Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

[KiwiElf]

Ahah... looking at the shape & thickness of those cross sections, then upper surface of wing I would say it is - an "earthing" connection point, usually done when refueling. It's possible the cockpit was severely damaged in the first part of the attack, plane skews off course but still "flying", subsequent attack(s) exploded it and it effectively "fell" out of the sky.

Is it plausible for ground-to-air AND air-to-air PLUS internal bomb? (In which case, it was no "accidental" shooting down)

[bogeyman]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=b67OGUsQC44

[KiwiElf]

As a side note, I can't help but feel this is a diversionary event; blaming Russia, blaming Ukraine, diverting attention from Israel/Gaza is a given. What if it's "something else"?. "Something" in the Ukraine that the Cabal desperately want to get their hands on? I'll leave you with that thought... it's zzzzz time here and I really need to get some sleep!

[Leon]

As you said learn from History, in this case Putin is being set up as they did with Adolf before WW2, Germany had no intention of war till later... as with all wars...

[Operator]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Ahah... looking at the shape & thickness of those cross sections, then upper surface of wing I would say it is - an "earthing" connection point, usually done when refueling. It's possible the cockpit was severely damaged in the first part of the attack, plane skews off course but still "flying", subsequent attack(s) exploded it and it effectively "fell" out of the sky.

Is it plausible for ground-to-air AND air-to-air PLUS internal bomb? (In which case, it was no "accidental" shooting down)

Well I think it is very well likely that there is a multi faceted scenario at play here.
To begin with, you need a patsy when performing a false flag op. It crossed my
mind that the Su-25 jets may have been scrambled to investigate that plane under
false pretenses. This way they are suspect even without firing a missile.
Anyway, you'll get the gist from this example ...

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
As a side note, I can't help but feel this is a diversionary event; blaming Russia, blaming Ukraine, diverting attention from Israel/Gaza is a given. What if it's "something else"?. "Something" in the Ukraine that the Cabal desperately want to get their hands on? I'll leave you with that thought... it's zzzzz time here and I really need to get some sleep!

Yeah, seems like it ... I already referred to the results of the parliamentary investigation of the 1992
Bijlmerramp where they concluded that El Al (= ties to Mossad etc.) had more or less a small 'Kingdom'
on Schiphol. What if (likely) that situation didn't change at all despite the findings?

[ExomatrixTV]

~HELP THIS VIDEO TO GO VIRAL FAST!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=s9Z50GU3dj0

(thanks!)

[Zampano]

Maybe the same old plot...Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia, Syria...ressource based war.

Maybe the ressources from the Arctic which holds about 15 % of the worlds undiscovered oil and arround 30 % gas.
And Russia owns the majority of it...nearly 22%
Also, at then end of last year Russia started to build up some military force in the Arctic region.

Start a smear campaign against the country, telling lies, paying so called rebels and mercenaries, a little false flag incident and watch the plan unfolding.
Just an idea and maybe the bigger picture.

[Hervé]

Pretty good summary of the situation's history and current state:

Flight MH17 - What You're Not Being Told

27.Jul.2014 | SCG Follow @SCGupdates Tweet to SCGupdates


Who was REALLY responsible for the downing of flight MH-17? Let's take a look at the facts.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=b67OGUsQC44

NOTE: There is one error in this video which has been mentioned in the video annotations and at the bottom of the page.

[transcript of video below]


On July 17th, 2014 two major events took place: Malaysian flight MH17 was downed over eastern Ukraine, presumably by a missile, and Israel began a ground invasion of Gaza. Israel's invasion was granted an almost complete media blackout. The MH17 tragedy, however, got full coverage, and was immediately propagandized. (This in spite of the fact that far more civilians have been killed by Israel's bombardment of Gaza over the past few weeks.)

The U.S. government and the western media pinned the responsibility for the MH17 tragedy on Russia within minutes, long before investigators had time to even arrive at the scene, much less provide any actual conclusions. Then came an all out information war, with lies, omissions and disinformation coming from all sides.

The geopolitical implications of this event should not be underestimated. If this was ever in doubt, the fact that Obama just sent military advisers to Ukraine to help Kiev in its assault against the east should make it very clear. Depending on how much mileage Washington can get out of it, the downing of flight MH17 could end up being extremely pivotal.

Anyone who knows their history, knows that media coverage of events like these often lay the psychological groundwork for war. Consider the sinking of the Lusitania for example on 5/7/1915 (or the murder archduke Ferdinand in 1914). These combined with the Zimmermann Telegram (which was dispatched on 1/16/1917) pushed US public opinion over the tipping point, and on 4/6/1917 the United States declared war on Germany.

It is worth noting that though the U.S. denied it at the time, later diving expeditions revealed that the Lusitania was indeed smuggling war munitions at the time that was sunk (as Germany had asserted from the beginning). Of course, by the time the truth was known it was far too late for the 116,000 Americans who were killed in that conflict.

So who was REALLY responsible for the downing of flight MH17?
First let's start by asking some obvious questions.

Why was flight MH17 routed over directly over a war zone? This was not a normal flight path. In fact it was 300 miles off course. Normally planes this flight path keep significantly farther south, and the decision to allow MH17 to fly over Donetsk was ultimately the decision of the the authorities in Kiev.

Now, Kiev initially claimed that they were acting under the assumption that this route was safe as long as the flight stayed above 32,000 feet, which is out of range for man-pad surface to air missiles. But that statement was later contradicted by Ukraine officials who said they knew three days before the downing of MH17 that that the separatists had the Buk missile system, which is capable of hitting aircraft at much higher altitudes. So either the Ukrainian government is lying about the separatists having the missiles, or they routed flight MH17 300 miles off course, KNOWING that it could be easily shot down.

Now to fully understand the implications of this decision, we have to look at what's really been going on in Ukraine lately. The mainstream media hasn't been talking about this very much, but for the past month and a half the Ukrainian military has been using heavy artillery and airstrikes against entire towns in east Ukraine. This shelling has been indiscriminate with many of the munitions striking in residential areas. The civilian death toll for this bombardment was estimated at over 257 people one month ago, and the attacks intensified shortly after. Even Human Rights Watch has finally come out to condemn the Ukrainian military's bombardment of civilians.
For a glimpse of what this assault looked like on the ground watch the video below (Warning: extremely brutal footage):

https://youtube.com/watch?feature...lVavDFnn-o#t=0

Washington was silent. European officials were silent. And the U.N. was also silent.
The separatists in turn retreated from Slavyansk, regrouped and over the past few weeks they have shot down several Ukrainian military aircraft, effectively stalling the the advance towards Donetsk. But the shelling hasn't stopped.

In that context, Kiev's decision to route a civilian airliner 300 miles north of its normal flight path, putting it directly over an active war zone, a war zone where they themselves were the primary aggressor, wasn't just stupid, it was criminal.

And let's remember how east Ukraine became a war zone in the first place. Did east Ukrainians invade west Ukraine or bomb them? No, the east Ukrainians held referendum to declare their dependence, they had a massive voter turn out (much higher in fact than the official elections that Washington endorsed) and the self appointed government in Kiev responded by attempting to bomb them into submission. And again, the so called "international community" just stood by and watched.

And this wasn't the first time.

Remember we had the Odessa massacre where Ukrainian police stood by and did nothing as Neo-Nazis burned over 40 anti-Kiev protesters alive. Among those killed was a pregnant woman who appeared to be strangled or beaten to death. The Ukrainian government totally covered up these crimes and blamed the tragedy on the anti-Kiev protesters. Apparently these people burned themselves alive. Watch "The Odessa Massacre What You're Not Being Told" for more details on this (below).

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=H4dJRnI-X8Q

But let's not stop there, let's take this all the way back to the beginning. We have the evidence that it wasn't Yanukovich that used snipers on the protesters in February, the real killers came from within the Maidan coalition.

The short version of the leaked phone call between EU foreign policy chief Cathy Ashton and Estonia's foreign minister Urmas Paet:

https://soundcloud.com/scg-media/est...ign-minister-1

Urmas Paet: "All the evidence shows that the people who were killed by snipers from both sides, among police men and people in the street, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides."

Cathy Ashton: "Well that's, yeah..."

Urmas Paet: "And she also showed me some photos and she said that has medical doctor, she can say that it is the same handwriting..."

Cathy Ashton: "Yeah..."

Urmas Paet: "Same type of bullets... and it's really disturbing that now the new coalition, that they don't want to investigate what exactly happened. So that there is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovich, but it was somebody from the new coalition."

(Note: Urmas Paet is not a native English speaker, so his wording is a bit odd at points. This transcript doesn't correct his errors. )

The long version: https://soundcloud.com/scg-media/est...reign-minister

There actually was an investigation, but the mainstream media was very quiet about the results. Why? Because the Ukrainian M.P. that led the investigation, Grennady Moskal, a man with a long history of criticizing the Berkut police, announced that he found no evidence that the Berkut police were responsible. The investigation also found that the bullets used in the killings did not fit the weapons used by the Berkut police.

For the full evidence of U.S. involvement in the toppling of the Ukrainian government watch "The Ukraine Crisis - What You're Not Being Told" (below).

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fWkfpGCAAuw

Why is this background information important? Because it demonstrates just how far Washington's puppets in Kiev are willing to go for the sake of power, and that allows to start asking some harder questions.

Questions such as: was this just a case of gross incompetence on Kiev's part, or was it something else?

It's pretty obvious who benefits from this tragedy (it's certainly clear who is attempting to make use of it), and we know Kiev has a history of killing civilians and blaming it on others, but would they really take it this far?

For a lot of people these kinds of questions are simply off limits. They just aren't prepared to let their mind go down that path, especially considering the fact that the U.S. government is in bed with these guys.

So let's tread carefully and just ask a few more questions that these so called journalists in the mainstream media are neglecting to ask. For example: Why hasn't the U.S. government released its satellite pictures of the area right after the event?
Right after Russia challenged the U.S. government to produce the satellite imagery to back up their accusations, this is what Washington released to CNN:

This isn't a recent map at all, in fact the map itself has a date written right on it: 2010. This is just an outdated screen shot from google maps with an amateurish drawing layered on top.

Why don't they want to show us the real images?

Russia, on the other hand, has released satellite images. These first two images (see below) are dated July 14, and according to Russia they show Buk missile launch systems located about 8 kilometers northwest of the city of Lugansk (an area under the control of the Ukrainian military).

The next two images were taken on July 17th. The first one shows that the Ukrainian military's Buk systems are no longer in their previous position, and the last image shows them in a new position 5 kilometers north of Donetsk.

Washington has not responded to this information, and interestingly has lowered it's tone since.

On July 21 Russia also released a radar image showing what they claimed to be an SU-27 fighter jet in close proximity to flight MH17. Ukraine had previously denied that there were any military aircraft near MH17, but they then reversed their story and said that the SU-27 was "escorting" the flight.

UPDATE: The following video (which was later taken down by the BBC) shows that eye witnesses on the scene saw military aircraft approaching flight MH17 right before the crash (make sure you turn on the English subtitles):

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zUvK5m2vxro

Eastern Ukraine has been watched like a hawk for months now. We've seen the U.S. government hyping their satellite images every time there is a change of Russian troop concentrations anywhere near the border. You're telling me that now, when it really counts, the worlds most sophisticated spy machine can't provide us with satellite pictures of a massive missile battery as it was positioned right after the downing of an aircraft? You're telling me they can't provide snapshots of the area following the missile battery as it was moved to its current location? You're telling me that they don't know where this missile battery is right now? Or that they actually do have these images, but they're just refraining from spreading this juicy tidbit all over the mainstream media like they usually do as soon as they have something that helps their case?

That stretches credulity.

Interestingly, investigative journalist Robert Parry, who is best known for his work exposing the Iran Contra scandal in the 1980s, for NewsWeek and the Associated Press, has published an article stating that one of his trusted sources has informed him that "U.S. intelligence agencies do have detailed satellite images of the likely missile battery that launched the fateful missile, but the battery appears to have been under the control of Ukrainian government troops dressed in what look like Ukrainian uniforms."

Does this mean that we should just take Robert Parry and his source at their word? No, of course not. But by the same token, why is the western media taking the U.S. government's word at face value without demanding evidence? Washington is a den of pathological liars. Their word is less than worthless, and it certainly doesn't count as proof. Robert Parry's account on the other hand is validated by the satellite images released by Russia, and like it or not, this is the strongest evidence that has been released so far.

If Washington actually had evidence to support their case, don't you think they would have released it by now?

IMPORTANT UPDATE: On July 27th, the U.S. government played a very sneaky move, but this move actually damages their case even more. They released grainy satellite images of what they claim is proof of Russia using ARTILLERY against Ukraine. Why do I say that this is sneaky? Because the way it is timed many people will not read carefully and will instantly think that this is imagery of the missiles that they claim shot down flight MH17, and that's simply not the case. Artillery can't hit an airplane. It can't even come close. Now how does this damage their case? Well, it shows that they are specifically avoiding pulling the images related to the missile launchers.

No one is even talking about artillery attacks. This isn't the scandal of the decade like the MH17 debacle may end up being if it turns out Washington's puppets in Kiev brought down a civilian airliner on purpose. So this release is clearly a smoke screen.
But what about the audio evidence that the Ukrainian government uploaded in the form of a youtube video which supposedly proves that the rebels admitted to shooting down the plane in a phone conversation?

Is that recording genuine? Or did someone just splice it together? Who is this Oleksiy character anyway? Can anyone actually this voice to a real person? So far no one has (and this is kind of important given the circumstances).

Oh right, we know it's real because the Ukrainian government told us it was real.
Let's put this into context. Remember this is the same Ukrainian government that arrested two Russian journalists in May after those journalist released footage of U.N. helicopters being used by the Ukrainian military in the assault against the east.

https://youtube.com/watch?feature...OmLlvRxWM0#t=0

The Ukrainian government claimed that the journalists were transporting rocket launchers, and even video taped the men bound and gagged next to a set of rocket launchers (see video below). The U.S. government went along with the story.

https://youtube.com/watch?feature...A34D9AVN30#t=0

But then after there was a major uproar, and Human Rights Watch came out to condemn their arrest, the journalists were suddenly released without any comment or explanation.

Why is the relevant? Because the current government in Kiev has a history of fabricating and manipulating evidence when it's politically expedient. The veracity of the audio should be determined by an independent investigation, by multiple audio experts, in multiple countries.

Now if the implications of what I'm presenting here sound crazy to you, then you might want to look up Operation Northwoods. Operation Northwoods was a series of proposals written by Department of Defense back in the 60s, which directly advocated committing acts of terrorism within the United States, and even proposed shooting down a civilian airliner in order to blame it on Cuba, and this would be used to justify a war. These documents were declassified in 1997, and there are thousands of copies available for download on the internet (for example this one from George Washington University). Don't take my word for it, go read it.

You might be thinking, if any of this is true, why on earth would the U.S. government go out of their way to target Russia like this? This is really extreme. Might it have something to do with the fact that just this month the Brics nations met and put together an international development bank specifically designed to rival the World Bank and the IMF? Could it be because Russia is now openly pushing for the de-dollarization of international trade? Russia poses a threat to the dollar. That's all the motive the U.S. government has ever needed.

But what if we are given incontrovertible proof that the rebels mistook flight MH17 for a military aircraft and shot it down? What should happen then?

Well ask yourself this: what would be done if this mistake had been made by the U.S. military and the airliner had been Iranian? Oh wait, that actually happened. On July 3, 1988 the U.S.S. Vincennes shot down Iran Air Flight 655 killing 290 people.

And then there was the TWA flight 800 tragedy which occurred exactly 18 years before the MH17 tragedy, on the very same day. On July 17, 1996 TWA flight 800 was downed over Long Island. The U.S. government claimed that the explosion was the result of an internal malfunction, but numerous eye witnesses reported that they saw a missile being fired from the ground, and even the New York Times referred to the evidence of a coverup as "formidable". The U.S. government never admitted that they were responsible.

But that's really a bad example isn't it?

Here's a better example: what if Ukraine had shot down a Russian airliner. Oh wait that actually did happen... in October of 2001. The Ukrainian government initially lied about it, but they finally came clean (which is more than we can say for the U.S. government).

We'll conclude here with what may seem to be a non-sequitur: a speech given by IMF chief Christine Lagarde on January 15, 2014 1:00 PM This was one month before the U.S. government helped topple the Ukrainian government, leading to the crisis which then resulted in Russia's expulsion from the g8. The IMF then swooped in and saddled Ukraine with a set of their signature predatory loans.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x22..._news&start=12

P.S. You're going to have to review this information several times to fully understand it. Also note that we did not include some of the more bizarre evidence (conspiracy fodder) in this case. We plan to address those issues in a later article.


CORRECTION: The audio in the video states that the TWA Flight 800 was Iranian. This is incorrect. I was mixing this up with the U.S.S. Vincennes incident which I also intended to mention. The written transcript shows the correct text. Both incidents should actually be listed here as they both illustrate the same principle. The dates, likelihood that TWA 800 was shot down, and the evidence of a coverup stands.

We're leaving the video up with an annotation on the error because this detail had no real importance for the MH17 case.

[Gardener]

bump

If Washington actually had evidence to support their case, don't you think they would have released it by now?

Occam's Razor?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

[sheme]

Ukraine today your street or mine next -very disturbing.

[Snoweagle]

This is the link to the FULL transcript:
http://scgnews.com/flight-mh17-what-...not-being-told

Here's another in the same vain:
http://nodisinfo.com/strewn-fake-wre...17-crash-hoax/

As from today You Tube and associates have prevented me from viewing any videos which refer to Zionist activities in Ukraine or Gaza. Will now have to depend on transcripts for releases and word of mouth. Just like the old days.

[Hervé]

Circus barkers on full time employment... who's the circus owner?

Kiev says rocket blast downed MH17, Dutch probe says info ‘premature’

Published time: July 28, 2014 12:42
Edited time: July 28, 2014 19:13
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Flight recorders of B-777 airliner that has crashed in Ukraine being transferred to Malaysian experts (RIA Novosti / Mikhail Voskresenskiy)

Ukraine says analysis of the black box flight recorders from the downed Malaysia Airlines plane shows it was destroyed by shrapnel from a rocket blast. Dutch investigators, however, say they have not shared data with Kiev, calling the claim “premature.”

The Ukrainian Security Council on Monday said that passenger flight MH17 crashed in eastern Ukraine due to “massive explosive decompression.”

The spokesman for the Council, Andrey Lysenko, told a news conference in Kiev the information came from experts analyzing the recorders from the plane that came down in territory held by anti-government forces in eastern Ukraine on July 17, killing all 298 passengers on board.

However, the Dutch Safety Board (DSB), which is heading the investigation into the crash, was puzzled by statements coming from Kiev. According to DSB spokeswoman Sara Vernooij, the “premature” release of details of MH17 black boxes is “not in the best interest of the investigation.”

Speaking to The Independent, Vernooij refused to confirm the claims or comment on the nature of the source used by Lysenko, saying that the board was not going to release anything until the crashed plane’s black boxes are analyzed in full.

“We want to analyze [and] combine information of several sources before we bring out anything, so we can give a coherent view on the whole investigation. Bringing out fragmented pieces of information is not on behalf of the investigation,” Vernooij was quoted as saying.

The DSB is expected to release its initial findings on the MH17 crash on August 1.

Heavy fighting in E. Ukraine prevents experts from visiting MH17 crash site

Britain was earlier tasked with downloading the data from two black boxes recovered from the crash site and handing that information over to international investigators for analysis.

The Ukrainian Security Service’s statement on the data retrieved from the black boxes of the downed Malaysia Airlines plane is “unacceptable,” as it contradicts the rules of the International Civil Aviation Association (ICAO), Russia's Federal Air Transport Agency (Rosaviatsiya) said.

According to Rosaviatsiya’s deputy head, Oleg Storchevoy, “the Ukrainian side has violated the underlying principles of cooperation in investigating air accidents.”

Such comments are unacceptable, as they “discourage a calm, unbiased and professional investigation into the causes of the accident,” Storchevoy added.

A photo taken on July 23, 2014 shows the crash site of the downed Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, in a field near the village of Grabove, in the Donetsk region. (AFP Photo / Bulent Kilic)

Meanwhile, international monitors have failed to reach the crash site of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 for the second day in a row, due to clashes in the vicinity, Reuters reports citing militia leader Vladimir Antyufeyev.

The OSCE tweeted that its experts traveling with Australian and Dutch ones were forced to return to the provincial capital of Donetsk for "security reasons."

Due to security reasons SMM was unable to reach #MH17 crash site today along w/Australian and Dutch experts. Convoy has returned to Donetsk
— СММ ОБСЄ в Україні (@OSCE_SMM) July 28, 2014

The group of police officers and international aviation experts went to the suburbs of the town of Torez on Monday to work on trying to find out what caused the Boeing 777 to crash, according to a member of the OSCE, RIA Novosti reports. There were a number of Australian and Dutch experts within the group, as well as Dutch police. The convoy had to alter their route as fighting was continuing in the town of Shakhtersk. The delegation was unable to reach the crash site on Sunday, for the exact same reason.

The mandate of the police team is to secure the area, currently controlled by anti-government forces, so that comprehensive investigations can begin and any remaining bodies can be recovered.

Kiev and anti-government forces are blaming each other for hampering the investigation.

Ukraine has accused the local militia of tampering with evidence and trying to cover up their alleged role in bringing MH17 down with an anti-aircraft missile.

Meanwhile, militia forces claim that Kiev is not interested in a fair and unbiased investigation into the downing of the Malaysian plane over Ukraine, so it is sabotaging the work of international experts.

Kiev sabotaging probe into downed Malaysian plane – self-defense leader

The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights said in a report out Monday that at least 1,129 people have been killed from mid-April, when fighting began, and July 26. The report said at least 3,442 people had been wounded and more than 100,000 had left their homes. A UN report from mid-June put the death toll at 356.

A Malaysian air crash investigator inspects the crash site of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17, near the village of Hrabove (Grabovo), Donetsk region July 22, 2014. (Reuters/Maxim Zmeyev)

Ukraine civil war death toll 1,100, over 3,500 wounded - UN

Anti-government forces accuse Kiev of deploying artillery against residential areas. Authorities deny that charge, saying the militia forces are firing at residential areas themselves “to recruit more fighters to their cause, and to discredit the Ukrainian government.”

Dozens, including 2 children, die as Kiev troops shell Gorlovka in E.Ukraine (VIDEO)

The UN said heavy damage to electrical, water and sewage plants and estimated the costs of rebuilding at $750 million — money the government would have to find by cutting social programs.

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Anti-government forces accuse Kiev of deploying artillery against residential areas. Authorities deny that charge, saying the militia forces are firing at residential areas themselves “to recruit more fighters to their cause, and to discredit the Ukrainian government.”

Waow... takes one to accuse others of same (see Odessa massacre).

[Cidersomerset]

This with the Middle East and disputes in Asia could start a major conflict if
we are not careful if the 'Hawks on all sides' get there way. We should
note President Putin and other leaders around the world are aware of
this and it looks like the old game of brinkmanship is being played out
again......


I was curious why the EEC and US were so involved and there are a few
genuine reasons which give them a legitimate excuse to interfere.....

It goes back to the various political disagreements and the fact the
west of the Ukraine is pro EEC/NATO and the East is pro Russian. Highlighted
in recent Agent provocateurs events in Amzers post above.....


It would also give Kiev a very big incentive to frame pro Russian rebels.

As these crisis grow with changing circumstances, throw in President Putins
BRICS agreement, that will compete with the wests dollar economy, and
the massive gas deal with china and accords with Iran and Syria.The
strategic picture is not so good,


DOLLAR COLLAPSE: Russia and China to Kill the Dollar with Landmark Energy Deal

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=F5Anr6fIgqI

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Chinese leader calls for new Asia security structure with Iran, Russia

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sUO6D63uhoM

Published on 21 May 2014


The Chinese leader has called for the creation of a new Asian security structure with the
participation of Iran and Russia.

President Shi Jinping, who was speaking at an Asian regional security forum in Shanghai,
said the regional countries need to innovate their security cooperation and establish a new
security cooperation architecture there. He added that the Conference on Interaction and
Confidence-building measures in Asia should also create a security response center to deal
with emergencies. The Chinese president also issued a veiled warning to the U-S against
building up a military alliance in Asia. He said that beefing up an entrenched or military
alliance aimed at a third party does not help common security. His comments come amid
China's tensions with the US over Beijing's territorial disputes with Japan, the Philippines
and Vietnam.



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Also.....


The forgotten treaty which could drag the US and UK into WAR with Russia if Putin's..

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rvOYbFEQdms

Published on 28 Feb 2014


The forgotten treaty which could drag the US and UK into WAR with Russia if Putin's troops
intervene in Ukraine

A treaty signed in 1994 by the US and Britain could pull both countries into a war to protect
Ukraine if President Putin's troops cross into the country.
Bill Clinton, John Major, Boris Yeltsin and Leonid Kuchma -- the then-rulers of the USA, UK,
Russia and Ukraine - agreed to the The Budapest Memorandum as part of the denuclearization
of former Soviet republics after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
Technically it means that if Russia has invaded Ukraine then it would be difficult for the US and
Britain to avoid going to war.
The revelation comes as reports suggest the Kremlin was moving up to 2,000 troops across the
Black Sea from Novorossiysk to their fleet base at Sevastopol.
At least 20 men wearing the uniform of the Russian fleet and carrying automatic rifles surrounded
a Ukrainian border guard post in a standoff near the port yesterday.


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Revealed: The forgotten treaty which could drag the US and UK into WAR with Russia if Putin's
troops intervene in Ukraine

The agreement sees signatories promise to protect Ukraine's borders

It was signed by Bill Clinton, John Major, Boris Yeltsin and Leonid Kuchma in 1994
Ukrainian parliament has now reached out directly to all the countries who signed the treaty


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz38npJqhq3
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Ukraine–European Union relations

Relations between Ukraine and the European Union (EU) are currently shaped through the European
Neighbourhood Policy (ENP), a foreign policy instrument of the EU designed for the countries it borders.
The EU is seeking an increasingly close relationship with Ukraine, going beyond co-operation, to gradual
economic integration and deepening of political co-operation.[1] Ukraine is said to be a priority partner
within the ENP.[1]

In 2012, the EU initialled deals on free trade and political association with Ukraine; however, EU leaders
stated that these agreements would not be ratified unless Ukraine addresses concerns over a "stark
deterioration of democracy and the rule of law", including the imprisonment of Yulia Tymoshenko and
Yuriy Lutsenko in 2011 and 2012.[2][3][4][nb 1] Deadlines where set for Ukraine to carry out the
required changes to its justice and electoral systems in order to enable the formal signing of their
agreements with the EU in Vilnius on 29 November 2013.[8] But although the then Ukrainian President
Viktor Yanukovych had urged the Ukrainian parliament to adopt laws so that Ukraine could meet the
EU's criteria,[9][10][nb 2] the Ukrainian government suspended preparations for signing the association
agreement on 21 November 2013.[6][12] Yanukovych still attended the aforementioned EU summit in
Vilnius on 28–29 November 2013 where the association agreement was originally planned to be signed
but it was not.[9][13] The decision to put off signing the association agreement led to large, widespread
protests in Ukraine.[14] These led to the removal of Yanukovych and his government by parliament after
the 2014 Ukrainian revolution in February 2014.[6][15] Since then Ukraine is in turmoil because of the
2014 Crimean crisis and the 2014 pro-Russian conflict in Ukraine.[1][6]

The political part of the Association Agreement was signed on 21 March 2014 by the new Prime Minister,
Arseniy Yatsenyuk.[1] Meanwhile the EU has attempted to stabilise Ukraine by freezing assets of Russians
and Ukrainians and by granting financial help to Ukraine.[1][6][16] The economic part of the
Ukraine–European Union Association Agreement on 27 June 2014 by the new President, Petro Poroshenko.[17]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine...nion_relations



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Back in 2008 the Ukraine applied to join NATO , then in 2010 as the political
situation changed , it was put on hold.


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Ukraine[edit]

Main article: Ukraine–NATO relations

Ukraine's present and future relationship with NATO has been politically divisive, and is part of a larger
debate between Ukraine's political and cultural ties to both Europe and Russia. It established ties to the
alliance with a NATO-Ukraine Action Plan on 22 November 2002,[28][26] and became the first CIS
country to join NATO's Partnership for Peace initiative in February 2005.[131] Then in April 2005, Ukraine
entered into the Intensified Dialogue programme with NATO.[16]

In March 2008, under Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko and Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko,
Ukraine sent an official letter of application a Membership Action Plan (MAP), the first step in joining
NATO. These leaders however guaranteed their opposition that membership in any military alliance
would not pass without public approval in a referendum.[132] This idea of had gained support from
a number of NATO leaders, particularly those in Central and Eastern Europe.[133] Russian leaders
like Prime Minister and President-Elect Dmitri Medvedev made clear their opposition to Ukraine
membership, and leading up to the April 2008 Bucharest summit their emissary actively lobbied
against a Ukrainian MAP. After some debate among members at the summit, NATO Secretary
General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer declared in a press conference that Ukraine, together with Georgia,
would someday join NATO, but neither would begin Membership Action Plans.[134] At this summit,
Russian President Vladimir Putin, in his last international speech before switching jobs with Medvedev,
listed his grievances with NATO, and called Ukrainian membership "a direct threat" to his country.[135]




Anti-NATO signs in Feodosiya in 2006
According to numerous independent polls conducted since 2002, Ukrainian public opinion on NATO
membership is split, with the majority of those polled generally against joining the military alliance
and many identifying it as a threat.[136][137] According to the FOM-Ukraine pollster, as of April
2009, 57% of Ukrainians polled were against joining the alliance, while 21% were in favor.[138] A
Gallup poll conducted in October 2008 showed that 45% associated NATO as a threat to their country,
while only 15% associated it with protection.[139] And a Pew Research Center poll in March 2010
further showed the opposition was particularly high, at 74%, among ethnic Russians.[140] Protests,
such as the 2006 anti-NATO protests in Feodosiya, have taken place by opposition blocs against the
idea, and petitions signed urging the end of relations with NATO. Influential Ukrainian politicians like
Yuriy Yekhanurov and Yulia Tymoshenko have stated Ukraine will not join NATO as long as the public
opposed the move.

The 2010 election returned Viktor Yanukovych as Ukrainian President and marked a turnaround in
Ukraine's relations with NATO. In February 2010, he stated that Ukraine's relations with NATO were
currently "well-defined", and that there was "no question of Ukraine joining NATO". He said the issue
of Ukrainian membership of NATO might "emerge at some point, but we will not see it in the immediate
future."[141] While visiting Brussels in March 2010, he further stated that there would be no change
to Ukraine's status as a member of the alliance's outreach program.[142] He later reiterated during a
trip to Moscow that Ukraine would remain a "European, non-aligned state."[143][144] Then, on 3 June
2010 the Ukrainian parliament voted to exclude the goal of "integration into Euro-Atlantic security and
NATO membership" from the country's national security strategy in a bill drafted by Yanukovych himself.
[145] The bill forbids Ukraine's membership of any military bloc, but allows for co-operation with alliances
such as NATO.[146]

Following months of "Euromaidan" street protests that began because of his refusal to sign an Association
Agreement with the European Union in favor of deals from Russia, President Yanukovych fled Kiev in
February 2014, ultimately to Russia, and parliament voted to remove him from his post. This brought
another possible change in direction of Ukraine's association with Europe and by extension NATO, and
protests in ethnically Russian areas led to Russia's annexation of Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula in March.
As part of an effort to assuage concerned groups, newly installed Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk
addressed the topic in a Russian language speech on 18 March 2014, emphasizing that Ukraine is not
seeking NATO membership.[147] U.S. President Barack Obama echoed this position the following week,
while however calling for greater NATO presence in Eastern Europe.[148] Professor Edward W. Walker
of UC Berkeley's Program in Eurasian and East European Studies proposed a trilateral treaty between the
US, Russia, and Ukraine that would permanently cement Ukraine's neutrality.[149] However, NATO head
Anders Fogh Rasmussen stated that NATO membership is still an option for Ukraine,[150] and subsequent
polling showed a sharp decline in opposition to membership.[151]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlarge...f_NATO#Ukraine

[Cidersomerset]

Ukraine says analysis of the black box flight recorders from the downed Malaysia Airlines plane shows it was destroyed by shrapnel from a rocket blast. Dutch investigators, however, say they have not shared data with Kiev, calling the claim “premature.”

There is no way the UK/US are going to blame Kiev for blowing up the plane,
which I have stated earlier. After refreshing my memory with the above post,
I'm more convinced the black box will be broken or more likely 'inconclusive'
as the Kiev report says.......


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Russian foreign minister says "I hope nobody will try to cover their tracks"...



Lavrov: Time to investigate MH17, not to cover tracks

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=u_usryQ7pUg

Published on 28 Jul 2014


Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has urged Western partners against
jumping to conclusions over what caused the MH17 crash before an international
investigation into the catastrophe is conducted. MORE QUOTES: http://on.rt.com/liin8m


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BBC report confirming the story a couple of posts up.....




28 July 2014 Last updated at 21:47

MH17 jet 'downed by missile shrapnel,' says UkraineMembers of the Dutch and
Australian forensic investigation teams in Donetsk, Ukraine on 28 July 2014.
Fighting in the vicinity of the MH17 wreckage prevented international investigators from accessing the site

Security officials in Ukraine say the downed Malaysia Airlines jet in eastern Ukraine
suffered an explosive loss of pressure after it was punctured by shrapnel from a
missile.

They say the information came from the plane's flight data recorders, which are
being analysed by British experts.

However, it remains unclear who fired a missile, with pro-Russia rebels and Ukraine blaming each other.

Many of the 298 people killed on board flight MH17 were from the Netherlands.

Dutch investigators leading the inquiry into the crash have refused to comment on
the Ukrainian claims.

read more....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28532525

[onawah]

Flight MH17: What You're Not Being Told
From Forbidden Knowledge

Within minutes of the crash of
MH17, the U.S. government and
the Western media pinned the
responsibility Russia, long before
investigators had time to even
arrive at the scene, much less
provide any actual conclusions.

The geopolitical implications of
this event are immense. Depending
on how much mileage Washington
can get out of it, the downing of
flight MH17 could end up being
pivotal.

Anyone who knows their history,
knows that media coverage of events
like these often lay the psychological
groundwork for war.

So who was REALLY responsible for
the downing of flight MH17? First let's
start by asking some obvious
questions.

Why was flight MH17 routed over
directly over a War Zone? This was
not its normal flight path. In fact, it
was 300 miles off course. Normally,
planes this flight path is significantly
further south. The decision to allow
MH17 to fly over Donetsk was the
decision of the authorities in Kiev.

To fully understand the implications
of this decision, we have to realize
that for the past month and a half,
Eastern Ukraine has been an Active
War Zone.

In THIS context, Kiev's decision to
route a civilian airliner 300 miles north
of its normal flight path, putting it
directly over an Active War Zone - a
War Zone where they, themselves
were the primary aggressor, wasn't
just stupid - it was CRIMINAL.

Remember, the guys in Kiev are the
US-EU puppets, installed last Spring.

Eastern Ukraine became a War Zone
because they held referendum to
declare their independence from the
Western-installed government in Kiev.
They had a massive voter turn-out
(much higher, in fact than the official
elections that Washington endorsed).

Kiev responded by attempting to bomb
them into submission. The so called
"international community" has just
stood by and watched.

So let's tread carefully and just ask a
few more questions that these so-called
journalists in the mainstream media are
neglecting to ask. For example: Why
hasn't the US government released its
satellite pictures of the area right after
the event?

Russia has released many satellite
images. These first two images (seen in
the video, above) are dated July 14, and
according to Russia they show Buk missile
launch systems located about 8 kilometers
northwest of the city of Lugansk (an area
under the control of the Western-backed
Ukrainian military).

The next two images were taken on
July 17th. The first one shows that the
Ukrainian military's Buk systems are no
longer in their previous position, and the
last image shows them in a new position
5 kilometers north of Donetsk.

Washington has not responded to this
information, and interestingly has
lowered its tone since.

On July 21 Russia also released a radar
image showing what they claimed to be an
SU-27 fighter jet in close proximity to
flight MH17. Ukraine had previously
denied that there were any military
aircraft near MH17, but they then
reversed their story and said that the
SU-27 was "escorting" the flight.

Investigative journalist Robert Parry, who's
best known for his work exposing the Iran
Contra scandal in the 1980s has published
an article stating that one of his trusted
sources has informed him that "US
intelligence agencies do have detailed
satellite images of the likely missile battery
that launched the fateful missile, but the
battery appears to have been under the
control of Ukrainian government troops
dressed in what look like Ukrainian
uniforms."

Does this mean that we should just take
Robert Parry and his source at their word?
No, of course not.

But by the same token, why is the
Western media taking the US
government's word at face value
without demanding evidence?


Washington is a den of pathological liars.
Their word is less than worthless, and it
certainly doesn't count as proof. Robert
Parry's account, on the other hand is
validated by the satellite images released
by Russia, and like it or not, this is the
strongest evidence that has been released
so far.

If Washington actually had evidence
to support their case, don't you think
they would have released it by now?

You might be thinking, "If any of this is true,
why on Earth would the US go out of their
way to target Russia like this? This is really
extreme." Might it have something to do with
the fact that just this month, the BRICS
nations met and put together an international
development bank specifically designed to
rival the World Bank and the IMF? Could it
be because Russia is now openly pushing for
the de-dollarization of international trade?

Russia poses a threat to the dollar. That's all
the motive the US government has ever
needed.

Video (just over 14 minutes):

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=b67OGUsQC44

http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/page/26572.html

[Cidersomerset]

GRAPHIC: Five killed after home for elderly shelled in Lugansk, E.Ukraine

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Apbv6VzssY0

Published on 29 Jul 2014


A home for the elderly in Lugansk was targeted in a shelling attack on Monday,
leaving at least five people dead. The facility is located in the Artemovksy
District of South-Western Lugansk.

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Media frenzy after US releases 'evidence' that Russia shelled Ukraine

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OiJ_K86NQY0

Published on 29 Jul 2014


The US State Department has released satellite images via email which
it says act as “evidence” that Russia is firing rockets at Ukrainian troops
across the border. The images were posted on Twitter by the US
ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt. RT’s Gayane Chichakyan reports.

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US claims Russia fired on Ukraine, Russia calls it a lie

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SM5_LQdAdOk

Published on 28 Jul 2014


The US released Sunday what government officials claim are satellite photos
proving Russia fired artillery into Ukraine. Four images attributed to the Director of
National Intelligence show what are purported to be artillery launchers and ground
scarring, but the locations and other details are not included. RT’s Meghan Lopez
reports from the State Department with more details.

[Cidersomerset]

looking around the world and things seem to be ramping up for something ??

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US wants WWIII because its big banks are insolvent: Henderson

Tuesday 29th July 2014 at 05:55 By david-icke



No, the US wants World War 3 because it is controlled by the Rothschilds who want a third war as
part of the plan for total global control.





‘An American author and columnist says the United States wants to start a third world war because
most of its big banks are insolvent.

Dean Henderson with the Veterans Today made the remarks in a phone interview with Press TV on
Monday as he commented on recent remarks made by White House Deputy National Security Advisor
for Strategic Communications Ben Rhodes who said “stronger” European sanctions “are on the
table” against Russia.

Short vid on link.....http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07...ks-want-wwiii/


“That is just more aggression from the United States and from Anglo-Israeli-US bankers alliance
which seems to be just trying every angle to provoke Russians to the World War III because all
the big banks are insolvent,” Henderson told Press TV.’

Read more: US wants WWIII because its big banks are insolvent: Henderson



http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07...ks-want-wwiii/


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The Lessons of World War I: The 100th Anniversary of the Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand

new Tuesday 29th July 2014 at 06:19 By david-icke





‘June 28, 2014 is the 100th anniversary of the famous political assassination in Sarajevo, Serbia, that
was the spark that started World War I, the war that was widely called “the war to end all wars”,
because of the unendurable mutual mass slaughter of an entire generation of young European men
(on all sides of the war).

On June 28, 1914, the heir to the throne of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Archduke Franz Ferdinand,
one of the wealthiest men in Austria, was murdered in Sarajevo.’

Read more: The Lessons of World War I: The 100th Anniversary of the Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand


http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-les...dinand/5388551

[Hervé]

Posted by onawah (here)
Flight MH17: What You're Not Being Told
From Forbidden Knowledge
[...]

Hi, onawah,

glad you caught that one as very important; I agree: see post # 761

[Cidersomerset]

U.S. General Says Pentagon Looking At Possible Military Options For Russia

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=h1bk1bhBYio

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'EXERSIZE' .........."Alarm bells anyone" ?




UK to send ‘full military battle group’ to Poland to show strength of the West

new Tuesday 29th July 2014 at 10:06 By david-icke








‘The UK will send a full battle group comprising 1,350 personnel and more than 350 armoured and other
vehicles to the exercise in Poland as part of a NATO package to reassure Eastern European allies, the
Defence Secretary announced today.

During a joint visit to Warsaw with Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond, Michael Fallon announced the
UK will take part in Exercise Black Eagle in October – the largest British commitment to the region since 2008.

This new commitment is one of a planned series of NATO manoeuvres due to take place throughout
the Autumn in support of allies in Eastern Europe and the Baltic states.’

Read more: UK to send 'full military battle group' to Poland to show strength of the West

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/492...iance-strength

[Cidersomerset]

Surface to air missile attack ruled out as calibre of cockpit bullet holes puts Ukraine pilots in the frame for MH17 murders




New MH 17 Sensation: German experts point finger at Ukrainian air-force jets

new Tuesday 29th July 2014 at 10:32 By david-icke





‘The misfortune of the Malaysian MH 017 is known to all. The flight recorder is in England and is being
evaluated. What can come of this?

May be more than you want to accept….if you look at the image of Cockpit-Fragments, this picture is
certainly shocking. Entry And Exit holes from bullets in the area of the Cockpit. This is not speculation,
but analysis of clear facts: the cockpit shows clear evidence of bullet holes. You can see the entry holes
and some exit points. The edges of the bullet holes are bent inwards, these are much smaller and round
in shape. A 30mm calibre. The exit holes are less well formed and the edges are torn outwards.

Furthermore it is visible that the exit holes have torn the double aluminium skin and bent them outwards.
That is to say, splinters from inside the cockpit blew through the outside of the cabin. The open rivets
have also been bent outwards….There is only one conclusion one can make, and that is that this: the
aircraft was not hit by a missile. The damage to the aircraft is exclusively in the cockpit area….’

Read more: New MH 17 Sensation: German experts point finger at Ukrainian air-force jets

http://investmentwatchblog.com/new-m...ir-force-jets/