Gordon Duff Stuns the World - In His "for President" Expose

[Jake]

Posted by GuyFox (here)
I will check my notes -
I think I heard Duff say something months ago about reporting some misinformation.

I know someone close to Harris, and I have exchanged some emails with him in the past, so I may be able to ask him.
But I will not try that before checking my own notes.

I think this 40% thing is incredibly tiny next to the enormity of the Crimes that VT has been writing about, supported it seems, by intentional leaks from Russian intelligence concerning nuclear weapons, the Israelis, and 9/11.

I am more than a little surprised you are bothering with it. But, hey, that's your business, I suppose

That would be awesome! I have beat the 40% thing to death because he is now denying ever saying it... Some say that Nixon would have never had to resign, if it weren't for the COVER-UP... Lies and cover-ups?? I would imagine that Him and his staff are busy with other things...

I can stretch my wee brain, and imagine that folks on Duffs staff are okay with disinfo, as a 'poetic license',,, but are they all okay with cover-ups?? Good thing that his staff is full of former (and current) Government alphabet soup!! Makes the cover-up business go 'round,, i suppose...

I am more than surprised that folks do not care if they are being lied to!!! You can give hem a pass,, none of mee business... But giving him a pass, on a personal note,,, does not explain the hows and whys of the lies and coverups.... Not everyone is okay with being lied to!!! (can you believe that??)

If every single leader in the Truther movement insist that they have to lie with almost half of everything that they say,,, then i would not listen to a single damn one of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BECAUSE THEN IT IS NOT THE TRUTH ANYMORE!!!!!

Cheers, mate
Jake.

[GuyFox]

The only note I can find is THIS:

"If only 60% is true, it is still mind-blowing"

So he probably said something like that - 40% could be disinformation

[Jake]

Did you listen to the small 2 minute vid where he admits to disinfo? I will quote it here, and I will post it again.

"I don't know of any imaginable way of getting information (pause) First of all, because, uh,, (pause) about 30 percent, based on what I believe, (pause) and thats,, you know what? (pause, laughs) Who says I am right?? According to MY beliefs, and i have as good as access to information as anyone in the world,, PROBABLY,, anyone that i know of.. About 30% of what's on Veterans Today, is patently False. About 40% of what I WRITE is, at least, purposely, partially false,,, If i didn't write false information, i wouldnt be alive!" Gordon Duff.

And here is the vid with him saying it..... (despite an effort to cover this video up)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3m-ZY0R1HdQ

refer to timestamp 0:46

Yet, he is now denying saying it. Gordon is now making light of it and trying to laugh it off. Says the audio is fake, and that Mossad cut and spliced audio to set him up....

If this all adds up to a perfectly acceptable and responsible method of telling the truth,,, then so be it... I do not buy it. Not for a second.

I would love to see a responsible comment from VT, Mike Harris or Gordon Duff regarding this episode.


Jake.

[loungelizard]

Posted by loungelizard (here)

Posted by GuyFox (here)
Wow.
You caught him! That dang Gordon Duff was exaggerating again!

He said: 70,000! The actual number in the story was 67,000!
Wow - you really caught him in a big lie!

Here's the actual story:
"A wave of Wall Street stock­brokers and traders are coming down with cancers blamed on the toxic dust and smoke of 9/11.

They’re joining ill Ground Zero first-responders in seeking payments from the $2.7 billion federal September 11th Victim Compensation Fund.

Of 622 cancer claims approved so far, the fund has awarded $15.5 million to 39 victims, a spokeswoman told The Post.

Officials would not give a breakdown of cancer victims, but 10,800 downtown workers make up the second-largest group of registered claimants after 39,500 Ground Zero responders. There are another 16,600 in smaller categories such as residents, students, child-care and health-care workers."
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> http://nypost.com/2014/04/20/wall-st...-compensation/
> similar : http://mwcnews.net/focus/politics/41703-9-11.html

Let's recap:
+ 10,800 downtown workers
+ 39,500 Ground Zero responders
+ 16,600 in smaller categories such as residents, students, child-care and health-care workers
========
= 66,900 Claims.
Hey, that's close enough to "70,000" to give Duff a check-mark, from me !
Probably, we'd find something similar, if we look into the mud the other mud-slingers are tossing in here. They never bother the check THEIR claims! Too busy sleeping on their sofas, probably (haha)

The figure of 66,900 does NOT refer to the number of cancer victims. It is the number of people who have registered for the Victim Compensation Fund.

The number of cancer victims was actually 1,140 the last time I checked, although obviously and sadly, this number is only going to increase with time.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-cancer.html

Hello Guy Fox - I wondered if you'd had a chance to look into these disputed figures yet?

[GuyFox]

The numbers above are clear - arent they?
=================================


Kerry Cassidy, with Miles Johnston, and Mike Harris

(Jump in at 1:06 Hours - and I think you will like it):

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zwNgPILyQPA

: Harris talks about how to live
: ww3 ; a serious issue - the west is being collapsed
: Alien interventions right now.
: A "new as-sryan prince" will emerge
: The Cabal will try to burn things to the ground
: But a new group is emerging, with a new paradigm
: We need to look inside, and do what we know is right
: (Mike is heavily influenced by Dr RAM on this last part, I think)
: I know they have become good friends - and DrRAM speaks like that

(at 1:25 Hours in)
"The Bush family had a bad week.
The Russians did an intel dump, and they and the Clintons were caught Red-handed,
dealing in illegal weapons (over 350 weapons!) through the Israelis.
This includes the Nuke that did 9/11.
The info is out there now, to (indict or hang) them all."

MH: "Expect the Fed to call an emergency meeting in the next 30 days.
The Sh-t is hitting the Fan right now !"

[loungelizard]

Thanks for that Guy Fox but unfortunately I can't watch videos (appallingly slow internet connection ) so perhaps you could explain in words how Gordon Duff arrived at the figure of 70,000 cancer victims?

Thanks!

[GuyFox]

LL,
The Elephant in the room is the trafficing of nuclear weapons - by former Presidents and the Israeli's,
and evidence that such weapons were behind 9/11.

And you want to talk about whether a speck on the wall is a fly or not, (?)
I'm just not interested. Nor is any one else (who sees the Big Picture.)

Are you a misinformation specialist or something? That is how you are behaving, and it ain't pretty.

[loungelizard]

I am simply asking how Gordon Duff arrived at his claim that there are 70,000 cancer victims.

I am interested in this, as exaggeration muddies the water.

[GuyFox]

Send him an email, and maybe he will tell you.
67,000 "claimants" looks pretty close to 70,000 "victims".
You are qwibbling over nothing, while the Big Villains walk around free, starting wars.

How about some perspective (?!)

Yours is an old misinformation - news qwelling trick.
And I hope your efforts on behalf of the forces of darkness are lucrative enough to give some meaning to this deception for you.

[Jake]

Posted by GuyFox (here)
Send him an email, and maybe he will tell you.
67,000 "claimants" looks pretty close to 70,000 "victims".
You are qwibbling over nothing, while the Big Villains walk around free, starting wars.

How about some perspective (?!)


Yours is an old misinformation - news qwelling trick.
And I hope your efforts on behalf of the forces of darkness are lucrative enough to give some meaning to this deception for you.

Guyfox,,, why can you not answer a question without insulting someone???

Loungelizard,, hello. The difference between 67,000 and 70,000 is WELL within the misinformation range that Duffian Theologists are used to. Also, isn't it revealing that being concerned about 3,000 victims is considered 'qwibbling over NOTHING'??

Also,, please do email Duff and/or his staff regarding the question at hand... But DON'T hold your breath, waiting for a response... Just fyi...

Guyfox... I've gotten better responses from children... Whenever someone poses a question that you do not have an answer for,,, perhaps you should do your part to inform yourself, rather than attack and insult. I recently banned myself for 3 days, because of an insult that looks a lot like yours. Has someone given you the Okay to insult who you want, when you want???

It is clear that you don't have anything intelligent to say... I have asked you repeatedly to try and answer for Duff,,, but you can't,,, NOBODY CAN... Only Duff can,, and it is clear that he won't,,,,, so case closed. Duff has admitted to being an 'agent' of gross misinformation,,, and you will defend him at all costs, without bothering to look clearly at the FACTS....

There really is nothing more to say... Your wee poll indicates what i have been saying all along. No matter what Duff brings to the table,,, he is an admitted fraud. and MOST people Don't buy it. If he were responsible,, he would shut up and let more honest people add more honest information to the debate.. But instead he launches an embarrassing 'expose' satire, and demands that HIS TEAM IS THE ONLY WINNING TEAM.

If you must worship a pundant,,, at least worship one worth his weight in honesty...

I keep coming back here, thinking/hoping that Guyfox has an answer, but he does not. Just insults.

Very sad.
Jake.

[donk]

Heh, I stopped reading Duff material the second he admitted a portion of it is deliberate disinfo, but had to peek to see why this thread seems to have some traction, glad to see this being discussed.

I imagine the Russian "alt/truth" crowd having threads and serious discussions about Sorcha Faal material, trying to discern the "truth" from the disinfo necessarily injected for that entity's survival...all the while mocking the silly Americans that take Gordon Duff's "information" seriously.

C'mon, we're better than this, right? Nyett??

[GuyFox]

Jake,
I really think you need to focus on the elephant, and leave the meaningless specks to themselves.

You havent posted a single thing about the BEEF in this sandwich, you just keep worrying about the size of the sesame seeds.
Truly, I wonder why.

If there is an orchestrated team here that discredits everything from Duff and VT then why not let use know, rather than being forced to guess people's motives from their comments. That way, we will know what to expect in reactions to future posts.

[donk]

I'm not part of an orchestrated team (or am I?? )...and I am not trying to DIScredit necessarily...just wondering where he gets any "credit" from at all?

I don't think Jake is part of team...but if he was, it's silly to ask him to tell you--he'd necessarily have to lie to exist here if he was, right? Just like Sorch...I mean Gordon...

[GuyFox]

Just asking.
Do you really think that throwaway remark about "40% disinformation" is a huge deal?
Of course, he has to say that (though 40% is a big number).
I think what he may have meant to say was something like:
"More than half of what I say here is completely true. Some of it is exaggerated or obscured, so I can stay alive."
Had he said that, his detractor would have had less ammunition to use against him.

Do you really think he is 40% Disinfo? I don't.
He isn;t the only one talking about Russian Intel dumps and the Nuclear weapons.
That info really puts some trouble in the way of the Israelis' which may be why the Duff-detractors are going crazy here.

I have seen it so many times before on other websites. And some revealing articles have come out admitting this.

[Jake]

There is absolutely NO beef in this sandwich,,, just sour pickles,,, 40% of them are rotten, but i suspect you will keep eating it...

I don't know of anyone here who is orchestrating and discrediting Duff and/or VT,, Quite the opposite, actually. There are folks here that seem to have to attack and insult anyone who DOESN'T agree with Duff... This isn't my first rodeo, Guyfox!!!

I have this conversation going with other folks in my life,,, and i am getting some pretty good, well thought out responses on behalf of Duff. I was hoping that you would put on your thinking cap and deliver some intelligent responses. But NOOOOOOOOO.

Here is the Beef,, continue to ignore it, continue to attack, continue to pretend that IT DOES NOT MATTER. IT MATTERS, BROTHER.

1) Duff admits lying to your face!
2) You love him for it!
3) Duff denies saying it in the first place. (says mossad set him up for christs sake)
3) You love him for it.
4) Gordon Duff is now given license to say whatever lie he wants to.
5) You love him for it.
6) Whatever mountain of information that Duff pretends to own,,,, they are lies, by admission...

There are intelligent tid bits that you could slam me on, but you haven't bothered to find them.

Guyfox can insult and attack other members, without provocation, and without being challenged,, which means that he never has to tell the truth,, just stick to the assaulting of members of this forum!!! A situation that i will NOT be ignoring any longer... Show me again, that you don't give a damn about the forum guidelines regarding respectful discourse, and I will show you how much that I DO!!!

I love disagreeing and having passionate debate. The insults stop right here, Guyfox...

To Gordon Duff: Dude, I wish you could see the type of person that defends you!!! lol... You are creating monsters with your lies!!!!

Jake.

[GuyFox]

"Guyfox can insult and attack other members, without provocation, and without being challenged,, which means that he never has to tell the truth,, just stick to the assaulting of members of this forum!!! A situation that i will NOT be ignoring any longer... Show me again, that you don't give a damn about the forum guidelines regarding respectful discourse, and I will show you how much that I DO!!!

I love disagreeing and having passionate debate. The insults stop right here, Guyfox.."

Jake, Stop it!

I haven't insulted anyone.
You have insulted me (again)... while doing your best to take this thread OFF message
Do we have to go through this nonsense every week?

[Jake]

Posted by GuyFox (here)
Jake, Stop it!

I haven't insulted anyone.
You have insulted me (again)
Do we have to go through this nonsense every week?

Yours is an old misinformation - news qwelling trick.
And I hope your efforts on behalf of the forces of darkness are lucrative enough to give some meaning to this deception for you.

This is an insult!! Did you ever actually READ the forum guidelines??? Because your membership here depended on it!!!

I will be there every time you decide to attack and insult another member. Every day, every week every single time. I have had to ban members who were much more respectable than you.

Feel free to insult me, Guyfox. Just me!! I can take it. You have revealed yourself anyways... But if you continue to insult members of this forum, then you will be given a time out,,, just like the one that i gave myself. Self moderation is the key, but you do not have the capability,, so YES,,, i will be babysitting your comments from now on. You can avoid this whole thing if you would, simply, NOT INSULT AND ATTACK PEOPLE.

There are plenty of other forums that allow the ugly insults and childlike responses.

Guyfox,,, This is a serious problem. Just don't attack and insult!! Why is that so hard??


How dare you assume that you will not be held to the standards of the rest of the forum!!!


I am ashamed at myself for letting you insult members already.


Jake.

[loungelizard]

"The difference between 67,000 and 70,000 is WELL within the misinformation range that Duffian Theologists are used to. Also, isn't it revealing that being concerned about 3,000 victims is considered 'qwibbling over NOTHING'?? "

Thanks for that suggestion about emailing Gordon Duff for clarification Jake - I've just done so, and will post his reply...if and when I receive one.

Apologies if some see me as pernickety but I'm talking about a difference between 70,000 cancer victims (according to Gordon Duff) and 1,140 cancer victims (according to the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health, the Lancet and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention). That's a significant difference.

"Yours is an old misinformation - news qwelling trick."

Which trick is that, Guy Fox? The one where we try to uncover the truth?? As opposed to the old ad hominem attack trick?

[Gardener]

Yours is an old misinformation - news qwelling trick.
And I hope your efforts on behalf of the forces of darkness are lucrative enough to give some meaning to this deception for you.

Excuse me jumping in here, in the above quote, how is this not personally insulting?

[Nine]

Jake

If you censor guy on this issue please cancel my Avalon membership.

If duff is lying about nukes then prove it jake!

I plan on contacting bill Ryan about your behavior as a mod type bully!


Thank you

Nine