Is the white light after we die a trap?

[Finefeather]

Posted by Paul (here)

Even if you took 2 million out of the current world population they would still only represent about 0.0003 of the world who have these experiences...a far cry from normal or general.

Posted by 778 neighbour of some guy (here)
7 billion thank you's is the estimated value of the above sentence, not even remotely close to the 100th monkey effect we are, not even close, 0.0003 % is near completely negligible ...

2 million is three-ten-thousandths (0.0003) of 6 billion, or 0.03%, not 0.0003%

Hullo Paul
If you glance up to my post you will notice I never used the % symbol...I wrote it as a fraction...I used 2 million divided by roughly 7167 million which equals 0.0003.
So I said 0.0003 of the world population...is that wrong? ...sorry I am not the Einstein in the family
Either way it's still a little bit.

Take care
Ray

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
If you glance up to my post you will notice I never used the % symbol...I wrote it as a fraction...I used 2 million divided by roughly 7167 million which equals 0.0003.

If you glance up to my post, you will notice that I was correcting "778 neighbour of some guy", who added a %-sign to your (entirely correct) 0.0003 fraction, without moving the decimal point two places to compensate.

[Finefeather]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)
If you glance up to my post you will notice I never used the % symbol...I wrote it as a fraction...I used 2 million divided by roughly 7167 million which equals 0.0003.

If you glance up to my post, you will notice that I was correcting "778 neighbour of some guy", who added a %-sign to your (entirely correct) 0.0003 fraction, without moving the decimal point two places to compensate.

Thanks there dear wise one...I am always a little on edge when I talk maths...

[Hervé]

Some of the vested interests:

• MKultra type of conditioning
• SRA type of conditioning
• Various SRA derived, custom made cult type of conditioning (includes most major religions)
• ETs as in Simon Parkes account, "... they are not supposed to remember!" (abductions)
• ETs as in Truman Cash's "The Programming Of A Planet" and "Eye Of Ra" (in-between lives implants, routed in via the fake, artificial white light)

PS: Someone using "story" instead of "account" leaves the ambiguity of its "tale" definition floating in the reader's mind especially when it is further nailed as the one being used when reading:

... even if true they are never the less quite rare

PPS: "Unfinished business" also includes a life's scheduled "business" cut short. In the example given, the murdered body, murder weapon and murderer unmasking were incidental to the routine Druze procedure of taking any 3 y.o. to his/her former location. The birth mark was the only evidence of the trauma and if that trauma had been accompanied with a post-traumatic/hypnotic command of "not remembering"; there would have been another zombie walking this Earth.

[araucaria]

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)
I get the impression there are many reincarnation stories involving people who came to violent ends last time around, and many of them coming with scars to prove it. Maybe the quantity and quality of one’s unfinished business has something to do with one’s recollection of a past life

It occurs to me that, given the number of violent deaths being perpetrated, cases of past life remembrance should be on the increase

Lets just talk a little about unfinished business, 'violent deaths', and past life memory for some possible clarity. This is a vast subject and we could relate millions of different cases so I am just going to be as generic and as short as I can for this post.

If we relate these ideas we end up with a few scenarios:

The 'unfinished business' can either become a quest for justice or a quest for revenge.
Neither of these makes any sense unless the person is totally egotistically driven at the Personality level...which is not impossible, because we see this in those who have given up their lives to serve Satanic forces...but in general, this would not be the case.

We should keep in mind that justice is only served when the one doing the 'bad' deed also does the judging and delivers the sentence. There is no one who can judge anyone who will him/herself not become the victim. No one has that right or privileged...not even the highest Being in the Cosmos. The thing we call justice on earth is just a man made set of rules based on the morals of a group or country.

There is such a thing called reaping and sowing...karma if you wish.

In order to correct or balance out 'bad' karma we need a life of bad reaping...the life might be difficult and or filled with violence and extremely traumatic death. The incarnating person is fully aware of this and has agreed to the life because it will be a positive move in the end. This is more than likely never going to be remembered at birth because it may ruin the plan.

Once the violent death has taken place and the Soul 'awakens' from it's life, it remembers, fully, the reasons for it's experiences...it judges it's own life. There is no malice or revenge towards the one metering out our death because it knows what the intention of the life was.

The most likely cause for remembering a violent death is the trauma which the person experienced during the act. Millions if not billions of us have had previous lives where we died a terrible death...wars, been blown to bits...be-headings...burnings at the stake...major accidents...and the list goes on and on.

If this was the cause of remembering a past life, everyone would by now be chatting about their previous be-heading around the camp fire

So, the reasons we remember past lives has many sides to it and cannot be easily compiled into a list of a general nature.

We are all different and all at different and various states of consciousness and egotistical control...there is no one answer for the many sides of the human endeavour to reach an awakened and free state of existence.

Take care
Ray

I was thinking more in terms of unfinished personal business due to a life being cut short. This is found in ghosts and also with time slips. In Adventures in Time: Encounters with the Past, by Andrew MacKenzie, you have a number of stories of people walking into a deserted medieval village struck by the plague, or Versailles in the last days of Marie-Antoinette, or onto battlefields – the common denominator being multiple untimely deaths. It looks rather like people and even places that die in this manner leave an imprint on a place that can be picked later, and sometimes much later. I am merely speculating that some cases of reincarnation may fit into this broader picture, whereby a person (or aspect of a person), instead of becoming imprinted on a place, becomes imprinted on another person. If a life cut short were carried on by other means, then solving a murder mystery would be a by-product of that process rather than a case of revenge, karma or whatever.

The many other cases of violent death would likely not be untimely in this sense, or if they were, they may have been processed in subsequent lives. Just speculating here, as I said; I have no theory to defend.

[Finefeather]

Posted by araucaria (here)
I was thinking more in terms of unfinished personal business due to a life being cut short. This is found in ghosts and also with time slips. In Adventures in Time: Encounters with the Past, by Andrew MacKenzie, you have a number of stories of people walking into a deserted medieval village struck by the plague, or Versailles in the last days of Marie-Antoinette, or onto battlefields – the common denominator being multiple untimely deaths. It looks rather like people and even places that die in this manner leave an imprint on a place that can be picked later, and sometimes much later. I am merely speculating that some cases of reincarnation may fit into this broader picture, whereby a person (or aspect of a person), instead of becoming imprinted on a place, becomes imprinted on another person. If a life cut short were carried on by other means, then solving a murder mystery would be a by-product of that process rather than a case of revenge, karma or whatever.

The many other cases of violent death would likely not be untimely in this sense, or if they were, they may have been processed in subsequent lives. Just speculating here, as I said; I have no theory to defend.

Well yes I understand where you are going...and agree with you in concept.

Many people have their lives cut short from the 'plan' either by carelessness, recklessness, negligence, accidents or the doings of others...and it would be a great disappointment when they get to review their life.

I am not sure what you mean by 'time slips' because I do not think such a thing exists as some might understand it...time is simply a duration of some cycle and never changes...it is the consciousness which might slip or become unconscious for a while and this might appear as a 'time slip'...like when you sleep or get knocked out by that right to the jaw

Consciousness determines the continuity of the time we experience...time goes on regardless.

The ghosts that are reported by most are just discarded etheric shells of the dead bodies of the incarnating person. I have seen many of these in my OB work. They are automatons with no intelligence and usually dissipate quickly, but can hang around for a while depending on the energy of the persons materiality...they consist of etheric molecular matter...and contain residual energy from the live it was a part of.

There are on the other hand some real 'Souls' in the lower plains who can be seen by some gifted with 'sight'...these are people who are lost or confused as a result of a sudden death...for many reasons. I have been fortunate and had the opportunity to assist many of these OB during my life.

I once assisted some small children during the Libyan war after their home was bombed...they were stuck under the rubble and although blown to bits they had no idea their bodies were no longer any use. They were probably traumatised but were still able to understand what we were there for. We managed to get them to those who would care for them in the higher fixed 'astral' areas.

These kinds of confusion happen often at death because most don't realise that life goes on and when the excitement has died down and reality sets in we have a very different outlook to what took us out of the life...there is virtually no unhappiness in these higher worlds because we have a broader picture.

Anyway...their are so many different scenarios that we could go on all year and come up with different interesting cases to chat and speculate about.

All I was originally trying to convey was that each life has a new clean slate as far as our Physical, Emotional and Mental envelope consciousness is concerned.

Memories of what appear to be continuations of a previous life or 'unfinished business' are from the memory banks and nature of our true Self and can...in some cases...be seen as 'unfinished business'...but as I said before...these are not generally the norm.
They are usually a result of some individual or collective plan to resolve some conflict or to gain a broader understanding of some aspect of life for consciousness growth...or part of a much broader world assistance plan.

The goal of life is consciousness growth which results in vast amounts of life knowledge and the wisdom to conduct and use our life for the betterment of the entire Cosmos which we are a part of and in unity with...because of our individuality...which is never lost...

So a planned life...and the majority of lives are planned...is never a plan to hurt another although it might appear so to the ignorant onlooker...karma is stranger than you might think or believe.

I see so many people wining about how bad their lives are yet they never take half a second to wonder what their part is in their difficult lives.

Thanks for the opportunity this thread has given me to contribute...
I think I am finished here now...

With Love
Ray

[Flash]

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)
I was thinking more in terms of unfinished personal business due to a life being cut short. This is found in ghosts and also with time slips. In Adventures in Time: Encounters with the Past, by Andrew MacKenzie, you have a number of stories of people walking into a deserted medieval village struck by the plague, or Versailles in the last days of Marie-Antoinette, or onto battlefields – the common denominator being multiple untimely deaths. It looks rather like people and even places that die in this manner leave an imprint on a place that can be picked later, and sometimes much later. I am merely speculating that some cases of reincarnation may fit into this broader picture, whereby a person (or aspect of a person), instead of becoming imprinted on a place, becomes imprinted on another person. If a life cut short were carried on by other means, then solving a murder mystery would be a by-product of that process rather than a case of revenge, karma or whatever.

The many other cases of violent death would likely not be untimely in this sense, or if they were, they may have been processed in subsequent lives. Just speculating here, as I said; I have no theory to defend.

Well yes I understand where you are going...and agree with you in concept.

Many people have their lives cut short from the 'plan' either by carelessness, recklessness, negligence, accidents or the doings of others...and it would be a great disappointment when they get to review their life.

I am not sure what you mean by 'time slips' because I do not think such a thing exists as some might understand it...time is simply a duration of some cycle and never changes...it is the consciousness which might slip or become unconscious for a while and this might appear as a 'time slip'...like when you sleep or get knocked out by that right to the jaw

Consciousness determines the continuity of the time we experience...time goes on regardless.

The ghosts that are reported by most are just discarded etheric shells of the dead bodies of the incarnating person. I have seen many of these in my OB work. They are automatons with no intelligence and usually dissipate quickly, but can hang around for a while depending on the energy of the persons materiality...they consist of etheric molecular matter...and contain residual energy from the live it was a part of.

There are on the other hand some real 'Souls' in the lower plains who can be seen by some gifted with 'sight'...these are people who are lost or confused as a result of a sudden death...for many reasons. I have been fortunate and had the opportunity to assist many of these OB during my life.

I once assisted some small children during the Libyan war after their home was bombed...they were stuck under the rubble and although blown to bits they had no idea their bodies were no longer any use. They were probably traumatised but were still able to understand what we were there for. We managed to get them to those who would care for them in the higher fixed 'astral' areas.

These kinds of confusion happen often at death because most don't realise that life goes on and when the excitement has died down and reality sets in we have a very different outlook to what took us out of the life...there is virtually no unhappiness in these higher worlds because we have a broader picture.

Anyway...their are so many different scenarios that we could go on all year and come up with different interesting cases to chat and speculate about.

All I was originally trying to convey was that each life has a new clean slate as far as our Physical, Emotional and Mental envelope consciousness is concerned.

Memories of what appear to be continuations of a previous life or 'unfinished business' are from the memory banks and nature of our true Self and can...in some cases...be seen as 'unfinished business'...but as I said before...these are not generally the norm.
They are usually a result of some individual or collective plan to resolve some conflict or to gain a broader understanding of some aspect of life for consciousness growth...or part of a much broader world assistance plan.

The goal of life is consciousness growth which results in vast amounts of life knowledge and the wisdom to conduct and use our life for the betterment of the entire Cosmos which we are a part of and in unity with...because of our individuality...which is never lost...

So a planned life...and the majority of lives are planned...is never a plan to hurt another although it might appear so to the ignorant onlooker...karma is stranger than you might think or believe.

I see so many people wining about how bad their lives are yet they never take half a second to wonder what their part is in their difficult lives.

Thanks for the opportunity this thread has given me to contribute...
I think I am finished here now...

With Love
Ray

Thanks Finfeather and Araucaria

I truly enjoy reading both of you, lots of wisdom here and I always learn something new or futher the Learning path I am on. Many thanks.

[Robin]

I feel the need to bring this thread back after an epiphany of new observations.

For those who are convinced that the White Light is a good thing for souls to go to, I challenge you to re-think this notion. Why? Well, I'm sure that we ALL can agree that the PTB use media as a way to push their agendas and to provide information in a way that is creative so they can work off their Karma. Their reasoning for this is so they feel that they are still operating under the universal law of free will by putting out information for people to see, but tying their plans into films and books so people think of them as nothing more than fiction.

Here are a couple of case examples that come from series that we all are familiar with. Star Trek is a HUGE disclosure series, and no doubt contains a plethora of real-life scenarios, agendas, technology, and interactions that are part of our reality. In the 57th episode of Star Trek Voyager, "Coda," Kathryn Janeway is having a Near-death Experience, where an E.T. disguised as her father tries to convince her to go to a "light portal" so she can be saved. Seeing this as a trap while having flashbacks of people trying to resuscitate her dying body on Earth, out of free-will she refuses and chooses instead to go back to familiar voices. The E.T. gets angry that she discovered the real trick behind the 'White Light Trap."

I cannot find the appropriate clip on Youtube, save for in the middle of this video.

Watch this video from 25:12 to 31:00.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5PgX8l9AgzE

In addition, there is the case with J.R.R. Tolkien's works, the Lord of the Rings. Tolkien was deeply embedded in occult knowledge and wrote the Lord of the Rings as a fictional account of the true history of humanity. In other words, he was deeply awake and aware and wrote the series to wake people up. He was given special knowledge by certain people, and the Lord of the Rings is rich in DISCLOSURE.

Basically, everybody is Frodo on the journey to enlightenment. This is basically all you need to know for now, but I am currently creating a video that will go into Tolkien in further depth.

He references the White Light Trap in The Two Towers when Frodo and Sam are escorted through the Dead Marshes by Gollum. Gollum keeps telling them to "NOT FOLLOW THE LIGHTS" as their souls will be trapped, like all of the souls who died in a great battle and became victim to a reincarnation-type cycle. The fires that are lit by all the dead people represent the White Light Trap!

Watch this whole video:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=nPrJSRMr2Uc

And, of course, there is the example of A Bug's Life:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TTUQyEr-sg0

For those of you who refuse to believe Simon's claim that the White Light people see after death is a trap, which is validated by a lot of evidence, including what I've just shown you, I seriously wish you well on your soul journey after death. If you wish to continue this reincarnation cycle on this Prison Planet...then that decision is up to you.

[Omni]

It seems to me after we die and our soul leaves the body, we do not control what happens with our minds/souls. I think we are given an afterlife by technological means(perhaps), and then put into a young one to be reincarnated again.. So going into the white light or not would not be an option really, it would just happen or wouldn't.

Also, if beings are doing things to you, they don't need to do it after a white light or anything weird like that. They could just forgo the white light and put you in a VR(Virtual reality) or do whatever it is they wanted to do. Not like evil sources can take our souls after we die without opposition to such by ethical ETs.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Let’s use logic and two assumptions to look at this issue.

Assumption #1: There is nothing negative about being home with Source.

Assumption #2: If I choose to play in this reality again, or choose another reality game, I can make that decision while being home with Source.

I’ll develop now and reaffirm a strong intention to return home to Source at croak time, not to the light, a possible trap.

If my choice is effective, I am home free and can choose my next experience while in the best possible environment to make good decisions.

If my choice to avoid the light is irrelevant, or not effective, then what have I lost by setting my intention?

[donk]

Isn’t the fear of death limiting enough to humanity?

If there’s beings that can trick/trap/deceive us after our meatbag expires, is whatever preparation we think we are making now going to help us avoid getting our souls eaten?

I think it is interesting to entertain the thought that some diabolical beings can manipulate our paths after we die, just like now…as above, so below? But as former Philadelphia Eagle Ricky Watters famously said once: For who? For what?

You want to talk about logic? Mine tells me that if facing beings/tech that can trap and trick my soul, that this is all just a game where I’m being used--a battery for better informed inhabitants of the reality, able to manipulate in ways I cannot see—well, my free will choice (or at least, the illusion of it) will be based on the circumstances of that moment. I’m glad the idea has now been implanted into my consciousness, that anything I have been taught to think of as good (or God), can just be the “devil” in disguise. And that I have a lot to learn (or need to get real lucky…or real good help) in order to able to avoid it.

…but again, for who? For what?

I believe that all we really have is intention, which comes with (at least the illusion of) free will. So if faced with another illusion, I don’t believe I can make the wrong choice, that I can only have the “wrong” intentions.

I like thinking about the mechanics of the “white light”, just like I like imaging the ramifications of “official disclosure”. I feel I have grown a lot, learning when I am discerning information that may be of value to me, and when I am just consuming it—or just playing, or just distracting….always doing my best to keep in mind in that it’s mostly all “negotiable”, but for the truth.

In this case, the truth is:
-fear of death is one of the most limiting attachments a human can have, and perhaps the easiest to use to manipulate one.
-you can only be manipulated if you allow yourself to be--OR if the being manipulating you knows you better than you know yourself—and therefore has the ability to deceive you

To me, this means as to any white light traps, I will have to cross that bridge when I get there. Nearly all information received in this incarnation seems tainted to me, I try to consume it all as other’s perspectives, discerning the bits that many seem to share, knowing that everyone (especially me) probably doesn’t everything completely clearly/accurately. So the possibility that it’s a trap is important, nice to have that “bit” in my back pocket when I come to experience that which SOOOO many KNOW is good/God.

I don't fear death. I don't relish the idea of my soul being enslaved by another being after my death, but it is just as easy for a human to do it to me NOW (like, for example, the tons of slaves that have existed on this earth, manipulated by beings with more power--aka INFORMATION)...so I don't spend any more time fretting over it than I do worrying some freak is gonna kidnap my kids and sell them on the sex slave market. Sure, it could happen...is actually more likely than mantis beings from the tenth moon of Jupiter could use the energy that is me to light their farts. I'd love to dismantle the sex slave trade as much as I'd like to stop any horrid soul suckers tricking humanity, so I applaud anyone taking up either cause...just a gentle reminder: don't cause as more problems than you are trying to solve.

Anyways, like I said....it's interesting but not all that important...though to me, it does beg the questions: why does Heaven/reintegrating with Source to me seem like the exact definition of Hell?? How is being reabsorbed into “Source” or hanging with God in heaven any less of a “trap”? What exactly is it that most people around me, especially the more "open-minded" and "enlightened" ones, actually LIVE for?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9bKW7JkHKm8

[onawah]

There is a very good essay here:http://www.swami-center.org/en/text/Juan_Matus.html
on the instructions to Carlos Castenada's from his teacher, Don Juan Matus.
(It would be wonderful if we could skip the usual conversation about whether Matus actually existed on not, and just go on the merits of the teachings, which are excellent, by any standard, imho.)
Here are some samples from that essay:

What was the worldview concept of the School?
The universe consists of two “parallel” worlds: the first of them is called the tonal (that is, the world of material things), and the second — the nagual (the non-material world).
We communicate with the world of matter through the so-called first attention, i.e. the attention relying on the organs of sense of the physical body.
To become able of cognizing the nagual, one has to develop the second attention, that is, clairvoyance.
There is also the third attention, by means of which one perceives the Creator and His Manifestation, which don Juan referred to as the Fire.
According to the mythology shared by don Juan’s predecessors, the world is governed by the universal divine Eagle. This was their concept of God. However fantastic it seems, it is monotheistic.
This Eagle feeds on souls that leave human bodies. But the Eagle also confers the chance on some people to “skip” past His beak after death and to achieve immortality, provided that during their life in the body they acquired skills necessary for this, developed themselves as consciousnesses to the required degree, and gained the required power.
This concept contained a frightening element, which was supposed to force a person to make efforts on self-perfection. But, like Jesus Christ, don Juan strongly opposed this attitude towards God, which was based on fear. He said that in order to approach God, one has to take the path of heart — that is the path of Love. It is interesting that don Juan came to this understanding independently of the influence of other spiritual traditions. He was not familiar with the Teachings of either Krishna or Jesus Christ, nor has he ever read Sufi or Taoist books. It is obvious that he did not read the New Testament, otherwise he would quote it for sure.
A person resolved to achieve immortality, first has to become a “hunter”. Not a hunter who kills game, but that for knowledge, who walks the path of heart — caring, loving both the Earth and beings that live on it.
Having mastered the stage of spiritual “hunter”, one can become a spiritual “warrior” — that is the one who “traces” Power (God), striving to “stalk” It and to cognize It.

But suddenly he heard the voice of don Juan saying that this state was, though fine, — not that to which he had to aspire now. You have to advance further! Do not think that this is the limit of your abilities… With these words don Juan suggested to Castaneda, who had cognized the supreme bliss of Nirvana, not to “get attached” to this bliss, but to keep on going further… At first, Castaneda felt offended and angry with don Juan, but the latter was unbending: one must advance further!…
And what is further? It is the dynamic aspect of Nirvana when the crystallized consciousness acts in the subtle eons. In this state, one can touch with the consciousness any being within the Earth and around it; in order to do this, one needs just to have information about this being.
The state of Nirodhi, known in all developed Schools of Buddhi Yoga, don Juan described also in endemic terms specific to this School. The disciples were taught that there exist energy waves, which constantly roll on all living creatures and from which we are shielded by our cocoons. And that one can use the power of these waves for transferring oneself with their help into unknown worlds. (These unknown worlds are other spatial dimensions). To make it happen, one has to allow the rolling force to flood the cocoon. Then one turns into “nothing”, one’s “I” dies.
It is only after attaining the state of disappearance in Brahman that it becomes possible to cognize Ishvara — and to disappear in Him forever, having conquered death. That is, as don Juan understood, one must not “skip past the Eagle’s beak” but to merge into universal God-Power.

These instructions are comparable to those of any Mystery School devoted to achieving the freeing of the human soul, though the terminology and specific practices may differ.

It may also be useful to consider how the Native Americans view the Eagle.
From:http://www.native-american-spirituality.info/eagle.html

“I like the name Eagle. Eagle means much to an Native American…
“The eagle knows the freedom! The eagle knows the flight! The eagle lives where there are only the wind, the sun, mountains, fathomless precipices, and — the freedom!…
“The eagle is born free and dies free! It is born to fly, to live its life soaring over mountains! Uniting the wings with the wind, the eagle gains the power which allows soaring!…
“And when death comes — the eagle knows beforehand the time of its coming. The eagle rises high to the sky, for the last time, — and casts off the flesh unneeded from that moment on. The eagle continues living in the spirit, soaring above the tops of mountains illuminated by the rising sun!
“… I like the name Eagle. The Warrior of Spirit can be likened to an eagle! The Warrior of Spirit is born to live free and to die free! The Warrior of Spirit unites the Wings of Spirit with the Power of the Creator — and learns to soar over the world of matter, being guided and supported by this Power. The Warrior of Spirit soars through the current of Eternity, and the Power of God manifests Itself through Warrior’s body. The Warrior of Spirit glides in the Infinity and Eternity of life, bound by nothing but Love, and united with the Power by this Love!
“… The Warrior of Spirit knows the time of the death of the body and casts off the flesh, needed no longer, a moment before the body would die due to other reasons.
“But one can achieve even more: by uniting the Power with the physical body and igniting the Fire from within, the Warrior of Spirit can turn the matter of the body into Spirit!”

[bruno dante]

"Don't cause any more problems than you are trying to solve."

Thanks for your wisdom there Donk, and also for making me laugh today (the Jupiter pissing thing). Great post.

[DNA]

I think if folks develop a relationship with their quiet mind they will not need the voices of this thread giving advice on a matter such as this. I think fear is the biggest enemy here. I do not think there is a danger either way. It is my opinion (and that matters very little) that we should go into the light. But the dangers are probably very minimal if in fact we want to wonder around as a ghost for a little while first.

I think this is the single best example of why it would be a good thing for someone to go into the light.
It is the best documented, and scientifically validated NDE of all time in my opinion.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WNbdUEqDB-k

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Perhaps it is impossible for an eternal being to make an incorrect decision, be it going to the light, return to Source or anything else. From that perspective, choices are simply paths to explore on a never ending journey of self discovery. Some paths lead to more freedom, well being and joy. Other paths lead to more challenging learning experiences.

Then we learn and choose again.

[observer]

Nothing enrages me more than the idea that hyperdimensional entities are feeding on the soul-essence of the Mass of Humanity.

Any member is free to deny this concept, to categorize the idea as fear mongering, to mimic the cliché regarding how we create our own reality. These are all responses of an individual in denial of the evidence. The evidence for this feeding process goes back to the earliest written words discovered from antiquity. The trail of evidence can be followed back to the Dawn of Humanity.

No sentient being has the right to feed-off the essence of any other sentient being in any capacity. Feeding-off others is what got us cast into this pit of vipers in the first place. In a universe of Unconditional Love, one does not even entertain the concept of "feeding-off another sentient being". We are all dwelling here in this particular reality among the fallen. No message can be more clear, going all the way back into great antiquity.

If this particular reality were really a "place of ascension", each individual eternal soul would have total recall of their past life experiences. The lessons gained in the progression of lifetimes - both positive and negative - would be invaluable to any ascending soul. Only by denying access to this information can an hyperdimensional species hold power over those souls attempting to ascend back to a place of Unconditional Love. That access is denied through the clever process of "feeding on those energies".

Deny the facts all one wishes, we are all trapped here within this matrix, feeding a demiurge and the matrix structure that demiurge has created - a prison planet farming operation.

I can't say it with more emotion, don't go into the light.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ghSq2qlwrs0

We all have the free will to make any choice we wish....

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Posted by observer (here)
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Agreeing to the contract is the key to trapping one's eternal soul into this matrix. Many Souls make this agreement without ever realizing what they have done. Understanding this concept is the key to releasing one's self from this trap.

[citsym]

After reading this thread and the works of Dr. Corrado Malanga, I remembered that a house mate of mine, back in the mid 1990's, always saying "don't go to the light when you die". At the time we all thought he was mad... but now I thank him and the reminders I am getting at this time.

[heyokah]

Let's now try to see it from God's perspective.... (* satire)



Not for the faint of heart, the not-shock-resistant, the ones with weak anklets, or for those without a sense of humor....
Who did I leave out? Oh, yes.... the ones with 'good taste'. Of course.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Zxc20saM8DA

* ADD

If one cares to listen, the truth comes through.

As a friend of mine said, "Maybe "offense" is merely "a fence" that keeps out the faint of heart".

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[greybeard]

The lower astral is major force for misery, fear and pain in this world---that true.
So what to do about it????
I would suggest looking seriously at personal spiritual evolution.
For me that is enlightenment.
In that state going into the light or not is irrelevant---the enlightened do not reincarnate.
Nothing and no one has power over One in the enlightened state.
What is helpful too is avoidance of negative, fear raising input.
Disaster and Horror films being a case in point.

Some thing to keep in mind, according to thousands of years of enlightened spiritual teaching.
Nothing and no one including aliens are closer to spiritual Truth than you. me us.
This just has to be discovered.
Christ said it---"The Father resides within me, heaven is within" that applies to us too.
Doesn’t get much closer than that does it?
The absolute spiritual Truth, as set out in the oldest and most recent text, is that, there only is One with out a second and "I am that"
This applies to everyone without exception.

Chris

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by citsym (here)
After reading this thread and the works of Dr. Corrado Malanga, I remembered that a house mate of mine, back in the mid 1990's, always saying "don't go to the light when you die". At the time we all thought he was mad... but now I thank him and the reminders I am getting at this time.

The only thing that one realises after "dieing" is, that it was all just a dream, and the One who had the dream...

Namaste. 💜