Meditation, and any work with Chi or Prana may invite possession by Jinn

[onawah]

Yes, certainly I noticed, but I wanted to bring the new Wingmakers "interview" to the attention of the readers of this thread if they had not yet noticed it.
I have not finished reading the Wingmakers interview yet myself (I hope to finish it tonight), and it's in pdf form, which I don't know how to copy and paste, and that makes discussion more difficult and time consuming.
There is such a lot of material there that discussion will only be interesting if everyone involved has read it, which I doubt is the case as yet.
And, finally, I don't have a lot of time just now...

[Shezbeth]

Without diving into 80 pages of information,....

It is certainly within the threshold of possibility that the Djinn are comparable/same as the Annunaki, but that strikes me as less plausible. I find it far more plausible to think of the Djinn (at least, in comparison to them being potentially the fabric of the 'real and physical') as the Demiurge (Archons, arch-angels/demons, etc). Certainly though, neither can be ruled out.

If I recall, the Annunaki were the Sumerian deities that may have originated and/or resided on Wormwood/Nibiru (and likely still do in that event). If I were to further recall, the Annunaki were the offspring and/or the genetic combination of native homonids and the Demiurge. If my recollection is accurate, that would put the Annunaki more long the lines of the Draconis reptilians than the Djinn, though either grouping is said to be sufficiently advanced to operate in a similar superior manner as relates to humans and Earth.

I for one will peruse the information presented when available, but consuming 80 pages isn't/shouldn't be a prerequisite to continuing an ongoing discussion IMO.

[onawah]

I wasn't meaning to suggest that consuming 80 pages of information from Wingmakers should be a prerequisite to continuing an ongoing discussion.
I just thought the info might be of interest.
My definition of the Annunaki's identity, history, source, etc. has changed considerably after reading Simon Parkes' thread, and the Wingmakers interview is corroborating that new definition.
But it's complicated, and I couldn't really summarize it with clarity in one conversation, particularly with my current time constraints.
It was not my intention to disrupt this thread, just to make a small contribution, hopefully.

Posted by Shezbeth (here)
Without diving into 80 pages of information,....

It is certainly within the threshold of possibility that the Djinn are comparable/same as the Annunaki, but that strikes me as less plausible. I find it far more plausible to think of the Djinn (at least, in comparison to them being potentially the fabric of the 'real and physical') as the Demiurge (Archons, arch-angels/demons, etc). Certainly though, neither can be ruled out.

If I recall, the Annunaki were the Sumerian deities that may have originated and/or resided on Wormwood/Nibiru (and likely still do in that event). If I were to further recall, the Annunaki were the offspring and/or the genetic combination of native homonids and the Demiurge. If my recollection is accurate, that would put the Annunaki more long the lines of the Draconis reptilians than the Djinn, though either grouping is said to be sufficiently advanced to operate in a similar superior manner as relates to humans and Earth.

I for one will peruse the information presented when available, but consuming 80 pages isn't/shouldn't be a prerequisite to continuing an ongoing discussion IMO.

[Shezbeth]

Posted by DNA (here)
Phillip J. Imbrogno and Rosemary Ellen Guiley talk about the Djinn in this interview here, and they seem to know what they are talking about.

I very much appreciate this interview, it is relatively simple and concise. The theories and ideas are presented in a manner that does not contest existing theories and concepts such as appear in this thread. I found it quite compelling and voluntarily continued through the other 4 parts of the video. I'm not saying it is authoritative, but it certainly makes an effective attempt to approach an authoritative discourse.

Posted by onawah (here)
... I think information from the recent addition to the Wingmakers site is relevant to this discussion.

Respectfully, I disagree. Admittingly, I only read the first 30+ pages before I became unwilling to continue; I recognize that the subject matter might become flush with what I would agree to being compelling information, but I am in doubt. In particular, I found the interviewee's stance of presumed authority to be distasteful and discrediting, especially considering the questionable origin of the information.

Further admitting, one could easily level such charges against the examples, theories, perceptions, and 'reasonable' conclusions I and others present in this discussion, but this is why there seems an absence of definitive conviction to the information presented beyond a theoretical basis; Dr. Neruda expresses no such doubt, even when sometimes relying on the presumed authority of the Wingmakers he refers to.

In all fairness there are observably consistent ideas and references made such as the trans-humanist movement among the elite, but the conclusions that lead to and result of those observable consistencies is at times awkward, loose, and in some cases incredible (especially page ~27 IMO). Individual results may vary.

I am not saying that there is no room for discussion of this material at all, I am admitting a personal failure to see how the information presented is relevant/applicable to the this one.
I am also (not-so) subtly alluding to several phenomenon that have been mentioned/referenced variously over the course of the discussion.

[DNA]

Posted by onawah (here)
Yes, certainly I noticed, but I wanted to bring the new Wingmakers "interview" to the attention of the readers of this thread if they had not yet noticed it.
I have not finished reading the Wingmakers interview yet myself (I hope to finish it tonight), and it's in pdf form, which I don't know how to copy and paste, and that makes discussion more difficult and time consuming.
There is such a lot of material there that discussion will only be interesting if everyone involved has read it, which I doubt is the case as yet.
And, finally, I don't have a lot of time just now...

I found the wingmakers material compelling. I think it does a poor job of painting the picture in so far as it relates to the enormity of our worlds black budget, underground city breakaway civilization.
I'm guessing you are making a correlation between the fallen angelic types who habitat biological robots with the Djinn?

I can see where you could take this, I suppose there is no way to argue for or against it.

One of the things I found that correlates with the wingmakers idea of souls that wish to step out of the natural order set by God and reside in bodies of robotic manufacture was the ALIEN INTERVIEW by Matilda MacElroy.



In the WingMakers information, we find talk of a race of biological robots from another galaxy, these robots do indeed have souls. And they find life such as ours invaluable for our genetic, or DNA input that they may or may not incorporate into their own.



John Lear is the reason I read the Alien Interview, he recommends it even though it has been proven a work of fiction. The story Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy - Alien Interview is a free PDF which can be found on Mr. Lear's website.

In "Alien Interview"
We have a nurse who claims she was present at one of the flying saucer crash retrievals. She mentions that the alien telepathically contacted her, and that try as some of the other millitary men did do communicate with it, all was to no avail, it only communicated with MacElroy.

The "being", explained to her, that it was a biological robot, that it needed to be so because sending resource needy life forms like ourselves would be near impossible when it came to space travel over vast distances requiring long periods of time being spent in the ship.

The being also explained,,,that it had a soul,,,and that it had full memory of it's past lives. The being explained that it was part of a civilization that "created" bodies and the "soul" had the ability to download into them as "she" had done.
The biological robot was female.
Life times had different meanings for these robots with souls, because they could create a new body as they needed one, and they had full memory of their past lives.

The biological robot when on to explain a creation mythos on earth that was very much in line with the thinking in Robert Morning Sky's Terra Papers, and Zacharia Sitchin's works.

In the Alien Interview it was said that there was a vast Empire in our galaxy, and that earth was populated by the unwanted souls of this Empire, and the souls were kept incarnating here by means of a technological prison loop.

You see, the Empire didn't want the souls in the Empire anymore for various reasons not limited to but including, rebeliousness, innovative thinking, criminal behavior, deviant behavior, autonomy and tax evasion.

The alien explained to MacElroy that not only did this contraption work on the souls of all humans,,,,,,but,,,any way faring space travelers who might be passing through this area of space would be trapped here by the technological contraption as well.

I find that last part very interesting, because I'm always looking for strange data to corrolate and ping.
And this is some strange ping data indeed.

While I was trying to absorb the Billy Meier material from a set of audio tapes by Randolph Winters, I came across a small piece of information that caused my ears to perk. Meier was reported as asking, "can you be born on other planets"? To which it was replied to him "No, you can not be born on another planet, unless you travel there by body and then die".

Could the Djinn be like the entities talked about in the Wingmakers story and the Alien Inteview story?
I don't think so.
I don't think the Djinn are interested in traveling through space. It seems the Djinn are just another piece in the big picture or puzzle. But that is just my take.

[wnlight]

I have seen much fear expressed in this thread. Remember, We have nothing to fear but fear itself. Whether I walk in the physical world or venture beyond it, I walk with the protection of my angels. Ask your angels to protect you. I frequently ask them to protect me from all who might harm me - and also protect me from my own foolishness. ;-)

[Shezbeth]

Posted by wnlight (here)
I have seen much fear expressed in this thread. Remember, We have nothing to fear but fear itself. Whether I walk in the physical world or venture beyond it, I walk with the protection of my angels. Ask your angels to protect you. I frequently ask them to protect me from all who might harm me - and also protect me from my own foolishness.

You are welcome to your opinion, and thank you for expressing it; I do not interpret fear, and I am most interested to learn how you reach this conclusion. My impression has been one of open discussion and disclosure based on personal experiences, references, and insight/perception, with a general feeling of honest and intent-driven pursuit of a greater, if not understanding than general development of theories and ideas.

Could you relate your experiences with your angels? Depending on perception there is and can be either a world of - or little to no - difference between the entities who one is interacting with whether called Djinn, Angels, Demiurge, Archons, etc.

It is (or is it?) conducive to ask protection of entities one can trust and rely on especially in a world of unseens and unknowns. On the other hand, it is equally(?) conducive to pursue a refinement and conscious/dispositional development from which one needn't ask for protection, as one can learn to operate in a manner by which protection is unnecessary. Additionally, many of the circumstances by which an individual can be subject to individuals/forces from which protection would be desired are in some way resultant of decisions and modes of operation that leave one open to being subject to such forces.

A literal example of this would be mountain trails, where a wild animal encounter is relatively possible, plausible, and probable. While one certainly can venture to and from such locales without incident, if one makes regular habit of doing so one might be subjecting themselves to an increasing probability of encounter. Should one find one's self facing off with a wild animal that might result in an adverse consequence, asking for protection is certainly one way to go about responding to the situation. Personally, I prefer to plan ahead and have tools and resources to discourage and/or defeat adversaries. Is that a fear-based response?

There is a fine line between the concepts of 'fear' and 'the strategic mediation of potential threats and circumstances'. In chess, protecting one's king is not an expression of fear but rather an expression of practical strategy. Moreover, one might find that they can as effectively, easily, and practically identify - and eliminate - expressions of their own foolishness through critical analysis as they can through prayer.

I am not advocating against prayer, quite the contrary! However, prayer is often used in lieu of an individual's creator-given faculties and abilities, alluding to the phrase "Trust in God, but lock your doors."

Additionally, I should clarify that I am not one who personifies 'the creator' or 'God', I use such terms to simply indicate an (IMO) incomprehensible phenomenon, in the same way that native traditions refer to 'The Great Mystery'.

- Posted Today 13:37 (from my timezone).

[Shezbeth]

In many ways I am appreciative of this example, as it depicts precisely the phenomenon referred to in earlier sections of this discussion.

Let us say that an individual with their respective agreements (and potential for entities in their proximity) will react adversely to open discourse, discussion, and pursuits that are inconsistent and/or contrary to their preferences, desires, and agendas. In a way, this could be considered a low-level manifestation of the "Agent Smith" scenario mentioned here and in other similar threads.

I can understand why there could be and is reticence and apprehension in the minds of individuals in approaching and broaching topics of a 'taboo' nature such as and including the Djinn; beyond Islamic traditions much of them has been written, and rightfully promotes caution. There is significant distinction between caution and fear however, yet which is the more accurate expression of fear; apprehension/reticence or caution?

Food for thought: What color was Krishna alleged to be?

http://www.djinnuniverse.com/types-of-djinn

By that reference, I'm not saying "Krishna was a Djinn", I'm saying that in a certain perspective, the stories of Krishna are consistent with descriptions of the behavior of a type of Djinn - particularly the Marid - which are the Djinn most associated with stories of granting wishes. The 'wish-granting' Djinn are themselves associated with residing in and springing forth from a 'lamp'.

I'll try to find some links to reference, but it seems most definitively probable that the lamp in question is the pineal gland, and the 'rubbing' of it is the stimulation, decalcification, and excitation that allows the Djinn to spring forth.

My overall point is that interaction with Djinn, whether in conjunction with or isolated from previous theories about their specific natures, is part of the natural progression of one who is actively utilizing, nourishing, and working with their pineal gland, commonly referred to as the third eye.

I would further suggest that the type, nature, and disposition of the Djinn one would at that point encounter would be directly proportional and consistent to/with the disposition of the individual, and the individual's disposition is directly proportional and consistent to/with their agreements. I'm not saying that one needs to have disbanded all their non-conducive agreements 'or else' one will encounter a gnarly Djinn, but I am saying one's nature and disposition ought be of a progressive direction from which one is/would-be working to discard non-conducive agreements.

It was indicated earlier that Djinn have a varying spectrum of types and intentions, not dissimilar to the manner in which humanity expresses variance. It has been elsewhere suggested that the Djinn may out-number humanity by approximately 100 to 1 (depending on estimates). Regardless the exact figures, it would be nearly outside the threshold of possibility (IMO) to suggest that there isn't at least one Djinn to 'match' the disposition of any and all humans, especially in observance that much of the human species may possess less active, calcified, and otherwise dormant pineal glands.

Simply put I am alleging that: When a person further activates or excites their pineal gland (the lamp) the natural result is the appearance of a Djinn. The nature and type of that Djinn is in proportion to the nature and disposition of the person; people who seek selfish control and power over others will be 'presented' with authoritarian, dictatorial, and domineering (non-conducive) Djinn, whereas individuals seeking sovereign control and authority over themselves will find Djinn of a willingness, experience, and competence to assist (conducive).

While the former, acting from a standpoint of greater spiritual and metaphysical potential (and a want to make predatory use of) could be easily considered 'demonic' - even 'draconian' - in nature. The latter could likewise be considered 'angelic', or at least benevolent.

I see no fear in discussing, observing, and considering this information. I see fear in the adverse refusal to discuss/consider such information. Further, I welcome anyone who wishes to argue to the contrary.

[PurpleLama]

Posted by Shezbeth (here)
In many ways I am appreciative of this example, as it depicts precisely the phenomenon referred to in earlier sections of this discussion.

Let us say that an individual with their respective agreements (and potential for entities in their proximity) will react adversely to open discourse, discussion, and pursuits that are inconsistent and/or contrary to their preferences, desires, and agendas. In a way, this could be considered a low-level manifestation of the "Agent Smith" scenario mentioned here and in other similar threads.

I can understand why there could be and is reticence and apprehension in the minds of individuals in approaching and broaching topics of a 'taboo' nature such as and including the Djinn; beyond Islamic traditions much of them has been written, and rightfully promotes caution. There is significant distinction between caution and fear however, yet which is the more accurate expression of fear; apprehension/reticence or caution?

Food for thought: What color was Krishna alleged to be?

http://www.djinnuniverse.com/types-of-djinn

By that reference, I'm not saying "Krishna was a Djinn", I'm saying that in a certain perspective, the stories of Krishna are consistent with descriptions of the behavior of a type of Djinn - particularly the Marid - which are the Djinn most associated with stories of granting wishes. The 'wish-granting' Djinn are themselves associated with residing in and springing forth from a 'lamp'.

I'll try to find some links to reference, but it seems most definitively probable that the lamp in question is the pineal gland, and the 'rubbing' of it is the stimulation, decalcification, and excitation that allows the Djinn to spring forth.

My overall point is that interaction with Djinn, whether in conjunction with or isolated from previous theories about their specific natures, is part of the natural progression of one who is actively utilizing, nourishing, and working with their pineal gland, commonly referred to as the third eye.

I would further suggest that the type, nature, and disposition of the Djinn one would at that point encounter would be directly proportional and consistent to/with the disposition of the individual, and the individual's disposition is directly proportional and consistent to/with their agreements. I'm not saying that one needs to have disbanded all their non-conducive agreements 'or else' one will encounter a gnarly Djinn, but I am saying one's nature and disposition ought be of a progressive direction from which one is/would-be working to discard non-conducive agreements.

It was indicated earlier that Djinn have a varying spectrum of types and intentions, not dissimilar to the manner in which humanity expresses variance. It has been elsewhere suggested that the Djinn may out-number humanity by approximately 100 to 1 (depending on estimates). Regardless the exact figures, it would be nearly outside the threshold of possibility (IMO) to suggest that there isn't at least one Djinn to 'match' the disposition of any and all humans, especially in observance that much of the human species may possess less active, calcified, and otherwise dormant pineal glands.

Simply put I am alleging that: When a person further activates or excites their pineal gland (the lamp) the natural result is the appearance of a Djinn. The nature and type of that Djinn is in proportion to the nature and disposition of the person; people who seek selfish control and power over others will be 'presented' with authoritarian, dictatorial, and domineering (non-conducive) Djinn, whereas individuals seeking sovereign control and authority over themselves will find Djinn of a willingness, experience, and competence to assist (conducive).

While the former, acting from a standpoint of greater spiritual and metaphysical potential (and a want to make predatory use of) could be easily considered 'demonic' - even 'draconian' - in nature. The latter could likewise be considered 'angelic', or at least benevolent.

I see no fear in discussing, observing, and considering this information. I see fear in the adverse refusal to discuss/consider such information. Further, I welcome anyone who wishes to argue to the contrary.

This especially dovetails with my own experience and understanding of the mental and spiritual realms, and how they work.

[Shezbeth]

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
This especially dovetails with my own experience and understanding of the mental and spiritual realms, and how they work.

Precisely. Whether humans are an expression of other realms, other realms are an expression of humans, or they are all interconnected (which is and has been one of the salient points of this discussion), an individual is predisposed to be fearful of the Djinn one encounters only if one is already predisposed to fear and attracts/draws that nature/type of entity/-ies into their surroundings. Further, that the perception of fear is consequent to the presence of fear in the individual and not necessarily in what is observed by the individual. I could be wrong, but what I speak is consistent with numerous treatises and information that references/indicates the interconnection and correspondence of all things seen and unseen.

It might seem overly contentious, but it occurs to me that the perception of need to rely on unseen entities (such as Angels) for protection is derived from some of the same non-conducive agreements also discussed previously. Whether one chooses to allow outside entities to participate in their natural individual agenda or they actively exclude such entities from participation, the idea that one needs any outside participation, intervention, or assistance is an agreement.

Is it a liberating agreement, or a confining agreement?

[DNA]

I was just curious as to if anybody had an opinion on this.

I hadn't seen an episode of this show until a buddy of mine suggested I see this certain episode.
It's one of those psychic detective ghost shows.
But I did find the episode kind of unique. In it, the psychic talks about seeing these tall, like 10-12 ft apparitions, and basically states that she did not feel they were human or had been human. She stated she had never seen anything like it before. They kind of reminded me of the "DEMENTORS" from the Harry Potter movies.

I was just hoping to get an opinion on it.
The show is THE DEAD FILES, and the episode is Season 5 Episode 12
The video entry I made is from DAILYMOTION.COM



You can see a sketch artist rendition of what the psychic saw at 39:58 into the video.

[Delight]

One of the ideas I have been looking at is that we cannot experience anything that in some way is not invoked by our state. To enter in to the sea of consciousness beyond ordinary states will be quite the same as down the block. If one is seeking to steal as a thief, one will likely meet many others similar and maybe we get robbed? This is just one "character" aspect but from everything I know, we attract that which is like us.

In some meditations with deities, people contemplate qualities of that deity trying to "take the qualities" on. This kind of practice has many names and qualities to invoke. But the interesting part is that when one can imagine the deities and contemplate qualities, they are FOUND within. The eventual realization is that these qualities are ours too. We discover they are within as we are containing all. The unconscious way of "life" is automatic identification like "This is me Popeye" as "I yam what I yam and that's all what I yam".

The conscious way is knowing these are states and being able to release what is not in our best interests. And also, having the wisdo that even if I am tempted to have a certain character, what pursuing its "consequences" will bring. one can choose.

I actually don't think there is a "right or wrong" but more and less helpful to one's purpose. I also believe seeking perfection is not what the empowerment is at all...consciousness and choice is what looks attractive to me.

Before having any grasp, people do try to reach and there are messes. Unfortunately a primitive "character" yields meetings with that level. In fact, one can actually make that a case that no messy relationship has less than two people at work.

I am positive that there are people of all kinds we will meet and many are not 3D. Maybe some are on the fence about interdimensionals and wondering? The idea I have is we only meet certain ones like us. It is much like star wars bars of many many characters. So tend to thy own character first.

The inebriated bully in the bar stares down another "patron" and says menacingly "What are you looking at?". The response will lead to a fight if the next guy is also a bully OR a BULLIED person unsure of how to neutralize an argumentative drunk. Both expect a fight.

This is IMO true anywhere and is like a miracle realization when one begins grasping that even when one fights, one can make really great use of the information for next time.

I know people who study hermetics and some who seek to be magicians. The reason is not all the same. Some IMO start from a belief in one's powerless state, seeking a remedy. One of the greatest Mages who ever lived IMO was Geman-Czech named Franz Bardon...a GREAT man I think. He laid out in books a way for anyone to approach hermetic yoga. If one starts with his first book and follows conscientiously and seriously, it seems as if by the end of the practices, anyone actually doing the work is wiser! Someone starting out seeking and grasping for "power" IF using the yoga will not be so immature. It is as if having learned how powerful one is, there is no need to overpower?

In his second book, Franz Bardon talks about "evocation"...calling on the powers....The important point I think is that almost every single place I look I see the same direction for resumption of our real purpose and power...in the heart and awakening the divine within that is capable of meeting forces in "friendship".

Those familiar with other, popular forms of “evocation” only may think that evocation is usually done of demonic forces, and that these forces are constrained or bound to the magician’s service. Bardon would be the first to say that this is nothing but rank sorcery. A Hermetic magician is less concerned with binding demons to find hidden treasures, and the like, than he is with making friends with intelligences of higher order. Some of the beings he will meet in the spheres will be individual souls at various points within their own development, while others will be angelic in nature. Either way, they are to be tested (to see whether benevolent or malevolent), and then either befriended or rejected. Once befriended, a planar being may then be asked for permission to evoke. The practitioner of Hermetic evocation need never evoke a being against its will! To do so is not only criminal, it is also counterproductive.

In Hindu Tantra, it is known that each chakra is “ruled” by a specific Devatā. As one raises one’s awareness from chakra to chakra (viewed as microcosmic anchors of the corresponding planes), the relevant deva is invoked and then made the subject-object of identification. Thus, one sees oneself as the deva and the deva as oneself, never denying that the deva is independent of the individual psyche (jīvā) but exists within the Immanent-Transcendent Self (Ātmā). The same concept obtains for the evoked beings of Hermetic evocation. In order to befriend an entity, the magician must first empathize with it; he must then be able to fully identify with that entity and with the forces of its home-sphere in order to be able to make a temporary home for it on the physical plane and then gently welcome it to that home. Thus, Bardon’s evocation is first a process of invocation (drawing-inward and identification) followed by evocation (projecting outward). Even the better-known demonic evocation of popular occultism (such as that taught in Crowley’s Thelema, etc.) uses the method of first invoking and then evoking the being in question, though the sorcerer usually does not realize it. Just as the Hermetic or Tantric evocation of a devonic intelligence begins to awaken the seven upper chakras (or the planetary sephiroth, depending upon model) the sorcerer’s evocation of a demonic or asuric intelligence draws consciousness down into the cthonic and infernal lower chakras (qlippoth); that which is evoked is always invoked first, whether we realize it or not, and so activated within the soul of the individual.Bardon's Practice of magical Evocation

[Delight]

I'd like to share something that is really invigorating.

My sister is following Tibetan Buddhism. She considers Tsultrim Allione one of her teachers.

http://taramandala.org/about/lama-tsultrim-2/

http://www.amazon.com/Feeding-Your-D.../dp/0316013137

Last night my sister shared an invocation of transforming personal demon to ones' ally. I used it (maybe not exactly as the teacher taught) and had a powerful experience.

Two chairs are used and one moves back and forth between chairs as in transactional analysis.

First one observes a personal demon in form, a "demonic" force from ones' self.
I focused on letting the vision just rise up, seeing one with no preconception of "what it is".

I saw sitting across from me, a dusky ashen skeleton thin person with lank black hair. It was slumped. It seemed like a "hungry ghost" is what i thought.

I addressed the demon and asked what it "wants".

Then I went and sat and felt the demon as me. It said "I am starving. No one pays attention to me. no one cares. I might as well be dead. It expressed that it is angry and thinks it may as well have no desires as none would be fulfilled. It said it cares about nothing because it has only being deprived.

Then one from the other chair feeds the demon. It can be done as one feels to do that but one needs to fully satiate the demon with energy.

Then the form will change or dissolve and a new form take its place.

I saw a beautiful soft feminine form.

One asks "Are you my ally?" Move back to the "form's" place and feel what the answer is.
One moves back and forth asking until an ally says "yes".

Then ask the ally, "How may you help me? How may i contact you?"

As I sat with the ally of this feminine form, It told me that the help for me could be knowing my desires. "She" could help me with a soft inviting cuddly interface with people so they would "hear" me. I would be approachable and inviting to those involved with my intentions created from my desires. I could feel fulfilled by my interactions.

She said she could be with me anytime I asked for her by her name. I incorporated her into myself.

Then I met another demon. It was again androgenous looking, thin too but not skeletal and had sores all over its body and the clothes were synthetic and ugly.

Going through the process, I learned that the demon said: "I am itchy and cannot settle down. I feel deprived too and envious of what others "have"." It said it doesn't want others to have what it does not and fights jealousy. It said it cannot do anything and cannot move and has nothing it desires. It wants to be able to be in one spot without itching. It wants feeling good and it wants having what it needs. It wants organic and beautiful. I felt this demon like "lack consciousness itself".

The first shift of the demonic form was to someone like an oriental in an emerald green robe with gold embroidery dripping with gem stones and jewellery . This form dissolved. Then I saw a fir tree with hanging "objects". Sitting with it this ally said she/he can help me know and trust everything I ever desire is within reach.

It gave me the picture of always being next to me so I could just reach out. It mused that it is The Gift Giving Tree. It has every gift. I don't have to be the one to bring the gifts as it will bring them when I ask. I will be able to be relaxed knowing the "gift" does not have to come from me. It can come through me. RELIEF.

The way to reach the gift giving tree was to JUST reach out! That made sense! I KNOW how thinking there is pervasive lack makes me "hold back". And lately I felt I have nothing to give.

I asked about the lottery.

This "lottery" idea has always been a desire...to have huge sums of cash and it is beyond being in lack for me. I always fantasized about treasure. I could spend millions easily building environmental systems and I admit "playing with money" is my dream in itself...to have in my capacity to spend anything JUST BECAUSE.

The tree communicated trust that writing desires in mundane life is like gathered leaves, unlimited for creation.
The tree's opinion of the lottery was mixed because it is my dream but also more elegant to just have when necessary rather than in a pile.

But the ally agreed it could help me by feeding the "dream" with its energy. It GREW in size and I hung up the latest lottery ticket which became a fruit and then I incorporated the tree into myself. When will the fruit ripen? I felt very free about the timing. I still love the dream of the lottery.

The final idea I received is that instead of trying to avoid feeding demons, we will enjoy feeding our allies. They are ourselves and they also are mythic, and maybe "real" in some other dimension but acknowledging the meaning FOR our aid empowers us in this life as we call on them consciously.

[DNA]

Posted by Delight (here)
I'd like to share something that is really invigorating.

My sister is following Tibetan Buddhism. She considers Tsultrim Allione one of her teachers.

http://taramandala.org/about/lama-tsultrim-2/

http://www.amazon.com/Feeding-Your-D.../dp/0316013137

Last night my sister shared an invocation of transforming personal demon to ones' ally. I used it (maybe not exactly as the teacher taught) and had a powerful experience.

Two chairs are used and one moves back and forth between chairs as in transactional analysis.

First one observes a personal demon in form, a "demonic" force from ones' self.
I focused on letting the vision just rise up, seeing one with no preconception of "what it is".

I saw sitting across from me, a dusky ashen skeleton thin person with lank black hair. It was slumped. It seemed like a "hungry ghost" is what i thought.

I addressed the demon and asked what it "wants".

Then I went and sat and felt the demon as me. It said "I am starving. No one pays attention to me. no one cares. I might as well be dead. It expressed that it is angry and thinks it may as well have no desires as none would be fulfilled. It said it cares about nothing because it has only being deprived.

Then one from the other chair feeds the demon. It can be done as one feels to do that but one needs to fully satiate the demon with energy.

Then the form will change or dissolve and a new form take its place.

I saw a beautiful soft feminine form.

One asks "Are you my ally?" Move back to the "form's" place and feel what the answer is.
One moves back and forth asking until an ally says "yes".

Then ask the ally, "How may you help me? How may i contact you?"

As I sat with the ally of this feminine form, It told me that the help for me could be knowing my desires. "She" could help me with a soft inviting cuddly interface with people so they would "hear" me. I would be approachable and inviting to those involved with my intentions created from my desires. I could feel fulfilled by my interactions.

She said she could be with me anytime I asked for her by her name. I incorporated her into myself.

Then I met another demon. It was again androgenous looking, thin too but not skeletal and had sores all over its body and the clothes were synthetic and ugly.

Going through the process, I learned that the demon said: "I am itchy and cannot settle down. I feel deprived too and envious of what others "have"." It said it doesn't want others to have what it does not and fights jealousy. It said it cannot do anything and cannot move and has nothing it desires. It wants to be able to be in one spot without itching. It wants feeling good and it wants having what it needs. It wants organic and beautiful. I felt this demon like "lack consciousness itself".

The first shift of the demonic form was to someone like an oriental in an emerald green robe with gold embroidery dripping with gem stones and jewellery . This form dissolved. Then I saw a fir tree with hanging "objects". Sitting with it this ally said she/he can help me know and trust everything I ever desire is within reach.

It gave me the picture of always being next to me so I could just reach out. It mused that it is The Gift Giving Tree. It has every gift. I don't have to be the one to bring the gifts as it will bring them when I ask. I will be able to be relaxed knowing the "gift" does not have to come from me. It can come through me. RELIEF.

The way to reach the gift giving tree was to JUST reach out! That made sense! I KNOW how thinking there is pervasive lack makes me "hold back". And lately I felt I have nothing to give.

I asked about the lottery.

This "lottery" idea has always been a desire...to have huge sums of cash and it is beyond being in lack for me. I always fantasized about treasure. I could spend millions easily building environmental systems and I admit "playing with money" is my dream in itself...to have in my capacity to spend anything JUST BECAUSE.

The tree communicated trust that writing desires in mundane life is like gathered leaves, unlimited for creation.
The tree's opinion of the lottery was mixed because it is my dream but also more elegant to just have when necessary rather than in a pile.

But the ally agreed it could help me by feeding the "dream" with its energy. It GREW in size and I hung up the latest lottery ticket which became a fruit and then I incorporated the tree into myself. When will the fruit ripen? I felt very free about the timing. I still love the dream of the lottery.

The final idea I received is that instead of trying to avoid feeding demons, we will enjoy feeding our allies. They are ourselves and they also are mythic, and maybe "real" in some other dimension but acknowledging the meaning FOR our aid empowers us in this life as we call on them consciously.

I felt like I just read a story penned by Carlos Castaneda. High praise in case you were wondering.
Very cool stuff.
I'm absolutely interested to hear how things go for you.
If you ever wish to share your musings or experiences feel free to PM them if you are hesitant to post on a thread.

Absolutely wonderful stuff.
By the way, I"m a huge fan of transactional analysis, and I recognized the chair technique right away.
I've had positive experiences with that myself.
Borrowed the technique from the book "Born to Win" of which I am a very big fan of.

Thank you
Look forward to hearing more from you

[birddog]

I agree Wnlight. Ask protection before you meditate. I always pray first, and then ask my guides and the angels to go with me, and guide me where I need to go when I go out of body or meditate. We need to meditate to contact our guides, and recieve guidance from the spirit. One can also sourround themselves in a bubble of white light, and then I say...just as the good only comes from me, let only the good come to me. I have always been protected.

Do not give in to this fear... Fear is the opposite of Love. Work with the energy of Love.

[Shezbeth]

Posted by birddog (here)
I agree Wnlight

Splendid! Perhaps in your agreement you will be willing to indicate where you are perceiving fear!

Ask protection before you meditate. I always pray first, and then ask my guides and the angels to go with me

Why are you convinced that you want/need protection? Are you maintaining non-conducive agreements, behaviors, or dispositions that can be exploited? Have you been in some way remiss in your affairs from which there is a perception of impotence or incapability? Are you unable to whup some proverbial (non-physical) behind?

guide me where I need to go when I go out of body or meditate. We need to meditate to contact our guides, and recieve guidance from the spirit.

Okay, the latter sentence is entirely in conflict with my experience to the point of absurdity. I wouldn't rule out that that is a method that may have worked for you and/or others, but the claim that "We need" is laughable IMO. Moreover, I am curious (alarmed?) of this expression of 'need' ("guide me where I need to go"); surely you are capable of going to where you 'need' to on your own merit and ability.

just as the good only comes from me, let only the good come to me.

Right there! There, you did it just now! THAT is why you would 'need' protection, because non-physical realms are not appreciative of wanton

... and will actively resource-manage (have their way with ) those who are foolish enough to practice it.

I can understand numerous reasons why an individual could/would be convinced that your former sentence is true; indeed, you are welcome to that perception. I suggest however, that such statements are uninformed in the least, and delusional in the extreme. One may actively seek that only 'good' comes from them - even IF the term 'good' wasn't a contextually biased agreement and over-simplification of circumstance - but that does not make it so. Further, one cannot push a pendulum off its center indefinitely; eventually it swings both ways (often violently depending on how aggressively it was pushed in a particular direction).

Though, statements like the former are usually uttered by those unwilling (consciously or unconsciously) to recognize/admit to those 'not-good' pendulum swings. Further, they are often the easiest to manipulate by non-physical entities.

Of course, that's clearly not the case here, I'm just referring to others who happen to claim the same.

IME, praying for protection is like calling for a police escort to deal with the potential of an intruder, assailant, or otherwise. I'm not saying that it doesn't work; I'm saying that there are more sovereign ways of dealing with circumstances.

If an individual wants to be respected (I didn't say liked) by non-physical entities, they had better learn rigorous, relentless, and unflinching honesty to the best of their ability; non-humans tend to look with disdain on nonsense (foolish human) ideas, perceptions, and dispositions.

"No one is righteous, no, not one. No one is truly wise, no one is seeking God. They have all turned away, becoming worthless together -- there is no one among them doing good, no not one. Their throats are open graves, their tongues practice deceit, the poison of vipers is on their lips". Roman 3:10-13

Simply, one can have mafia goons escorting them (they call it 'protection' too ) to keep others from accosting, but that's a good way to identify one's self as someone incapable of handling their own affairs (i.e. an easy mark).

More simply: Calling for protection/guidance from a perceived 'authority' is tantamount to 'giving a person a fish' (or, being given one specifically). Becoming a sovereign authority in and of yourself is tantamount to learning how to fish.

Do not give in to this fear... Fear is the opposite of Love. Work with the energy of Love.

Here, I have extra.

[Shezbeth]

Good morning,

I work graveyard shifts; for me it is morning. I'm posting this here because it pertains to matter discussed here (namely examples of Djinn/entity interaction). If it is desired by the OP, I will remove it and post it elsewhere, as it could be considered channeled material.

I just awoke – less than 5 minutes ago – from a profound dream experience with the entity which I interact with. Please note, that is a gross (bordering on ridiculous) simplification of what occurred, however nothing about this simplification is false.

Upon waking, I was given a choice about the understanding developed from the experience; I could share it or I could keep it. You have three guesses to determine which choice I made. I cannot claim that the information is historically accurate or authoritative, however if I were to rely on my intuition in absence of first hand observation or second hand research I can reasonably conclude as to be operating with authority.

To begin, I must make a simple definition, and for the purpose so doing it is imperative that the reader abandon all preconceived notions and judgements about the following terms I am to define, for the duration of this conveyance.

Good – Conducive to growth / Conducive to stagnation – Evil

No further connotations to those terms is either accurate or appropriate, given my understanding.

Humanity has ceased to produce good children, because the progenitors of modern children have been largely practicing evil in the most and not applying all requisite mechanisms in the least. In particular, the marriage ceremonies that are being practiced are largely/entirely of evil (in that they are not of the 'greatest' good). Marriage in antiquity was a sacred and profound ritual that has been tainted with evil by its manipulation. The removal of several aspects is how what was good has been rendered less good and/or evil.

A matrimonial ritual - what is today referred to as a “marriage ceremony” - was originally a sex ritual geared toward both unifying the active participants and conceiving good offspring in accords with physiological, mental, and spiritual acumen.

I will not be detailing what was to occur, as I have only just begun to conceive of what was to occur. Such information is well within the research and intuitive potential of any individuals so inclined, however I have only been given the basic theory at this point. Perhaps I will detail more when more is known to me, if I find it is good.

The finer details involved:
Acts which were conducive to procreation in a physical sense
Affirmations conducive to union and cooperation in a mental sense
Rites that were conducive to extancy in a spiritual sense

It was presided over by an individual sworn to celibacy and authoritative on the practices and mechanics involved; what to do and why, what not to do and why, and what to do when what not to do was done (and why). Celibacy has nothing to do with abstinence, it is entirely to do with procreation. Expectations of a lack of sexuality from celibate individuals bears the mark of evil, and can be said to be the cause of many aberrations observable in the adherents of numerous spiritual establishments.

The actions taken during the ritual allude to physical, mental, and spiritual principles and phenomena in a synergistic action that serves the procreative requirements of all three. An example is the manner in which the female spends a good portion of the ritual lying on her back in retention of the male ejaculate.

Metaphysics were to be observed, applied, and adhered to throughout including symbolism - as relates to the spiritual principles described in the occult as well as the scientific principles illustrated by the work of Masaru Emoto, et al - and a variety of others.

Example Explanations:

“Until death do you part” - final question of the vows portion.
This paraphrase is clearly understood when perceiving 'death' in a Shakespearian-era context. The term to “Die” had a dual meaning of achieving orgasm.

“You may 'kiss' the bride” - final instruction of the priest before consummation.
In modern days, one can easily imagine what would be described at this point in their own words. Recognize however, that every word of the originating ritual was designed to express and abide by the finest of refinement conceivable; phrases like "get it on" were the antithesis of what would be said, as there would be an intent of exalting reverence.

“I now pronounce […]” - declaration made in conclusion of the procreative consummation, the 'sealing within the firmament' type of statement indicating successful conclusion of the oaths, rites, and affirmations.

“Ladies and gentlement, I present [...]” - declaration to the people of the unified couple leaving the bridal chamber, which was dedicated to the matrimonial ritual. This is the notification to those not present, the 'making real in the minds of the observers' what has been manifest privately and in ritual.

While other examples exist, I feel I have effectively elucidated the idea in question. The reader may now revert to previously held definitions and perceptions as they are inclined. Thank you for your time.

This post - rendered on a word processor in advance – was completed at 12:22pst

[Shezbeth]

Allow me to suggest an example. The Matrix (and subsequent sequels). Which entities could be considered Djinn, from the standpoint of a person inside the Matrix? By inside, I include both those "plugged in" and those "outside but tapping in" (Neo and co).

Could the Smiths be considered Djinn? Or the Oracle, the Architect, the Marovingian, the Keymaker, the Train-guy, etc. down the list of more or less prominent participants. Depending on perspective, all (or none) could be considered as or representative of Djinn; further, all that are/were not human could be considered so. In such a dynamic, the overwhelming majority could be said to be negative or at least oppositional to humans, but that is because they are operating in a manner that is beneficial to themselves and their species. In extricating themselves from the Matrix, the humans would be eliminating the energetic resource extraction, but subjecting themselves to the opposition of the Smiths. In doing so - at least as depicted - they would also be in a position to interact with the Oracle and perhaps others that could be considered non-adversarial and in many ways beneficial.

Regardless, in all possible outcomes (again, as depicted) there is no individual who is not in some way operating in/around the programs and/or machines. Reflectively, there were no humans who were outside the interaction of Djinn in one way or another; whether participating with, subject to, or adversary of, they were all within a world of Djinn. All that was really left to them was the choice of the nature of their interaction. Were they willing to be an exploited resource - a cog in the machine - or would they prefer to escape the machine only to be hunted by some and yet aided and educated by others?

[Lynn]

DREAMTIME HEALING using HOLOGRAPHIC KINETICS is an understanding of two worlds, an internal to external and an external to internal world.
DREAMTIME HEALING is part of what the Australian Aboriginal "Lore Men" knew from the past and could apply; HOLOGRAPHIC KINETICS is the science behind their knowledge. With holographic kenetics Steve Richards founder of Holographic Kinetcis says dont put up a field around yourself cause that just attracts them more. And that we dont need a field around us as we already have protection from our spirit. http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html and also other videos to watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im-MzS2-dbQ .
I had a healing done a month ago now. It was great feeling to know that you have healed your past. But sometimes you might need more than one session as these entity's dont like you being pure in spirit. I am finding myself sensitive to them sometimes and can feel their presence on top of my head, not much has been put out there on how things are and how you feel afterwards to help you along your way after healings. Alot of research on the internet to find things out, but do be carefull as there are alot out there that are not true to what they say, and can lead you on the wrong path. Listening to your inner self spirit and NOT your ego will help. Today I felt overwelmed with these entity's as I was at the shops, trying so hard to get in, making me feel i was half here and half not. being strong helps, knowing that you are the most powerful spirit in the universe.