Why Are Americans So Apathetic... And what can be done about it ?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by GuyFox (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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The briefest answer...

Why Are Americans So Apathetic?
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Yes. They are all over the United States. There are three in Arizona alone.

So they can control us to the point where we'll just hand over our guns?

That's what they hope. It depends on how effective this equipment becomes, how thoroughly installed it is everywhere, and whether or not people can ferret this stuff out and render it inoperative before that time arrives.

How about the idea of a conflict between moral conscience and what the mental command tells you do to?

You don't have the option not to act as it says the way that equipment is set up - if you are not aware enough to make a connection that it is not your thought. It does not negate choice, it just puts in a strong impluse or command. Those people who responded by calling that number had no idea what went through their heads. Some of this does require preconditioning to a response pattern.
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Good luck to them in mind controlling Me ... and You too Bill.

Do you think they can do it?
Project A cannot even get me to stick to "polite title threads" all of the time (haha)

How do you know, for sure, that they're not controlling you to be impolite?

[T Smith]

If you have a firm connection to Source in your conscious thoughts, these signals are not so effective. Perhaps that is the 5%...

I would guess this connection could also be used against you, if the programers ever learned to code Source

[Dorjezigzag]

With all this talk of being controlled by machines, It's time for some Gurdjieff, (January 13, 1866 – October 29, 1949)


Under the usual conditions, Gurdjieff bluntly informs us, we cannot know ourselves, for the simple reason that we are asleep. We are asleep, even when we imagine that we are awake. Man is a machine, Gurdjieff tells us, with characteristic unsentimentality, an automaton of reactions and reactions to the reactions. We imagine ourselves building, creating, moving alertly through the world: we are kidding ourselves.

We are, says Gurdjieff, lost in waking dreams and rigorously tracked neurotic fixations; when we think we are "doing" we are simply caught up in complex, fantasy- tinged reacting. We are asleep. We are not free.

“Progress” and “civilization” in the real meaning of those words, can appear only as the result of conscious efforts. They cannot appear as the result of unconscious efforts. And what conscious efforts can there be in machines? And if one machine is unconscious, then a hundred machines are unconscious, and so are a thousand machines, or a hundred thousand, or a million. And the unconscious activity of a million machines must necessarily result in destruction and extermination. You do not yet understand and cannot imagine all the results of this evil. But the time will come when you will understand.”
– G. Gurdjieff, quoted in “In Search of the Miraculous,” P. D. Ouspensky

[giovonni]

What ever reality one desires to subscribe to upon this plane, while utilizing an organic machine like mind... i suggest it is always best to navigate with one's intuitive heart ... In order for any real such progress to be made to an (entity's) ultimate destination.

[giovonni]

on the other hand ... i will also share this useful insight here ...

Max Igan

Surviving the Matrix

Freedom is a Choice

Published June 13, 2014

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zRaSEO27Zpw

[Limor Wolf]

Hi Giovonny ~ freedom is a choice, true, but we who understand it are mostly not here for ourself and ourself alone, our other human parts, seven billion in number are there, not quite aware yet, not understand and in trouble.

In that case, all the Gurdjieff in the world won't help. 'doing' is something we must when it comes to these types of technologies. It always comes with informing ourselves first, then tending to ourselves and applying gentleness and tenderness and deepening our connection to the soul and heart, then we let others know so they can make this choice as well.

Peace ~

Limor

[Dorjezigzag]

Posted by giovonni (here)
What ever reality one desires to subscribe to upon this plane, while utilizing an organic machine like mind... i suggest it is always best to navigate with one's intuitive heart ... In order for any real such progress to be made to an (entity's) ultimate destination.

Just as the mind, we should be sure that the heart is our own

[giovonni]

Posted by Dorjezigzag (here)

Posted by giovonni (here)
What ever reality one desires to subscribe to upon this plane, while utilizing an organic machine like mind... i suggest it is always best to navigate with one's intuitive heart ... In order for any real such progress to be made to an (entity's) ultimate destination.

Just as the mind, we should be sure that the heart is our own

no doubts here

[Dorjezigzag]

In that case, all the Gurdjieff in the world won't help

I can assure you if the technology exists and there is a 5% that are resistant, Gurdjieff would be in that 5%. He offers some extremely powerful techniques. If anyone has not already read In search of the miraculous I highly recommend it. Interestingly you can connect these teachings with the hermetic teachings that wind placed into the thread

Do not confuse heart with sentimentality, the heart strings are the most utilized means of manipulation, we need to be conscious of that.
Usually wars are sold on 'humanitarian' grounds

“For a man of Western culture, it is of course difficult to believe and accept the idea that an ignorant fakir, a naive monk, or a yogi who has retired from life may be on the way to evolution, while an educated European, armed with “exact knowledge” and all the latest methods of investigation, has no chance whatever and is moving in a circle from there is no escape….

– G. Gurdjieff, quoted in “In Search of the Miraculous,” P. D. Ouspensky

The power of changing oneself lies not in the mind, but in the body and the feelings. Unfortunately, however, our body and our feelings are so constituted that they don’t care a jot about anything so long as they are happy. They live for the moment and their memory is short. The mind alone lives for tomorrow. Each has its own merits. The merit of the mind is that it looks ahead. But it is only the other two that can "do."
– G. Gurdjieff

[Calz]

Remember that Pete Peterson suggested 15% had off-world dna such that they had a degree of immunity from current levels of mind control.


http://projectcamelotportal.com/comp...-pete-peterson


That has stuck with me from the time of his interview.

In my take on the attempt to "awaken the masses" ... sadly it is hard to discount.


Apathy among Americans?


How can anyone really deny???


This is not a slander against Americans in the least and there seems to be a great deal of conflict about that here.


Shall we blame the German civilians huddled in terror in their homes for what their government did during the last world war???


Shall we blame the American civilians for what has happened since then when they realisitically have had no voice???


Step back folks.


What is going on here???


Government puppets???


How did they get there and who do they serve???


Banksters ... getting warmer ... but who are they conjuring and who do they serve???


Multidimensionals???


What has been well established on this forum???


Loosh anyone???


Who completely has been controlling and creating fear and negative emotion (yummy) for how long ... do we know???


Sorry to ramble ... perhaps a few caveats to consider when demonizing Americans sitting in their homes wishing for only peace, prosperity and happiness for their lives and their families.


... you know ... just like all over the world ...


imho

[GuyFox]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Good luck to them in mind controlling Me ... and You too Bill.

Do you think they can do it?
Project A cannot even get me to stick to "polite title threads" all of the time (haha


How do you know, for sure, that they're not controlling you to be impolite?

Yeah. I get it (haha)
Yet...
Insofar as I understand "their" agenda, I try to fight it.
And I work hard (as many others do) to grok what they are up to.

Yet there may be an even Bigger Picture:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kh8gOgK8oWk

If the bigger picture is that for the growth of our species, we need to be in the midst of a battle of Light and Darkness,
then, yes, maybe I am just playing my predetermined role... along with so many others.

[Calz]

Find the banksters ... find their interdimensional control ... take any angst in that direction.

(small problem there is that "feeds" them ...)


Try to find understanding among so many brothers and sisters amonst all nations that are quite removed from that.


Really people ... what is so hard to grasp there???

[Pam]

I have found this thread really thought provoking. There have been a lot of explanations regarding the well beings of US citizens and there ability to pull out of a apathetic state due to the many toxins that are thrown our way. I don't disagree with this at all. However, I would like to throw this out there for discussion: Why are so many able to muster up enthusiasm, in fact religious zeal and devotion for sports teams? I am fully aware that it is a diversion, and god knows I can't blame them for it ,but, it does show that there is the mental ability to slough off apathy if the incentive is worth while. Does anyone have an opinion on this?

[Calz]

Hey brothers and sisters ...

Stand down and try to understand we are one.


Is that truly so hard to grasp???


Why???

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dQdyEw6jfGQ

[giovonni]

Posted by peterpam (here)
I have found this thread really thought provoking. There have been a lot of explanations regarding the well beings of US citizens and there ability to pull out of a apathetic state due to the many toxins that are thrown our way. I don't disagree with this at all. However, I would like to throw this out there for discussion: Why are so many able to muster up enthusiasm, in fact religious zeal and devotion for sports teams? I am fully aware that it is a diversion, and god knows I can't blame them for it ,but, it does show that there is the mental ability to slough off apathy if the incentive is worth while. Does anyone have an opinion on this?

Good point ... look how the current World Cup situation is being played out, with it's diversionary energy draining effects ...

Myself included.

[Dorjezigzag]

Posted by peterpam (here)
I have found this thread really thought provoking. There have been a lot of explanations regarding the well beings of US citizens and there ability to pull out of a apathetic state due to the many toxins that are thrown our way. I don't disagree with this at all. However, I would like to throw this out there for discussion: Why are so many able to muster up enthusiasm, in fact religious zeal and devotion for sports teams? I am fully aware that it is a diversion, and god knows I can't blame them for it ,but, it does show that there is the mental ability to slough off apathy if the incentive is worth while. Does anyone have an opinion on this?

[Pam]

Posted by Calz (here)
Hey brothers and sisters ...

Stand down and try to understand we are one.




With sincere love and respect,
Pam


Is that truly so hard to grasp???


Why???

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dQdyEw6jfGQ

No my dear Catz it is not a hard concept to grasp. On an intellectual basis it is becoming clearer and clearer. On rare occasions, usually when I am out in nature, I can really feel it in my heart. But alas, the friggin mind and ego take over and here I am on a thread debating about apathy........

With sincere love and respect,
Pam

[giovonni]

Note ~ when i first posted the OP, i should of included a request for keeping to topic without provoking each other here ...

Especially towards my fellow Americans which includes Canada and Mexico as a whole ...

We have enough on our daily plates in dealing with our governments.

[giovonni]

will share this here ...

No More Buying Stuff . .. Love Is The Answer ...

(Matthew Silver)
"Is a man who runs around NYC in a dress or underwear saying and doing radical things" ...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ULLbBaU3NDM

[Hervé]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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How do you know, for sure, that they're not controlling you to be impolite?

... seems like that bug has been going around

"Orchestrated Mindlessness"... where the current thought-control EM waves need only to tap/trigger one of those pairs to wreck their usual havoc...keeping in mind that "magnetic-wise," similar poles repel each other (as in North-North or South-South poles of a magnet) but, man! Do they they ever get stuck to each other when of opposite polarities!