Gordon Duff Stuns the World - In His "for President" Expose

[Nine]

Well jake

Me thinks your posts stirred the pot!

Then once well stirred you come down with the heavy hand of your authority!

Reminds me of how my former employer the Feds acted!!

No insults here jake just an honest feeling


Nine

[Sebastion]

I think you are doing a fine job Jake, please keep it up!!

Posted by Gardener (here)

Yours is an old misinformation - news qwelling trick.
And I hope your efforts on behalf of the forces of darkness are lucrative enough to give some meaning to this deception for you.

Excuse me jumping in here, in the above quote, how is this not personally insulting?

[Nine]

90 % of the "so called"alt media is BS.

So if duff and vt get 60% ....they are way ahead of the game


Nine

[Nine]

Avalon is full of new agers


No diff between them and the zio Christo's

Just an opine


Nine

[Jake]

Posted by Nine (here)
Well jake

Me thinks your posts stirred the pot!

Then once well stirred you come down with the heavy hand of your authority!

Reminds me of how my former employer the Feds acted!!

No insults here jake just an honest feeling


Nine

Hello, Nine.. I am very sorry that you were treated that way. Thank you for disagreeing without insulting. Please allow me to address your concerns.

If by 'stir the pot', you mean that I voiced my opinion, then yes, I stirred the pot. Not sure what you mean by 'heavy hand of authority', as i have not acted on anything Guyfox has said, other than dialogue in this thread. I am well within my rights to advise to the moderation staff that something should be done about the clear violation of forum guidelines. But i have not. I have only engaged with dialogue. Even if i did suggest that something be done,, it is a team response, not really a chance for me to be tyrranical, as you suggest.

I realize that my actions and words will be held to a higher standard by many members. That is perfectly fine. That does not mean that i am not allowed an opinion. If i were a counter intel agent, trying to plant distasteful and/or misleading information,, i would be led out of Avalon, straight away.

You may see my opinions as rhetoric, but i assure you that everything that i do, as a mod, is intended to bring about a better free flow of ideas. Wherever there are insults and attacks,,, the freeflow if ideas STOPS!!!! Have you ever noticed?? I sure have.

I will make this clear now! GuyFox and I disagree, strongly regarding the subject matter of this discussion. I have laid out some challenges for folks who truly consider Duffs information. My advice regarding Guyfox and his reading of the Forum Guidelines has nothing to do with him and I disagreeing.. It has everything to do with consistent and remarkable attacks and insults.

Nine, Avalon is not a bloodsport for me. I love this place, and intend to protect it from being manipulated by the folks who cannot engage, without putting others down. Believe it or not, I look forward to better, more intelligent discourse from members every day...

Jake.

[Jake]

Posted by Nine (here)
Jake

If you censor guy on this issue please cancel my Avalon membership.

If duff is lying about nukes then prove it jake!

I plan on contacting bill Ryan about your behavior as a mod type bully!


Thank you

Nine

Feel free to take whatever action that comforts you. But before you do,, (if I were you) I would look up a definition of the word 'censor'. I have complained, wholeheartedly about insults and attacks,,, nothing here has been censored, shame on you for suggesting it. I have practically BEGGED Guy to address the issue,, but was met with attacks. He assumed that it was okay to attack the person with the unpopular point of view, a tactic that has probably worked out for him. It will not fly here.

Cheers, Jake.

PS, i never said he was lying about nukes,,, but HE did!!!

[Nine]

Jake,

Really,

Not posting here would be a great benefit...

You provide no evidence whatsoever that Duff is a lier...

He could very well be ...However, I think you should provide evidence that what went down on 9/11 and what Duff dumped is a bunch of lies.

I follow few blogs and bloggers since most of there supposed intel is bull****.

I worked for the feds for a long time and saw many things and you can take that or leave that....

Less internet and more real life is the prescription for most here on Avalon....just saying...

Can't do anything about what goes down anyhow....

talk talk talk and the perps are still roaming the world Jake....so what does it matter....your opine is just as valid as mine or anyone elses thats for sure....

Nine

[Nine]

Posted by Jake (here)

Posted by Nine (here)
Jake

If you censor guy on this issue please cancel my Avalon membership.

If duff is lying about nukes then prove it jake!

I plan on contacting bill Ryan about your behavior as a mod type bully!


Thank you

Nine

Feel free to take whatever action that comforts you. But before you do,, (if I were you) I would look up a definition of the word 'censor'. I have complained, wholeheartedly about insults and attacks,,, nothing here has been censored, shame on you for suggesting it. I have practically BEGGED Guy to address the issue,, but was met with attacks. He assumed that it was okay to attack the person with the unpopular point of view, a tactic that has probably worked out for him. It will not fly here.

Cheers, Jake.

PS, i never said he was lying about nukes,,, but HE did!!!

Well Jake,

Coming from a bunch of arrogant assh@#es that I used to work for this comment of yours rates right up there with the best of the best of the agency BS...

very condescending....

I simply do not like you one bit....but you of course are in charge....here that is and not in real life....

Time to move on....




Nine

[Nine]

I am going to tell a story about a pal of mine that I worked with who was in Viet Nam for two tours.
My pal has that military baring...you know scary kind of guy...super angry...and in charge of many folks...

We kind of hit it off on the job and so a very close friendship developed and so I watched my pals health deteriorate to the point of seeing my fellow employees and many a manager turn upon him and try to have him removed from duty.

Not a lick of compassion nor any human decency at all.

He came to me one day asking for a statement of how he was being treated by his co-workers and a few select managers and of course I gave him one.

I simply told the truth and that truth got many in trouble and I found out one thing the hard way and that is nothing is private and nothing is confidential in the Federal system...

I watched him lose 40 lbs until they figured out what was wrong with him....

It was his thyroid and they treated him for it yet the meds made him sleepy on the job which brought more repercussions and so it went...

He shared with me that every man that he served with in Viet Nam is dead from cancer and other aliments....every man....

And so from that experience that is why I have such a great respect for Gordon Duff and VT.....

And so war is the ultimate racket and now we have a suicide modual built into every focked up soldier....from the vaccines to the depleted uranium to the stuff only God himself knows that many were exposed to....to the va not treating the sick....

Thank you for your time....

Nine

[Nine]

Duff's experience in his war....


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05...nam-continues/

Read this report dearest Jake....please take the time to read it....

I never served in the US military but I sure worked along side those that did and I was a witness to what happened to many and how government at all levels simply turns a blind eye...


The internet is not total awareness but near total bull****....but not total....

There is enough truth for those who are seeking such....


Nine

[loungelizard]

As I said, I emailed GD to ask for clarification about his claims that 70,000 people have developed cancer following 9/11. He replied as below:


I then wrote back asking for evidence of these claims, and haven't heard back as yet.


Although there may be those who are happy to accept his claims without feeling any need to see evidence to support them, that's not the way I work. That does not mean I am evil incarnate, part of the "dark forces"

When someone states as fact something that directly contradicts all other documented evidence, there is a need for that person to prove their case in order to gain any credibility - the burden of proof is on them. As David Hume wrote, "A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence".

GD asserted in his email that 100% of the 70,000 registrants to the Victim Compensation Fund have cancer. That is categorically not true.

According to the Victim Compensation Fund, this is a breakdown of the many diseases for which victims have claimed compensation.

• Interstitial lung diseases
• Chronic Respiratory Disorder
• Asthma
• Reactive Airways Dysfunction Syndrome (RADS)
• WTC-exacerbated Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD)
• Chronic Cough Syndrome
• Upper airway hyperreactivity
• Chronic rhinosinusitis
• Chronic nasopharyngitis
• Chronic lryngitis
• Gastroesophageal Reflux Disorder (GERD)
• Sleep apnea exacerbated by or related to the above conditions
• Low back pain
• Carpal tunnel syndrome (CTS)
• Certain other musculoskeletal disorders caused by repetitive stress on the joints or skeleton during the covered period
• Traumatic injuries, such as broken bones, head injuries and other blunt traumas
• 50 specific variants of 14 different types of WTC-related cancers, including lung, breast, colon, trachea, esophageal, kidney, bladder, skin, thyroid, blood and ovarian cancers, as well as childhood cancers.



http://www.vcf.gov/pdf/VCFStatusReportNov2013.pdf

[Jake]

Nine, you speak in riddles and broken sentences. I am able to make out some of what you say..

You provide no evidence whatsoever that Duff is a lier...

Please refer to the vid that i posted where Duff himself admits to being a liar!!! I don't have to do a thing... I am only reacting to his own words on the matter. I am guessing that you didn't bother to view it, as you would rather someone tell you what to think than to think for yourself. That is fine...

I don't have to go around proving Duff wrong. He has already done that by an irresponsible admission to tactical disinformation. (Then recants, saying Mossad set him up)

So your claim that i haven't brought a valid argument to the table goes into the dung pile.

I simply do not like you one bit....but you of course are in charge....here that is and not in real life....

Nobody is in charge here, Nine. You are free to post whatever you like. (insults aside) Why don't you start a Gordon Duff Fan Club discussion, i will stay out of it. This particular discussion was disigned by Guyfox to see what people think about Gordon Duff. Well, now he knows.

You don't like me one bit... Then i am doing my job, with regards the ignorance (descriptive word, not meant to insult) of Gordon Worshipers.

I can see that you have trouble discoursing. I will leave you alone about it. but i will point out, that the only reason that this discussion is off course is because of the insulting and the ensueing mayhem. Keep asking me about Guyfox, and i will keep answering,,, but DON'T come back and blame me for derailing this thread. Between you and Guyfox,,, we cannot get to any more good information. I see that loungelizard is being proactive. All you are doing is complaining and whining.. (You did mention that you worked for the government!)

Touching story about war... Is this part of the 40% or the 60%??? You may not realize this, but once someone admits to disinfo,,, the onus is no longer on ME to prove a damn thing... the onus is upon Duff to prove it. I'm not the one out there saying that i am lying....

You can't defend him... Only he can...

Jake.

Coming from a bunch of arrogant assh@#es that I used to work for this comment of yours rates right up there with the best of the best of the agency BS...

BTW your cleverly designed insult does not go unnoticed. I think it is rather funny, though,,, If you would be as clever with your insights into Duffs work, you may just get somewhere...

I think you are awesome, Nine. You should learn how to disagree with someone,,

Cheers...

[hardrock]

I know this thread has deteriorated, but what do you guys make of this release?

http://beforeitsnews.com/terrorism/2...3-2449776.html

[onawah]

Unless there is also a reputable source for that info, Hardrock, I wouldn't pay much attention to it.
Beforeitsnews is a known disinfo source.

Posted by hardrock (here)
I know this thread has deteriorated, but what do you guys make of this release?

http://beforeitsnews.com/terrorism/2...3-2449776.html

[ThePythonicCow]

I figure that a good chunk of what most of us say or write will eventually be seen, perhaps even by ourselves, to be wrong. Whether someone admits as much of themselves means little to me, except perhaps when someone claims perfection, leading me to suspect their ego is blinding them.

Rather I have to look at what is said, and see if it seems likely, in the light of my current understandings. Those who have a record of frequently saying (writing) something I found interesting are more likely to remain on my list of those who are worth continued reading. I have however other criteria for that "worth reading" list, some of which are likely just personal quirks and biases of myself at present. Shrug ...

The Israeli nukes blew up the towers story I found persuasive. It fit what else I had concluded about 9/11 and added persuasive additional details.

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Posted by hardrock (here)
I know this thread has deteriorated, but what do you guys make of this release?

http://beforeitsnews.com/terrorism/2...3-2449776.html

If these alleged planted nukes are the small Israeli nukes such as might have destroyed the WTC towers on 9/11, then that's quite a different thing than if they are multi-megaton monsters. The former can take out a block, the latter a major city.

[ThePythonicCow]

I censored one post above ... which is not to say I was all that happy with some of the other posts either ... but the most recent of the ad hominem posts (a day and half old now) was just too purely ad hominem to sneak past any filters my mind could construct.

[loungelizard]

Hello Paul

I'd be interested to hear your take on the fact that, if there had been a nuclear explosion on 9/11, the rate of cancers in people exposed to the radiation from that would have gone through the roof. That does not appear to be the case - unless you believe Gordon Duff's claims which he has, as yet, completely failed to substantiate.

According to research published in the Lancet, the increased risk of cancer among first responders is approximately 19% - which is horrendous, but far lower than would have been seen had the attack involved a nuclear device. The overall rate of increase in cancer rate to those exposed to the site is around 14%.

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...989-6/abstract
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/0...cer/index.html

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by loungelizard (here)
Hello Paul

I'd be interested to hear your take on the fact that, if there had been a nuclear explosion on 9/11, the rate of cancers in people exposed to the radiation from that would have gone through the roof. That does not appear to be the case - unless you believe Gordon Duff's claims which he has, as yet, completely failed to substantiate.

According to research published in the Lancet, the increased risk of cancer among first responders is approximately 19% - which is horrendous, but far lower than would have been seen had the attack involved a nuclear device. The overall rate of increase in cancer rate to those exposed to the site is around 14%.

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...989-6/abstract
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/0...cer/index.html

Both the studies you link to (if my quick read is accurate) admit of a moderate increase in cancer risk amongst first responders.

I have not studied the numbers myself, so don't really know. But a proper analysis would, I presume, have to consider:

• The rates and types of cancers (some cancer types might be quite rare, and stronger indicators of having breathed radioactive dust.)
• The sources of the cancer statistics (official stats are clearly not necessarily unbiased and reliable.)
• The different kinds and dispersions of atomic blast radioactivity (not all nukes are equivalent in their radiation.)
• The effect of the off-shore Erin hurricane, which perhaps helped sweep the radioactive dust in the air out to sea.
• The length of time it takes for cancers to manifest - perhaps many take more than the 10 years that both those two linked articles cover.
• Probably other key factors that I didn't think of just now.

[Soda]

Posted by Jake (here)
I do not waste my time listening to folks whos base message cannot be delivered without destroying, attacking and otherwise, humiliating others in the truther movement. Duff has done himself a permanent dis-service,,, if you ask me. Whatever 'truth' he posits by satire,,, is overwhelmed by his ego, and his insisting that any voice,, (other than his) is misinformation... I smell a rat...

My brother (rush limbaugh/alabama republican) consistantly derails me for being a 'conspiracy theorist'... "prove it, dumb ass"... thats his line!!! Yet at the same time,, he insists that he has a secret D.O.D. insider, who trickles info to him... I don't know what they did to him in the military,,, but he cannot see the hypocracy... Military minded folks, generally, will not. It is thier way, or nothing....

I didn't see where i could vote for: Complete trickster/joker/muse/jestor....

This is my own opinion...

Jake.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=yWR3iSkk_lI Have you listened to the audio of him about working w/ Israelis?

[Nine]

Posted by Weezer (here)

Posted by Jake (here)
I do not waste my time listening to folks whos base message cannot be delivered without destroying, attacking and otherwise, humiliating others in the truther movement. Duff has done himself a permanent dis-service,,, if you ask me. Whatever 'truth' he posits by satire,,, is overwhelmed by his ego, and his insisting that any voice,, (other than his) is misinformation... I smell a rat...

My brother (rush limbaugh/alabama republican) consistantly derails me for being a 'conspiracy theorist'... "prove it, dumb ass"... thats his line!!! Yet at the same time,, he insists that he has a secret D.O.D. insider, who trickles info to him... I don't know what they did to him in the military,,, but he cannot see the hypocracy... Military minded folks, generally, will not. It is thier way, or nothing....

I didn't see where i could vote for: Complete trickster/joker/muse/jestor....

This is my own opinion...

Jake.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=yWR3iSkk_lI Have you listened to the audio of him about working w/ Israelis?

Please do a google on the term "Pete santilli is an FBI shill"


You might find it interesting

Most on the net is bs


Nine