What technologies, activities or concepts will be made obsolete by Free Energy

[risveglio]

Posted by Robert J. Niewiadomski (here)
Risveglio, there will never be such thing as "free market". Because of lack of integrity of the participants of "the market" there is tendency to centralize the influence and cut the wings of the competition. And "naturally" supress any technology that would upset the state of matter. I would rather call it "willfull" than free. When you supply the market goers with integrity, they stop abuseing each other and FEenters the market the next day. On the second day market goers will realize there is no more reason to trade when energy access is in abundance

The reason for trade is scarcity, right? Wrong? Then what?!

As for the group think, what exactly do you mean by this term?

Maybe its just too hard for me to picture but its good to know we think a free market system would be what we should strive for until we get free energy, thats good, i thought we were all going crazy.

Trade is just for scarcity? Is free energy going to increase the number of really great cooks? Will those cooks just share there food because they no longer have to pay for electricity? Again, I guess I just don't have the vision, or at least the same one. I do love the idea of free or even cheaper energy empowering more people to be lifted from poverty and starvation but I don't see it creating some utopian fantasy land. I see it more synonymic to when Rockefeller saved the whales not to Thor coming down to bring us all to Valhalla.

As for group think, maybe it doesn't happen in your country but here most people forget they are good, independent human beings filled with love. They replace that with whatever group they think they should/want to fit into and then make the rules of the group to decide what is right and wrong, instead of their good, loving, independent free self. It's become far more dangerous than any Church has ever been with the exception of maybe those crazy we all should commit suicide so we can ride Haley's comet kind of religions.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi risveglio and Robert:

As my upcoming essay makes clear, markets came with civilization, like slavery and the subjugation of women did. The first elites appeared with urban civilization, and they did it by controlling the first markets, skimming off the cream to become (relatively) rich, and the same dynamics have been playing out to this day. But when the energy surplus of a society was low, the methods of elite "skimming" were draconian. They only became more civilized when they controlled the system and people accepted its "legitimacy."

The next epochal event, after the Domestication Revolution (which led to civilization), was the Industrial Revolution. It was accompanied by the Scientific Revolution and the rise of capitalism, which was a more refined version of mercantilism. But if you study how capitalism began, in England, it was a similar coercive mechanism, but instead of just controlling the markets, the elites began, as Marx said, "controlling the means of production," by kicking the peasants off the land with Enclosure and Game laws. Those dispossessed peasants comprised the first labor force of the Industrial Revolution, and severing the peasants from the land was part of the industrialization process. A new class of elites rose with capitalism and, as I discovered the hard way, the idea of market control went on steroids with the rise of capitalism, reaching its apotheosis with the American robber barons. The classical economists were ideological warriors of the new capital class, and in their private writings it was obvious that creating rigged markets that the capital class controlled was the essence of the new political-economic system, and there was nothing "free" about it.

European elites are still in the game, even the old guard "royalty," and they all know the game they are playing. Being offered a billion dollars to stop pursuing free energy:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#offer

is what I call capitalism on steroids. In a world of scarcity, there is trade, where I need to get something for what I give, or else go hungry, homeless, etc. But that is all about energy, as my essay will make clear. There is not an economic "good" that is not primarily made and delivered by energy. Because most people are scientifically illiterate, even in the industrialized societies, they can barely fathom the role of hydrocarbon energy in their lives. All they know is that if they throw a switch, a light comes on, or if they put their foot on the accelerator, their car speeds along. It is all completely energy dependent, and the idea of energy surplus is particularly important. Today's industrial world rides on the backs of about a trillion energy slaves:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post831592

but it is anything but an abundant economy, with everybody chiseling to get theirs, and all under control of various elites who cream off their disproportionate share. If energy was abundant and harmlessly produced, the human standard of living would shoot up by a few orders of magnitude, and all of the food, clothing, shelter, transportation, communication, and other basics would be provided to all people on Earth for almost no human effort. If everybody had their needs easily met, what would be the point of "trade"?

Three hundred years ago, nobody questioned the "need" for slaves. The Industrial Revolution made the "institution" obsolete, and women were also liberated, as they were no longer needed to produce cheap labor. Elites did not appear until civilization, and they will disappear when the world has abundant, decentralized, and harmlessly produced energy, which is why they have been working so hard to suppress the appearance of free energy. At a minimum, the solar system will become the abode of humanity. Just like the richest man on Earth three hundred years ago lived like an animal (rarely bathing, for starters) compared to today's average American, Bill Gates would be seen as a cave man compared to the average citizen in a society based on free energy ("You mean that he never even left his home planet?" "He had to wipe what?").

As I have been writing for the past decade, the ultra-elites' greatest triumph has been making free energy and the kind of world that can come with it unimaginable:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/scarcity.htm

The crazed celebrity culture and elite worship is a symptom of our malaise, and that, along with elites, markets, and the like will disappear with the appearance of free energy and the myriad other technologies being kept under wraps:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#underground

So, just like people could not imagine the end of slavery, in a world where everybody knew their place, and women were barefoot and pregnant, people currently cannot even imagine the changes that would come with free energy and their attendant elite-suppressed technologies. Free energy would mean the end of economic scarcity, and ideas like getting rich and "trade" would cease to make sense (and the idea of "cooks" and other professions). There are works of art that actually hint at what that world would look like, Star Trek being one of them:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#trek

How many cooks were needed on Picard's Enterprise? I know people who have visited realities like this one:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post672748

and some brought back ideas for technologies that you use today, so I do not consider such accounts to be fantasy, but realities that will be our reality one day, if we can free our hearts and minds from the control mechanisms that exist today, that we unwittingly and often willingly submit to, such as thinking that markets and scrapping for our daily bread is somehow "natural," when it is only an artifact of our current economic condition, totally based on the level of energy that we use. There is nothing "natural" about capitalism and markets, although the elites would like us to think so.

Best,

Wade

[Melinda]

Posted by risveglio (here)
...Maybe its just too hard for me to picture but its good to know we think a free market system would be what we should strive for until we get free energy, thats good, i thought we were all going crazy.

Trade is just for scarcity? Is free energy going to increase the number of really great cooks? Will those cooks just share there food because they no longer have to pay for electricity? Again, I guess I just don't have the vision, or at least the same one. I do love the idea of free or even cheaper energy empowering more people to be lifted from poverty and starvation but I don't see it creating some utopian fantasy land...

Firstly, I think Wade’s response about the nature of markets was a clear, light-shining summation, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thank you Wade, for the upliftment and the clarity.

Secondly, for what it’s worth, this post isn’t directed at any particular poster, it is a response to risveglio’s words and the thoughts they trigger.



When I personally post the way I do (and I can only speak for myself) I can see how some people might find the nature of the posts frustrating. I can see why some people think it’s just some utopian fantasy.

Our current world doesn’t have many frames of reference for an existence without trade of a traditional nature. What’s never been had before can’t be had without first being imagined. In the cut throat and embittering world around us, imagining a utopia can seem like a pastime for dreamers, whose purpose is escapist and cuts no muster. No steel to it. No bite. Tried and aggressive metaphors for a tried, aggressive world. It has been tried, and so much about it doesn’t work, or work enough anymore. We have an opportunity to try something world-shifting, ground-breaking, paradigmatically new.

Yes - we have to transition in life, whether it’s to a utopia or anywhere else, but if we’re going to transition then our endeavour, our vision, needs an imprint of the kind of world we intend to create. That vision is paramount, because without it the transition risks being sucked back into the kind of world we had before.

Abundant ‘free energy’ exists both within and outside of us. Prior to being able to access it with external inventions our sole way to utilise it has been through our hearts and psyches. Whilst there may be rare individuals who have achieved this, levitating, teleporting and gleaning their sustenance from pure energy rather than craving physical food, most of us have a way to go before we’re there. In truth, our evolution in the physical realm has been partly a technological one, and that has had many advantages. Whilst we may naturally shudder at the destructive potential of technology, it has only been amplifying what exists within us. Men with axes and ropes can cut down a vast forest over many years. Men with free energy machines could do it in minutes. But even though men with ancient tools took longer, they did eventually bring the destruction in the same way. Whilst higher technology can wreak a different kind of devastation (nuclear winters or worse rather than forests simply emptied of life) the positive potential of advanced technology is vastly greater, and the difference is, abundant energy supplies (the likes of which people with axes / chainsaws haven’t had) can negate the need for the plundering altogether. Eliminating the circumstances that fuel the destructive, competitive urges.

Technology has brought us so many advantages. Who would want the children of tomorrow to be hearing – ‘We're sorry, you must live in a world with far less opportunity for growth and expansion because previous generations were too battered to imagine a harmonious way to continue transforming their application of technology. Given the opportunity to imagine something completely new, and given the tools (FE) to do it, they decided you’d be better off trying to access your inner reserves without the assistance of revolutionary means to mend and harmoniously advance your external world. We’re sorry we can’t teach you how to overcome physical hardship with only love from within. We didn’t learn how to do it, but we’re hoping you will. Then maybe you can show us.’

We don’t have to choose between a spiritual existence, barefoot in the forest with little technology, or a reign of droids separate from the divine qualities of nature and the earth. We can have a world with both the power of our psychic growth and our technological assistance, coexisting to enhance our experience of life. Technology is there to ease the hardships of the external world. Much of today’s immediate sharing of practical, spiritual and mystical solutions with millions of varied people around the world is happening because we have attained the technological means to do it. We have a way now to make the flawed and deeply ingrained ways of living, creating and exchanging, completely obsolete. That’s attainable, if we can choose to imagine it, and believe in that vision with such a deep understanding of how it is truly possible, that it resonates in our hearts and uplifts us like a spiritual fuel.

So even though the kind of free, fair, abundant world many speak of here can seem like a ‘utopian fantasy,’ it can actually be a genuine reality if we have the practical tools to make it happen – and FE is one such practical tool. It will not happen over night (without a miracle.) But it can happen. And the transition can hold steady, and take us where we wish to go, if we have a clear idea of what we envision for the future of our children’s children. I do not have a child, but I have young relatives. The children of the world often live in my soul, with their hopes and dreams, and speak to it frequently. And if they want to live in the forests, levitating, living off sunlight, and cherishing the company of forest creatures – it will be much easier for them to do that without a technological world crashing down at the edges of their culture due to competition over scarce resources. Some may be destined to fly in ships to the stars. Some may prefer to evolve with the earth. But FE is the means that make both opportunities possible.

To me, free energy can mean enough for everyone, and enough to evolve in the loving way you choose.

Having that vision, and holding it steady, in a world saddled with corruption and competitiveness, and perpetuated scarcity, is no easy feat. It is not for the faint hearted. I have days when I can do it – and days when it tests my limits. But with practice, it becomes less difficult, more reassured, and I can feel things shifting in a deep place. I’ve had to cry some tears to get there. When I look around and see the broken lives and wasted potential of so many people I find it all too easy to retreat and wonder if it can be changed at all. But I know from a very deep place within that it can be changed by the easing and transformation of external circumstances. An easing of burdens, and rebuilding of our infrastructure, sourced from a higher place within us.

The material world is a heavy weight, and those forces that hold us down (whether they live within our minds or in the people around us) are made stronger the more we buy into the illusion of that weight. It seems like a contradiction. To say the material world is illusion, but then to say it is a heavy weight that feels so real it can seem inescapable. One way out of both the illusion and the imprinting of its physical burdens, is to change the illusion into one of light. Until it pulses with such a high vibration it begins to match higher frequencies of another realm. So it approaches, and reaches, the frequencies of divine truth - of our highest potential. We can alter the physical world, and our relationship with it, so it empowers our journey beyond.

We can have infinite sharing, loving respect, and a lightness of being.

But first, we need to have the vision and believe in it.

[risveglio]

I guess I am looking at this the wrong way and will keep my feisty fingers at bay in this thread. I think my time on Avalon is winding down because I am personally looking for solutions that I can influence in the next 40 years within what I know to be reality of the world. I am open minded to most of the topics we discuss here but I can't discuss seriously if we don't box the content a little.

I do not see how free energy solves all but maybe I am not seeing deep enough. I thought free energy meant free electricity and we did not have any electricity years ago but yet did not have a utopia. I do believe that if we lived in a world with just love, it wouldn't matter what system we follow. I also have a completely different understanding of capital and markets. I see our problems, especially with markets being the fact that we have the state monopolizing our money, tax system, regulation, security, etc. A free market is simply a structure and has absolutely nothing to do with human faults and it is something I think we should try while the world still appears to be scarce. Way to many members here seem to think we live in a free market system and I have no clue how they think that way.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Risveglio:

Moving on to find what suits you is what the current freedom of the Internet provides, and I wish you well in finding what you are looking for. Manifesting love in a world of scarcity is no easy trick. My great nation has recently murdered several million people to keep its grip on the hydrocarbons leftover from the Tethys Ocean:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#invading

Hard to love each other, when if we don’t get the energy, they do, and we will gladly murder millions of them to get it, while naturally conjuring some noble rationale for our evil deeds. Hydrocarbon energy made the industrial world today. In the early days of civilization, when one city-state conquered another, they murdered or enslaved all of the losers. That was standard operating procedure. In the pre-civilized phase of human existence, the proportional deaths due to warfare were more than an order of magnitude larger than today, and under the hunter-gatherer mode of production there was no way to put the defeated under tribute, so killing all the men and taking the fertile women as "booty" was also the standard procedure, which actually hails all the way back to chimps and gorillas.

Two thousand years ago, the preferred entertainment in the world's greatest civilization was watching people being forced to murder each other, with the emperor leading the festivities. Only three centuries ago, before industrialization, slavery was "normal," with the institution not challenged anywhere on Earth, and all women were barefoot and pregnant in agricultural societies. Once machines appeared, when the energy to drive them was harnessed, slavery no longer made economic sense, and women were no longer needed to produce cheap labor, and they were liberated along with the slaves. Harnessing new levels of energy made that happen.

Civilization is vastly more humane than it once was. In the Roman Empire days, plunder for plunder's sake was "normal," and the greatest murdering thieves were honored. While we still honor murdering thieves:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#blueprint

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/columbus.htm

we at least try to sweep their crimes under the carpet, not celebrate them. I found out the hard way how the world really works:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post829430

and I know what already exists, not what is "possible." I am advocating a world that almost nobody today can even imagine, just like nobody could imagine it the other times the world changed:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post827022

It is not going to be an easy task, but it should keep me busy for the rest of my life.

Best of luck in your cyber-travels,

Wade

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Posted by risveglio (here)
(...)As for group think, maybe it doesn't happen in your country but here most people forget they are good, independent human beings filled with love. They replace that with whatever group they think they should/want to fit into and then make the rules of the group to decide what is right and wrong, instead of their good, loving, independent free self. It's become far more dangerous than any Church has ever been with the exception of maybe those crazy we all should commit suicide so we can ride Haley's comet kind of religions.

I don't know if you bother to read, but here it goes anyway...

Imho, "group think" is just a tool for achieving the goal. Just like the classic example: the knife. You can use it bene- or male-volently. It's such a pity we let ourselves be played like the violin by various GCs to use our thought coherence to achieve their goals that make our condition even more lamentable.

I like the comparison of coherent thoughts (or group think if you still insist) with laser and decoherent (or scattered) thoughts with an ordinary light bulb. With 1kW laser you can cut steel (at just 5%-15% efficiency!) and lasers do other miracles like allowing us to communicate here. With 1kW light bulb(s) you can just burn yourself badly Or lit up some "production facility" working for "not so free" market.

It's true you CAN hurt people with lasers. And that's the main purpose "group think" is used for in our world. And WE are responsible for allowing it that way when WE fall for evil tricks. Of course it's a result of some earlier played "group think effort". Fortunately there are many purposes to employ "group think" to.

Imagine what (at least potentially) we are capable of achieving if we worked/thinked coherently toward "right" goal. What if that goal is "just" to imagine FE being possible? I think we are group thinking to do just that

[risveglio]

Posted by Robert J. Niewiadomski (here)
Imagine what (at least potentially) we are capable of achieving if we worked/thinked coherently toward "right" goal. What if that goal is "just" to imagine FE being possible? I think we are group thinking to do just that

That's the problem. That is not the way it is here. Here it is, he does not think like the group so he either needs to be assimilated or terminated. It's destroyed what it is to be a civilization with unique ideas and lifestyles. Now we need to weigh our opinions based on the group. If my group thinks A is good but B is bad and I think B is good, then I either need to convince myself that B is bad or leave the group. Group think is dangerous. Giving special rights to groups over individuals is slowly destroying the US.

[risveglio]

Posted by Wade Frazier (here)
Hi Risveglio:

Moving on to find what suits you is what the current freedom of the Internet provides, and I wish you well in finding what you are looking for. Manifesting love in a world of scarcity is no easy trick. My great nation has recently murdered several million people to keep its grip on the hydrocarbons leftover from the Tethys Ocean:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#invading

Have you ever written again about how fooled those of us that supported Obama in '08 have become? How those that get there information from MSNBC or CNN are also misinformed. I have no disagreement that what we do as a nation is wrong and imperialist. I do think free energy can be the end of government, which would be awesome. Just not sure how it ends the need for trade. Those of us that have been lifted from poverty in one or two generations enjoy things that I do not see ending because energy is free. Like making a call to almost anyone anywhere in the world no matter where you are or being able to travel across the world. Don't I still need a pilot? Won't the plane still need a mechanic? Don't we need someone to come up with the design of the plane? Someone to lead the manufacturing? I just don't see how free energy alone ends all this.

[Ilie Pandia]

The very basic idea, that is deeply obfuscated today, is that: "Everything rides on energy!"

To address some of the questions:

"Don't I still need a pilot?"

No, you will not need a pilot. With abundant energy, systems can be designed (and have been designed) that do not require human supervision. Not to mention teleportation (that I assume is kept under wraps). So perhaps flying could become obsolete all together, but for sure it will not require a human pilot. (For a very very basic example, just to get the juices flowing, look at self driving cars, but even those are a far cry from what is possible today).

"Won't the plane still need a mechanic?"

Again, no. The need for a mechanic and maintenance is because builders cut corners, use poor quality materials and designs. With abundant energy that will no longer be the case. Addressing this example specifically: a device will use the best materials known to science at this time (and some are incredibly tough to break!) and the best designs. And we have a lot of good designs but they require too much energy that cannot be delivered by fossil fuel. All devices in the future will have feedback looks where they will self diagnose and possibly self repair or take themselves apart if the malfunction is too great. Again, this is possible today in the so called "white science". Another issue is that mechanics are needed today because devices are built so that they break down and so provide profit for connected maintenance industry. Today, because of profit, it makes sense to have thing break down slow enough so you can sell them, but fast enough so you can sell new ones.

"Don't we need someone to come up with the design of the plane?"

Yes, we do! But that is the fun part! It would feel like kids building castles in the sand and I would gladly volunteer my time for any kind of design work. Bring it on! Let me design.

"Someone to lead the manufacturing?"

No need. With the production facilities available today, this can be completely automated. Machines can easily replicate a prototype. The only reason we still use humans it's because machines would require too much energy to run. Now we just give some paper to a human and let him/her do the work and use the paper to buy food (energy) and come back tomorrow and continue working.

"I just don't see how free energy alone ends all this." <--- that's the crux of the matter and what this thread is all about

Wade's essay will do a great job of addressing this exact question. Once you see how everything is depended on energy is becomes crystal clear how abundant energy changes everything. No need for cooks, pilots, workers, mechanics and the like. The only "job" that will survive would be design, but that is actually what humans want to do anyway if you give them the chance and the tools and the energy to work it.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Once again, I see how well you understand. Yes, what humans excel at, and all want to do at some level, is be creative. Machines can do all the heavy lifting, all the mundane tasks, and do things that humans cannot dream of doing alone, such as sailing the stars. The first tools allowed people to leverage their efforts, and when protohumans learned to control fire, it literally led to humanity.

Humans began to become replaced in the work process with the first domestic animals that did human tasks, and dogs helping people hunt was likely the first such act. Draft animals came later, and the first cities, in Sumer, also are when and where the first sailboats were invented, which again replaced the need for human muscles.

When the watermill was invented, then the big replacement of people began, and by the time that Columbus sailed in 1492, watermills produced the work of 10 million people in Europe. But that ship that he sailed on was the greatest energy technology in history at that time, generating about 500 horsepower when under sail at 10 knots, which no human crew could hope to produce (that represented the work of several thousand people), which allowed Europe to turn the world's oceans into a low-energy transportation lane, and conquer the world.

In the first decade of the 18th century, wood-poor England learned to use coal to smelt metal, and also learned to make a steam engine to pump water from coal mines, and the Industrial Revolution began. That replacement of people accelerated with the development of cotton spinning machines that reproduced manual dexterity. Cotton spinning machines were first developed in the 1740s in England, run by the power of watermills, and by the 1790s, each machine, tended by one person, could do the work of 150 people. As I have written, today, the machines of the industrialized world do the work of a trillion people:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post831592

but that vastly understates the reality, as those machines often perform tasks that muscles never could, such as go to the moon.

Yes, the profit motive has been perhaps the most deleterious factor of all. Corporate propaganda has extolled the chase for profit as being the greatest source of innovation and wealth creation, but that is a lie that they promote. Necessity is the mother of invention, but the corporate order (and Godzilla, residing above that level) has been far more about repressing innovation than promoting it, and as you point out, planned obsolescence and creating a reason for people to come back for more. I saw instances of that long before I met Dennis, where the federal government tested bearings for engines, for instance, and found one that never wore out. That was the non-profit federal government, mind you, but they outright rejected the one that never wore out for those that would, as they could see how the commercial interests would not like something that never wore out. That idea is on steroids in corporate America and Godzilla's level, where making things designed to fall apart is a major goal.

Sparky Sweet's FE device, with no moving parts:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#sweet

would literally never wear out, so was bad news on more than one front. Make something once, and the "industry" is gone. What a nightmare for capitalists!

Godzilla's Golden Hoard is filled to the brim with technologies that render obsolete nearly all of today's industries. Yes, once that dam breaks, if it does before humans wipe themselves out, taking the ecosystems with them, then everything will change, and radically, and sacrosanct ideas like chasing the profit, and market share, become meaningless ideas, seen like cavemen's clubs are today.

Self-driving craft are already here in the "white" world, and I am sure it has already reached "magical" levels in Godzilla's world. Non-moving-part technology, which never wears out (or takes thousands of years to wear out), will be a big part of the upcoming epoch.

Best,

Wade

[risveglio]

I'll wait for the essay as you are right I don't understand. I know a lot about machines and robots, even built a couple little ones in my day but don't see how they get made and maintained without some human assistance. I will happily read your essay though I hope there is not too much Marx in it as Marx was an idiot.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Risveglio:

The last thing that anybody familiar with my work thinks is that there will not be a place for people thinking and designing. The reproduction of intelligence is in its infancy. I have worked in high tech for fifteen years, will likely spend the rest of my career in the field, nearly went to work for Microsoft in 1986, may still end up working for them (stranger things have happened in my career), and before that, I was the computer guy at my companies, and system design is probably my best skill.

If you do not yet understand the relationship between energy and work, and how all economies ride on the energy issue and always have, well, my essay should make the connections clear for serious readers, but probably the best single volume that I can recommend on the issue of energy and economics is Energy and the Wealth of Nations:

http://www.amazon.com/Energy-Wealth-...lth+of+Nations

There are some net-based resources on the work of those authors:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/139829237/...arles-A-S-Hall

http://www.esf.edu/efb/hall/

For the larger, more scientific view, I can recommend Energy: Engine of Evolution:

http://www.amazon.com/Energy-Engine-...e+of+Evolution

and Man, Energy, Society:

http://www.amazon.com/Man-Energy-Soc...rgy%2C+Society

If you want to bring something worthwhile to the table on these issues, there is plenty of homework that you can do and will need to do. Also, anybody familiar with my work knows that I regard American presidents as puppets – all of them – and the classical economists, from Smith to Marx, did their work before the science of energy developed, and neoclassical economics has even less excuse to ignore energy and obsess over money and markets. Money and markets do not mean much of anything in the big picture. The bottom line is that when all of life's necessities can be provided for almost no human effort (food, water, shelter, transportation, communication, and most material goods), there will never be want again on this planet, and the entire concept of money, markets, and the like, will fade to oblivion. It just will not be important, and ideas like getting rich, poverty, and the like will be relics of the Age of Scarcity. These are obviously very new ideas to you, and you will not have anything worth saying on the issue until you have gone deeply on them and, at minimum, that takes time and hard work, and ideas like retail politics and mainstream economics need to be left at the door if you want to have discussions on the issues that this thread, and the related ones, have discussed.

My work is more like the 21st century version of Fuller's work:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#fuller

Mainstream economics, and I do not care if it is capitalist or socialist, and retail politics do not mean much to me, and my work largely examines levels far above and below those shows that play out in the mainstream. They are largely distractions from the important issues.

To get back to the theme of this thread, what becomes obsolete with FE is poverty, scarcity, harming the ecosystem for human benefit, and retail politics and similar institutions become meaningless, along with all the other exchange professions. When there is economic abundance, those ideas that people think are important today cease to have any meaning (money, markets, exchange, getting rich, trying to avoid poverty), just like debating the most benign form of slavery or the best buggy whips became meaningless with the Industrial Revolution. The conversation I am mounting is far beyond anything that you have yet seen or imagined. You may not be able to go there, and that is OK. Not many will be able to. I am looking for needles in haystacks, and "intelligence" really has little to do with it, but letting go of our scarcity-based baggage.

Best,

Wade

[Melinda]

I was taking a look at The Venus Project site, and one of the lovely things about their work is the effort they’ve put into inspiring visuals.

Stimulating our imagination to visualise how a different, more environmentally friendly, and technologically assisted world could look.

I don’t want to discuss all the pros versus cons of the Venus Project philosophies or technological perspective; only wished to gratefully acknowledge some of their imagination / innovation.

I’ll just mention a couple of aspects that are relevant to this thread.

Watching their video presentation on Renewable Energy, I was struck by two significant points.

Firstly : the huge, bulky hardware necessary for the renewable technologies.

With independent free energy devices :
You wouldn’t need the large number of hardware-heavy solar, wind, geothermal or ocean-current harnessing technologies suggested in the Venus Project video. (One of their suggestions, for example, is the building of a vast dam across the Bering Strait, bridging Asia and Europe with the U.S.)
You wouldn’t need to mine the physical materials for the building and maintenance of that kind of energy delivering infrastructure.
You wouldn’t have to weave a technological web, itching across and looming over the landscape or the oceans (you wouldn’t even need roads), which is kinder to the earth.
Independent free energy devices, local to individuals, would mean that there was less risk of large numbers of people being effected by environmental factors. If (for instance) a storm severely damaged a traditional-style renewable energy plant, such as a wind or solar farm, it could cut power to vast numbers of people at once. With free energy you could lift your home out of harm’s way, or generate protective sheilds.

Secondly : the viability of the renewables.
Watching the Venus Project video I was reminded of a section in Brian O’ Leary’s book, The Energy Solution Revolution, where he addresses how these traditional renewables are likely not enough to handle our energy requirements in a developing world. Wade has also added a concise section to his essay on this, that’s pasted here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post838084
Having received the benefit of an energy-powered world - educational facilities, creative technologies, an extensive travel and transport-based infrastructure - I would like for the billions of people who’ve yet to experience it to have the option to receive its benefits in a way that’s benign for the environment. Free from drudgery. Free to be creative. Freed and inspired people, who feel safe and not bound by the pressures of survival, often consume / gather less ‘material’ clutter. When I feel happy and free, I’m often less hungry for physical food, let alone fanciful material goods.


Inspired by some of the visuals the Venus Project put together I made up a little vision of my own.



It’s my free energy and anti-gravity travel pod.

It gives me shelter and grows food and transports me to any (welcoming) location.

It draws water from the air, and purifies any waste, making the need for underground pipes, festering sewage plants and plumes of toxic exhaust obsolete.

It blends into the landscape, letting the light flow in and out, or closing it off when I seek the darkness to sleep.

It can fly me to a sun-kissed waterfall for a morning swim, making the trip to a chemical-filled, stagnant water pool obsolete.

It can fly me home in time for the beautiful sunset over my favourite hills.

With its speed, I can be learning from elders in the Himalayas after lunch, and teaching infants in London before dusk. Or I can stay by the tree I planted in Arizona for a year.

It makes worrying about earning money from what I do obsolete, because I can share skills and energy and inspiration with whomever I wish without worrying if I will get paid.

It makes relying on trains and boats and planes, hotels, motels and gridlocked traffic lanes (so pleasantly) obsolete. Maybe I won’t meet that interesting stranger on the bus any longer, but with my pod there are a greater number of other places we can meet.

It can make choosing between taking care of a poorly relative, or visiting a lonely friend far away, completely obsolete; since I can pick up my friend and we can choose herbs for a hot, medicinal broth and fly it to my relative for healing. Everyone can be happy.

It makes choosing between celebrating New Year’s Eve with people in Sydney, Australia, or NYC in the USA (and selecting my luggage) obsolete

It can open its roof for my plants to murmur to the trees, or open its floor if I want to feel the ground while I read as it rains outside.

It is silent so as I can hear the birds sing. It can open like a flower, so as I can climb to its upper levels and sing amongst them.

It can sound-proof itself if a thunderstorm is bothering my beloved wolves or the orangutans (who like to travel with me.)

It can turn to a mirror and reflect the trees, the stars, the skies full of clouds.

It operates on frequencies benign to other living, breathing beings.

It keeps me safe and warm and dry or cool. And because all my needs are taken care of, I am freer, and stronger, and lighter and generate a gladness, a warmth, a confidence from within that powers my ability to let the elements flow through me. So I have shelter when I choose it, but often choose to be blended in the natural world. And so my body’s relationship with nature strengthens.

Free energy makes so many difficult choices obsolete. It makes so many wonderful things possible and available and free.

Definitely worth thinking about

[Melinda]

I was thinking today about the reasons, the instinctive reactions, behind why some of us find it hard to imagine a world without money.

One issue that came to mind was this :

In a world that has been riddled with scarcity and elitism, and various forms of slavery, for so many centuries - the amount of abuse that has been passed down from generation to generation is incalculable. On some level, whether conscious or unconscious, many of us are carrying karmic wounds that stretch back through the long-suffering lineage of our ancestors. On some level, because of those wounds, and the ones received directly in our own lives, we somehow know that we are not fulfilling our highest potential. Many of us have regrets about not being stronger, or kinder, or more caring than we are – because life has beaten it out of us. Perhaps this wounded part of us wonders :

“If someone doesn’t need my money to help them live, why would they help me? Maybe they will only give to, or assist, the people they like? What if they don’t like me? At least I know in the system we have that if I need something, and get the money to buy it, someone, somewhere, regardless of what they think of me, will have to give me the goods I seek. They need me, no matter who I am or how I fail, or whatever I’ve done, to give them the money that helps them survive.”

You see it sometimes in people who are abusive, as customers or supervisors, to those employed to serve them. They use their position as a way of buying the right to have their inner turmoil witnessed and tolerated. They have been so drained of love, it is the only way they feel they have in that moment to affect someone’s life. They might be the first to wonder, were it not for money, why would anyone show them the care and attention they have struggled to nurture internally. They do not even seek others’ forgiveness, because they are afraid, deep down, that they are unable to find it for themselves.

It’s a fear of being rejected. Of being left out in the cold by a world that says “You’ve been so busy ignoring the side of you that is love, you have nothing I wish for, and I have no wish to be near you.”

I am an optimist. I know these wounds can be healed. But it can feel perilous. It can be a soul-testing, mind-bending, gut-wrenching path to practice faith in the grace that will catch us as we face our own lack. To learn that under the surface there is a connection to love of a deep nature, that never was, and never could be, damaged by the betrayal.

Healing that wound on a collective level can be greatly assisted by the advent of deep-rooted, authentic abundance. Whilst it comes down to each of us as sovereign individuals, going within and working on ourselves, by accessing the depths of our inner reserves - the difference external support can make is tremendous. Whether it’s someone dealing with drug addiction, or tendencies to violence, being met with the sobriety, kindness and disciplined compassion that can reach out from others, encircling them with healing – or whether it’s at the cultural and societal level of the energy made available for technology that eases our burdens, running its circuit through the system around us. When more energy reserves are made available to assist a process, it raises the level of support.

I look forward to people’s fear of being left out in the cold becoming truly obsolete.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

I'm back. I've been traveling for two weeks with little opportunity to check on the forum .

This thread assumes that F.E. exists today and it can be implemented. It also assumes an understanding of the following concept: Everything rides on Energy. Energy is at the basis of Everything. So this thread explores what would change, disappear or improve if unlimited amount of energy would become available. With that in mind I have moved the latest posts to a different thread.

Coming back on topic: This past week I've helped organizing a wedding. It was interesting but exhausting. All of that would go away in an Abundant Society.

What follows related to the Romanian customs and traditions, but I think the proceedings in other countries are similar as well.

The wedding has a different meaning for different people:

- for the parents it's a fund raising event and they hope that the funds raised will cover the expenses and if I all goes well will help the new family buy a house
- for the bride is an opportunity to shine, wear a beautiful and expensive dress, be in the spot light, dance, have a party to share her joy with friends and family
- for the groom it's just something that he needs to get through as fast and as painless as possible, without spending too much cash
- for the guests this is either a deposit (when they expect money back at their own wedding) or a payback (when they've had their wedding and now they return to pay the debt)
- for those in the weeding business it's a good opportunity to sell a lot of expensive and mostly useless stuff that will be thrown away after 20-24 hours. They capitalize on the conditioning that this is a "once in a lifetime event so no spending is too much" thinking.
- for some it will be fun and games, good food and dancing.

Of course the event will not be sold as I've detailed above and I'd be lying if I'd said that it was not beautiful.

But let's bring Free Energy to table and with that true abundance and have a look at the wedding experience. First of all, I don't think people would get married in the first place. This would be seen as just a useless business contract where both parties try to own rights on the other one and the family goods. It may be just my perception, but the motivation behind getting marries seems to be various fears (and not love). I don't think that families would disappear, but they would expand and evolve into something else, where ownership and "rights over" would not matter.

So even if we will not have weddings any more (some sigh in relief, others in despair) let's say that two people want to throw a party to share their joy with a larger group. There will be no question of costs, expenses, money donations and debt being created. And with that a lot has changed already. The only people that will show up are those that really want to be there for the joy of it, not because they are forced by their debt or and old custom. Now for everyone it will be just fun and games and dancing around, not for just a few.

Raising money for a house (or to cover the costs) goes away completely. The business of creating glamor so you can sell expensive products will also become obsolete. So this is starting to look more and more like a spontaneous "get together" to share in a joyous event. That reality may be so different that we could not even imagine today what a "party" would look like in a world where there is only play and joy. The reason for parties is to get away (even if briefly) from scarcity. And if scarcity is removed, what then ?

It may seem like we would be in one boring reality frame, but as someone pointed out: just look at the little children, who have no worries and have not been "scarcity conditioned" and they will never get bored .

[Melinda]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
...But let's bring Free Energy to table and with that true abundance and have a look at the wedding experience. First of all, I don't think people would get married in the first place...

Such a big subject Ilie.

One of the significant factors at play in marriage is obviously the related benefits for families, beyond the needs or wishes of the individuals marrying.

A classic example, throughout history, would be arranged marriages - whereby a poor but aristocratic family strategically marries their offspring into a moneyed family with no (or less) societal standing. The rich family benefits socially and economically from the elite family’s connections – and the elite family benefits from the rejuvenation of material wealth that the moneyed family can offer.

Even now marriages are still being arranged on the grounds of finding someone religiously, politically or socially compatible with the bride’s/groom’s parents’ wishes, rather than the couple’s.

The legal quagmire surrounding married couples, that is born of a scarcity-culture, is considerable. For example in some jurisdictions you can have a pre-nuptial agreement to protect one or both parties from the other’s perceived greed, in case the marriage breaks down. The premise is understandable, but also a saddening reflection of how the union is not purely one of spiritually-rooted values.

One of the most disturbing reflections of societal values within law is perhaps how it was only “…during the past 30 years when most laws against marital rape have been enacted […] The original justifications for the legal non-criminalization of marital rape were simply the result of the way marriage was understood historically in most cultures (legally requiring a wife to obey her husband, allowing a husband to punish his wife if she did not perform her duties etc.)”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marital_rape

There are millions of people who would choose to avoid marriage, whether arranged or not, if they felt it was viable economically. Millions too would divorce if it weren’t for the economic repercussions. If younger generations can afford their own home, transport and energy, there is no need to get together to split the rent/mortgage, no need to stay with a negative partner due to the material costs of divorce, and people can travel far more widely to broaden their chances of meeting a soulful partner who resonates with their higher aspects, rather than being limited to who amidst their community can meet their financial needs, or the religious and social desires of their families.

The wider distribution of wealth that came with the growth of ‘middle’ classes has obviously impacted the institution of marriage considerably. As one article quotes :
“The growing importance of the middle class and new money blurred the traditional social boundaries for marriage. With more social mobility, there was a growing "distaste" among the middle classes for thinking of marriage as "a family-arranged event for exchanging a daughter into a family for gain"”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17351133

In other words, with economic abundance (that stems from energy availability to fuel, build, produce) people become freer to focus instead on what their soul seeks. Too many people will convince themselves they love someone, because it understandably appeals more than facing the physical and social hardship that comes with financial self-sufficiency. In a free energy world, of high speed transportation and economic equality, everyone’s social network can be vastly enlarged – enabling those left vulnerable by leaving relationships to access a wider range of people, and faster, for healing support, nourishment and inspiration. That wider community could undoubtedly be built from earlier on in life, making it a supportive presence in the psyche long before the advent (let alone breakdown) of a partnership.

Having met divorcees who’ve been ostracized - by their old-fashioned village communities and also urban, more ‘progressive’ ones – simply because a community of established couples didn’t know how to relate to them as un-partnered individuals, the benefits of creating wider community through the aid of technology could be felt in both examples. Currently the internet scratches the surface of those benefits. But in a free energy world of vastly improved, universally available housing and transport, the networking can become increasingly physical and immediately psychic. Where the internet broadens our ‘virtual’ reach, a free energy world can broaden our physical reach. That seems like a natural progression.

As you rightly suggested Ilie, a world of abundance means weddings (when valued as symbols of love) are freer to take on the role of pure celebration. You could describe them as an energetic ritual. A psychic gathering of heart-centered well-wishing – to encircle the bonding couple in a wave of support, as a blessing to send them on their way. Much like a house-warming party, filled with valued friends, can imprint the air of a vacant space with familiar, good-hearted vibrations. The more we are freed from scarcity, the greater the room it creates in our lives to focus on kindness and a wealth of well-wishing toward others. We are freer to experience the blissful joy in what feels good, rather than simply relief because whatever is occurring is ‘needed.’

I can picture this future. A world of abundance, filled daily with celebrations – the gentle and full-bodied kind, rather than the raucous escapist kind - glowing on the surface of the planet, across the entire globe. Strengthening the atmosphere with our love. A beautiful thought.

[Melinda]

In resonance with the point touched on here :

Posted by Melinda (here)
...To what extent will our current idea of trade become obsolete?

…I came across this article today :

(NaturalNews) While most people are focused on paying their own bills, sorting through their own finances and seeking to generate more income, unemployed Brice Royer has made it his mission to pay others' rent. Such generosity is just one example of the many ways he helps others. Of course, the burning question exists: Why does he do it?

"Why do I pay others rent and not my own? It's simple. Buying and selling isn't love. It's trade. Giving and receiving is love," said Royer. "I believe trade disconnects us and caused my cancer."

You can read the rest of the short article here :

http://www.naturalnews.com/045932_tu..._kindness.html

One article it links to goes into detail about the Greek island of Ikaria, one of the places in the world where people are said to live longer than average, in good health :

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/ma...nted=all&_r=2&

In the extract below, one local comments on the neighbouring island :

“Pointing across the Aegean toward the neighboring island of Samos, he said: “Just 15 kilometers over there is a completely different world. There they are much more developed. There are high-rises and resorts and homes worth a million euros. In Samos, they care about money. Here, we don’t. For the many religious and cultural holidays, people pool their money and buy food and wine. If there is money left over, they give it to the poor. It’s not a ‘me’ place. It’s an ‘us’ place.””

The point about high rises reminded me of another potential benefit of free energy - that the unproductive overcrowding and pollution which occurs in cities and towns, in order to be close to resources (many of which are negative cultural influences), becomes obsolete.

As with so many stories of this nature, people can argue that it comes down to opinion, to a belief system, and - being difficult to prove in controlled scientific experiments - arguments over what’s provable get lost in the detail. But there is a basic logic in the idea that when we are not stressed by the pressures of having to sell to survive and buy to prove ourselves, uplifting feelings of freedom and healing are given breathing space. There is also beauty in living the truth that giving healing to others is also healing (or simply nourishing for) ourselves.

Whether there is establishment scientific consensus or not, more people by the day seem to be making the leap to this kind of logic and experiencing the proof of its benefit in their bodies and their lives.

With free energy, applied with love, we can all experience that breathing space. Not just the few.

Countless outdated ideas of what the future holds become obsolete.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NvtxFFj6eDY

Much love to all

[Melinda]

One thing that can become obsolete in a world of abundance is living in zones of misery.
Everyone can have a beautiful view, fresh air and live close to the earth, in harmony with her.

With that in mind, I wrote and picture-collaged another mini-vision.

The village begins to land




The village settles





A Future Village

My extended family, made of relatives and friends, has connected beautifully as a group for over ten years. We sense one another's wishes and intent. Some of us are from the North. Some from the South. Our stories and racial inheritance are as varied and complex as the stars. Many of us have shared one or two past lives together.

One of our favourite places to settle the village is in the warm region of the Mediterranean. August is a welcoming month, with mountain breezes winding their curious breath into the forests. We like to make camp beneath one of the giant trees that has been grown up in one of the growth stations that orbit the planet. Some of them grow hundreds of feet tall, and even bear fruit that is larger than you know what to do with. There is plenty.

There are ships of many colours and shapes. If you choose, the outer walls can mirror the outside. Some pods can mould a dip in the roof when the dwellers aren't using the interior upper levels, and then fill the dip with fresh water to make a pool for a summer swim. Other families enjoy growing vegetables on the lower levels, and slide them outside on occasion to invite neighbours or strangers to take their pick. It lets the array of patches commune with local nature spirits.

There are also those who are letting go of the material realm, and prefer the tent life, to be closer to the deer and the dark leopard that roam the land. They walk the earth, and some can even teleport. The tents are built to last hundreds of years, and are often passed down through generations. Sometimes a partner or a child is not yet evolved to a point of controlling their Qi or their psychic field, so it helps to have a room that is weatherproof, that won't tear.

We are always learning from each other, and new souls. My grandmother likes it here. She passed on many moons ago. But her spirit still enjoys visiting. Beneath the old cedar, she's been seen smiling. And laughing. I think she is pleased that we've arrived before the autumn falls. This was her favourite time of year. I get the feeling she's readying herself to move on. She has seen the arrival of my sister's new born, and knows, like we do, that he is destined to travel our solar system.

And Likely beyond.


All is well

[Melinda]

Posted by Wade Frazier (here)
I also recently realized how hard it is for people to understand what the implications for free energy really are on the pollution and environmental destruction front... […] ...even well-meaning and highly intelligent people, who have been in my camp for many years, still have a difficult time understanding it.

Wade, this is a very long post. I almost didn't share, because I know many here are already aware of everything I'll say, and I don't consider myself an 'educator' of your readers, or forum readers. But then a couple of synchronicities occurred that made me think perhaps I should post it, out of love for our planet. If people think I'm stating the obvious they can always join in with their own examples or questions. I posted over on this thread, so as not to take up room on the thread where your quotes are from.

It's really amazing how much FE could reconfigure.

Perhaps it can be seen two ways, in the material sense :
1) How free energy devices reduce immediate pollution
2) How a culture stemming from free energy introduction reduces waste in the long-term

How I've understood part of your aim Wade, is that free energy (FE) devices present a monumental shift in terms of our potential but also a required shift in the sense of our responsibility (especially with the more exotic, powerful tech, like 'zero-point' technologies, the likes of which inventor Floyd Sweet may have been on to.) It could well be that we haven't yet demonstrated as a planetary race the sufficient self-awareness, self-control, or basic and consistent kindness to our planet and each other, to qualify for such power at our fingertips on a local level. So in order to bring about FE introduction globally, from a grass-roots effort, that effort might need to be informed by a more evolved perspective; one rooted in the grounding of scientific analysis / enquiry and also uplifted by the frequency of benign, spiritual philosophy – uniting them both holistically; at a level higher than survivalist mentality – a level that that resonates with love, decency, integrity.

Some dislike the word 'holistic' – as though it has a gaping hole in it. But I think of it more as when parts of consciousness fuse together harmoniously, they create a metaphorical black hole, a singularity, opening an access point to other dimensions of thinking and travelling. (Just some word fun... Unless of course you believe a black hole is only destructive.) :

“...as Nassim Haramein showed in his theory black holes are far more than just large vacuum in space sucking all their surroundings. In fact, the equations from the Haramein-Rauscher solution for the Einstein equation are showing that these astrophysical objects are producing more matter than they absorb.”

https://resonance.is/new-evidences-s...tar-formation/

What if there's a kind of black hole within all of us, capable of producing life in ways we have yet to comprehend? A portal to access the rest of the multiverse via our consciousness, to travel using consciousness, and manifest with consciousness; affecting the physical / material world and dimensions beyond it. It's one way to describe or imagine what's at the core of 'level 19' abilities. (Scroll down here for levels chart : https://ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#coming )

Abundance abounds.

To access it, it would help to create a supportive, healing culture.

If enough of us can create a shared resonance, envisioning an advanced and healing way to apply FE technologies, perhaps that resonance / frequency in itself can pour the foundation, rewrite the code, for an entirely new paradigm - dissolving the blocks in collective consciousness and energy, enough to let the light in, so it takes hold and begins to grow. As though we are all white blood cells on the planet, and if enough activate we can cure the disease in the bloodstream, starting a chain reaction that enables the rest of the immune system (human race) to kick-in. Crucially, part 2 above (developing a free energy culture to reduce waste long-term) means bringing about a new system because we believe, and keep envisioning how, a new system is in fact possible. Clean energy tech alone can't remould our civilisation. It invites us to reconfigure the system around it.

Seeding and creating this new culture means giving up the idea that 'they' (the world's wealthiest minority) will never allow an economic remodel – and calls for enough of us believing a new model is viable, so the old system becomes weakened by diminished psychic / emotional support, and eventually made obsolete by the creation of new living methods that spread from within its midst. First as a consistent vision, and then through application.

I know that's a lot of words, and I apologise. I'm just in love with what they really mean for all of us.

Once the access to FE enables people to become more self-sufficient, and resolves the burden felt by generations for destroying earth's environment, we will have room to grow – free to think clearly, free to be kinder because our immediate concerns are no longer moulded by our survival needs. Free to collaborate rather than compete, because (for example) we will not feel pressured to rush our work or cover our mistakes for fear of losing a job we depend on for food, shelter, transport. That doesn't come about from simply giving people FE devices. It grows from creating a free energy culture.

It's a little like the old saying of give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, but teach him how to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. Connecting FE devices to people's homes can mean a reduction in energy bills. But providing ways to use that device to become independent and change the average way of life, by offering models for an entirely different culture, and you sew the seeds for a new way of life, beyond sustainability within competition, and into abundance via collaboration.

I think the first step is how it will relieve people of a lot of guilt from destruction, which acts like poison in the unconscious. Many of us bury it for fear of how it will be too much to bear if we acknowledge it consciously before having confidence in the tools to change our ways. We are nation after nation of addicts, hooked up from birth to a system that is inherently toxic. But we have a choice. Proper, clean energy devices enable all of us to change our ways, because we no longer have to depend on an abusive, corrupted economic system. We can thrive on decency and extraordinary levels of benign creativity.


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There is so much waste and pollution that can be reduced.

I like picturing the basic things, like how FE can mean taking the billions of tons of waste dumped annually, and recycling it locally; unlike a lot of today's recycling that gets removed from view, even shipped off to other countries, for incineration or landfill :

'Americans' plastic recycling is dumped in landfills, investigation shows' :
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ling-landfills

I recall a TV news item decades ago, that showed letters with UK addresses (that had been donated for recycle) at a landfill site in China; the journalist pointed out that consumers who 'recycled' those items in England would have had no idea that's where it would end up.

On waste in general :

“Every year we dump a massive 2.12 billion tons of waste. If all this waste was put on trucks they would go around the world 24 times. This stunning amount of waste is partly because 99 percent of the stuff we buy is trashed within 6 months.”

https://www.theworldcounts.com/count...ld_waste_facts

With FE access : people could have many more recycling plants locally, where anti-gravity craft could regularly collect the waste and deliver it at high speed to manufacturing plants. From plastics and metals, to ceramics and textiles, and more. Perhaps advanced energy technology instead of water or harmful chemicals can be used to sterilise materials before they are repurposed. Better yet, people can have cleanly-powered 3D printers in their homes, or shared in their apartment blocks (connected to the internet with open-source design software), to take the waste and generate new and needed items, so it doesn't need to be taken elsewhere. People can build their own tools, clothes, furniture to a customised specification. Reducing the warehouse stock that nobody wants, and recycling what would end up discarded. Imagine tech that could take old jars or an unwanted chair and remould them into a house lamp or a garden tool in minutes, based on your own or an internet design template. Take old computers / machines and build new ones, without even leaving your home.

Anti-gravity vessels can haul massive dumps of waste, decades old, from the earth and the oceans, and recycle it for use in homes, vehicles, clothes and machines. Who knows what pioneering, toughened or breathable, hybrid materials can be invented? A clear-thinking scientific community, in a free energy culture, could invent materials that are not only resilient, but harmless to our bodies, the way some of earth's natural materials are. Because more people would have access to energy, it would expand that scientific community of inventors and creators. Far more good ideas, inventions, recycling methods, all enabled to flourish without bosses, who may lack integrity (or imagination) getting in the way. One of the wonderful products of a culture that would have room to prioritise depth and sense before profit and speed.

I can predict people fearing that this freedom would mean a mass 'outbreak' of irresponsible egomaniacs running wild, inventing dangerous mistakes. But that is exactly what has been happening with the current machine of corporate oversight and responsibility, with cover-up after cover-up (only some of which is brought to public attention, thanks sometimes to brave whistle-blowers.) Cover-ups that regularly result in death and disabilities from wars, polluted ecosystems, deadly pharmaceuticals, slowly-poisonous foods or unhealthy equipment, etc, etc. It's not simple suing a corporate offender, if you lack the funds / time for a drawn out court case. The system is deeply imbalanced.

For as long as people are creating waste because their incomes depend on it, we have a problem.

We can't even handle the amount of recycle dumped legally. Then there's this :

'Company fined for illegal waste dump that killed protected species'
https://resource.co/article/company-...-species-12727

“EA Officer Lyndon Essex commented: “Waste crime is a serious offence with tough penalties as it can damage the environment and undermine those who operate legally. This case sends out a clear message that we will not hesitate to take action to ensure the protection of the environment.” Waste crime remains an urgent problem in England, with more than 850 new illegal sites discovered by the EA in 2016/17.”

But under our current profit-led system, being careless is cheaper :

“cruise lines have frequently found it cheaper to pay fines than stop dumping. In 2016, for instance, Princess Cruise Lines was fined $40 million for secretly dumping raw bilge waste into the ocean through what was dubbed “a magic pipe.”
From 'Cruise Tourism in the Caribbean: Selling Sunshine' by Martha Honey

The same entity went on to offend yet again :
https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevorn...in-the-bahamas

That kind of cost-effective dumping (despite fines) is not limited to the leisure industry, and in a world of 'corporate responsibility' who knows what toxic and hazardous waste is festering in the oceans.

I just read that 71 percent of the earth's surface is water (we are not short of water, only the energy culture to desalinate and recycle it properly) and I think on how we live in a globally connected ecosystem.

“An estimated 14 billion pounds of trash - most of it plastic - is dumped in the world’s oceans every year.”
https://seastewards.org/projects/hea...-and-plastics/

But even without plastic waste (bottles, bags, cosmetics' micro-beads etc), clean energy powering buildings and transport, and everything else, means no more oil spills, nuclear or toxic waste, dumped or buried in our oceans, rivers, farmland, or landfill – polluting the surface and the earth beneath, with waste seeping into ecosystems, animals, wind, rain and underground water supplies. Clean energy can mean new ways to sterilise without chemicals, so less or no toxic cleaning agents or 'forever chemicals' will end up in the water supply.

What if we had the tools to remain creative, but stop creating the waste altogether?

FE can mean far less construction waste, from tooth brushes to buildings. Less waste from all kinds of factory production and retail waste : including cosmetics and pharmaceuticals and their packaging. Firstly, I think make-up will voluntarily become obsolete in an advanced culture, as we grow to be less superficial (but prior to that evolution we can invent less toxic forms, so no need for any faces to panic.) Secondly, a think a lot of advanced technology, not even dependent on high energy input, could mend the body without polluting it with chemicals. There are already natural plants that can provide cures, and advanced technology can complement that rather than replace it. Those natural medicines get suppressed in a world of corporate power. A healthy FE culture is about empowering communities to invent and produce for themselves, and share the results for the joy and the sheer sense of it.

Anti-gravity drones can be used to fly food waste for mulching to organic farms. Advanced tech could scan the waste for pollutants to avoid them re-entering the ecosystem. Free energy can mean people recycling metal and other materials at home and building (with 3D printers) indoor greenhouses, growing their own food and medicine, using their own fertiliser (from food waste), and sharing that food with their neighbours - reducing the global agricultural footprint on the land. Maybe advanced energy systems can mean home-based sewage destruction / sterilisation or repurposing as fertiliser, and no more chemicals in the process.

Non-localised food production and distribution currently results in immense waste :

“food production is the single greatest environmental impact humans have on the planet, and wasted food, if it were a country, would rank as the third largest emitter of greenhouse gases after China and the US (FAO, 2013).”

“One third of food grown globally is never eaten — a shameful waste of land, water and resources”

“Feedback’s investigations into international supply chains... […] ...has shown us first-hand the scale of food waste that occurs on farms, largely unseen to the public.”

“suppliers operate within a ‘climate of fear’ due to highly imbalanced market power between retailers and suppliers, which prevents them speaking out”

https://feedbackglobal.org/wp-conten...te_report_.pdf

Profit-driven intimidation and pollution, at work once again.


One of my favourite FE culture shifts (given I have regular reminders as an urbanite) is imagining the reduction in noise pollution, from machinery, traffic and construction. Less friction from moving parts – an obvious example being an anti-gravity craft versus a 10 ton lorry. Or picture inventors globally, inventing new ways to soundproof existing machinery and sharing ways to produce the materials via the web. Imagine all the men who currently twist their muscles and damage their hearing using drills to construct or repair buildings, vehicles and underground pipes, instead using FE powered, quiet lasers to swiftly cut materials or demolish old buildings, and FE craft to lift the waste to where it can be recycled. In a free energy culture you won't even need underground pipes any more, as water can be recycled and rejuvenated / restructured at home, even drawn from the air to begin with.

Many of the examples above would be in the early stages of an FE culture, before more people eventually make the move out of tower blocks and cramped cities, into mobile flying homes that can take them not only out of harms way (from storms, earthquakes, fires, tsunamis) but into the solar system beyond earth's skies. Cleanly powered flying vehicles meaning we no longer have to destroy woodland for roads or train lines. I recently signed a petition to protect ancient woodland from that very thing. Imagine every craft being equipped with a recycling machine. No more trash being tossed out of car windows, bashing some poor unsuspecting badger on the head.

As people glean more power locally, they can create and maintain more resources locally, negating the need for people to concentrate resources in cities, enabling people to live in spaces where they can have a more fulfilling connection to nature and room to grow foods and medicines locally, indoors or outdoors. If we live closer to nature, with the free-energy tools to create what we want without chopping down forests and sucking oils and metals from the ground, we are more likely to develop or strengthen a kinship with nature once again - reactivating lost instincts and psychic connections that wait dormant in our psyches or our DNA. It will cure so many causes of loneliness and depression, to reconnect with the vast, varied web of life we were born to.

People sometimes romanticise ancient, tribal living, precisely because of that connection to nature. But with an FE culture of travel and information access, we are freer to build communities based on resonance. Not just through social media, but through physical travel and proximity. I think, for most of us, that's preferable to marrying who the tribal chief approves out of the available 'stock' and pushing out babies to tend the future crops. Most of us appreciate a washing machine, rather than slaving over a steaming pot with a paddle. Equally, I think most people would prefer an anti-gravity craft, over getting stuck in the mud on a country drive, changing tires in a midnight deluge. At least if your FE craft gets the tech equivalent of a 'flat tire' you might have a food farm, a bed and a bathroom inside. And central heating that doesn't die with the car battery. But eventually, the freedom of a free energy culture can lead us back to the joy of our bodies – their capacity for resilience, our capacity to control them – unlike contemporary culture that wears them out with dead-end jobs and fast, factory food.

With clean abundant energy reducing the cost of everything (transport, building, manufacture, recycling...) people are less enslaved, and free to breathe with relief, given the tools to live not only responsibly, but creatively without enforced 'austerity' measures.

I love that gist, so I put it in bold.

Once this conversation can be supported globally, the world's brightest minds can contribute openly to suggesting ways to gradually wean ourselves off of the old economic system. The conversation about people's jobs being made redundant has already begun, with public figures like Mark Zuckerberg and others floating the idea of a universal income, as technology increasingly makes certain jobs obsolete. In that scenario, people do not have the power, corporations do, so people would be dependent on income from authorities for sustenance, while large companies profit from reducing employee costs. In an FE culture model, most people could be given tools to sustain themselves, and create their own benefits, without handouts. If enough people can envision it responsibly, and the conversation about systemic change can be brought, then the economic and societal disruption can be minimised, and the transition mapped with common sense.

Does anyone really believe that the current, bank/profit led economic system takes better care of life than an FE culture would? Better care of the environment, of people consistently made ill, redundant or homeless? The same system that has provided 'recycling' facilities for years, but doesn't recycle much of that collection. The same system where it's cheaper to pay fines than to 'properly' (a questionable word) dispose of hazardous and toxic waste. The same system that lets people starve in one place, while profiting from food waste in another. The same system that lets people suffer from debilitating diseases rather than quit suppressing cures that are inexpensive and harmless to our bodies. The same system where war and death are lucrative industries.


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As I envisage it, clean energy should be about clean systems that echo nature's most effective, harmonious principals.

An example of the opposite principals would be hydro-power from dams, which block the natural flow of earth's water and its inhabitants; or nuclear power with waste so toxic it has to be sealed and buried.

Nature has cyclical systems, where the excrement or decay from its flora and fauna becomes nourishment for the soils, which absorb it, to nourish the seeds that become our foods and medicine – and around it goes. Atoms and energy, in dense physical form, changing forms, being transformed. Clean energy devices may work on similar principals of cycling energy. I'm no inventor, no scientist. But I'm reminded of the toroidal form described by Adam Trombly in his discussion in the film Thrive (see this clip, 83 seconds long) :

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4vZRKVJQKUk

Who even knows how many simpler energy devices have been suppressed, as inventors apply for patents and their work is seized due to it having potential military applications (or some other reason), or buried by powerful companies who buy out inventors? Perhaps technologies that are advanced forms of solar or based on water fuel. Designs that massively improve the efficiency of existing technology.

Posted by Wade Frazier (here)
With the technologies that my friend was shown, it would be child’s play to mine the 16 Psyche asteroid, which is almost pure metal. That one asteroid alone would provide all of humanity’s metal needs for the next several million years, at minimum.

I have always been fascinated by the asteroid mining suggestion. It's recycling, but on a potentially galactic level. No more cognitive dissonance for the hippies who love their laptops. No more plundering Africa, and turning a blind eye to how it is steeped in blood, just so the world outside can have its tablets and cell phones :

“Pick up any household electronic -- a phone, a remote, or a laptop -- and it could contain minerals mined in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, a country where armed rebel groups connected with crimes of rape and murder profit from trade of these minerals.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...-congo/241663/

'Congo mine deploys digital weapons in fight against conflict minerals' (2019 article) :
“Car companies and electronics firms such as Apple, Samsung and IBM are all under pressure to show metals used in products such as laptops, video game consoles or electric vehicle batteries are sourced responsibly”

“ITSCI plans to introduce digital systems soon in Burundi, Rwanda and Uganda, while RCS operates its barcode system at two Rwandan mines. But both say it would be difficult to do the same across Congo due to poor infrastructure and high costs.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN1WG2W1

Let Africa be sovereign, and have the tools to develop freely and experience prosperity. No more modern, corporate twists on old Western imperialism - fuelled in the current era by average consumers, no longer just the dictate of kings and queens. We all play our part and can embrace the solutions.

With an FE culture, people can be equipped with the power and tools to share, via open source, the methods to manufacture and recycle locally – taking the reigns from the corporate profiteers with their substandard manufacture, its built-in obsolescence and limited lifespan for software and parts.

Even the manufacture of 'environmentally friendly' solar panels and recycling of e-waste can currently be problematic, even toxic, as I referenced here :

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post823095

where I linked to this article :

'A Scarcity of Rare Metals Is Hindering Green Technologies'
https://e360.yale.edu/features/a_sca...n_technologies

Solar panels and wind-farms all take up room, can be intermittent (depending on weather) and can interfere with ecosystems. What if we were able to have small devices / generators small enough to fit in the corner of a car boot, or a kitchen cabinet, nestled under the stairs, or on a rooftop? There may well be issues with a new, different kind of pollution, electromagnetic or otherwise, that comes with such devices. But the sooner we are strong enough in numbers to make an intelligent FE conversation audible, in a way that is safe and evolved, the sooner we can address them, if they exist. There will always be naysayers and disinformation infiltrators, surfacing to sabotage. The issue is whether enough of a stronger frequency can emerge to mute that influence.


The Biggest Leap :

Many advanced gadgets to help us recycle and stop polluting are a just warm-ups for what could be the most fundamental shift that arises eventually from an advanced free energy culture. Namely that a lot of greed or desire (and pollution with it) is arguably born out of a sense of having been deprived – deprived due to lack of earnings, or deprived due to spending so much time earning, or competing for love or money, that you crave 'goods' as a trophy reward or a distraction. Once people are able to experience material abundance it follows that many will likely lose interest in 'possessing' the material and opt for a less materialist, more streamlined way of life – as their minds are drawn to deeper ideas and higher dimensions of thinking.

A lot of spiritual or emotional 'pollution' such as racism or bigotry is born out of poverty and insecurity (even wealthy bigots are insecure about losing their wealth, or feel guilty deep down for how they got it.) With a clean energy culture removing that class divide, the causes of much competition and insecurity can be lessened significantly.

Posted by Wade Frazier (here)
I have a much higher opinion of humanity than the doomsayers who openly fear free energy and argue that with free energy, humanity would just have bigger wars and quickly strip-mine Earth. Not only do such people hold a dim view of humanity, history has shown that it is not even accurate and actively ignores that people will become more humane and act more harmlessly if they can afford to.

And these might be, in some cases, the same pessimists who claim we need to reduce our population drastically, which connects up with a point I didn't mention in my last post; that the push for people to alter their own bodies through transgender choices, could also lead to an increase in numbers of people who won't procreate.

With a particularly world-famous, elitist British family in the news of late, I was reminded of a well known 'quip' by one of its senior members, that should he re-incarnate he might choose to come back as a deadly virus to help with earth's overpopulation problem. I don't think it's any secret that certain individuals think nothing of floating such vile ideas as a solution to what they consider too many people on the planet, despite apparently being reluctant to relieve the earth of themselves first to lighten the burden.

Do we want a world that enables all of us to live safely and prosper, whilst simultaneously healing earth's environment? Or would we rather let people in positions of power keep telling us there is no option other than to sterilise or eliminate many of us and reduce standards of living and creativity for those 'lucky' enough to remain? Hmmn. Pretty sure I don't like the latter option, nor do I trust those hinting at or promoting it as logical.

Raise the standard of living, which depends on energy access, and people will likely not be having as many children, partly because they have other things they would rather be doing, or they are better educated, or they no longer fear losing children to ill health, but also because they will no longer be dependent on offspring to help with labour for survival or to care for them in old age :

Krishna made a post about population growth gradually slowing, a long time ago in Post 5308 on thread Page 266 :

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post972518

I don't think the biggest threat to humanity and the earth is population growth, it is the stunted growth of our thinking, the perpetuation of artificial scarcity that fuels a narrow-minded and survivalist mindset. You won't cure that with enforced austerity. You can cure it with clean energy, in the spiritual and material realms.

Pollution and destruction in a world of austerity, versus an environmentally responsible paradise on earth; the creation of which could assist us all in raising our consciousness to travel to higher dimensions after our souls leave our bodies. Hmmn, not exactly the hardest of choices.

Over the years I have had, I believe, a tiny amount of experience with affecting electronics and matter with my mind. There are probably millions who have had that kind of experience consciously (and perhaps billions more unconsciously.) When I would do little experiments with electronics I would feel a change in my body, my brain chemistry and my energy field, and afterwards I would pray – to focus that heightened creational energy towards peace, in alignment with the highest good of all. But there was one particular occasion where I had an experience of moving a dense (though not heavy) physical object through psychokinesis, and in my mind I asked for confirmation that we were connected and asked it to move again, and it did.

I was on a natural, soulful high and highly charged with energy, having not long before been through an experience that involved adrenaline, around many hundreds of people whose emotion was fairly charged, also in a positive way and focused at me. I wonder if I had empathically absorbed others' energy, and having created an experience, in the dreamer's sense 'from the heart,' it all came together. A combination of fuels - spiritual, psychic, physical. It is all about energy. Though there are far easier ways to enhance those abilities, and sometimes they emerge effortlessly, in solitude, in the early hours of a morning, when the mind is too tired to create a block. It simply gets out of the way.

On a path to level 19 culture we are capable of accessing all kinds of innate abilities, as many individuals already do. Healing with energy, experiencing and learning clairsentience, clairvoyance, remote-viewing, teleportation using consciousness instead of hardware. We are incredibly powerful. Another benefit of a relaxed and benign free energy culture, is that not only will more people have the time to explore these abilities through love, but the more who develop them, the more will be awakened to them in themselves, simply by being surrounded by others in whom the abilities are already active. It is our nature as psychic beings, connected to one another, although it has been suppressed for so long – with shamans and practitioners fearing for their lives.

I understand why sometimes this subject feels so huge, the potential so vast, that people prefer to leave our destinies to God. But what if while we are on earth we are prone to experience what is merely an illusion, however persistent and frustrating, of being separate from that divine intelligence? I do not see a free energy culture of gadgets and 'man made' machines drawing us further from the natural or the spiritual world. That's an experience of technology abuse, through the pressures of a corporatocracy and its distorted, profit-driven aims. We can create something completely different. A world and a culture that is deeply connected to divine intelligence. A world that deeply embraces the earth and her beings.

Personally, I am not interested in a world of technology implanted in the body. That is something being pushed by profiteering corporations, that gives easier access to and control over populations. I prefer to visualise a culture where technology assists us in polluting less; providing us with tools to protect ourselves from destructive natural forces, and supporting creativity so we can effectively share our learning, our sciences, our art. Freeing us from drudgery so we have choices. The choice to develop psychically, given the chance to focus. The choice to live in sublime simplicity, barefoot and bathed in forest light, communing with earth spirits and higher dimensional beings – or make lives of stimulating complexity, flying through the stars in exploratory craft and learning alien language. Plus everything that flows in between.

I know some people believe it's naïve of me to waste time, dreaming up an FE culture that will never be 'permitted.' My answer to them is, that level of thinking is hardly helping.

As always, love is key. Love of earth, her array of life.

And a forgiving, loving vision of our own humanity.

Our potential is technically and truly infinite.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Well, Melinda’s post is a perfect example of the issues that I face in this task. I had to coax her to post it. We’ll see if anybody tops that this year. Lots to respond to, and I’ll just cut to the chase and say that all that Melinda points to as future possibilities is on the pathway to this.

The harmonic effect of a choir will be real, but I don’t expect that 99.999% or so of humanity will begin to understand until free energy is delivered into their lives, and that is OK. I don’t expect that the choir that I have in mind will serenade humanity into a higher level of integrity and sentience, but it will serve as the center of gravity for the people who will do something. If anybody else gets anything out of it, it will be gravy. I only need a hundred thousand or so of those do-something people, if we were going to do all of the heavy lifting ourselves, but that also might not be necessary. For them, the choir will be critical, serving as inspiration and guidance. Once FE makes its appearance, the choir can definitely help guide humanity into a harmless transition into the Fifth Epoch.

I have stated this many times, and the parallels are a good one for getting a glimpse of what the Fifth Epoch will mean on a human level. Just like the USA acts like it invented freedom, I see all the time how the USA fought a war to end slavery (one of the many Big Lies of American history ). There is a big recency effect with those kinds of discussions. What happened in the USA was at the tail-end of several thousand years of slavery as a hallowed institution. The transatlantic slave trade was just a recent manifestation of the institution.

When I recently watched that TV show about my ancestors, I thought that it fairly depicted the attitude of whites toward slaves in the Antebellum South. The slaves weren’t quite people. It is not easy for 21^st century industrial peoples to wrap their heads around the mentality that self-righteously considered people to be property (as long as it wasn’t them ). Then, with the rise of machines that made brute human labor uneconomical, people suddenly grew consciences that saw slavery as evil. All that happened was an economic boom that made the previous social institution uneconomical, and suddenly, the social structures that supported it quickly disintegrated. For an institution that lasted several thousand years, to go from hallowed to the dustbin of history in little over a century of industrialization is arguably the most dramatic social change in the human journey. That wasn’t all that changed. Women’s social roles radically changed, partly due to the demographic transition, which was also entirely dependent on industrialization, although nattering economists often can’t quite see it.

That change would be child’s play compared to the social and ideological changes that would accompany the advent of the Fifth Epoch. A world of abundance, for everybody. Poverty, warfare, pollution, and any environmental harm become distant memories, looked back on by Fifth Epoch peoples like we look at cave men today. They will scarcely be able to wrap their minds around the idea of a world where scarcity and fear abound, with humanity on the fast-track to our self-extinction, and almost nobody doing anything about it. Their difficulty in imagining our lives today will be easy compared to our ability to imagine their lives. They will live in a world that shows like Star Trek can only hint at. That human potential that Melinda hinted at in her post would be largely realized in the Fifth Epoch, as everybody lives in abundance, peace, and love. It is the heaven on Earth that the ancient masters spoke of, and it is just around the corner, if enough of us can muster the integrity and sentience to hit more of the beautiful notes that Melinda just sang.

For all the wonderful aspects of Melinda’s writings, what is perhaps the most encouraging to me is that Melinda does not have a scientific background, but she is all over many of the practical outcomes of what free energy will mean for humanity. Refraining from polluting will be an effortless task. People are not going to have to engage in self-discipline to not throw that bottle away. There won’t be a bottle! Very little of today’s world will survive into the Fifth Epoch for long. The consumer, celebrity, drug, hedonist, capitalist culture will vanish as just more aspects of today’s dysfunctional culture. Nobody is going to have to campaign against those practices. People will happily give them up; just a child gives up diapers and training wheels.

A lot more to write about, but this old man needs to go to bed.

Yes, Melinda, your writings are worthy.

Best,

Wade