Advanced Extraterrestrials are Vastly Atheist

[Limor Wolf]

Hi Christine, I also believe this is a great conversation and very important

Originally posted by Omniverse: "Seems to me they know we will eventually become their enemy"

Originally posted by Christine: "No fear, even the most entrenched malevolent force is no match for pure love consciousness. This is the end of the enemy paradigm.."

Not knowing much about love, but this seems to me to sum it pretty well ~


Now, going to babysit three and a half todllers

Do ET's babysit?

[Omni]

Posted by Limor (here)
Hi Christine, I also believe this is a great conversation and very important

Originally posted by Omniverse: "Seems to me they know we will eventually become their enemy"

Originally posted by Christine: "No fear, even the most entrenched malevolent force is no match for pure love consciousness. This is the end of the enemy paradigm.."

Not knowing much about love, but this seems to me to sum it pretty well ~


Now, going to babysit three and a half todllers

Do ET's babysit?

Does a psychopath care that you love him before he kills you? Neither do greys or reptiles in my experiences... It doesn't mend the relationship of races that have been at odds for hundreds of thousands of years when one side does not value love much if at all.

[Alecs]

Posted by Omniverse (here)
They wouldn't ever dream of pushing their beliefs on others, but the blond ETs I spoke to said they are vegan atheists.

ETs have told me that science will eventually merge with spirituality in a natural progression of a race like ours and our primitive beliefs about God will fade away...

Thank you all for your posts. If I may jump in here... Omniverse, what is a vegan athiest? Is it that they don't consume physical "animal" products, or "animal" energy? Why, if you know, is that?

In my incarnation, I have difficulty at times even consuming plants or their fruits/seeds; the idea that we take the life force of something--to cut short its full life experience of "being" isn't really the way I want to be. So, I'd really like to understand how advanced beings accept this themselves, especially if they can traverse dimensions.

[Omni]

Posted by Alecs (here)

Posted by Omniverse (here)
They wouldn't ever dream of pushing their beliefs on others, but the blond ETs I spoke to said they are vegan atheists.

ETs have told me that science will eventually merge with spirituality in a natural progression of a race like ours and our primitive beliefs about God will fade away...

Thank you all for your posts. If I may jump in here... Omniverse, what is a vegan athiest? Is it that they don't consume physical "animal" products, or "animal" energy? Why, if you know, is that?

Correct. The female said she finds animal products to be eaten, disgusting for one. Two, they do not have it in them to slaughter animals for food. And three, they said something about how being vegan has an effect on genetics. More reasons too but I can't remember them atm(have a headache....).

In my incarnation, I have difficulty at times even consuming plants or their fruits/seeds; the idea that we take the life force of something--to cut short its full life experience of "being" isn't really the way I want to be. So, I'd really like to understand how advanced beings accept this themselves, especially if they can traverse dimensions.

Well the biggest thing is plants do not have a consciousness. I personally like the Native American way of having gratitude for what you consume and see no problems with consuming plants. Now, wasting it, I would have a problem with.

[Hervé]

As an aside to the vegan atheists:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Once one gets to the bottom of the matter, whether one pays for one's lunch or is offered lunch, one is still a slave...

... so, what's the bottom of that matter?

Well, you see, this thing called life on Earth uses what's called "cells" or cellular arrangements of simpler "organisms"... the designer of those, from unicellular to human mammals, build them with the same blueprint:

Some sort of digestive system!

With that premise of "life," it's all slavery, whether one likes it or not, from there on out!

So, when one signs on the dotted line for re-/incarnation into a meat suit (i.e. "body"), one signs for the slavery of feeding that body for the rest of one's life on Earth and is condemned to eating, drinking, peeing, pooing for a whole life time... that's the deal!

Welcome to the reservation!

[GoodETxSG]

Not to poo poo any one else's "Reality Bubble's" or "Experiences" but I must lay out what I have come to believe about "Them" (The few out of the many I/We have come into contact with) from my experiences...

With such a wide range of beings through the vast Oceans of Time and Space (Just in our Dimension Alone) it is difficult for people of our current understanding to lump all of "Them" together under such a blanket statement IMHO. Different species have had different journey's in becoming the current interstellar, intergalactic, inter-dimensional/density/universe Race they are currently. Most have done so with some sort of Spiritual/Consciousness Technological Component that we would call "Spooky Action at a Distance" or just Magic. Not counting the AI or those led by AI Power Structures of course, there are just so many types of cultures out there (But who built the AI before it became autonomous?).

Many of them are well known to tell us what we want (Or NEED) to hear. What they truly believe may be another matter, they have to know there are other layers of the Spectrum above them with intelligent beings existing within them and these beings are not god's. However they having an understanding of advanced space/dimensional jumping and the "Spooky" component to it, Have the ability to remove people's essence's and their own from their bodies etc... Have to understand that there is much more out there and the word "Atheist" would (In my opinion) be a very difficult color to paint most of "Them".

In my experience most believe in a "Source" with various belief systems of that "Source" which dance around being a "Religion" without being an actual Religion. Though that is what we try to say about Science here on Earth... and it is the largest Religion on the planet. Again, "IMHO from my ability to reason from the experiences in my reality bubble".

Again, I am not going to step on anyone else's perceived experience, information imparted to them in that experience or how that info was reasoned and dealt with intellectually in their reality bubble. We all live in our own and bounce off each others, coalescing with one another at times depending on compatibility. The above is only based on my life experiences, encounters and so on...

[Christine]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Limor (here)
Hi Christine, I also believe this is a great conversation and very important

Originally posted by Omniverse: "Seems to me they know we will eventually become their enemy"

Originally posted by Christine: "No fear, even the most entrenched malevolent force is no match for pure love consciousness. This is the end of the enemy paradigm.."

Not knowing much about love, but this seems to me to sum it pretty well ~


Now, going to babysit three and a half todllers

Do ET's babysit?

Does a psychopath care that you love him before he kills you? Neither do greys or reptiles in my experiences... It doesn't mend the relationship of races that have been at odds for hundreds of thousands of years when one side does not value love much if at all.

It matter little whether a psychopath or a grey "cares" about love. Love, misconstrued word that it is .. is a force of consciousness. It needs not to be valued to be effective.

I have been under siege at the effects of psychopaths and alien forces.. my sovereignty of being under threat. The only thing that "saves" me time and time again is to face the enemy not as enemy but with force, love, compassion.. they either flee recognizing something that they can't control or they enter in to a conscious communication that leaves us both more full and freer.

As they say in Star Wars.. may the Force be with you.

I think ETs should be assigned baby sitting jobs.. or maybe that is what they feel like they are doing while the human race gets off its knees .

[Limor Wolf]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Limor (here)
Hi Christine, I also believe this is a great conversation and very important

Originally posted by Omniverse: "Seems to me they know we will eventually become their enemy"

Originally posted by Christine: "No fear, even the most entrenched malevolent force is no match for pure love consciousness. This is the end of the enemy paradigm.."

Not knowing much about love, but this seems to me to sum it pretty well ~


Now, going to babysit three and a half todllers

Do ET's babysit?

Does a psychopath care that you love him before he kills you? Neither do greys or reptiles in my experiences... It doesn't mend the relationship of races that have been at odds for hundreds of thousands of years when one side does not value love much if at all.

I hear you, and share your experiences especially these last six months. It is the universe that we corresponds with and correlating with our own wishes instead of only being reactive to that of another. A practical manner of prevention and defence must be taken, I do not know about love when it comes to psycopaths, it is more the observence and the understanding of cosmic unity of all energy creatures inside a physical suit or not. To your question, I will personally not hesitate to kick a certain sensitive area if the situation requests it and bless the being in my heart at the same time. It is this wierd combination ~

[Hervé]

Posted by Limor (here)
[[...] I will personally not hesitate to kick a certain sensitive area if the situation requests it and bless the being in my heart. It is this wierd combination ~

Some would call that "appropriate behaviour."... neither good nor bad... just what's needed according to the circumstances at hand.

[Bill Ryan]

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Great thread here. Thanks for starting it.

My strong suspicion: As below, so above. Think of the sweeping variations on this planet in culture, individual attitude, personal characteristics (whatever racial type one is from), political affiliation, and general Service-to-Others (or Service-to-Self) agenda. Most of these defy simple categorization.

On this planet alone, we cannot easily predict the friendliness of someone we meet on the street, whether at home or half way across the world. And all that will be reflected many times over in the greater galaxy and beyond.

[sirdipswitch]

Well my goodness, me and George are sittin here gettin a good chuckle over this one.

Good, Bad, Indifferent. Yin-Yang, Apples to Oranges. Who gives a Rats A--? Source doesn't. IT... just sits and watches us make fools of ourselves. It is ALL just experience for, IT. Period. IT... is just enjoying ITs' Creation. And we my friends, here on this rock we call Earth, are the Microcosm, of the Macrocosm. Yep. WE... are just like the rest of the Universe, just on a bit smaller scale. Forget the Love thing also. If someone decides to put a bullit, or Laser, between your eyes they could give rats "other' end how you feel about them. There are established trade routes throughout the universe, that are used by the good guys, the bad guys, and the neutral guys, and they don't give diddly scwat how each feels about the other as long as they are just trading with them. You don't have to even "like" some "thing" to trade with it. And YES... there are Pirates out there that don't belong to any group, that will most definately kill to take what they please from anyone. Even their own race. Pirates are the only ones prevented from coming here.

UNTILL... we can overcome "racism", and learn to just get along with "everyone" no matter what they think, or believe, we will have everyone and "thing" comin here to mess with us and "rattle" our cage, untill we do. It's a fun game, comin to Earth to "mess" with the "Monkies". (so to speak. cc)

And the Lizards? (Reptilians cc) There are two (2) factions of them. The first, came here to "Lightverse", from Darkverse, 153 "Trillion" years ago, and have, for the past 5 Trillion years been "operating" from the "good" side, and helping the Moonies, with Project Earth. (Once we figured out that the Human Animal, was not put here as a food supply for us. cc) The second faction are the Newcomers, that have only been in Lightverse, for 6 Million years, and still operate from the Bad side. This is why nobody can figure out why some are good and some are bad.

Untill you learn the True meaning of Yin-ang, (Ballance) you will not get along with ALL. "I" am Ballance. I am as "Evil, Mean and Nasty", as Evil, Mean and Nasty, can get, on one side and yet totally good on the other. I can hold you in loving embrace, and yet put a bullit between your eyes, if you turn against me. Matters not. For I know that in killing you, I am only killing a body, and just setting your Spirit free, to go do something else.

[Christine]

I can laugh with you.. yes I can. But my body and HER body speaks differently. Would Gaia agree that by killing HER we are setting her spirit free? This One thinks not.. quite a bit of presumption in your speak my friend.

Posted by sirdipswitch (here)
Matters not. For I know that in killing you, I am only killing a body, and just setting your Spirit free, to go do something else.

Actually and seriously I think I should expand on this post. Long has the "body" and physical realm been maligned and denominated our "prison". This is a belief I hold erroneous. Our body is our vessel, our vehicle.. it holds more keys to our own salvation and enlightenment than most are aware. Through her I am able to penetrate the deeper aspects of intelligence.

As above so below.

[william r sanford72]

My past memorys are subject to my emotions..time...filters..blocks..so I tend to reference my interactions to the last 4 years being there the clearest and less likely to muddle me inner and outter waters....and don't wanna add disinfo to an already often time confusing subject.my clear cut memory includes 2 grays in my front room.the thing about the grays..and my first gut reaction was fear and some disgust..cause there was no spark..that signature all earth dwelling beings produce and have..was not there.....after some calm interaction It was imparted to me that almost all grays are biological drones.machines..grown in a lab to perform task.some grays are ran through an ai interface...remote control...while others are just genetic code..like how a bee knows or is born knowing already what to.do.programming..Ais can bee damaged and sometimes the controller can somehow bee damaged to...don't ask..cause I don't know...my point is we have no refrance point to go off cause we have know real idea how they look at us as whole..or feel..really...and no advanced beings would have a myth or dogma to guide them or rule them..just my op..
truth and balance always.
William.
As Above..so below.

[GoodETxSG]

I totally agree,

I have always thought (As sexist as this may seem, sorry in advance) of the Male body/vessel as a "JEEP" and the Female body as a "Sports Car"... But that is ignorance of only have memory of existing in a Male Body and how much of a "Utility Vehicle" it has been. I am saying this in jest and not to be serious. Just an attempt to add a little levity.



These Bipedal Conveyance's that our True Essence's are using are disposable when all is said and done. I do wish I had taken better care of the model I was issued this "Go Around". It hasn't been the years but the mileage that has torn me up.

I wouldn't presume to speak on how the "Essence" of a Planet or Star would gage the Billions/Trillions of Years in IT's LIFE TIME... or How it perceives it's life and next Reincarnation...

I am just not able/willing to take that jump in speculation or blindly accept some of the channeled info on that subject. (Just my own self imposed limitation).

Posted by Christine (here)
I can laugh with you.. yes I can. But my body and HER body speaks differently. Would Gaia agree that by killing HER we are setting her spirit free? This One thinks not.. quite a bit of presumption in your speak my friend.

Posted by sirdipswitch (here)
Matters not. For I know that in killing you, I am only killing a body, and just setting your Spirit free, to go do something else.

Actually and seriously I think I should expand on this post. Long has the "body" and physical realm been maligned and denominated our "prison". This is a belief I hold erroneous. Our body is our vessel, our vehicle.. it holds more keys to our own salvation and enlightenment than most are aware. Through her I am able to penetrate the deeper aspects of intelligence.

As above so below.

[sirdipswitch]

Great post Christine!!! Thanks!!

But my body and HER body speaks differently. Would Gaia agree that by killing HER we are setting her spirit free? This One thinks not.. quite a bit of presumption in your speak my friend.

Huh?

Did I mention Gaia, in this sentance?

[I][Matters not. For I know that in killing you, I am only killing a body, and just setting your Spirit free, to go do something else./I]

Was talkin about you and your body, not hers. As for "Gaia", when we go too far, it's the Moonies, (people who live in the Moon, and "Created" this rock we call Gaia) That will, can, and does wipe the slate clean and start over, as they have done for more times than you can count. The past 4 times, they have only removed the "Human" animal, and left all the rest. After Gaia recovered her natural pristine beaty, Human was re-introduced.

Actually and seriously I think I should expand on this post. Long has the "body" and physical realm been maligned and denominated our "prison". This is a belief I hold erroneous. Our body is our vessel, our vehicle.. it holds more keys to our own salvation and enlightenment than most are aware. Through her I am able to penetrate the deeper aspects of intelligence.


Double Huh?? cc.

I agree fully. Didn't say that it wasn't. I just said that it can be killed. Please don't presume that I meant something more.

I will though to set the record straight, say that these Physical Bodies are a Divine creation, that were designed to live forever. They were designed to be home to our Immortal Spirits, so that we could reside in 12th density, as Physical Spirits. Some ET races, know who and what we are and are trying to "join" in our parade, and others are trying to keep us from it. That is why TPTB have been programming us from birth, to "grow old' and die. Programming us to get sick and die. Return to Spirit, and Honor this body with Immortality, and you can keep it forever. That is if ya like the one ya got well enough to keep forever. ccc.

[seeker/reader]

Posted by Omniverse (here)
One implanted into us because we were ruled by 'the gods'

This occurred due to malevolent ET races that came here playing "god" and the anthropomorphic view of "God" was installed into our mindset/society.

Getting into the reasons they are atheist..... After viewing the flaws of the universe, it becomes quite evident they have said that this universe was not designed by one supreme being. For example some races suffered nuclear holocausts and screwed their race and planet forever basically...... Would a god allow that?

The state of any planet would be the culmination of the free will choices made by its inhabitants. Free will and choice is the ultimate mechanism for experiencing life and all its feedback. Whether that be good or bad.

Another big reason is that there has been no contact by such a God throughout the history of the universe.

These ET races do not seem very spiritually advanced if they do not know that their essence/soul is a part of God/Source incarnated into an ET body to make free will choices and experience life in the universe. They need to remember who they are then they can reconnect with God/Source. Since their soul essence is a part of God/Source.

And to end this post, the blond ones have made it clear they are very spiritual. They just aren't religious...

See my above comment pertaining to their spiritual state.

[sirdipswitch]

Love yer "Jeep, "Sportscar", thingy. I'm definately a Jeep. ccc. And as you, I have a bit too many "off road" miles on this ol Jeep! ccc. However, we do have the "option", to return to Spirit, and then "rebuild" this body, (Jeep. cc.) any way we wish. hmm. Food fer thought, eh??? ccc.

[Freed Fox]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

My strong suspicion: As below, so above. Think of the sweeping variations on this planet in culture, individual attitude, personal characteristics (whatever racial type one is from), political affiliation, and general Service-to-Others (or Service-to-Self) agenda. Most of these defy simple categorization.

On this planet alone, we cannot easily predict the friendliness of someone we meet on the street, whether at home or half way across the world. And all that will be reflected many times over in the greater galaxy and beyond.

Echoing the above as it is both reasonable and truthful.

My intuition has been growing stronger and I, in turn, have been learning to trust it more. In this case, I feel strongly that the kind of generalizations that the OP is promoting are vastly flawed, if not patently false.

You can't even judge Earth's entire population from a sample of say, two million people. Not realistically. Same is the case here. Trying to fit all "Reptilians" under the same umbrella should be another red flag for anyone reading, as there are many different races fitting that general description and they are NOT ALL THE SAME. Sometimes people use that term for lack of more specific names for those races, but at the same time they should not go about making sweeping generalizations about them.

I'd apologize for the redundancy, as I've said as much before, but I'll keep on saying it as long as it evidently bears repeating.

[Agape]

I don't think that 'atheist' is a great term to define 'advanced ETs' . It simply falls too much to the paradox of duality of human perception and understanding of those matters , specific to the prevalent philosophy and culture of human race of this time period .
What if .. you were brought up , philosophically , in old Vedic culture - that itself flourished for few thousand of years of recorded history and much longer of the not so well recorded, legendary pre-history and the crucial paradigm of your society would offer you 2 choices , rather than theism and atheism ,
you'd define yourself as either 'dvaitin' or 'advaitin'. Giving an example here to think on , for those who wish to do so .

'Dvaitin' ( though the term is very obsolete and scriptural ) is practically someone like your 'theist' , a devotee , someone who sees perceives himself and any definition of Godhead as two separate entities . So a 'dualist' by literal translation.

'Advaitin' , a non-dualist is someone who maintains faith in innate one-ness and interconnectedness of life, consciousness, as a whole and in all its manifestation as infinite life forms, unity of micro- and macro- cosm as a base of his philosophical understanding .
So 'advaitin' , a non-dualist is tad closer to your 'atheist' but it does not exactly mean one and the same .

Unfortunately the term 'atheist' starts with 'theist' as its root , so it logically suggests that first defined philosophy of humans was 'theism' rather than vice versa . Since the very definition of 'homo sapiens' depends on their ability to identify and define themselves philosophically , it's likely that the 'first cultured man' was 'homo theist' in fact , and 'homo atheist' - the one who refuted the first parties believes came much later .

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Where 'advanced ETs' are concerned and where I can testify , most of them are aware of the 'First Source' . We maintain that all Life in the Universe once originated from one source ,
even though the 'One' could have had multiple manifestation of itself in multiple universes ,
but the 'Source' is kind of super intelligent cosmic entity whose sole function and beauty is in its ability to 'spill out' and manifest patterns that become seed forms of life. Thus , the Source is seeding the Space .. in distinct phases of its long long life and existence, parallel with the material , non-living Universe of Stars and Planets and all Life can be defined as sparkle of its intelligence and potential .

This is an awareness and understanding ... it's a memory we carry within .. not exactly a faith .
There's no 'faith' attached to the fact that the Source would further take care of its manifestation or maintain some kind of dualistic relationship with it.

All those patterns and forms of life it subsequently manifests become sovereign and independent of it in the moment of their creation .


The place where the Source of Life - something like Cradle of Life , physically exists in the Universe .. is very remote and maintains timespace of its own . It's the only Life not exactly dependant on non-living Universe . It has its own life cycles though speaking of its physical lifetime would let us run to some really long numbers .

'Advanced ETs' , most of them anyway , actually maintain the same silent awareness of the Source , they hold all Life sacred as a manifestation of its intelligence and define themselves as good and sovereign beings .
Certainly not as 'plants' , 'animals' or even machines ... though obviously , the former two categories are all considered life forms , intelligent life forms, they are not viewed exactly as 'advanced ' .


Those ETs who are still struggling with getting ahold of their genetic memory, heritage and awareness of the 'First Source' are more similar to certain humans in that sense that they maintain disability to posses full answers to their questions.
In that respect , they would insist on being agnostics or even atheists but similarly to humans , their awareness is still occupied with the search for their 'big answer' or even their 'big question'.


Understanding and faith - are two different things from where I see it .


We all may need either and both ..


that much from my ET side of matters and it's up to you whether you understand or believe .

[seeker/reader]

Posted by sirdipswitch (here)

As for "Gaia", when we go too far, it's the Moonies, (people who live in the Moon, and "Created" this rock we call Gaia) That will, can, and does wipe the slate clean and start over, as they have done for more times than you can count. The past 4 times, they have only removed the "Human" animal, and left all the rest. After Gaia recovered her natural pristine beaty, Human was re-introduced.

So Sirdipwitch, do the Moonies have an ultimate goal in mind for us that they hope humanity achieves here on Earth? What is their opinion of our current situation? Are they planning on pulling the plug on humanity again soon?

I will though to set the record straight, say that these Physical Bodies are a Divine creation, that were designed to live forever. They were designed to be home to our Immortal Spirits, so that we could reside in 12th density, as Physical Spirits. Some ET races, know who and what we are and are trying to "join" in our parade, and others are trying to keep us from it. That is why TPTB have been programming us from birth, to "grow old' and die. Programming us to get sick and die. Return to Spirit, and Honor this body with Immortality, and you can keep it forever. That is if ya like the one ya got well enough to keep forever. ccc.

How will the ETs be able to join in on our parade?

Thanks!

Seeker/Reader