You create your experience

[Finefeather]

Posted by Sidney (here)
but there ARE forces that are playing against (some) peoples free will.

Yes...ONLY if we do not have the knowledge and awareness of the nature of life and what it can be like if we are blind and inexperienced...when you live in the jungle you must know that there are things out there who want to eat you

[Jake]

Let's not forget that through manipulation and deceit,, one can get SOMEBODY ELSE to create THEIR reality... Just because they don't know that they are being manipulated,,, doesn't mean that they aren't. Amazing creator beings, fooled into thinking that they are just smart monkeys,, creating what they are told to create!!!

Jake.

[Daughter of Time]

While I appreciate what the OP is telling us, I cannot agree!

Lead me to a way to free myself of all the programmings, manipulations, brain washings, traumas, conditionings, etc., etc., etc., that I've received in this lifetime and others, and then you can tell me that I'm experiencing what I'm creating myself, on my own, of my own free will!

Until then, I may be part co-creator, but definitely not full creator of my own reality!

[Finefeather]

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
While I appreciate what the OP is telling us, I cannot agree!

Lead me to a way to free myself of all the programmings, manipulations, brain washings, traumas, conditionings, etc., etc., etc., that I've received in this lifetime and others, and then you can tell me that I'm experiencing what I'm creating myself, on my own, of my own free will!

Until then, I may be part co-creator, but definitely not full creator of my own reality!

Because you do not see the reason, and your part in the 'tough' life you think you are having, does not mean you are not responsible...it may just mean you don't want to believe it...or don't want to admit it.
Only we, individually, can see the truth, if we let the truth of the matter rise into our consciousness...but alas, not many of us can see the bigger picture of our past actions and how our current life fits into this picture...so all we can do is claim innocence and "not my fault".

You will just have to wait till you die before you get the whole picture...I guess

Love to you
Ray

[Jake]

I am fascinated by this subject... (to say the least, lol) Of course we create our own realities. Please allow me to refer to a couple of parables. (probably not the kind of proof that we are looking for,, but)...

Consider the following short parable. To me, it reflects the ability of a single being to manipulate the reality of others,,, while the others have no idea that they are creating a reality that is NOT their own..

Once there was a very rich magician who had a great many sheep. But at the same time this magician was very mean. He did not want to hire shepherds, nor did he want to erect a fence about the pasture where his sheep were grazing. The sheep consequently often wandered into the forest, fell into ravines, and so on, and above all they ran away, for they knew that the magician wanted their flesh and skins and this they did not like.

At last the magician found a remedy. He HYPNOTIZEd his sheep and suggested to them first of all that they were immortal and that no harm was being done to them when they were skinned, that, on the contrary, it would be very good for them and even pleasant; secondly, he suggested that the magician was a GOOD MASTER who loved his flock so much that he was ready to do anything in the world for them; and in the third place, he suggested to them that if anything at all were going to happen to them it was not going to happen just then, at any rate not that day, and therefore they had no need to think about it. Further, the magician suggested to his sheep that they were not sheep at all; to some of them he suggested that they were lions, to others that they were eagles, to others that they were men, and to others that they were magicians.

And after this all his cares and worries about the sheep came to an end. They never ran away again but quietly awaited the time when the magician would require their flesh and their skins.

Now consider this parable.. To me, it reflects how we create, and recreate reality at the heart level.. Manifestation of the physical, is secondary.. Also, this parable reflects how easily 'reality' is misunderstood, based on what we, ourselves have blinded ourselves from... (The eyes are not just receivers, they are also projectors,,, Jim Carrey.)

From Illusions, by Richard Bach...
Once there lived a village of creatures along the bottom of a great crystal river. The current of the river swept silently over them all -- young and old, rich and poor, good and evil -- the current going its own way, knowing only its own crystal self.
Each creature in its own manner clung tightly to the twigs and rocks of the river bottom, for clinging was their way of life, and resisting the current was what each had learned from birth.

But one creature said at last, "I am tired of clinging. Though I cannot see it with my eyes, I trust that the current knows where it is going. I shall let go, and let it take me where it will. Clinging, I shall die of boredom."

The other creatures laughed and said, "Fool! Let go, and that current you worship will throw you tumbled and smashed against the rocks, and you will die quicker than boredom!"

But the one heeded them not, and taking a breath did let go, and at once was tumbled and smashed by the current across the rocks.

Yet in time, as the creature refused to cling again, the current lifted him free from the bottom, and he was bruised and hurt no more.

And the creatures downstream, to whom he was a stranger, cried, "See a miracle! A creature like ourselves, yet he flies! See the messiah, come to save us all!"

And the one carried in the current said, "I am no more messiah than you. The river delights to lift us free, if only we dare let go. Our true work is this voyage, this adventure."

But they cried the more, "Savior!" all the while clinging to the rocks, and when they looked again he was gone, and they were left alone making legends of a savior.

Just some food for thought.
Love to all
Jake.

[Delight]

Posted by EmEx (here)

Posted by Delight (here)
So for instance one can find truth in a lie and a lie in truth depending on many factors?
I KNOW that there are aspects of the idea that do not seem to make sense.

Then discard the info that does not resonate or look at it from a perspective that makes sense to you. (Bashar's advice)
I read your post 3 times but not sure what you are saying.

OK, just to try to communicate more clearly.

example...the OP is "you create your experience". It looks like I do create. I see a different context now for me than earlier. I am NOT creating a meaning as I once experienced it. The trajectory may be that as I am "aging", I am seeing that the reality offered is a series of programs toward death?
Like retirement, like disability and illness pending.

My experience is that I do see these as un-necessary if i stop giving meaning to the "normal" program. But I am also rather "bored" by the old interests so what does this "life" mean to me?

Before:
Belief in a direction
Focus on the "desired reality"
create the moves toward a realization of "success"
SUCCESS happens (despite life issues and struggle)

Now
Disillusionment about the value of what was once meaningful
have stuff, do things, relationships, all this becomes less meaningful
Having these "creations" is seeming not "success"
The "desired reality" is questioned

What now?
That is why I ask if other people have some sense of lost purpose?
If no amount of "creating" seems relevant but I am still not seeking death, it feels like a weird place.
Is a NEW Plan unknown so that is whay it seems so "zero".
Is this cooperating in "rebirth"? that happens without dying?
Seeing a null zone in the "hallway" What am I "creating?"

So then the dependence on trust in a larger context is necessary and the idea that maybe this trust "is the purpose"???
Maybe this is just me but hope this communicates more clearly?

[Finefeather]

Posted by Jake (here)
it reflects the ability of a single being to manipulate the reality of others,,, while the others have no idea that they are creating a reality that is NOT their own..

Hi Jake
I agree with this idea...it happens all around us...even parents are doing it to their children...but the prime cause of this is ignorance...and the prime cause of ignorance is a lack of knowledge and personal experience of life...even after 1000s of incarnations.

I cannot help noticing how, mostly, people think they are so 'un foolable' when in fact we are far from the highly intelligent being we thing or claim to be...we are still babies, and easily manipulated...unfortunately our ego's are still just a tad still in total command...but this is 'normal' for our state of consciousness, and in another few 100 incarnations or so, we will begin to realise a little more about who we are and what we're doing here...and probably look back, and smile, at how stupid we were, and how great we thought we were, and how easily we were manipulated by the dark forces, back then...just like we are doing to those who lived on earth way back in the old old days...and guess what...those stupid people were us

With Love
Ray

[donk]

Sure, maybe a 1000 years from now, when we ascend to a greater awareness (less ignorance) of our existence, no longer able to be manipulated by “dark forces”, this may be a practical train of thought….but the level I exist on now, to me, Bashar and Lester cross the line of just taking your OWN personal responsibility to what I almost perceive as almost an arrogance.

I experience a reality with beings and existence outside of what I consider myself to be (whether nothing exists outside of you in your reality or not). Whether I created this reality subconsciously is irrelevant and mostly impractical to me, even if you are correct and I am lying to myself that this external “exists”.

I used to try to understand what I consider my smartest friend understood when he knows there is NO free will…that is his reality. I have considered it, thought deeply on it, examined any emotions tied to the idea, and decided, sure—maybe he is right, it may be true it is only the illusion of free will. That’s real enough to me.

Same with this. Maybe everything outside of myself is some illusion or projection or a lie to myself. That’s fine, but it feels real enough to me that it doesn’t make any difference, it is not useful in shaping my behavior.

I take responsibility for the things that feel like free will to me. Maybe that is what you are saying. But I would personally never limit my reality to that being All That Is, which is what I fel like Lester and Bashar do.

[Delight]

Posted by donk (here)
I take responsibility for the things that feel like free will to me. Maybe that is what you are saying. But I would personally never limit my reality to that being All That Is, which is what I fel like Lester and Bashar do.

There is definitely something that we know to be our own "reality". but what is so interesting and also known is that when one changes one's perception, as for instance with the other "people", everything changes.

The example was given by Mu2143

live a simple life and only look for what you need and if some one needs help that you help them
if you can even if it was by giving some one money for
food when you just had enough to buy for your self that day.

I know that when I have ever let go of worry about my own needs and given freely from a place knowing that there is always enough, there is always enough. There is a tendency to "grasp" out of reluctance in case we "need" something. It can well be proved that when expected that there is not enough, there is never enough in my experience. This is always proved false if I ignore The fear. So, how can this be true if we are not at least connected to "All That IS"??

[donk]

I didn't say I wasn't conneted, I didn't even mean to imply that I was not part of All That Is...the thing that bothers with this (what appears to me to be) near-solopsism is saying that there is nothing outside of me.

I am not saying it is not true, like i would never say that it is true that free will exists...I am just saying that I live in the at-least-an-illusion-of an existence that is greater than me that others (that are not me and therefore EXTERNAL or outside of me) can effect, with at-least-the-illusion-of free will, a self that can effect it (admittedly the less ignorance about it, the MORE i can effect it).

[donk]

If a tree dramatically misemphasizes a syll-AB-le
Channeled by Bashar
In the reality that I created
Which YOU do not exist outside of
Does the forest exist?

[Finefeather]

Posted by donk (here)
i would never say that it is true that free will exists...

Free will does exist...it is just that we seem to have the wrong idea about what free will is...

The idea that having free will gives us complete freedom to act as one wishes is just not correct in my experience...
Free will still lives inside the laws of life...which says that each have free will...provided it does not impinge on the free will of another...

If we live by this then freedom is attained...because everyone is considered.

[rgray222]

To have a happy life is to live without fear. Human beings are primarily motivated by two underlying emotions, love and fear. These two extremes influence every aspect of our lives. Fear is situated at one end of the spectrum while love is at the other end. On an economic and societal scale we can see that entire industries are dedicated to and thrive on fear.

Wisdom teaches us to release fear,one who lives life through tenderness and kindness needs no approval from any man or society. External forces are pulling us in the the direction of fear and internal forces are pulling us in direction of love and kindness that it why we need to be centered, balanced in the middle. It allows us to understand fear but live our lives with compassion and love.

It is so important that we step back and learn from our experiences and our conditioning. It is critical to stop all the chatter around and evaluate what has transpired and what we are going to do with that information. It is the only way to create the next experience in your life that is meaningful and moves your soul forward.

[Jake]

Interesting that the concepts of 'free will' and 'creation' seem to be inseparable. That makes me smile and grin with great joy..

Free will and creation are only limited by our capacity to engage them, and our limited understanding of the Universe.. Tom Campbell (for one) has explained it brilliantly..

We have free will up to a point,, and that point is 'everything that we know'. Within those limits, we are all forced to make our choices. Yet 'everything that we know' is clearly very limited, so our concepts of 'free will' are not quite accurate. IMHO... I have always considered 'creation' and 'experience' the same thing. These things (everything we know, creation, experience) are all that we have to use to make our free will decisions, and to project our futures...

We have to take responsibility for our own souls... If our EVERY THOUGHT does not start there,,, then what is being created, and what will manifest,, may not be (to our knowledge) what we asked for...

Love to all
Jake.

[Rich]

Accept Reality as a reflection of you.
You're not a victim in any way, shape or form, on any level whatsoever.
Unless you decide that's the game you want to play, and if you do,
it will be allowed, because you are always supported in everything
you decide is true. ~Bashar

[Sidney]

Tell that to the millions of children who have been raped over the years, many even in infancy. They did not create that reality, I am sorry but there IS such thing as being victim. That is a reality.

[Omni]

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
While I appreciate what the OP is telling us, I cannot agree!

Lead me to a way to free myself of all the programmings, manipulations, brain washings, traumas, conditionings, etc., etc., etc., that I've received in this lifetime and others, and then you can tell me that I'm experiencing what I'm creating myself, on my own, of my own free will!

Until then, I may be part co-creator, but definitely not full creator of my own reality!

The problem is, people who believe this philosophy have never had an external force in their lives to the degree others(like you and I) have. Is it really me creating my reality when an electric signal forces me to puke, as they have done to me countless times? How about when I lay down to sleep and I have synthetic pain signals flowing in severe fashions. Or when my mind is being controlled in ways that I cannot stop. Or when I'm talking to someone and they delete my train of thought or totally take control of my speech while I sit there and listen to them control what comes out of me, as a complete observer... I find bashars take on this ridiculous personally.

It is very easy to see bashars take as reality when you are not adversely affected by a group perpetrating injustices to you, beyond your control, and absolutely impossible to stop beyond becoming complicit, or being fed an illusion meant to propagate disinfo as to how to stop it. I personally think Bashar is manipulated. I found proof of this when bashar said the vibration of his channeler show him it is not deceptive.. And that to channel someone you have to be similar to them.... This is extremely naive on his part. Any vibration or frequency can be put into the mind via technology while conversing telepathically(or channeling). Essentially there is no 100% verification for any being speaking to you telepathically. Essentially every energy is on the table when it comes to technology. I do know for sure Bashar has naivety when it comes to how channeling works... I highly doubt the thought of it being technological ever crossed his mind. I do respect him. I believe he is a pretty grounded and wise person... But that said I believe he is a US government asset if I had to guess(one of their finest!).

Posted by Sidney (here)
Tell that to the billions of children who have been raped over the years, many even in infancy. They did not create that reality, I am sorry but there IS such thing as being victim. That is a reality.

The children who get raped vibration's isn't high enough to transcend into a timeline where they do not get raped! *rolleyes*(I dont roll my eyes IRL but on the net i find a use for the premise)

I totally agree with you sidney.

[Rich]

Oh, dear this was not my intention at all.
I am not saying that your ego is an all powerful creator, but that which you really are, the Beingness/Higher Self/God.
Reality is in your consciousness this video explains it:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5LLq96yzONo

[Rich]

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
Lead me to a way to free myself of all the programmings, manipulations, brain washings, traumas, conditionings, etc., etc., etc., that I've received in this lifetime and others,

Dear DoT,
there are many that tell you how to do this, what teachers do you feel drawn to?
It is still you that has to Do the work.

[citsym]

Posted by EmEx (here)
Every single individual on this planet is already powerful as he or she needs to be to create any reality desired,
without having to hurt yourself or anyone else to get it. That's how powerful you are. ~Bashar

Mmmm, I have this fleeting feeling from time to time that this is exactly how it is. Just for brief moments I feel as if I can create my own world ... trouble is the feeling is only just there, but not yet substantial enough to "know" it. It’s like trying to remember something, but not quite grasping the whole picture!