-creators' of this drama .

Perhaps I should conclude the post remembering the old master Lao'tze , and where he said that 'the most perfect form has no measures ,
and the deepest container has no bottom ,
so everything that shows perfection carries the signs of its own decay ..' and so forth.


So also , hopefully none has been offended by my contribution..


My sore eyes are thoroughly and solely responsible for all my typos.