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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Just dropping in this latest news. I just heard on the Radio that a passenger plane has gone missing. with 110 passengers and 6 crew on board.

    It disappeared from radar 50mins after take off, but was not reported missing until 4hrs later.

    Algeria lost contact with Air Algerie aircraft: APS state news agency.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0FT0YK20140724

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/0...0FT0YC20140724

    This news may deserve its own thread. I do not have time just now.
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    Where’s the beef? US media blame game VS Russia’s counter-evidence



    Published on 24 Jul 2014


    The MH17 crash is turned into an information war by western media. Despite
    the US officials say there is no evidence of Russia’s involvement in MH17 crash,
    the Western media is looking for a new face to blame. RT’s Gayane Chichakyan reports

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    In these surreal times when the ancient 'Game of Thrones'
    is being played out in new ways in this global theatre.
    When communication is better than ever before in
    recent human history . I just saw this u'tube of the Queens
    guards playing a version of the popular HBO series based
    on the books GRR Martin of which I am a fan. A lot of
    the political intrigues is based on historical stories,
    particularly the war of the Roses, and the hundred
    years war between the rival dynasties of the France
    and England. Also the dispute between the houses of
    York and Lancaster.....Anyway after saying all that
    this tickled me....The most appropriate place to play it
    .....LOL. Its not sinister as they play many hit theme
    tunes I actually enjoyed it.




    Published on 15 Jul 2014

    During the changing of the royal guards at Buckingham Palace the guards surprised
    the crowd by playing the theme song of HBO's series "Game of Thrones" 15/7/14


    ====================================================
    ====================================================


    Oh well back to reality...David reminding us how protest/truth movements are
    infiltrated.


    The pattern emerges: Infiltration and attacks on truth tellers by those who use ‘truth telling’ as their cover story

    new Thursday 24th July 2014 at 08:52 By david-icke





    It has happened to me many times and is still happening and this is an article by
    the leading voice in chemtrail exposure, Michael J. Murphy, about how the
    chemtrail movement is being ‘coopted’ – the definition of which is ‘to divert or use
    In a role different from the original.’



    ‘When the activism of those who are leading the charge of bringing truth to the
    public threatens the establishment and cannot be discredited, it is then that we see
    the most cunning of infiltrations that include personal attacks and divisive
    arguments. These are usually brought in to slow down or even halt the progress
    that threatens the agendas and consolidation of power that activists are seeking to
    expose.

    Whether brought in by mistake, emotion or agenda, the same strategy of division
    usually appears from the same people who often use tactical character
    assassinations and/or bring in divisive arguments that can tear down the
    cohesiveness and progress that has been made. It is only by these means can
    those who are not “called” then rise to the top of movements, get public attention
    and then control which often leads to co-opting and divisions in groups.’

    Read more …

    http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=6369
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Obama administration sending military advisers to Ukraine within weeks

    new Thursday 24th July 2014 at 08:24 By david-icke





    ‘The United States is reportedly preparing to send a team of military advisers into Ukraine to
    assist with revamping forces there in the midst of the ongoing crisis between government-loyal
    troops and an anti-Kiev militia.

    On Tuesday this week, the Washington Times reported that a spokesperson for the US Department
    of Defense confirmed plans to put Pentagon advisers in Ukraine.

    “Within the next few weeks, a group of Defense Department representatives who specialize in
    strategy and policy will head to Kiev to evaluate specific programs that the United States may
    want to help bolster,” reporter Maggie Ybarra wrote for the Times.’

    Read more: Obama administration sending military advisers to Ukraine within weeks


    http://rt.com/usa/175048-pentagon-ad...aine-military/

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    Rebels shoot down two Ukrainian fighter jets – Ukrainian claim

    new Thursday 24th July 2014 at 08:20 By david-icke





    ‘Pro-Russia rebels have shot down two Ukrainian fighter jets in eastern Ukraine just days
    after the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, a Ukrainian military spokesman has said.

    “Two Sukhoi Ukrainian fighter jets have been shot down. The fate of the pilots is not known,”
    a spokesman, Oleksiy Dmytrashkivsky, said, adding that the planes had been brought down
    about 16 miles (25km) from the MH17 crash site.

    A second military spokesman, however, said insurgent rocket fire had brought the jets down
    at a different location. The two pilots managed to parachute out, he said, giving no further
    details about their condition.’

    Read more: Rebels shoot down two Ukrainian fighter jets – Ukrainian claim

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...hter-jets-mh17

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    Malaysia Airlines MH17 crash: Massive rise in sale of British arms to Russia

    new Thursday 24th July 2014 at 08:17 By david-icke





    ‘The Government was last night accused of double standards over arms sales to Russia
    after it emerged that officials have approved a massive increase in weaponry to be sold
    to the country to more than £130m.

    MPs warn today that at least 251 export licences for the sale of controlled goods – ranging
    from sniper rifles to night sights – remain in place despite a call from Prime Minister David
    Cameron for other countries, in particular France, to halt lucrative arms deals with Moscow.’

    Read more: Malaysia Airlines MH17 crash: Massive rise in sale of British arms to Russia

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...w-9622025.html

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    Quote Posted by Billy (here)
    Just dropping in this latest news. I just heard on the Radio that a passenger plane has gone missing. with 110 passengers and 6 crew on board.

    It disappeared from radar 50mins after take off, but was not reported missing until 4hrs later.

    Algeria lost contact with Air Algerie aircraft: APS state news agency.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0FT0YK20140724

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/0...0FT0YC20140724

    This news may deserve its own thread. I do not have time just now.
    Can't deny the fact that these types of events are escalating. MH17 one week ago, Taiwan yesterday, and now Mali-Algeria this morning....YIKES!
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Although I did not see Billy's post above until just now, I heard about this new plane "accident" on the TV and started a new thread for the Algiers plane's disappearance:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...14-Air-Algerie
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    Quote Posted by Lifebringer (here)
    If I were the other nations, I would NEVER USE BOEING ANYTHING. They are SSG and have been for over 70 years. The owner went to his dying bed and posted on YT, what they were doing, hoping to gain mercy and forgiveness for what they have done.
    I'd still very much like to see the source of this information! Lifebringer?

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    Quote Posted by Roisin (here)
    Kolomoisky has publicly spoken of Ukraine as the “second homeland” of the Jewish people. [/U]
    This is understandable in view of the history dating back at least to the 7th century, and more recently the effort to resettle Jews in the Ukraine and the Crimea in the 20s and 30s. Ukraine is actually more like the first homeland of the Jewish people.
    http://www.geschichteinchronologie.c...Krim-ENGL.html
    http://www.geschichteinchronologie.c...pter-ENGL.html

    For the work of the Agro-Joint (American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee) see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...tion_Committee
    There is an account of the Agro-Joint venture in eastern Europe in Ron Chernow’s _The Warburgs, reviewed here: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v15/v15n5p33_Weir.html

    Quote International Network

    What is remarkable is not the degree of intolerance, but the extent to which Jews were tolerated and even encouraged in Germany. Jews were permitted to wield tremendous power and influence even though so many of them -- with the Warburgs at the forefront -- were part of a mighty, supra-national Jewish network that was dedicated above all to its own particular interests.

    Members of this international Jewish elite cemented its ties through marriage. For example, Felix Warburg married Frieda Schiff, daughter of probably the most powerful Jew in America, the German-born Jacob Schiff. Felix's brother Paul married Nina Loeb, daughter of another prominent Jewish banker, Solomon Loeb.

    An international network of Jewish organizations and charities devoted to the well-being of Jewish communities around the world operated as a shadow government for this scattered, stateless population. As leading members of the "Jewish royalty," the Warburgs played an important role in resettling hundreds of thousands of Russian and eastern European Jews in the United States during the late 19th and early 20th centuries, underwriting the development of a Jewish cultural center in Palestine, and other projects. They also played an major role in domestic and international politics. During the Russo-Japanese war (1904-1905), Felix Warburg's father-in-law, Jacob Schiff, a fierce enemy of Tsarist Russia, helped finance the Japanese war effort. Driven by intense hatred of Russia's conservative, anti-Jewish government, Schiff kept Russia from obtaining Wall Street financing prior to the overthrow of the Tsarist regime and American entry into World War I.

    A little-known but very ambitious Warburg project between the wars was the "Agro-Joint." Established in 1924 and financed by Felix Warburg, Julius Rosenwald (of Sears, Roebuck), and John D. Rockefeller, Jr., the "American Jewish Joint Agricultural Corporation" funnelled millions of dollars into Soviet Russia to transplant hundreds of thousands of Jews to 215 farming colonies on two and a half million acres. "Agro-Joint" money purchased land, livestock, agricultural machinery and more than a thousand tractors. Four hundred trade schools were established to train Jews in metal, woodworking, printing and other skills. (Regrettably, Chernow provides little information about the Soviet officials who dealt with the Warburgs in this venture.)

    In 1927 Felix Warburg toured the Soviet republic, visiting 40 of the Jewish agricultural colonies in Ukraine and Crimea (including two named after him). At meetings in their community halls, an elated and inspired Warburg praised the colonists and their pioneering work. Back in United States, he responded to critics with a vigorous defense of the Communist regime. Felix Warburg was, writes Chernow, "quick to note that the Soviet government was improving the economic lot of the Jews."

    The utopian scheme lasted until 1937 when the Soviets double-crossed the American capitalists and absorbed the Jewish colonies into local Soviet agencies. The last "Agro-Joint" assets were transferred to the Soviet government in 1940.

    This channeling of money to Soviet Russia greatly upset Zionist leaders such as Stephen Wise and Chaim Weizmann, who grumbled that the millions should have been directed instead to building a Jewish presence in Palestine. Weizmann worked very hard to win Warburg family support for the establishment of a Jewish state there. The Warburgs were skeptical of Zionism, though, fearing that a Jewish state would supplant the traditional organizations, which they headed, as the nexus of Jewish political power. To reassure the reluctant Warburgs, Weizmann told them that the term "Jewish state" was only meant metaphorically.
    Chernow’s account has to be read with great caution, particularly on account of the above-mentioned lack of Soviet input, but also, while emphasizing the rift between the Zionists and the then non-Zionist aristocratic bankers, who were happy with a non-Palestinian solution, in terms of rich and poor, he has little or nothing to say about the fanatical religious Armageddonite component. His historical, business and family perspective, and most of all the fact that his intended independent research was taken over to become an almost official history, mean that we need to be aware of these conflicting undercurrents in the present situation as well. It is never quite as simple as calling a false flag by A against B.

    Quote The clash between Felix [Warburg] and Ben-Gurion went far beyond personalities, Ben-Gurion believed that Felix and other rich, charitable Jews felt threatened by a Jewish state, which would supplant the old elite. A Jewish state, said Ben-Gurion, would jeopardize ‘their property, status, rights, and influence’. This reflected a long-standing resentment felt by poorer Jews against those aristocratic leaders who had pleaded their cause in European ministries. The Zionist movement was, in part, a populist revolt against Jewish banking royalty. As [Chaim] Weizmann exulted, ‘The Warburgs and the Rothschilds and their methods have gone forever.’ (The Warburgs, p.454)
    Clearly something has happened to paper over this historical paradox whereby Jews could be equally accused of being evil capitalists and evil communists. But the reconciliation of these opposing factions to form the current cabal with their end-times agenda is only as strong as the glue that holds them together. The weakness of negative forces is always their inability to collaborate harmoniously. Regardless of the ins and outs of the downing of this plane, I suspect that it is an act of warfare between these factions that is weakening both.

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Quote Posted by Möbius (here)
    I apologies if some one else has stated the obvious already but how the **** do the west know exactly what happen to MH17 before any investigation has even started whilst at the same time they haven't got a clue what happened to MH370! The main stream media have stated that they have the technology to track a missile anywhere on the planet but they cannot track a Boeing 777! To add suspicion to the mix, how did the two strangest events in aviation history in the last 20 or more years have happened to the same flag carrier within 4 months! **** me, if this isn't evidence of the main stream media blatantly following the instructions of TPTB then I don't know what is. Then we have Israel stream rolling the Gaza strip the main stream media does not say a dickey bird! I had a BBC automated news update on my iPhone this week that said the an Israeli soldier had gone missing in the Gaza strip. On my god! I was so concerned about this single Israeli soldier that I almost fell off my chair, not! However, the main stream media didn't send me a automated news update about the 600 Palestinians (Most of which are women and children) that have been murdered by the Israeli government. Even the unbelievers are starting to realise that this planet stinks of ****!

    In summary, the Russians are being blamed for deliberately downing a commercial airline 4 months after when one went missing without a trace, whereas Israel can do the **** they want with impunity.

    The famous phrase that "Israel does not negotiate, it annihilates." is true.

    By the way, I just made that one up because I believe that it is the truest statement that I could have come with. It has been going on for 58 years and no one in power gives a ****.

    Roger, out...


    What we see is everyone showing their 'true colors' and it could be much worse than it is I'm afraid .

    The situation is much bigger than what it seems , what we see is a tip of an ice-berg ..something that should be addressed on larger international platform ...the situation of post-Soviet Russia and their Republics ,
    this may go on and on if not forever then for long yet ..

    many of them experienced dramatic , drastic challenges , the fights in Chechnya , Georgia , oppressive regimes in either of the northern republics of Lithuania, Latvia and Moldavia is those I remember ,
    and the Ukraine crisis was escalating for so many years now . 10 years or more ,
    no one gave it any serious consideration at all .

    It's not an easy topic to talk about for what do we know about it . For sure . But for years now , a decade or two ,
    Europe is being flooded with Ukrainian , Russian and other former Soviet republics migrants . Some of them are political exiles and refugees though most may be cheap migrant workers ,
    we are facing this sort of sub-societal humanitarian crisis for years now .

    What is happening at their home countries ? We do not know .. but from what they say , most of the political scene in these newly developing countries is extremely corrupted , taken over by fresh 'billionaires' who rule their countries with perverse tastes of many sorts .

    We hear of wide spread alcoholism, poverty, local fights and looting being rather common , lack of infrastructures .

    There is one thing even more common to all these territories influenced by more than 70 years of Russian communism and that is weak or missing sense of cultural and political identity .

    This concerns tens if not hundreds of ethnics of Asian and Caucasian descent who were held under the Russian dominion for long enough , with their native cultures and religions suppressed by the 'common' , common man , common communist regime, one rule for all ,
    to wipe sense of self-dignity and appreciation from their brains for long time and replace it with an idol of 'big Russian' . Big white man who will sort it out all, for you .

    No matter what was claimed in public MSM in that era, voices of 'common people' and those of ethnical difference from Russians were being suppressed .
    Unity was praised, for sure , on behalf of single government and its rule . Even if it was practically impossible ... these people were kept together by promises, big gestures,
    building agriculture communes on their land, making them work and of course .. engaging them in military .

    Nothing was more than 'the one' .. I'm sure they could still have churches, and cultural centres , and museums .. in similar way that China has turned the thousands of years of their cultural history to 'museums' , outlived , forcefully, cut off traditions ,
    and established brainwashed regimen in peoples minds that does not require much awareness , much history, all it requires is a drone work .

    So this is the situation now, in short .. if you look to Ukraine and most of these other post-Soviet republics, they're still 'full of it' . They live the pro-or-against Russian paradigm, victims of the big politics of this world most are afraid even to stick their nose out anywhere for the fear of being judged .
    And many if not most are living some sort of nationalistic nightmare, similar to those other nightmares I find so hard to understand whether they're Israeli , Chinese or Papue-New-Guinese though the last should be forgiven for being so small .

    It may take decades if not centuries to rebuild sense of identity and cultural strength for these people .. and many other people on this earth who lived under oppressive regimes and still do .

    I agree with one thing ..and this is .. Russia should take a stand .. not just towards the current situation,
    they should ADMIT RESPONSIBILITY for what they've been head of for some 70 years or more ,
    it's been their mentality all over the place, their laws, their army . I've never heard they'd come out and say 'sorry' for what they've done to these people .

    And this has concerned or concerns millions of people all over the continent and their fates .
    They buried what they could , at all times, not to let the world know, whether it were gulags, prisons, nuclear disasters, human experiments, space program, and namely, humanitarian disasters .

    Known for the 'potemkin villages' and shows , of people well dressed in their regional dresses singing songs and offering cheese ..smiling ,
    while what they did not show you were barefoot children begging for food in the other town and inhumane situation in most institutions.

    The information barricade too they did not show you and what way they've grown whole generation or two of 'empty minded' , brainwashed citizens .. some of whom will never recover because they're too old now to be able to do that .
    The pioneers of mind control experiments who tried to impose their controls and monitors just about anywhere they could ..
    so that the US could or had to , follow in their footsteps . So that this world has to follow in their footsteps which makes them extremely proud of it all ...



    Sure one day this earth shall breathe once this old mentality is forgotten .



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    I Just got sent this.

    Marine Links Serco Body-Snatch Tags to Cameron-White’s Spot-Fix Bags and MH17 Murder of Banker Hoare.

    http://www.abeldanger.net/2014/07/20...dy-snatch.html

    (AbelDanger.net): United States Marine Field McConnell has linked Serco agents’ alleged use of offender tags to track bodies snatched from mass-casualty crime scenes to David Cameron’s apparent deployment of spot-fixing body bags for his erstwhile spread-betting friends at White’s Club and the MH Flight 17 murder of banker Andrew Hoare – a suspected whistle blower to a HSBC-Gadhafi Family money-laundering racket in Luxembourg.

    Readers should check the articles below which suggest that four generations of the Cameron family have helped HSBC to launder profits from the international arms and drug trade and see if they can identify the people (at White’s?) who appear to have hired "'experts' of unknown provenance" to remove bodies from the MH17 crime scene and fill spot-fixed bags with body parts, including those belonging to prospective whistle blower and Luxembourg banker, the late Andrew Hoare.
    SNIP:

    Of the 10 dead Britons, the four yet to be identified were named on Saturday as John Allen, a Netherlands-based lawyer who died with his wife Sandra and their sons Christopher, Julian and Ian; Robert Ayley, 28, a dog breeder and father of two from Guildford in Surrey, who lived in New Zealand; Stephen Anderson, 44, who lived in Penang, Malaysia; and Andrew Hoare, 59, a banker who died alongside his Dutch wife Estella and their two children, Friso and Jasper, who were aged 12 and 14 and of Dutch nationality.

    more here. http://www.abeldanger.net/2014/07/20...dy-snatch.html
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    Lightbulb Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    EGO vs Experience?

    Which of the 2 compels one out of stubbornness NOT TO bury that "bone" and truly join the kool aid free banquet of minds here at Avalon? Which has to feel they WON or ONE UPPED an APPONENT in a FORUM (They are not debates but discussions). Which one makes one feel their idea/perspective has to be the one pushed on everyone else (See Below Aspects of a person that is "AWAKENED"... Is this behavior of an Awakened Soul or Mind?

    (Avalon and its long time and fellow vetted members have the knowledge and experience that make up that banquet... a few EGO's but mostly pure service to others types ready to feed and be fed. No Cult, just PEOPLE with wide range of experiences in esoteric and many whistle blowers like my self that gave pieces of their soul at one time while working for the dark side before moving from "Service to Self" TO "Service TO OTHERS"!)

    We see what we wan't to see or what maybe we know to be true sometimes of our selves in others words... (It is then that "EGO" comes into your equation)... IT MAY Not necessarily end up what the person was "Feeling" or "Implied" at all.

    However those that cast sharp worded daggers at the perceived "EGO'S" of others "Reality Bubbles", Beliefs or Ideas which are held sacred among most on Avalon, THEY do tend to fade away after receiving a moderator warning or "Forum Vacation" eventually. That is if they do not learn certain aspects of respect in a Forum/Thread (Just what I have observed...).

    It seems to have happened quite a lot lately as certain Member Types I am sure on the RADAR to prevent AVALON from becoming another "Above Top Secret.Com"... As moderators of other sites now know there was a "Green Lit Program" to infiltrate and divide successful Alternative News/Forum Groups. Some have been successful.

    About the personal attacks in the above posts and the way you chastised people that have not agree'd with your absolute ideal of what the truth is and scrambled to control the Thread Topic leads me back to my last footnote... (See Kool Aid Graphic)...

    I can only visit that from reposting a reply from another thread here.

    When it come's to ideological themes and concepts there is plenty of room to argue. When it comes to area of Asymmetrical Warfare I tend to speak from experience than "EGO", where are you speaking from? Before you answer read my canned reply below.


    Thread: Advanced Extraterrestrials are Vastly Atheist
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...287#post850287

    Quote Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
    Not to poo poo any one else's "Reality Bubble's" or "Experiences" but I must lay out what I have come to believe about "Them" (The few out of the many I/We have come into contact with) from my experiences...

    With such a wide range of beings through the vast Oceans of Time and Space (Just in our Dimension Alone) it is difficult for people of our current understanding to lump all of "Them" together under such a blanket statement IMHO. Different species have had different journey's in becoming the current interstellar, intergalactic, inter-dimensional/density/universe Race they are currently. Most have done so with some sort of Spiritual/Consciousness Technological Component that we would call "Spooky Action at a Distance" or just Magic. Not counting the AI or those led by AI Power Structures of course, there are just so many types of cultures out there (But who built the AI before it became autonomous?).

    Many of them are well known to tell us what we want (Or NEED) to hear. What they truly believe may be another matter, they have to know there are other layers of the Spectrum above them with intelligent beings existing within them and these beings are not god's. However they having an understanding of advanced space/dimensional jumping and the "Spooky" component to it, Have the ability to remove people's essence's and their own from their bodies etc... Have to understand that there is much more out there and the word "Atheist" would (In my opinion) be a very difficult color to paint most of "Them".

    In my experience most believe in a "Source" with various belief systems of that "Source" which dance around being a "Religion" without being an actual Religion. Though that is what we try to say about Science here on Earth... and it is the largest Religion on the planet. Again, "IMHO from my ability to reason from the experiences in my reality bubble".

    Again, I am not going to step on anyone else's perceived experience, information imparted to them in that experience or how that info was reasoned and dealt with intellectually in their reality bubble. We all live in our own and bounce off each others, coalescing with one another at times depending on compatibility. The above is only based on my life experiences, encounters and so on...
    Deviating from my prior post (Which is how I truly FEEL!) and the topic slightly I offer the following thought not out of malice...
    Once you really get out there you realize the ONLY REAL DELUSION is OUR OWN REALITIES and how convinced we are of our own DIVINITY as we take pot shots at each others EGO's. WE are seen by many out there as a MODIFIED APE'S (WE ARE CHIMERA) living on a prison planet who sit and muse at the stars as we have for MANY thousands of years then looking back down at the back of our hand at the end of our out stretched arm always pondering... WHO/WHY ARE WE?

    Now that we have decided we all are divine and basically are the god's of our own destinies we continue to allow the other "divine individuals" foul our sacred planet and subjugate the rest of the "divine individuals" of the planet with $ magic and fear of death through war and famine. We get online and shout out against some of these crimes against humanity and our home planet but we willingly take part in the system and contribute to the establishment that subjugates and defines all of us "divine individuals" as "USELESS EATERS".

    We are as much hypocrites as we are divine in the logic of any spiritually or technically advanced beings of this density that wonder by or take part in our subjugation. Now we sit debating weather they believe in a CREATOR/GOD/DIVINE SOURCE? If they stopped their activities long enough to brows this thread would they think it humorous, a sad exercise in futility or with our current affairs being as they are the topic non-relevant? If we put our EGO's, Personal Beliefs and Realities aside for a moment and "muse" further... If it is true that A Source, Source Field, or Consciousness Singularity broke itself into countless pieces and levels of spectrums to experience every possible experience, created a holographic program and left it running or we are all just a fleeting daydream that has come and gone and were just a memory engram or loop in time what will it matter if we being the "divine individual" at the end of our loops of life times or missions as a light warriors if this experience is the last before "plugging back in" to source? Is this the way we would want to end our final report how ever that presentation may be?

    I believe things are just as widely complicated "Up There" and even through out the "Spectrums" we are unaware of as things are down here no matter how much "THEY" evolve... there is alway more room for them to ascend. There are the good the bad and the ugly as well as the ones who think they have it all figured out and deserve to Lord Over All Beings Below Them...

    Who am "I" to state the above? NO ONE of any importance above or below anyone else in this realm... I hope not to offend but encourage deeper thoughtfulness of each others treatment of one anothers views and journeys in this mass awakening of consciousness we are ALL EXPERIENCING!



    WOULD POSITIVE (Non AI's OR Reptiles that eat our flesh and feed on our bad mojo etc...) ET/ED's HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS SAME PROCESS WEATHER THEY BELIEVE IN A "SOURCE/CREATION/GOD" OR NOT?

    "TO THE THREAD ON THE MH AIRCRAFT/PASSPORT ABOVE POST, THIS IS THE ARTICLE AND POINT I WANT PEOPLE TO READ AND PONDER ON BEFORE STRIKING OUT IN ANONYMITY IN A "REACTIONARY RANT"!

    25 Characteristics You May Find In Those Who Are Awakening
    June 26, 2014 | By WakingTimes


    There is no doubt the Earth is evolving spiritually. People are experiencing intense changes within their life, work, behaviors and personal relationships. Many are awakening at a rate that can only be described as phenomenal. So how do we know if we are awakening? Here are 25 common characteristics you may find in yourself and others.

    Some of you may experience things not on this list and I encourage you to share your experiences in the comments below. We are all unique and many of us are experiencing phenomenon that are difficult to explain at this time. We are all learning from each other.

    1. Being in public places is sometimes overwhelming. Since our walls between self and other are dissolving, we haven’t really learned to distinguish between someone else’s energy and our own. If the general mood of the crowd is herd-like or negative, we can feel this acutely, and may feel like retreating into our own private space. When we have recharged our batteries with meditation, spending time in nature, far away from other people, or just sitting in quiet contemplation, we are ready to be with the masses again. In personal relationships, we often will feel someone else’s emotions as our own. It is important to have this higher sense of empathy, but we must learn to allow another person’s emotions while observing them and keeping our empathy, but, realizing that not all emotions belong to us. Social influence can dampen our own innate wisdom.

    2. We understand our current paradigm, more than we understand ourselves. We see the big picture and marvel and the duality of our world including why polarity consciousness has brought us to where it has today. We no longer see life choices and right or wrong, good or bad, just choices defined by the neutral frequencies that we later define. Unity consciousness is allowing us to spread the message of unity consciousness to all of humanity that will allow us to heal our division and change the misery of our human beings to abundance within a global community filled with love for each other and not fear of each other.

    3. We know things without having to intellectually figure them out. Often called intuitive awareness, we have ‘a-ha’ moments and insights that can explain some of the most complex theories or phenomenon in the world. Some of the most brilliant minds of our time just ‘know.’ Adepts and sages often were given downloads of information from higher states of consciousness after meditating or being in the presence of a more conscious individual; this is happening for more people with more frequency. As we trust our intuition more often, it grows stronger. This is a time of ‘thinking’ with our hearts more than our heads. Our guts will no longer be ignored. Our dreams are becoming precognitive and eventually our conscious thoughts will be as well.

    4. We acknowledge our imperfection and how beautiful it is to be an imperfect version of our true selves. We thrive on challenging only ourselves, and not through competition at the expense of another, especially since we have no need to judge those who are exactly where they need to be.

    5. Watching television or most of main stream media, including newspapers and many Hollywood movies is very distasteful to us. The mindset that creates much, but not all, of the programming on television and in cinema is abhorrent. It commodifies people and promotes violence. It reduces our intelligence and numbs our natural empathetic response to someone in pain.

    6. We no longer have a need to attach our love to material things, understanding that it only leads to misery because we are not learning to love ourselves and others. The mentality only leads to further acquisition of more things. Although things too are part of consciousness, they do not allow humans to accelerate the mass consciousness required to change the world. Only love for ourselves and others can do that. Love is knowing the deservability and worthiness of all. We are loved so unconditionally by Creation that we can even choose to believe that we are not loved.

    7. Lying to us is nearly impossible. We may not know exactly what truth you are withholding, but we can also tell that something isn’t right. We also know when you have other emotions, pain, love, etc. that you aren’t expressing. You’re an open book to us. We aren’t trained in counter-intelligence, we are just observant and knowing. While we may pick up on physical cues, we can look into your eyes and know what you are feeling.

    8. We may pick up symptoms of your cold, just like men who get morning sickness when their wives are pregnant. Sympathy pains, whether emotional or physical, are something we experience often. We tend to absorb emotion through the solar plexus, considered the place we ‘stomach emotion’ so as we learn to strengthen this chakra center, we may sometimes develop digestive issues. Grounding to the earth can help to re-establish our emotional center. Walking barefoot is a great way to re-ground.

    9. We tend to root for the underdog, those without voices, those who have been beaten down by the matrix, etc. We are very compassionate people, and these marginalized individuals often need more love. People can sense our loving hearts, so complete strangers will often tell us their life stories or approach us with their problems. While we don’t want to be a dumping ground for everyone’s issues, we are also a good ear for those working through their stuff.

    10. We don’t feel the need to awaken every person we see. Within a few sentences we can interpret their level of comfort in discussions relating to consciousness. When necessary, we plant a seed and if it’s meant to grow it will. We understand that attempting to awaken those who are not ready is toxic to their sensibilities.

    11. If we don’t learn how to set proper boundaries, we can get tired easily from taking on other people’s emotions. Energy Vampires are drawn to us like flies to paper, so we need to be extra vigilant in protecting ourselves at times.

    12. We are all becoming healers. We naturally gravitate toward healing fields, acupuncture, reiki, Qi-Gong, yoga, massage, midwifery, etc. are fields we often find ourselves in. We know that the collective needs to be healed, and so we try our best to offer healing in whatever form we are most drawn to. We also turn away from the ‘traditional’ forms of healing ourselves. Preferring natural foods, herbs, and holistic medicine as ways to cure every ailment.

    13. We see the possibilities before others do. Just like when the church told Copernicus he was wrong, and he stood by his heliocentric theory, we know what the masses refuse to believe. Our minds are light-years ahead.

    14. We are creative. We sing, dance, paint, invent, or write. We have amazing imaginations.

    15. We fully accept that we can only attract what is within our vibrational field. There are no experiences that we can obtain in physical form without attracting them from a vibrational perspective. That includes the most horrific experiences and the most beautiful ones. What we are learning to do is accept relationships and experiences for what they are. People and experiences are serving as reflections to teach us something about ourselves.

    16. We don’t question what love is, why it is or how it presents itself. We know it is everywhere, in everyone and everything, all permeating and infinite.

    17. We require more solitude than the average person.

    18. We might get bored easily, but we are really good at entertaining ourselves.

    19. We have a difficult time doing things we don’t want to do or don’t really enjoy. We really do believe life was meant to be an expression of joy. Why waste it doing something you hate? We aren’t lazy, we are discerning.

    20. We are obsessed with bringing the truth to light.

    21. We don’t live in fear of anything. Any and all changes coming, no matter how much they are perceived as negative or dramatic on our Earth, are being designed by us. We have passed the point of no return and the Earth is ascending to a higher state of consciousness. Nothing will stop it now.

    22. We can’t keep track of time. Our imaginations often get away with us and a day can feel like a minute, a week, a day.

    23. We abhor routine.

    24. We often disagree with authority (for obvious reasons). Some people call it “anarchy” without a true understanding of what that word or our governments really are.

    25. We will often be kind, but if you are egotistical or rude, we won’t spend much time with you or find an excuse to not hang out with people who are obsessed with themselves. We don’t ‘get’ people who are insensitive to other people’s feelings or points of view.

    EDIT: WHERE DO YOU FIND YOUR SELF ON THIS LIST? MANY WHO CLAIM TO BE AWAKE AND AWARE ARE DELUSIONAL AND THIS INFO WILL ONLY FRUSTRATE THEM... IF YOU ARE SERIOUS ABOUT GROWTH AND RISING ABOVE THE EGO, THEN LISTEN TO THAT VOICE YOU ARE HEARING THAT IS TELLING YOU TO GET BACK ON TRACK... THERE IS AN ENERGY/VIBRATION WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW THAT IS EFFECTING EVERYONE AND MANY HAVE BECOME DERAILED. TIME TO GET BACK ON TRACK! WHEN THINGS GO FURTHER TO CRAP AND PEOPLE ARE JERKED AWAKE THEY ARE GOING TO NEED THOSE OF US WHO WERE EARLY BIRDS...
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Breaking: Another one goes down...

    UPDATE: Algerian officials confirm Air Algerie flight AH5017 has crashed with 110 on board

    7:46pm July 24, 2014


    The Algerian civil aviation has lost contact with Air Algerie flight AH5017 carrying at least 110 passengers, after its takeoff from Burkina Faso. The McDonnell Douglas MD-83 was chartered from the Spanish company Swiftair. (AAP)

    Algerian officials have confirmed Air Algerie flight AH5017 has crashed, with at least 110 passengers on board.

    Algerian radio said 51 French citizens and 26 from Burkina Faso were among the passengers on the plane which dropped off the radar as it overflew northern Mali.

    Apart from seven Algerians, nationals from Canada, Ukraine and Luxembourg were also on board, it said.

    An official source in Lebanon said at least 20 of its nationals were also on the flight, including three couples with 10 children.

    Earlier, the airline reported it had lost contact with one of its passenger aircraft nearly an hour after takeoff from Burkina Faso bound for Algiers.

    Aviation sources told AFP the aircraft was a McDonnell Douglas MD-83 leased from Spanish company Swiftair carrying passengers of different nationalities.

    Its six-member crew were all Spanish, said Spain's airline pilots' union Sepla.

    France has sent two Mirage 2000 jets to look for the plane.

    France Transport Minister Frederic Cuvillier said after a government meeting that top civil aviation officials were holding an emergency meeting and a crisis cell had been set up.

    "The plane disappeared at Gao (in Mali), 500 kilometres (300 miles) from the Algerian border. Several nationalities are among the victims," Prime Minister Abdelmalek Sellal was cited as saying by Algerian radio.

    An Air Algerie source earlier said contact was lost while the airliner was still in Malian airspace and approaching the border with Algeria.

    Despite international military intervention still under way, the situation remains unstable in northern Mali, which was seized by jihadist groups for several months in 2012.

    On July 17, the Bamako government and armed groups from northern Mali launched tough talks in Algiers aimed at securing an elusive peace deal, and with parts of the country still mired in conflict.

    One of Algeria's worst air disasters occurred in February this year, when a C-130 military aircraft carrying 78 people crashed in the mountainous northeast, killing more than 70 people.

    Tamanrasset in the deep south was the site of the country's worst ever civilian air disaster, in March 2003.

    In that accident, all but one of 103 people on board were killed when an Air Algerie passenger plane crashed on takeoff after one of its engines caught fire.

    The sole survivor, a young Algerian soldier, was critically injured.

    http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/0...er-west-africa

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Quote Posted by Zamolxe (here)
    Quote Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
    (I am not calling you a "Troll" or passing judgment on you... I would have to check a persons Profile, how long it has been open and posting history in other threads to see if there were any patterns before that, and then would keep it to myself.)
    So this just got personal...

    you are not calling me a Troll, but you are implying it. You're actually saying that you believe I am a troll but because you haven't checked my profile, you can't say it "on the record". But you are convinced, and if you would check my profile you would surely determine that I AM a troll but would "keep it to yourself"... because you are such a forgiving and sensitive man...

    ¤=[Post Update]=¤ (Diversionary tactic feigning pain, slander or ATTACK against a person who has shown themselves to be the aggressor, Yes a sign of something, SPC GOODE)

    The questions I posed were actually arguments. Arguments that came up in my rational mind in real time while first watching the video.
    The reason I posted them as questions is because I always leave the possibility that I might be wrong. So if you so stubbornly kept defending this video, I posted all my arguments as questions. If you could have answered these questions, I would have shifted to the possibility that I was wrong.
    But you again avoided them with all this vague talk and generalities.

    Not once have you in your posts countered any of these specific arguments.

    Even now you keep implying that the passport story is legit: (Another Sign, You are and have been commenting on things you have no experience or base of reference on, just an opinion... looking and seeing only what one wants to see. Look closely at the posts and read the posted articles. I made it clear with another post to my Thread on the wider picture of what is going on if only you took the time to investigate. When it comes to the Video Source I spoke on a couple posts about the source, how he was controversial and how he may be nutty but has had GOOD INTEL that has panned out on more than half a dozen occasions per my sources. READ and try to understand and not plan your next retort in controlling the Thread's Subject Matter... SPC GOODE)

    Quote Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
    the End Theory that the Passports were just one bread crumb of.
    Is your ego that big that it's preventing you from admiting that your ration and logic weren't able to spot this BS video from the first moment?

    Are you actually trying to protect the image of yourself that you keep in your mind? Or are you just trying to save face in front of the users here?

    ¤=[Post Update]=¤ (BS Video it may be, as I stated the art of gathering INTEL requires dumpster diving... READ THE POST! You are not doing anything but pushing buttons and ruffling the feathers of anyone who disagree's with your assessment of a bit of INTEL that dropped out of an obscure location which happens daily/hourly... This is how it IS DONE PROFESSIONALLY! SPC GOODE)

    I realized after this thread that many of the people in the alternative community, as some users here on avalon, haven't gone down the rabbit hole because they were able to smell all the lies that surround us. I think that many of them have went down the alternative road only because of an egotistical impulse. The impulse of creating this image of one's self, as being smarter and less ignorant than another group of individuals, namely "the sheeple".

    Are you so narcisistic that you believe anything that seems to you a conspiracy is so? That you can't be wrong? And there's no need for rational thinking and analyzing of facts?
    (I don't think YOU know, or have any idea the difference between the "RABBIT HOLE" and a "OSTRICH HOLE"... If you really knew what the Rabbit Hole was you would lump it in with ABH007's creations or worse. I have been in and out of the Rabbit Hole so many times it would blow your mind (Again, see my Profile and all started Threads). I have tracked intel and have been very wrong, have embarrassed myself by passing disinfo up the chain of command and to friend that trusted me. Beyond embarrassment it was costly to some. I learned hard lessons from that incident and it took me quite some time to earn my reputation back among those sources. I did so and yet, I now have more skills and instincts that I use along with vetting the information with other UNRELATED Sources and once verified I comment or pass along the info. I do not just watch a video, the guy rubs me the wrong way and I say its all BS and I throw out the Baby with the Bath Water... Again, IF you had read my posts you would have known all of this and not posted these ridiculous statements.)

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    So... you just avoided countering my arguments once again, right?


    Gosh No! You just seemed to read all around it in every other of my posts and links... Friendly Advice: Research just a little before you swim these waters.

    Thread: Why Are the Bankers and Ex-Intel Types Running For Their Lives? (Confirmed for MONTHS by my vanishing sources)
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    Now this is an amazing development!

    Quote Ukrainian Prime Minister Yatsenyuk resigning

    Yatsenyuk made the announcement from the dais of the parliament after two parties said they would pull out of the governing coalition. "I am announcing my resignation in connect with the collapse of the coalition," Yatsenyuk said.
    HUGE DEVELOPMENT!!!!!!!!
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    Now this is an amazing development!

    Quote Ukrainian Prime Minister Yatsenyuk resigning

    Yatsenyuk made the announcement from the dais of the parliament after two parties said they would pull out of the governing coalition. "I am announcing my resignation in connect with the collapse of the coalition," Yatsenyuk said.
    HUGE DEVELOPMENT!!!!!!!!
    Yeah well, how obvious does it need to get ?

    I saw senator McCain on Dutch television yesterday. They started with an intro what a
    hero he was because he also experienced being shot down in Vietnam.

    Then they asked him how Europe should impose more sanctions on Russia while they
    are so dependent on energy import from them ...

    "Ohh not to worry" he replied "I understand but in 2 .. 3 years the US will be able to supply
    the required energy to Europe ..." Seriously ?

    Just a cheeky attempt to get Europe back on the petro dollar away from the BRICS ?

    Man what a circus ...

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    You have let the Empire down !! You have strengthened the Rebel Cause with your incompetence !!





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    You have let the Empire down !! You have strengthened the Rebel Cause with your incompetence !!


    Yeah, and they've been beating the hell out of each other on the floor of the Ukraine Parliament too the last few days, like a free for all, punching each other in the face etc etc... and now this....on top of MH17 and Russia's strong stance etc. The west seems to be losing momentum in Ukraine right now.

    Some are getting out of dodge now that the fool proof plan seems to have come unglued at the seams.....

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    If Putin is the demon the west describes him as, now would be the time for him too "bust a move"....
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Any chance those two downed Ukrainian fighter jets might have been the same two that shadowed MH17?

    Not, of course, that anyone would want to destroy any evidence of recent air-to-air missile firing.... would they?

    Gad. What a zoo.

    Cheers,

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    This has become an interesting thread in an unexpected way.

    Zalmoxe, thanks for the effort and rational approach. I feel You have said what could be said on the subject at this point, and it's now out for all to see.

    GoodeTXSG, also thanks for the effort.

    Maybe now we should all just wait for new info.

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