Manipulation of the "New Age" Movement

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
True, negative ETs could come up with something cobbled together from various philosophies they've encountered (that they don't believe in). But I do not see the utility of disseminating teachings that completely undermines everything they are trying to do on this planet.

The idea would be to control all facets of ET information. This is a goal of the US government. To create the beliefs of densities it does a lot. For example if it is untrue, and an ET ever contacts a person and that person asks them which density are you, they are presented with a problem. They can't exactly go around breaking paradigms. From what I have observed they have to tread lightly very frequently. So they either have to give that person a metaphor of how the universe is actually set up, broken down into various densities. Or they have to break the programming and give that person a different view. Breaking programming TPTB have gone to lengths to set up is something that ETs can barely ever do from what I have witnessed.

Also through the law of one material all sorts of new age beliefs stem from. It's an influential set of documents. I often have wondered to myself where the advanced channeling stuff is(whether ET or US gov advanced). I know the US government can do better than the galactic federation of light.. I guess I may have found it with law of one materials. But it is also quite possible it was a collaboration between ETs. From what I have gathered from exopolitics when one side gets to do something, the other side gets to as well. So to me Ra material (after short review of it, nothing to intense) is either:

US gov to control all facets of ET information, with certain Et ideas infused with a fabricated picture of the universe
or
Both polarities of ETs doing little bits of work they would like to get into at least the awareness of some.

I'm sure the negative ETs have gotten increasingly skilled at manipulating 'new age' movements on different worlds...

That's one way to look at it, I guess. But I think for me to accept that, I would need to ignore a large swath of Ra's teachings, that are completely in line with all of the highest and most profound spiritual teachings that have ever graced this planet, especially when it comes to the East. The Buddha, Lao Tzu, Aurobindo, and so many others would recognize Ra as a master teacher, and one of their own. But I think the Buddha would have some things to teach Ra, but that's just my opinion. And you might be surprised to find that the idea of densities corresponds quite well with the eastern cosmological teachings of the deva realms, including formless deva realms, brahma realms, the lokas, and various celestial abodes of cosmic buddhas and bodhisattvas. These are not new ideas.

The stuff about densities, polarity, historical trivia, and ET contact, even the harvest, are just window dressing to the real core of the teachings, which is detailed instructions for healing and balancing oneself mentally, physically and spiritually, how to clear energetic blockages, and generally how universal law operates in all its intricacies. These are not things that any negative being or group would want out there, nor would they even be able to come close to faking the many brilliant flashes of insight sprinkled liberally throughout the Ra books. As someone who has actually read them, I find what you're saying completely implausible.

So, I think you're off your rocker on this, Omni. Maybe you just don't enjoy feeling like your experiences and knowledge are somehow being diminished. But you do realize there are many other contactees who have no problem with the densities schema. There may be ETs out there who don't like it or don't use it, but maybe that's because they don't understand it. To give an analogy, I'm not really interested in what third density ETs think of the idea of densities, just as I'm not really interested to know what a third grader thinks of trigonometry. But we're all in a learning process here. And we all only have pieces of the puzzle. This I believe firmly, and I hope you can at least agree to that.

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Amethyst (here)

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)

Posted by Omniverse (here)
But within all that it is undetectable to our instruments? Sounds sketchy to me. Thanks for sharing your views though. As I said I could be wrong. I'm open minded about the densities but have a soft beilief that they were made up along with much of the new age movements gospel.

That's fine, and I wouldn't try to change your mind. You are on your own journey. I would just say I think we've barely scratched the surface when it comes to physics. All of our finest equipment is but children's toys, imho.

I agree. The law of one is definitely one of the better channelings from what i've seen but my theory is it is manipulation mixed with truth. It was created according to wikipedia in the 80s and 90s. well within the timeframe of the US gov having the technology to channel. Maybe someday I'll review the law of one materials and see what I agree or disagree with...

I have read up (and watched and listened) on some of the law of one material...to me, there is some deep truth in it, but it's not "the truth", to me...just part of it...and in the changelings, sure, there might not be 100 % purity in them!

Scott Mandelker is one of the spiritual teachers who I have been drawn to, the most...it's not just his teachings/leanings, but also, him himself (on a soul level, I feel something...)...I believe in him that he is for real, a good guy (mostly! hehe, I love how in some of his talks he shares some of his imperfections, and darker aspects, he seems and feels like a very honest man to me, and I trust him as a person, but I do not agree with all of his views! or other things he shares not from him at all...).

Here is one of his talks

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OBv2u-m5d2Y

Amethyst, I'm glad you mentioned Scott Mandelker, who is what I would consider a scholar of the Ra material. I enjoy his lectures he gives on his youtube channel. He has a lot of important and interesting things to say. For those interested, I would highly recommend.
https://www.youtube.com/user/TWSMandelker/videos

[Omni]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
And you might be surprised to find that the idea of densities corresponds quite well with the eastern cosmological teachings of the deva realms, including formless deva realms, brahma realms, the lokas, and various celestial abodes of cosmic buddhas and bodhisattvas. These are not new ideas.

I'm not very aware of Hindu beliefs. It is something I've been wanting to study but haven't found the time to yet. The ideas of densities just seems impractical to me. So does some force sweep through the galaxy and up densities of planets? How is ours still 3rd density, yet if we came about in the dinosaur times, we would still be stuck in 3rd density after all those years? What exactly makes a solar system go further up in density? Seems to me solar systems are all on varying degrees of development. So some galactic center force or something similar doesn't seem to be the answer to how. Or we'd see caveman planets going into 5th density and planets after many millions of years of civilizations going to 4th just barely... I also find it hard to believe they would dictate so much yet have zero scientific evidence for such...

The stuff about densities, polarity, historical trivia, and ET contact, even the harvest, are just window dressing to the real core of the teachings, which is detailed instructions for healing and balancing oneself mentally, physically and spiritually, how to clear energetic blockages, and generally how universal law operates in all its intricacies. These are not things that any negative being or group would want out there, nor would they even be able to come close to faking the many brilliant flashes of insight sprinkled liberally throughout the Ra books. As someone who has actually read them, I find what you're saying completely implausible.

Implausible that two polarities of ETs worked on such, so some of it could be wrong some of it being helpful?

So, I think you're off your rocker on this, Omni. Maybe you just don't enjoy feeling like your experiences and knowledge are somehow being diminished.

I didn't exactly enjoy you judging my contact case as 4d. But I can debate such. I know myself I'm not dealing with infantile races here...

But you do realize there are many other contactees who have no problem with the densities schema.

And how exactly do good ETs work out these people not being attacked/sabotaged? Also I have no doubt that if the US gov perpetrated such, they would be mind controlling contactees to follow such.

There may be ETs out there who don't like it or don't use it, but maybe that's because they don't understand it.

The ETs I work with know everything there is to know about science(some of them). Densities if they existed would certainly be known.

But we're all in a learning process here. And we all only have pieces of the puzzle. This I believe firmly, and I hope you can at least agree to that.

I do.

[Agape]

Posted by Omniverse (here)
I'm not very aware of Hindu beliefs. It is something I've been wanting to study but haven't found the time to yet. The ideas of densities just seems impractical to me. So does some force sweep through the galaxy and up densities of planets? How is ours still 3rd density, yet if we came about in the dinosaur times, we would still be stuck in 3rd density after all those years? What exactly makes a solar system go further up in density? Seems to me solar systems are all on varying degrees of development. So some galactic center force or something similar doesn't seem to be the answer to how. Or we'd see caveman planets going into 5th density and planets after many millions of years of civilizations going to 4th just barely...


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It has all to do with physical evolution of the Universe . If you look to old scriptures of various traditions, whether it's Vedas or the Cabalistic scriptures or Mayan cosmology or old Chinese I-Ching ideas on the creation - formation of Universe ,
you will see they describe 'layers' , realms , levels of frequency fields - not dissimilar to todays concept of quantum fields and string theory ,
in which the 'primordial ocean' of universe polarised itself , in those distinct layers also different forms of Life evolved .

There's no mention of 'Big Bang' , personally and from the memory of our own heritage we did not consider this would be plausible concept , except for 'local universes' .

The Universe expands and collapses within itself , it 'breathes' almost eternally , like a bubble among millions of other bubbles floating in much larger space .

Even if they are somewhat similar , each 'bubble of Universe' has different physical properties , there are varieties so to say .

Most of the ancient cosmological concepts recorded in various times are respondent to the religious idea and tradition they belonged and above, most are also very 'geocentric ' . They place the human density realm to the middle of everything . Naturally for the way people think to this day , I think.

In reality .. this kind of 'density' is but one of many varieties and options of time-space . It evolves depending on the Solar mass , the mass and distance of the planet , gravity particular to both , even the way they're subjected to gravity pull from others Stars and Planets ,
the frequency of light .. again, depends on the quantum of nuclear processes happening in this or that Star , and in that particular frequency of light certain 'chemical processes' are catalysed in specific way , certain bonds between elements , isotopes forming specific structure of elements allowing this sort of 'density' to occur .

Biological intelligence is something else .. we believe .. it's an information . Not only information, it's an intelligent pattern that projects to various physical fields differently and shapes them accordingly . In result , the particular form ( forms ) of life you see here are projection of the intelligence to physical environment .
If you take them 'out of this realm' , plant them on another planet, they will evolve differently .

There are many legends , truly legends .. on how physical ascension is possible on planet Earth .. to reach to higher density level .
It's only possible in two ways ... on individual level , using either natural or technical 'wormholes' , space-lifts where bigger force is utilised to lift the density that 'fell' to this structure to another one .

On global , planetary level this would be extremely hard to do in real time .. but , it is destined to happen due to the gravity pull from other stars and galaxies .
I was told personally that once the 'pull' from approaching Andromeda galaxy is strong enough to produce more effect on this Sun, especially since there's a Star with similar 'resonance' and field in the Andromeda that may produce this 'twin star effect' ,
the gravity force on planets in this solar system will be slightly lifted and physical ( and also spiritual ) evolution will be easy , painless and possible .
And that mankind will experience 'golden age' , if they happen to survive till then .

Without changes in the quantum field such a global 'leap' is not possible . Even though I strongly suspect people ( and the intelligence behind them, to be more precise ) who developed nuclear energy were hoping to 'break through' to higher density .
We all know the story.

[Natalia]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)

Posted by Amethyst (here)

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)

Posted by Omniverse (here)
But within all that it is undetectable to our instruments? Sounds sketchy to me. Thanks for sharing your views though. As I said I could be wrong. I'm open minded about the densities but have a soft beilief that they were made up along with much of the new age movements gospel.

That's fine, and I wouldn't try to change your mind. You are on your own journey. I would just say I think we've barely scratched the surface when it comes to physics. All of our finest equipment is but children's toys, imho.

I agree. The law of one is definitely one of the better channelings from what i've seen but my theory is it is manipulation mixed with truth. It was created according to wikipedia in the 80s and 90s. well within the timeframe of the US gov having the technology to channel. Maybe someday I'll review the law of one materials and see what I agree or disagree with...

I have read up (and watched and listened) on some of the law of one material...to me, there is some deep truth in it, but it's not "the truth", to me...just part of it...and in the changelings, sure, there might not be 100 % purity in them!

Scott Mandelker is one of the spiritual teachers who I have been drawn to, the most...it's not just his teachings/leanings, but also, him himself (on a soul level, I feel something...)...I believe in him that he is for real, a good guy (mostly! hehe, I love how in some of his talks he shares some of his imperfections, and darker aspects, he seems and feels like a very honest man to me, and I trust him as a person, but I do not agree with all of his views! or other things he shares not from him at all...).

Here is one of his talks

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OBv2u-m5d2Y

Amethyst, I'm glad you mentioned Scott Mandelker, who is what I would consider a scholar of the Ra material. I enjoy his lectures he gives on his youtube channel. He has a lot of important and interesting things to say. For those interested, I would highly recommend.
https://www.youtube.com/user/TWSMandelker/videos

Hi, yes, I have listened to a lot of his talks...I especially like the Wanderer stuff...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=D-tz0iDz9nk

[Natalia]

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[Maunagarjana]

Hey, Omni....I wanted to correct something I said. I think I might be mistaken in my statement about time not existing outside of third density. That was my assumption, but it seems that Ra indicates that time only ceases to exist at the point of completion, which they themselves have not yet reached. Here is a relevant quote:

16.22 There is past, present, and future in third density. In an overview such as an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present. We, ourselves, seek to learn this understanding. At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.

However, I think the experience of time is very different beyond third density. If you factor in time travel, you can see how it may get to the point where the experience of linear time becomes very flexible. However, cause and effect still exist. Past, present and future still exist. Ra indicates that, ultimately, all things are occurring in what they call "true simultaneity".

[Omni]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
Hey, Omni....I wanted to correct something I said. I think I might be mistaken in my statement about time not existing outside of third density. That was my assumption, but it seems that Ra indicates that time only ceases to exist at the point of completion, which they themselves have not yet reached. Here is a relevant quote:

16.22 There is past, present, and future in third density. In an overview such as an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present. We, ourselves, seek to learn this understanding. At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.

However, I think the experience of time is very different beyond third density. If you factor in time travel, you can see how it may get to the point where the experience of linear time becomes very flexible. However, cause and effect still exist. Past, present and future still exist. Ra indicates that, ultimately, all things are occurring in what they call "true simultaneity".

It certainly made no sense to me that time no longer existed in any event. What I've been told about the top end of the universe and development is mostly soul mate/family stuff(Love stuff for our side of things) and still actually involves incarnating. Incarnating in the most complete/evolved set of genetics available for the top end.

I once believed in beings without a body flying around the universe... But I found that to be mind control..., my belief now being that there are no beings that can send electromagnetic pulses/waves/etc, and microwaves/teleportation(telepathy) with their own minds. They all use technology for it by what I've been told and have been exemplified. How would you moderate telepathy with a being doing it with their mind??? How would that being know it's okay to listen to another mind? How would the messages be wired to each various person via natural means? All big questions, and to me the sharpest answer is it is done via technology. Just like my opinion on demonic possession, that it is done via technology and always has been.

The idea of becoming one with all is not appealing to me... I like who I am better than what I see around me typically(not saying such about avalonians). i wouldn't want to be fused with the all and lose time and myself. I feel the source is where I came from not where I am going back to, to eventually not exist anymore.. That is basically like being god's soul or something maybe, being the 'all'? No thanks. I would rather be an individual, eventually with a soul mate, and a rich history of incarnating on this planet and others and a history of helping worlds become sovereign and progress in the way of the light.

I can see how people believe Ra material though. And I'm not saying I am definitively right. Seems I'm right but I've been wrong before of course with a thought... lol. Hard to get all of them right... Not bad to question established things from time to time. I did see that someone rated this thread one star though. lol... oh well

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
Hey, Omni....I wanted to correct something I said. I think I might be mistaken in my statement about time not existing outside of third density. That was my assumption, but it seems that Ra indicates that time only ceases to exist at the point of completion, which they themselves have not yet reached. Here is a relevant quote:

16.22 There is past, present, and future in third density. In an overview such as an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present. We, ourselves, seek to learn this understanding. At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.

However, I think the experience of time is very different beyond third density. If you factor in time travel, you can see how it may get to the point where the experience of linear time becomes very flexible. However, cause and effect still exist. Past, present and future still exist. Ra indicates that, ultimately, all things are occurring in what they call "true simultaneity".

It certainly made no sense to me that time no longer existed in any event. What I've been told about the top end of the universe and development is mostly soul mate/family stuff(Love stuff for our side of things) and still actually involves incarnating. Incarnating in the most complete/evolved set of genetics available for the top end.

I once believed in beings without a body flying around the universe... But I found that to be mind control..., my belief now being that there are no beings that can send electromagnetic pulses/waves/etc, and microwaves/teleportation(telepathy) with their own minds. They all use technology for it by what I've been told and have been exemplified. How would you moderate telepathy with a being doing it with their mind??? How would that being know it's okay to listen to another mind? How would the messages be wired to each various person via natural means? All big questions, and to me the sharpest answer is it is done via technology. Just like my opinion on demonic possession, that it is done via technology and always has been.

The idea of becoming one with all is not appealing to me... I like who I am better than what I see around me typically(not saying such about avalonians). i wouldn't want to be fused with the all and lose time and myself. I feel the source is where I came from not where I am going back to, to eventually not exist anymore.. That is basically like being god's soul or something maybe, being the 'all'? No thanks. I would rather be an individual, eventually with a soul mate, and a rich history of incarnating on this planet and others and a history of helping worlds become sovereign and progress in the way of the light.

I can see how people believe Ra material though. And I'm not saying I am definitively right. Seems I'm right but I've been wrong before of course with a thought... lol. Hard to get all of them right... Not bad to question established things from time to time. I did see that someone rated this thread one star though. lol... oh well

In my way of thinking, if a race needs to use technology for telepathy, they are third density. Fourth density is *all* telepathic. No technology is necessary. There is no need for talking at all, unless it is desired for some reason. Think of it this way: it is another level of consciousness, as different from our form of consciousness as ours is from an animal like a dog or a cat. This materialistic, technological picture you are presenting is valid for third density. One thing that you might want to consider is that ETs on a particular level might not even believe higher levels exist until they get there themselves. That is why I think you may be getting a skewed view.

[Omni]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
Hey, Omni....I wanted to correct something I said. I think I might be mistaken in my statement about time not existing outside of third density. That was my assumption, but it seems that Ra indicates that time only ceases to exist at the point of completion, which they themselves have not yet reached. Here is a relevant quote:

16.22 There is past, present, and future in third density. In an overview such as an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present. We, ourselves, seek to learn this understanding. At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.

However, I think the experience of time is very different beyond third density. If you factor in time travel, you can see how it may get to the point where the experience of linear time becomes very flexible. However, cause and effect still exist. Past, present and future still exist. Ra indicates that, ultimately, all things are occurring in what they call "true simultaneity".

It certainly made no sense to me that time no longer existed in any event. What I've been told about the top end of the universe and development is mostly soul mate/family stuff(Love stuff for our side of things) and still actually involves incarnating. Incarnating in the most complete/evolved set of genetics available for the top end.

I once believed in beings without a body flying around the universe... But I found that to be mind control..., my belief now being that there are no beings that can send electromagnetic pulses/waves/etc, and microwaves/teleportation(telepathy) with their own minds. They all use technology for it by what I've been told and have been exemplified. How would you moderate telepathy with a being doing it with their mind??? How would that being know it's okay to listen to another mind? How would the messages be wired to each various person via natural means? All big questions, and to me the sharpest answer is it is done via technology. Just like my opinion on demonic possession, that it is done via technology and always has been.

The idea of becoming one with all is not appealing to me... I like who I am better than what I see around me typically(not saying such about avalonians). i wouldn't want to be fused with the all and lose time and myself. I feel the source is where I came from not where I am going back to, to eventually not exist anymore.. That is basically like being god's soul or something maybe, being the 'all'? No thanks. I would rather be an individual, eventually with a soul mate, and a rich history of incarnating on this planet and others and a history of helping worlds become sovereign and progress in the way of the light.

I can see how people believe Ra material though. And I'm not saying I am definitively right. Seems I'm right but I've been wrong before of course with a thought... lol. Hard to get all of them right... Not bad to question established things from time to time. I did see that someone rated this thread one star though. lol... oh well

In my way of thinking, if a race needs to use technology for telepathy, they are third density. Fourth density is *all* telepathic. No technology is necessary. There is no need for talking at all, unless it is desired for some reason. Think of it this way: it is another level of consciousness, as different from our form of consciousness as ours is from an animal like a dog or a cat. This materialistic, technological picture you are presenting is valid for third density. One thing that you might want to consider is that ETs on a particular level might not even believe higher levels exist until they get there themselves. That is why I think you may be getting a skewed view.

I have been shown pretty conclusively that natural telepathy would be obsolete compared to technological even if beings had that capability. I find what you say as incorrect. And wouldn't it be a means of evolution if a race did actually become telepathic? Not some density thing? You saying this shows me that the Ra material is likely infiltrated. It's the advanced manipulation. Galactic federation of light being the beginners version.

Time will debunk the Ra material IMHO.

[Maunagarjana]

Also, you already are one with all, you just do not experience it. All that exists is the Creator. Every being is but the Creator in a temporary form. The end of the journey, the point of completion, is to become the Creator, which is who you really are. This, I would wager, is what Sirdipswitch means when he says, "You are a spiritual being of the highest order." He really does mean The Highest.

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Posted by Omniverse (here)
I have been shown pretty conclusively that natural telepathy would be obsolete compared to technological even if beings had that capability. I find what you say as incorrect. And wouldn't it be a means of evolution if a race did actually become telepathic? Not some density thing? You saying this shows me that the Ra material is likely infiltrated. It's the advanced manipulation. Galactic federation of light being the beginners version.

Time will debunk the Ra material IMHO.

You seem to be under the same mistaken impression that many of these transhumanists are under who haven't realized yet that the most powerful form of technology that ever has or ever will exist is consciousness.

[Maunagarjana]

Hey, Omni....I'm curious. What do you think of the Allies of Humanity books. Do you consider them disinformation? If so, who do you think is behind it? ETs or humans? If not, why?

[Omni]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
Hey, Omni....I'm curious. What do you think of the Allies of Humanity books. Do you consider them disinformation? If so, who do you think is behind it? ETs or humans? If not, why?

I hadn't heard of it before you mentioned it. Most Contactee stuff is at least partially US government from what I've observed though. Would you sum it up for me? If you did I could give you what I think if you are actually interested in such.

I did look up a site for it. It does mention God... Which is a turn off but that wouldn't make me disapprove of the whole thing.

[Iarmhéid]

Thumbs up to Mark Passio's work and I cannot recommend enough starting from the beginning of his podcasts here

[TargeT]

Such an interesting topic... the "new age" movement seems to be completely created by the CIA with the intent to cause a regressive social movement much in the same way that Huxley wrote about in a "Brave New World".

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[Maunagarjana]

I haven't read the Allies of Humanity. I've listened to Marshall Vian Summers talk on youtube before though. What I have heard and read about it doesn't resonate with me, personally. But I'm surprised you've never heard of it.

I dig Mark Passio. I don't think he has all the answers, but I think he makes some excellent points. I heard him interviewed by George Kavassilas recently, and thought that was an interesting pairing.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=t4bwsvI9GSg

The stuff about the CIA "creating" the New Age movement, I do not find to be persuasive at all. However, I do think there is some shaping of the grassroots movements that have sprung up, and infiltration into what Susan Joy Rennison calls, "The cultic milieu". And I've already attacked Jan Irvin on this forum, so no need to beat that dead horse any longer. He's a joke.

And let me say something that I've been wanting to say on this forum for a long time. The "New Age" is not new. It's as ancient as can be. It's a fundamental part of the Mystery Religions, the cycle of the Yugas, and even Christianity....as well as many other traditions, many of them native traditions. The CIA didn't create those, did they? The shift of the ages. That is what it is about. You can find some version of this in just about every spiritual tradition known to man.

People use the term "New Age" to mean "newfangled spirituality" or like "eclectic spirituality" or whatever, but it literally refers to the coming of a New Age, a Golden Age, when the planet and humanity will be transformed. And yes, even Christianity is "New Age" because they predict the Messianic Age and the Second Coming of Christ which will give birth to the New Heavens and New Earth. It may be a different interpretation, but it's the same thing in a different package.

[Omni]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
I haven't read the Allies of Humanity. I've listened to Marshall Vian Summers talk on youtube before though. What I have heard and read about it doesn't resonate with me, personally. But I'm surprised you've never heard of it.

I dig Mark Passio. I don't think he has all the answers, but I think he makes some excellent points. I heard him interviewed by George Kavassilas recently, and thought that was an interesting pairing.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=t4bwsvI9GSg

The stuff about the CIA "creating" the New Age movement, I do not find to be persuasive at all. However, I do think there is some shaping of the grassroots movements that have sprung up, and infiltration into what Susan Joy Rennison calls, "The cultic milieu". And I've already attacked Jan Irvin on this forum, so no need to beat that dead horse any longer. He's a joke.

And let me say something that I've been wanting to say on this forum for a long time. The "New Age" is not new. It's as ancient as can be. It's a fundamental part of the Mystery Religions, the cycle of the Yugas, and even Christianity....as well as many other traditions, many of them native traditions. The CIA didn't create those, did they? The shift of the ages. That is what it is about. You can find some version of this in just about every spiritual tradition known to man.

People use the term "New Age" to mean "newfangled spirituality" or like "eclectic spirituality" or whatever, but it literally refers to the coming of a New Age, a Golden Age, when the planet and humanity will be transformed. And yes, even Christianity is "New Age" because they predict the Messianic Age and the Second Coming of Christ which will give birth to the New Heavens and New Earth. It may be a different interpretation, but it's the same thing in a different package.

No doubt many ideas seen as 'new age' are ancient. Chakras and reincarnation for example have been pretty big in people believing or considering. Both real IMO... But I think the manipulation is found in the channeling material like Ra and the like. The 'new age' material has been hijacked with psy ops. With ideas like time not existing for ascended beings, there being no defined good or bad. Mark Passio covers tons of it very well. So many false concepts have been propagated for the new age movement. We all(at avalon) want a golden age, TPTB do not very strongly. So naturally they would be wanting to infiltrate the new age movement to divide it etc.. Their normal programs.

And what they predicted was the energy amongst people to find new truths and be more progressive. Often what they find is a Psy op new religion or ET disinformation... I can be pretty certain now the Ra material is from at least partially a shady source, if it is saying all beings in 4D are all naturally telepathic and that's how they communicate. I can't covey it as it was conveyed to me by ETs why natural telepathy is impractical. But it was beyond persuasive. More like blinding light.

[Maunagarjana]

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No doubt many ideas seen as 'new age' are ancient. Chakras and reincarnation for example have been pretty big in people believing or considering. Both real IMO... But I think the manipulation is found in the channeling material like Ra and the like. The 'new age' material has been hijacked with psy ops. With ideas like time not existing for ascended beings, there being no defined good or bad. Mark Passio covers tons of it very well. So many false concepts have been propagated for the new age movement. We all(at avalon) want a golden age, TPTB do not very strongly. So naturally they would be wanting to infiltrate the new age movement to divide it etc.. Their normal programs.

Those "false concepts" can all be found in millenia old spiritual traditions. Maybe if more people here at Avalon pulled themselves away from their conspiracy gossip for a minute and immersed themselves instead into the wisdom of the ancients, they would see through these silly misconceptions. But so much of what constitutes beliefs of New Agers comes from psychics, ET contactees and past life regression.

And what they predicted was the energy amongst people to find new truths and be more progressive. Often what they find is a Psy op new religion or ET disinformation... I can be pretty certain now the Ra material is from at least partially a shady source, if it is saying all beings in 4D are all naturally telepathic and that's how they communicate. I can't covey it as it was conveyed to me by ETs why natural telepathy is impractical. But it was beyond persuasive. More like blinding light.

I'm sure the ETs who are naturally telepathic would find that very amusing. You do realize that there are human beings living on Earth that experience telepathy with no assistance from technology, right? There are these people out there called psychics. Might want to look into it.

[Omni]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
I'm sure the ETs who are naturally telepathic would find that very amusing. You do realize that there are human beings living on Earth that experience telepathy with no assistance from technology, right? There are these people out there called psychics. Might want to look into it.

It seems you are assuming that technology is not behind psychics? Such is debatable IMHO.

And being an intuitive is much different than full concepts and words being spoken in one's mind from another being's mind, with a full conscious energy of that being in the words.

As I understand it there are no beings that can speak into another being's mind with their own thoughts without technological assistance. I'm sure that when ETs use technology to speak into other being's minds, it becomes a misconception that they can do it with their minds. It is technology.

Covering some of the reasons I find it impractical... So would we evolve into suddenly reading each others minds? This could end so many relationships it's not even funny. Not every thought is meant to be shared.
Also, how would you route to the right people? I can give what I'd expect the US government to say to one of their contactees of such that "It's interconnectedness of everything". I do not discount the interconectedness of everything, but basically you could potentially be intruding on another being when you send them a thought. And how could you know that others are not sending someone a thought to that person at the same time. This would result in some people receiving an overload of thoughts. It's all impractical. The answer is, it is all technological, and AI is what moderates it. For example by asking if you want to talk to someone rather than them just piercing into your mind by thinking of you....

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
I'm sure the ETs who are naturally telepathic would find that very amusing. You do realize that there are human beings living on Earth that experience telepathy with no assistance from technology, right? There are these people out there called psychics. Might want to look into it.

It seems you are assuming that technology is not behind psychics? Such is debatable IMHO.

It can't be ruled out in some cases, sure. But for anyone to posit that all forms of psychic mind to mind communication is technologically based severely strains credulity for me.

And being an intuitive is much different than full concepts and words being spoken in one's mind from another being's mind, with a full conscious energy of that being in the words.

An intuitive is just one type of psychic. I don't know how much investigating into the paranormal you have done, or many psychics you have talked to, but there is a whole range of psychic abilities, some of which include direct mind to mind communication. And it not only applies to so-called psychics, but spiritual adepts as well (like yogis, meditation masters.) I have a friend who has traveled around India, Bhutan, and Tibet who is a Tibetan Buddhist, and he said when you get around these very high lamas, that telepathy is very common. So common that it's hardly remarked upon. That is because they have accessed more of their greater being and have seen through the illusion of separation.

But when it comes to ETs, we must consider the possibility that many of them have very advanced natural telepathic abilities that are simply amplified or somehow interfacing with technology we can't even imagine.

As I understand it there are no beings that can speak into another being's mind with their own thoughts without technological assistance. I'm sure that when ETs use technology to speak into other being's minds, it becomes a misconception that they can do it with their minds. It is technology.

Well, all I can say is ask psychics what they think, and why. I'm sure there are some here on this group who could give you some good answers.

Covering some of the reasons I find it impractical... So would we evolve into suddenly reading each others minds?

Not necessarily. The transition from 3rd to 4th density I would not consider to be a function of Darwinian evolution through natural selection. As I've said, it's hard to talk about this with you if you refuse to read the explanation of the transition as given by Ra. It's like trying to discuss evolution with a Young Earth Creationist who refuses to read Darwin or Dawkins.

This could end so many relationships it's not even funny. Not every thought is meant to be shared.

Or allow access to intimacy beyond what we can experience. In such a relationship, there is no miscommunication. After the initial period of turbulence involved in adjusting to it, what would follow would likely be very harmonious.

Also, how would you route to the right people?

My guess would be focused intent. You think of the person, and voila. Or you could probably broadcast too. I don't know.

I can give what I'd expect the US government to say to one of their contactees of such that "It's interconnectedness of everything". I do not discount the interconectedness of everything, but basically you could potentially be intruding on another being when you send them a thought.

They do not have to accept it or respond to it just because you send it. Just as I don't have to reply to every text message I receive.

And how could you know that others are not sending someone a thought to that person at the same time. This would result in some people receiving an overload of thoughts.

My impression of fourth density life is that it is full of just this sort of multitasking, but that it's not an overload or a burden. Because their minds are fuctioning in a fundamentally different way. It wouldn't surprise me if they could hold ten different discrete conversations at the same time with the conscious mind, all the while being out of body doing something else entirely. But that is just my vision of it. Maybe I just have a bit more imagination than you do when it comes to this topic.

It's all impractical. The answer is, it is all technological, and AI is what moderates it. For example by asking if you want to talk to someone rather than them just piercing into your mind by thinking of you....

Okay, you interpret everything technologically, so be it. I suppose if your contacts are atheist, materialist, transhumanists who have no knowledge of metaphysics, then that would be the impression you would get. But I wouldn't trust them.