Is the white light after we die a trap?

[Sidney]

Posted by Milneman (here)

Posted by Sidney (here)
Another reason for lack of memory of past lives could be that this is indeed a persons first trip here. Also some peoples brains are more efficient than others. We aren't suppose to remember because we were set up for failure to do so, having been wiped of memories between lives.

I also think it may be possible that not everyone is reincarnated, that at death, it is indeed the end. I don't really go along with that theory but in truth the possibilities are endless. I personally think reincarnation is really the only thing that makes sense.

Really?

Let me float something over and see what you think.

Consider the possibility that the universe has an infinitely powerful being operating it. Thought experiment, so go with me for a moment. Consider that being "thinks" every sentient being into existence, and that being that is thought into existence will continue to exist as a thought in that infinitely powerful being. So when you die, your physical body dies but the essence of what you are (soul) continues to exist on and on.

The major argument against this possibility that I hear usually comes in the form of "Wouldn't you get bored living in eternity, doing the same things over and over and over?" And my reply to that is this: suppose that infinitely powerful being operates the universe, exists outside of the universe, and outside of time. Suppose that as you exit this universe, you exit the confines of what time is. How, then do you determine when you get bored of doing something if there is no time to do it in?

Thinking this way, let's put another layer into the experiment. Suppose that infinitely powerful being notices that certain energies have qualities that help the system, or are used by the being as a means of regulating the system somehow. Constants, let's call them. Suppose that some energies (let's call them souls) do in fact manifest differently than others for this exact reason. Again, this is a thought experiment and not meant to promote a certain dogma, but what if the idea of angelic beings actually gets a twist from this notion?

So now we have a simple system on the scale of the entire universe, controlled by an infinitely powerful being, using certain elements to re-condition the system because they have a greater potential.

Suppose there's a system in place in the universe to allow for the development of the life which inhabits the universe to grow, develop, and mature within the system? Let's call it natural selection and modern evolutionary theory. Suppose the next stage in human evolution, in this thought experiment, is recognizing the choice to evolve to the next point. Suppose that's the point of it all.

Doesn't that make as much sense as a system that continually recycles itself? You also have the problem of explaining how a system like reincarnation begins. If we've always existed, always will exist, and always will continue to exist, when were we created? How were we created?

Going with my own thought experiment, which in part is belief for me, I end up at the exact same questions someone who believes in reincarnation does. And that's interesting, don't you think? It means, somewhere along the line, aspects of what we both believe are true...or we are both equally deceived!

Sidney, I'm not suggesting you're wrong in what you believe. I think for whatever reason you're justified in your beliefs, and that's cool! You have a right to be, just as much as I have a right to be. The problem for me begins when another belief system, with equal value, can somehow be dismissed slight of hand without substantial proofs.

Anyway, happy Friday.

Yep, That is why I say the possibilities are endless. Nobody really knows for sure. I think, regardless of what really occurs, it needs to remain important that each individual, accept their own belief system, and be ok with it. The last thing we need when we are on our way out, is fear. We will all either die, (the end), or exit these bodies (a different end), and continue our journey.
My belief about what happens when I die, changes on a regular basis, because I am constantly introduced to ideas that I had not thought of before. Nothing is written in stone here.

When were we created? a long time ago. LOL
How were we created? apparently with a great sense of humor

How can we possibly store so many memories in one brain? Think of it this way. Look how much data can be stored on a micro chip. And then think of the human brain. My opinion is, the memory bank is far more complex than what mainstream science is telling us.
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[Milneman]

Sid,

ditto marks, with only one sticky. It is logically possible to hold a belief system that is incorrect, and to be ignorant of that fact.

That's where it gets phun.

[Sidney]

Posted by Milneman (here)
Sid,

ditto marks, with only one sticky. It is logically possible to hold a belief system that is incorrect, and to be ignorant of that fact.

That's where it gets phun.

My ultimate point is to not have fear. Its ok to say, hey I might be wrong, I might indeed be going to hell (proverbial) when I leave here. But we gain absolutely nothing by living with the fear of this. That is why we are picking apart the dos and don'ts of "the light". It seems like the ol' damned if we do and damned if we don't scenario. If we go to the light its a trap. If we don't go to the light we might get lost.
See?
Either way, we won't know until we get there. A near death experience is not death. It is something different. They came back, therefore they are not dead. So dead may be something entirely different than a near death. We may get glimpses of whats on the other side through the NDE, but we do not know for sure what death consists of for sure.

But I absolutely believe there is something somewhere for some people. Not all those mediums can be wrong.

I also think when the moment comes, I will choose what I am suppose to.

[Milneman]

Unless you have a reason to be afraid.
Which brings to mind the question, if we have a reason to be afraid, we must have knowledge about why....

[Freed Fox]

Right; we'll all find out for ourselves, but not before the time has come.

"All goes onward and outward, nothing collapses,
And to die is different from what any one supposed, and luckier."
~Walt Whitman

[Sidney]

Posted by Milneman (here)
Unless you have a reason to be afraid.
Which brings to mind the question, if we have a reason to be afraid, we must have knowledge about why....

Because bad **** happens to good people. And vice versa.

[Milneman]

Posted by Sidney (here)

Posted by Milneman (here)
Unless you have a reason to be afraid.
Which brings to mind the question, if we have a reason to be afraid, we must have knowledge about why....

Because bad **** happens to good people. And vice versa.

And more importantly, people do bad **** to each other.

Ergo, we know the difference between what is right, to begin with, and what is wrong, to begin with, and act on each accordingly to our need.

So there's fear (oh no, a tiger, it's going to eat me!) and there's fear (oh ****, I'm going to get caught in the act).

I don't think you're lumping all evil together. At least I hope not.

What I'm talking about here is the idea of personal responsibility in the light of an innate knowledge of what is good and what is evil. If you accept that premise (I'm not sure what else one could believe with any validity in the light of this discussion) then you have to at least consider the idea that there is, in fact, a universal idea of wrong action for personal gain that is universal to every belief system; in fact I'd go as far to say that this is the universal belief system everyone is looking for.

Do unto others as long as you don't get caught. And it's ok. We get another life to try and make it right.

Or keep living by the same defective code while other more reasoned human beings choose to evolve.

We're not afraid because bad things happen naturally alone. Bad things happen because we do bad things against our own innate nature.

That's what "sin" is.

Or, if you'd rather, what "karma" is supposed to meter out.

I'm watching my father die in fear, as he's lived most of his life. Why would his death be any different? What's going to happen to him after he dies? Life, for me, will go on. As it will for everyone else. The answer for him is between him and his maker. Which, I think, is my point. This is a personal experience that no human being, fallible as that human being is, can make any judgment about with any certainty, and any person who takes the notion of this experience as being true, or that experience being true, with no grounding in any philosophical, metaphysical, rational, or empirical reasoning is someone I'd gladly sell a bridge to.

And I'll gladly stand by that until someone can prove me otherwise.

[Hervé]

Why the hell is there a flying scarab that keeps knocking itself out against my window?

... must mean something... let's see... it's night out there and I have a halogene lamp burning calories... no, may be it's joules... whatever, it's artificial light, you know, the kind deers and road crossing dudes keep getting caught in... at night...

... hhmmm... why is that?

[Finefeather]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)

The reason why we do not generally remember initially is because we start at birth with a new physical, emotional a mental envelope...a clear slate...this is not a setup for failure but a new life with new things to work on.

We certainly don't start a new lifetime with 'a clean slate'... if I understand you correctly.

We bring our unfinished business with us, just as our unfinished business from yesterday is still with us today when we woke up this morning.

I'd suggest that the metaphor of starting a new day, but with whatever happened yesterday being still all too real, applies fairly accurately.

I do apologize if I have not made myself clear and caused confusion...I used the term generally when I should have been more specific I quess

Bill, actually we do start with a clean slate as far as the Physical, emotional and mental envelopes are concerned...you may not be familiar with this term...we use the term bodies more often...they are states of molecular matter...our auras can be seen and prove their existence.

I would however agree with you up to a point only...because you are generalizing...as I did...and trying to sum up a most complicated process with a simple statement which is far from accurate...because, just for starters, reincarnation is certainly not a case of starting a new day with yesterdays memories because reincarnation is not necessarily a linear process as you seem to be suggesting...although this may certainly be true in some cases.

The clear slate memory I am referring to...and which I mentioned are the physical consciousness/memory, the emotional consciousness/memory, and the mental consciousness/memory. These memories form our conscious and subconscious memory during a life...some we remember, some we forget until we are reminded somehow...There is a still larger or higher repository for our memories which is the Causal Memory.

All of these memories/consciousnesses, from these 3 bodies/envelopes, from a life are dissolved after the life and are assimilated into the causal memory of the Being...along with any talents, habits, tendencies, traumas etc.

The unfinished business you speak of depends largely on the 'level' of the 'business' which was going on before the life ended. By this I mean that...for example...if you were busy with some mundane thing which was largely driven by ego, it is unlikely that you would continue with this in the next life...but if you were formulating some idea which would be profoundly useful to humanity, you might very well want to complete this. In this case it would manifest as a desire and not a memory to start of with and this would most probably lead to a sudden remembrance anew which would cause the continuation of the idea you formulated in the previous life.

The other thing to remember is that our choice of life is not entirely our own doing when speaking or thinking from our current life consciousness...we are not able to see the whole picture in the human mind state and should not believe that what we think is going to be is in fact going to be without having the larger picture in sight. There are far greater minds than we at this time who assist us during the process of rebirth.

The other significant thing which can comes from previous lives...even many lives ago is what is known as skandhas. These are constant vibrations like habits, tendencies, traumas etc...and are often what Scientology claims to deal with in it's efforts to clear a person of these permanent until dealt with 'pockets' of negative consciousness. Of course you also get the opposite positive side which are the talents and predispositions of the person.

In each case these skandhas are not part of the new clean slate physical, emotional and mental envelopes of the Being incarnating...but they are a part of the Causal Being, which is the thing which incarnates, the real Self...the part of us we so frantically think is far away when it is part of us all the time. This real Self has a quality of it's own based on it's own individual 'personality' and this, together with all it's 'good' and 'bad' come out in our life and we hardly give it a thought...because we are far from perfect yet.

Each envelope of the individual has its consciousness, its memory: the subconscious collective consciousness of its different molecules. These memories dissolve with the envelopes. The permanent envelope in the human kingdom, the causal, retains the memory of everything it has experienced since its formation.

Remembrance anew is the ability to resuscitate the vibrations received or emitted by the envelopes.

Expressions of consciousness activate the matter of the envelopes. Constant vibrations (habits, tendencies, etc.) retain “permanent atoms” (Sanskrit: skandhas). On the dissolution of the envelopes they enter into the causal envelope and accompany it at reincarnation, constituting the latent fund of experiences (predispositions, talents, etc.).

Take care
Ray

[greybeard]

The enlightened say.
Let go of all belief systems
Die before you die (death of ego --personal self)
There is only one consciousness---only one soul and you are that.
That is their direct knowledge--the state in which "That" is.

Assuming this is so---the whole purpose of this duality state is to experience and find the answer to the question "Who am I?"
Having found the answer there is no reincarnation --this world this experience has served it purpose.

Going or not going into the light is not relevant as you know your are Source.
The unborn the Ultimate.

One member for sure exists in that state called enlightenment and has fully pointed to it and answered questions, I refer to Tim.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...of-what-occurs...
Enlightenment - A direct, succinct account of what occurs...

This is an account of the direct experience of awakening.

What can be said, or written, of itself cannot reveal the truth.

Words and language are themselves an illusory tool, an aspect of the relative dream, and can only indicate or hint towards the totality, or reality, or that which is.

Upon the moment of awakening not only does the illusion of the relative self or ego vanish like a shadow exposed to light, but all “other” egos, or relative selves, disappear. All separation disappears, and the absolute Self is realized. All is then enlightened and whole, for there never really were separate entities that could become individually enlightened. There then is no relative doer, nor even an absolute doer, for all doing implies separation. Or something to do, or somewhere to go. And not just other humans, but the entire creation is enlightened and whole.

[Hervé]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
[...]

I'd suggest that the metaphor of starting a new day, but with whatever happened yesterday being still all too real, applies fairly accurately.

Yep, definitely most applicable metaphor:


3-Year-Old Remembers Past Life, Identifies Murderer and Location of Body

By Tara MacIsaac, Epoch Times | May 17, 2014Last Updated: May 20, 2014 10:15 am


A file photo of a child pointing. (Thinkstock)

The universe is full of mysteries that challenge our current knowledge.
In “Beyond Science” Epoch Times collects stories about these strange phenomena to stimulate the imagination and open up previously undreamed of possibilities. Are they true? You decide.

A 3-year-old boy in the Golan Heights region near the border of Syria and Israel said he was murdered with an axe in his previous life. He showed village elders where the murderer buried his body, and sure enough they found a man’s skeleton there. He also showed the elders where the murder weapon was found, and upon digging, they did indeed found an axe there.

In his book, “Children Who Have Lived Before: Reincarnation Today,” German therapist Trutz Hardo tells this boy’s story, along with other stories of children who seem to remember their past lives with verified accuracy. The boy’s story was witnessed by Dr. Eli Lasch, who is best known for developing the medical system in Gaza as part of an Israeli government operation in the 1960s. Dr. Lasch, who died in 2009, had recounted these astounding events to Hardo.

The boy was of the Druze ethnic group, and in his culture the existence of reincarnation is accepted as fact. His story nonetheless had the power to surprise his community.

He was born with a long, red birthmark on his head. The Druse believe, as some other cultures do, that birthmarks are related to past-life deaths. When the boy was old enough to talk, he told his family he had been killed by a blow to the head with an axe.

It is customary for elders to take a child at the age of 3 to the home of his previous life if he remembers it. The boy knew the village he was from, so they went there. When they arrived in the village, the boy remembered the name he had in his past life.

A village local said the man the boy claimed to be the reincarnation of had gone missing four years earlier. His friends and family thought he may have strayed into hostile territory nearby as sometimes happens.

The boy also remembered the full name of his killer. When he confronted this man, the alleged killer’s face turned white, Lasch told Hardo, but he did not admit to murder. The boy then said he could take the elders to where the body was buried. In that very spot, they found a man’s skeleton with a wound to the head that corresponded to the boy’s birthmark. They also found the axe, the murder weapon.

Faced with this evidence, the murderer admitted to the crime. Dr. Lasch, the only non-Druze, was present through this whole process.

To read more of Hardo’s stories, read his book, “Children Who Have Lived Before.”


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With that account, one may be able to understand why there are some vested interests determined to deny anything having to do with past lives and working hard at the eradication of any memories stemming from such... particularly organized psychopaths from this and other densities/dimensions...

... their "secrets" would be blown out into scrutinizing lights!

[Shezbeth]

Such stories are quite impressive, and effective at illustrating that the concept of past lives is not in any way resolved or of a fixed determination.

Speaking of resolved, I wonder how many children experience such vivid past life recollections (they're usually not readily broadcast ^_~) and of those, how many have unfinished 'business' so to speak. In every case, there seems to be a premature death or the perception of having more to do in the deceased prior to the experience as a child.

In a sense, this begs the question; Is it that everyone reincarnates but not everyone recalls their past life or are there percentages who do reincarnate along side percentages who don't?

[Finefeather]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
[...]

I'd suggest that the metaphor of starting a new day, but with whatever happened yesterday being still all too real, applies fairly accurately.

Yep, definitely most applicable metaphor:

Amzer
Nice post and story...thanks.

These type of occurrences are really great to read about and bring up when we are attempting to 'prove' reincarnation...however...even if true they are never the less quite rare, and it would be incorrect to use a rarity as a metaphor in a general way to explain what occurs in the majority of people.

These occurrences are certainly not the norm and we don't see this in most people we meet up with or in and around our block.

These are however still proof of the traumas which can manifest in the form of memories of past life...and they come from the Causal memory repository of the being and not from the normal physical, emotional or mental memories which begin to accumulate only from birth. Such memories also rarely determine the course of the persons new life, unless they are of such a profoundly traumatic or enlightening nature that the entire life is consumed and controlled by them.

I would be willing to venture to say that most of these types of memory recalls are almost in the background of the persons physical memory by the time they are around 21 or so...this is so because the memories of the new life becomes the guiding, determining and influencing factors.

I know many people who have had memories of past lives at different stages in their lives and it was most interesting to see the change that occurred in some of their lives as a result of the sudden memory recall.

So not everyone remembers past lives at birth...some take longer...some never...so it cannot or should not be used as a normal general statement...and even these kinds of stories will not necessarily satisfy a sceptical mind...they need their own experience of the memory.

Take care and thanks for the interesting links.
Ray

[Hervé]

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

Yep, definitely most applicable metaphor:

Amzer
Nice post and story...thanks.

[...]

Thanks, but it's not a story... it's a duly recorded account

These type of occurrences are really great to read about and bring up when we are attempting to 'prove' reincarnation...however...even if true they are never the less quite rare...

[...]

First, my post didn't have anything to do with what you read into it but with "unfinished business."

Now, for the sake of "correctness," this account comes from a member of a community which doesn't ridicule kids for remembering who they were before their last death. There are very few such communities (e.g. Tibetan lamas on the look out for their Lamas coming back in a new body and especially their Dalai one).

Most other communities and cultures get kids to shut up pretty fast with floods of ridicule and kids learn to shove those recollections under the carpet real quick. So, absence of evidence is far from evidence of absence.

Hence "rarity of occurrence" is more the result of those "vested interests" working hard at suppressing and invalidating such occurrences.

However, if you take the time to peruse this forum, you'll find more and more accounts of members' own kids recounting pretty off the wall stuff. Why? They are not ridiculed, invalidated or suppressed.

Therefore, the argument that:

... it would be incorrect to use a rarity as a metaphor in a general way to explain what occurs in the majority of people.

These occurrences are certainly not the norm and we don't see this in most people we meet up with or in and around our block.

is far from valid since it's only an apparent "rarity."

[Finefeather]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Thanks, but it's not a story... it's a duly recorded account

These type of occurrences are really great to read about and bring up when we are attempting to 'prove' reincarnation...however...even if true they are never the less quite rare...

[...]

First, my post didn't have anything to do with what you read into it but with "unfinished business."

Now, for the sake of "correctness," this account comes from a member of a community which doesn't ridicule kids for remembering who they were before their last death. There are very few such communities (e.g. Tibetan lamas on the look out for their Lamas coming back in a new body and especially their Dalai one).

Most other communities and cultures get kids to shut up pretty fast with floods of ridicule and kids learn to shove those recollections under the carpet real quick. So, absence of evidence is far from evidence of absence.

Hence "rarity of occurrence" is more the result of those "vested interests" working hard at suppressing and invalidating such occurrences.

However, if you take the time to peruse this forum, you'll find more and more accounts of members' own kids recounting pretty off the wall stuff. Why? They are not ridiculed, invalidated or suppressed.

Therefore, the argument that:

... it would be incorrect to use a rarity as a metaphor in a general way to explain what occurs in the majority of people.

These occurrences are certainly not the norm and we don't see this in most people we meet up with or in and around our block.

is far from valid since it's only an apparent "rarity."

Actually I understood your post quite well thanks...just because I have 68 as my age does not mean my powers of comprehension have faded

Story...noun...a narrative, either true or fictitious, in prose or verse, designed to interest, amuse, or instruct the hearer or reader; tale.

Where I come from a story is a story...it does not necessarily indicate false or incorrect information...it probably only affected you because you thought I was being derogatory...which was certainly not the case...I was actually thanking you for the information which 'proves' reincarnation.

I am quite aware of theTibetan lama tradition, I read that 50 years ago...I am also quite aware of the moral, family, traditional, religious and 'other' parts played in the upbringing and awareness of children.

I think your idea that 'vested interest' prevents children from recalling past lives is not true...The ability to recall past lives has many isolated reasons...but the main reason most cannot recall these memories is because their consciousness is not yet evolved enough to be active during the new life. Those who have achieved the ability to access Causal consciousness will remember their entire life history since they were created...billions of years...not that these recollections would be of any significance though for the new life.

The gist of my post was to indicate rarity and not the norm. Even if you took 2 million out of the current world population they would still only represent about 0.0003 of the world who have these experiences...a far cry from normal or general. To use the forum members as an indication of 'off the wall stuff' says but little...every parent wants to think their child is more gifted than the norm...I am not saying that there are not genuine cases.

We, as the current majority wave of humans, have 1000s of years ahead of us before we achieve a collective majority consciousness in higher states...trying to be clever and arrogant about our state of true knowledge just indicated the ignorance in us.

Blaming others for our own ignorance is a 'cop out'...there is nothing on this planet preventing consciousness growth.

Should that not be all the more reason why we should stop wasting our time and actually do something about our own consciousness growth. Reading stories and watching videos all day is not going to prove anything to us...just change our beliefs when something new pops up.

Take care
Ray

[ulli]

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Thanks, but it's not a story... it's a duly recorded account

These type of occurrences are really great to read about and bring up when we are attempting to 'prove' reincarnation...however...even if true they are never the less quite rare...

[...]

First, my post didn't have anything to do with what you read into it but with "unfinished business."

Now, for the sake of "correctness," this account comes from a member of a community which doesn't ridicule kids for remembering who they were before their last death. There are very few such communities (e.g. Tibetan lamas on the look out for their Lamas coming back in a new body and especially their Dalai one).

Most other communities and cultures get kids to shut up pretty fast with floods of ridicule and kids learn to shove those recollections under the carpet real quick. So, absence of evidence is far from evidence of absence.

Hence "rarity of occurrence" is more the result of those "vested interests" working hard at suppressing and invalidating such occurrences.

However, if you take the time to peruse this forum, you'll find more and more accounts of members' own kids recounting pretty off the wall stuff. Why? They are not ridiculed, invalidated or suppressed.

Therefore, the argument that:

... it would be incorrect to use a rarity as a metaphor in a general way to explain what occurs in the majority of people.

These occurrences are certainly not the norm and we don't see this in most people we meet up with or in and around our block.

is far from valid since it's only an apparent "rarity."

Actually I understood your post quite well thanks...just because I have 68 as my age does not mean my powers of comprehension have faded

Story...noun...a narrative, either true or fictitious, in prose or verse, designed to interest, amuse, or instruct the hearer or reader; tale.

Where I come from a story is a story...it does not necessarily indicate false or incorrect information...it probably only affected you because you thought I was being derogatory...which was certainly not the case...I was actually thanking you for the information which 'proves' reincarnation.

I am quite aware of theTibetan lama tradition, I read that 50 years ago...I am also quite aware of the moral, family, traditional, religious and 'other' parts played in the upbringing and awareness of children.

I think your idea that 'vested interest' prevents children from recalling past lives is not true...The ability to recall past lives has many isolated reasons...but the main reason most cannot recall these memories is because their consciousness is not yet evolved enough to be active during the new life. Those who have achieved the ability to access Causal consciousness will remember their entire life history since they were created...billions of years...not that these recollections would be of any significance though for the new life.

The gist of my post was to indicate rarity and not the norm. Even if you took 2 million out of the current world population they would still only represent about 0.0003 of the world who have these experiences...a far cry from normal or general. To use the forum members as an indication of 'off the wall stuff' says but little...every parent wants to think their child is more gifted than the norm...I am not saying that there are not genuine cases.

We, as the current majority wave of humans, have 1000s of years ahead of us before we achieve a collective majority consciousness in higher states...trying to be clever and arrogant about our state of true knowledge just indicated the ignorance in us.

Blaming others for our own ignorance is a 'cop out'...there is nothing on this planet preventing consciousness growth.



Should that not be all the more reason why we should stop wasting our time and actually do something about our own consciousness growth. Reading stories and watching videos all day is not going to prove anything to us...just change our beliefs when something new pops up.

Take care
Ray

Just wanted to emphasize this statement of yours. Thanks, Ray.

"there is nothing on this planet preventing consciousness growth"

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Even if you took 2 million out of the current world population they would still only represent about 0.0003 of the world who have these experiences...a far cry from normal or general.

7 billion thank you's is the estimated value of the above sentence, not even remotely close to the 100th monkey effect we are, not even close, 0.0003 % is near completely negligible and way beyond marginal, waiting for answers or miracles that are very unlikely to happen or be received, random acts of kindness just once a day have the potential to fix things up or at least make life more bearable really fast, that should shift our focus to doing the right thing here and now, science, spirituality and expectations of better times with the least amount of effort could be such wonderful things.

When I think of reincarnation I only think, I better get a ffing better ride next time because this one just sucked, was plain weird, inconsistent and a mess, how the hell did I get talked into coming here, did I take the wrong turn? What happened here, does anyone at all know for sure or are we dealing with personal opinions here, a cosmic lesson, growth of my soul, yadayada, something is not right with the curriculum or the methodology, learning and growing should be easy and fun, so far my experience has been a far cry from that, yet for some stupid reason I still hope for better, ( gave up hope once and somehow things got better without any expectations at all), now I am back at hoping for some unbeknownst reason, stupid.

[araucaria]

I get the impression there are many reincarnation stories involving people who came to violent ends last time around, and many of them coming with scars to prove it. Maybe the quantity and quality of one’s unfinished business has something to do with one’s recollection of a past life – in addition of course to a culturally receptive background.

It occurs to me that, given the number of violent deaths being perpetrated, cases of past life remembrance should be on the increase – a little like improved surgery has increased the number of NDEs. And things like the increased number of NDEs have gradually been turning western society into a culturally receptive background. Past life memories is only one way of stepping onto the consciousness ladder; there are many others, including OBEs, ET experiences, and simply connecting the mind to the heart. We don’t actually know where the 100th monkey threshold stands; it may be a good way off yet, but we are getting there, that’s for sure. A mountain road does not show you anything past the next bend, but if you are climbing (and that is one thing you will know for sure), then you are getting closer to the top.

[ThePythonicCow]

Even if you took 2 million out of the current world population they would still only represent about 0.0003 of the world who have these experiences...a far cry from normal or general.

Posted by 778 neighbour of some guy (here)
7 billion thank you's is the estimated value of the above sentence, not even remotely close to the 100th monkey effect we are, not even close, 0.0003 % is near completely negligible ...

2 million is three-ten-thousandths (0.0003) of 6 billion, or 0.03%, not 0.0003%

[Finefeather]

Posted by araucaria (here)
I get the impression there are many reincarnation stories involving people who came to violent ends last time around, and many of them coming with scars to prove it. Maybe the quantity and quality of one’s unfinished business has something to do with one’s recollection of a past life

It occurs to me that, given the number of violent deaths being perpetrated, cases of past life remembrance should be on the increase

Lets just talk a little about unfinished business, 'violent deaths', and past life memory for some possible clarity. This is a vast subject and we could relate millions of different cases so I am just going to be as generic and as short as I can for this post.

If we relate these ideas we end up with a few scenarios:

The 'unfinished business' can either become a quest for justice or a quest for revenge.
Neither of these makes any sense unless the person is totally egotistically driven at the Personality level...which is not impossible, because we see this in those who have given up their lives to serve Satanic forces...but in general, this would not be the case.

We should keep in mind that justice is only served when the one doing the 'bad' deed also does the judging and delivers the sentence. There is no one who can judge anyone who will him/herself not become the victim. No one has that right or privileged...not even the highest Being in the Cosmos. The thing we call justice on earth is just a man made set of rules based on the morals of a group or country.

There is such a thing called reaping and sowing...karma if you wish.

In order to correct or balance out 'bad' karma we need a life of bad reaping...the life might be difficult and or filled with violence and extremely traumatic death. The incarnating person is fully aware of this and has agreed to the life because it will be a positive move in the end. This is more than likely never going to be remembered at birth because it may ruin the plan.

Once the violent death has taken place and the Soul 'awakens' from it's life, it remembers, fully, the reasons for it's experiences...it judges it's own life. There is no malice or revenge towards the one metering out our death because it knows what the intention of the life was.

The most likely cause for remembering a violent death is the trauma which the person experienced during the act. Millions if not billions of us have had previous lives where we died a terrible death...wars, been blown to bits...be-headings...burnings at the stake...major accidents...and the list goes on and on.

If this was the cause of remembering a past life, everyone would by now be chatting about their previous be-heading around the camp fire

So, the reasons we remember past lives has many sides to it and cannot be easily compiled into a list of a general nature.

We are all different and all at different and various states of consciousness and egotistical control...there is no one answer for the many sides of the human endeavour to reach an awakened and free state of existence.

Take care
Ray